Psychedelics without the mindfuck effect

[Erixoon50]

Do you have any recommendations for psychedelics that doesn't have much of a ,,mindfuck'' effect like you can experience on mushrooms for example

 

So far I've had 4 trips on mushrooms only, and I am quite tired of all of these thought loops and mindfucking my whole concept of reality. Looking for psychedelics that can have more spiritual / nondual effects

 

5MeoDMT and 5Meo Malt? I've heard that those 2 can be really powerful but am honestly a little bit afraid of trying them cause they're way different that traditional psychedelics

[SamC]

Lmao

Mindfuck sounds a lot like Love ^^ why don't you want love bro

[Asayake]

LSD has way less mindfuck for me than mushrooms. Although, there's still some mindfuckery for sure . You can't remove the mindfuck component completely without removing the essence of what makes psychedelics useful. The deep confusion about what's actually going on drives you to realize your true nature.

[JonasVE12]

It's not the psychedelics that give you the mindfuck. It's your mind which is chaotic and confused about life. Psychedelics amplify that. 

[RendHeaven]

Are you kidding? Mindfuck is the name of the game LOL. That's the whole point of psychedelics.

"Psychedelics without the mindfuck" = just being sober

[Razard86]

6 hours ago, Erixoon50 said:

Do you have any recommendations for psychedelics that doesn't have much of a ,,mindfuck'' effect like you can experience on mushrooms for example

 

So far I've had 4 trips on mushrooms only, and I am quite tired of all of these thought loops and mindfucking my whole concept of reality. Looking for psychedelics that can have more spiritual / nondual effects

 

5MeoDMT and 5Meo Malt? I've heard that those 2 can be really powerful but am honestly a little bit afraid of trying them cause they're way different that traditional psychedelics

Ummm sorry to inform you.... mushrooms are a catalyst.... the one doing the mind fucking is YOU. Your true self just wants to reveal itself to you but you won't let it. So when you take a mushroom and relax.... your true self is like FINALLY I CAN SHOW YOU A GLIMPSE OF WHAT YOU TRULY ARE!!! And the games begin!!!! You do it too much....and you may awaken your kundalini.

[puporing]

Maybe you should just take some time off of it ???... or try small doses. 

 

[SeaMonster]

5 hours ago, JonasVE12 said:

It's not the psychedelics that give you the mindfuck. It's your mind which is chaotic and confused about life. Psychedelics amplify that. 

Wish there was a "thumbs up" emoji.  They're just amplifying your own ruminative tendencies.

[Leo Gura]

I have tried a lot of chemicals and all of them have mindfuck. Mindfuck is something you bring to the table.

[Jodistrict]

For me, Bufo Alvarius is the purest journey.  It takes one minute for the mind to drop away. There aren’t any stories.  Just the feeling of pure presence and connection.  

Edited May 9, 2022 by Jodistrict

[Batman]

If you have overthinking tendencies, or find your identity to reside in the mind