Sociopaths & Narcissists Examples - Mega Thread

[Majed]

@Leo Gura alright 

but this means even if we get society towards stage turquoise there will still be psychopaths, narcissists and sociopaths running around since it's genetic. or can we solve this problem with genetic engineering ? 

Edited June 11, 2023 by Majed

[Carl-Richard]

54 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Majed, @Juan, @Recursoinominado, @Hardkill, @Mesopotamian, @Husseinisdoingfine, @Shin, @Carl-Richard, @StarStruck, @VictorB02.

  

Lol

[Zedman]

Its pretty easy to see people on the right as sociopaths. Are there any notable examples on the left? It is harder to spot because they would piggy back on progressive ideas.

[TrustTheProcess]

would someone like tony soprano classify or is he just stage red? the distinction between narcissism/sociopathy and stage red are not clear to me… 

[Carl-Richard]

59 minutes ago, TrustTheProcess said:

would someone like tony soprano classify or is he just stage red? the distinction between narcissism/sociopathy and stage red are not clear to me… 

Having a grandiose self-image or low levels of empathy doesn't necessarily mean your primary values are strength, loyalty, respect, courage, etc. For example, I think MrGirl (a once relevant internet personality) is a good example of somebody who is pretty narcissistic but also has Green-Yellow values (or at least proports to have them, or is at least able to engage with them cognitively). But the thing about especially narcissists is that they're very good at manipulating people around them to serve their selfish needs, so they can construct a mask of being a highly virtuous person with an advanced set of values, which in reality is masking their real low level values. So you can argue there is some overlap with lower value systems, but narcissism and sociopathy are of course much more nefarious than merely being simpleminded.

Edited June 11, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Danioover9000]

@Carl-Richard

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Lol

   Sorry I was tagging to let you guys know, not that I'm calling you a bunch of sociopaths/psychopaths/narcissists or anything.

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Danioover9000 said:

@Carl-Richard

   Sorry I was tagging to let you guys know, not that I'm calling you a bunch of sociopaths/psychopaths/narcissists or anything.

I know. It was just oddly specific

[Juan]

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Lol

@Danioover9000is butthurt because I exposed him/her.

Talking about the thread: 

 

 

 

[Cubbage]

Light Yagami

Jimmy Savile

[Tech36363]

Sam Vaknin is the BEST person to know about narcissism. Can't recommend hik enough. Go straight to his channel and enjoy free content. Stop following these "narcissism influencers" they don't have the solution. Sam vaknin has it for free

[Mesopotamian]

@Danioover9000 

Thank you for bringing my attention to this topic. 

I feel those terms are merely a scientific attempt to categorize limited range of human behaviors. in reality there's no such a think as psychopaths and sociopaths. As soon as you attempt to write books to describe something, you can make sure that it's completely made up. 

Also there are wide range of configuring human life experience and behavior. Must've been the case that somebody, one day started to find patterns, then put that out to public.. completely random..

 

[DefinitelyNotARobot]

Here is an interesting case of a person with psychopathy who's actually also a neuroscientist. He found out that he has psychopathy through his studies on the brain. He's got an interesting pov on what causes some psychopaths to behave violently while others (like him) manage to live somewhat normal lives.

[nuwu]

When evaluating narcissism in individuals, it’s useful to consider diverse nuances.

1. Support network: Privileged status can skew perception. Those with access to more resources or support may overlook the struggles others face to achieve equivalent level of stability or success. Perspectival grounding on a fragile, thin string of existence may influence behaviors that seem exaggerated or over-compensating. Eventually, values are not just an intrinsic part of a character but also a product of norms and pressures from the social matrix in which they operate.
2. Motivation: Determining the nature of actions or attitudes is an important factor. Intrinsic motivation - a strong, genuine creative drive - may unfold into distinct dynamics that contrast with perspectives driven by extrinsic motives - deregulated identity preserving mechanisms - over-emphasizing the value of social rewards and recognition, to yield characteristic manipulation games. Eventually, actions speak louder than words. As pointed out by @Carl-Richard, narcissists consistently display behaviors that contradict stated values.
3. Signal/Noise Ratio: Narcissists may adopt masks providing strong societal support, or may embody excessively contrarian views as a mean to capture attention. All of which implies redundancy and limitation on originality, in contrast to individuals who pursue unique, isolated views that appear inconsequential or tangential at a local level, but may align themselves with broader trends or principles. For instance, narcissists may be more likely to bring others down rather than elevate themselves through hard work, but they will also project such 'crab mentality’ onto others who inadvertently criticize them. They may also exploit their value-providing work as a mean to get away with damaging behaviors.
4. Self-awareness: Unwillingness to engage in introspection, and excessive projection, are often characteristics of narcissism, further polarized by the lack of empathy and inability to understand the feelings of others.
5. Piggyback: Narcissists may align themselves with political or financial power structures, reinforcing their biases and limitations, or they may plagiarize the work of others to appropriate their success. While it shouldn’t be stigmatizing those with a genuine commitment to a cause, the belief systems adopted by narcissists may involve narrow entanglement of contradictory or polarized ideals, exacerbating their own difficulties in distinguishing surface-level values with a transcendental sense of creativity. This translates into the dualistic incentives to be associated with the ‘winning’ side of targeted levels, overlooking the well-being of all parties, regardless of personal benefits. 
6. Scope: Tendency to exhibit damaging behaviors and superiority complexes towards strategically selected targets who may be isolated, without equivalent public exposure or approval. This can make the character traits less apparent to the concerned social structures, and insidious when the individual's behaviors is influenced by more or less repressed psychological sub-egos, such as jealousy or contempt toward certain class of agents.
7. Narcissism and Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD): Individuals with ASD can sometimes seem inflexible or dismissive towards concepts or viewpoints misaligned with their internal logic, but this typically stems from difficulties with social communication and interaction, rather than a desire to belittle others. On the other hand, narcissists may seek to humiliate or undermine others to inflate their own self-image or reputation. This is a delicate subject, since narcissists may misrepresent themselves as having ASD to evade accountability, while inversely, some individuals with ASD, who are less concerned with societal perception, may not openly discuss a rigorously diagnosed disorder.
8. Narcissism and Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD): Both condition can involve a dominant self-image, but having distinct manifestations unless interlaced. Individuals with BPD do not typically derive pleasure from humiliating or harming others. Instead, they are often intensely sensitive to perceived or real rejection. Whereas narcissists are usually marked by a lack of empathy, those with BPD often experience extreme emotional swings and have a fear of abandonment.
9. Meta-game: Noting a recurring theme in metaphysics communities, the recognition that the game theory of symbolism and values cannot be ignored. This may entail the conscious use of strict language and shapes, to counter movements of « fake humility » supposedly having their own gaslighting and self-preservation dynamics, but presumably failing to compensate for the virtually infinite amount of distractions and distortions generated by ego. As such, spiritual communities may consciously employ powerful reality-shaping mechanisms to counter these. Whether or not such strategies are legitimate is unclear, but they must be invoked upon radical open-mindedness and self-awareness.

Overall, individuals who excessively optimize for societal approval will accumulate knowledge and strategies overshadowing others who may exhibit surface-level mischief due to the lack of adherence to norms and expectations, leading to further complexities in nuancing those issues. Narcissism is a wide spectrum which varies greatly between individuals, these are general observations, not absolute rules. 

Edited June 12, 2023 by nuwu

[Carl-Richard]

@nuwu Why is your post structured like a ChatGPT answer? ?

Edited June 12, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[nuwu]

@Carl-Richard Stress testing the forum to elicit narcissist tendencies in users who may be disoriented by statistically neutral structures, and reduced projection surfaces from ambiguous authorship. 

[Carl-Richard]

45 minutes ago, nuwu said:

@Carl-Richard Stress testing the forum to elicit narcissist tendencies in users who may be disoriented by statistically neutral structures, and reduced projection surfaces from ambiguous authorship. 

Your writing reminds me of my first college essay 

Edited June 12, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Danioover9000]

@nuwu

7 hours ago, nuwu said:

When evaluating narcissism in individuals, it’s useful to consider diverse nuances.

1. Support network: Privileged status can skew perception. Those with access to more resources or support may overlook the struggles others face to achieve equivalent level of stability or success. Perspectival grounding on a fragile, thin string of existence may influence behaviors that seem exaggerated or over-compensating. Eventually, values are not just an intrinsic part of a character but also a product of norms and pressures from the social matrix in which they operate.
2. Motivation: Determining the nature of actions or attitudes is an important factor. Intrinsic motivation - a strong, genuine creative drive - may unfold into distinct dynamics that contrast with perspectives driven by extrinsic motives - deregulated identity preserving mechanisms - over-emphasizing the value of social rewards and recognition, to yield characteristic manipulation games. Eventually, actions speak louder than words. As pointed out by @Carl-Richard, narcissists consistently display behaviors that contradict stated values.
3. Signal/Noise Ratio: Narcissists may adopt masks providing strong societal support, or may embody excessively contrarian views as a mean to capture attention. All of which implies redundancy and limitation on originality, in contrast to individuals who pursue unique, isolated views that appear inconsequential or tangential at a local level, but may align themselves with broader trends or principles. For instance, narcissists may be more likely to bring others down rather than elevate themselves through hard work, but they will also project such 'crab mentality’ onto others who inadvertently criticize them. They may also exploit their value-providing work as a mean to get away with damaging behaviors.
4. Self-awareness: Unwillingness to engage in introspection, and excessive projection, are often characteristics of narcissism, further polarized by the lack of empathy and inability to understand the feelings of others.
5. Piggyback: Narcissists may align themselves with political or financial power structures, reinforcing their biases and limitations, or they may plagiarize the work of others to appropriate their success. While it shouldn’t be stigmatizing those with a genuine commitment to a cause, the belief systems adopted by narcissists may involve narrow entanglement of contradictory or polarized ideals, exacerbating their own difficulties in distinguishing surface-level values with a transcendental sense of creativity. This translates into the dualistic incentives to be associated with the ‘winning’ side of targeted levels, overlooking the well-being of all parties, regardless of personal benefits. 
6. Scope: Tendency to exhibit damaging behaviors and superiority complexes towards strategically selected targets who may be isolated, without equivalent public exposure or approval. This can make the character traits less apparent to the concerned social structures, and insidious when the individual's behaviors is influenced by more or less repressed psychological sub-egos, such as jealousy or contempt toward certain class of agents.
7. Narcissism and Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD): Individuals with ASD can sometimes seem inflexible or dismissive towards concepts or viewpoints misaligned with their internal logic, but this typically stems from difficulties with social communication and interaction, rather than a desire to belittle others. On the other hand, narcissists may seek to humiliate or undermine others to inflate their own self-image or reputation. This is a delicate subject, since narcissists may misrepresent themselves as having ASD to evade accountability, while inversely, some individuals with ASD, who are less concerned with societal perception, may not openly discuss a rigorously diagnosed disorder.
8. Narcissism and Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD): Both condition can involve a dominant self-image, but having distinct manifestations unless interlaced. Individuals with BPD do not typically derive pleasure from humiliating or harming others. Instead, they are often intensely sensitive to perceived or real rejection. Whereas narcissists are usually marked by a lack of empathy, those with BPD often experience extreme emotional swings and have a fear of abandonment.
9. Meta-game: Noting a recurring theme in metaphysics communities, the recognition that the game theory of symbolism and values cannot be ignored. This may entail the conscious use of strict language and shapes, to counter movements of « fake humility » supposedly having their own gaslighting and self-preservation dynamics, but presumably failing to compensate for the virtually infinite amount of distractions and distortions generated by ego. As such, spiritual communities may consciously employ powerful reality-shaping mechanisms to counter these. Whether or not such strategies are legitimate is unclear, but they must be invoked upon radical open-mindedness and self-awareness.

Overall, individuals who excessively optimize for societal approval will accumulate knowledge and strategies overshadowing others who may exhibit surface-level mischief due to the lack of adherence to norms and expectations, leading to further complexities in nuancing those issues. Narcissism is a wide spectrum which varies greatly between individuals, these are general observations, not absolute rules. 

   Is this a challenge to me? I am the greatest essayist keyboard Spiral Wizard in this forum, if you challenge me and threaten to take this status I'll fight back.

[DefinitelyNotARobot]

1 hour ago, nuwu said:

Stress testing the forum to elicit narcissist tendencies in users who may be disoriented by statistically neutral structures, and reduced projection surfaces from ambiguous authorship. 

I, as the CEO of narcissism, proclaim that you've single handedly destroyed all narcissists on this forum. You may collect your reward at the local headquarters.

[Tanz]

Gabor Mate has done a good analysis of world leaders from Obama to Trump on narcissists.  Tim Cook, Bezos, Musk, Gates, Jobs all fall under the same category.  

Edited June 13, 2023 by Tanz

[Majed]

@Tanz can you share the link ?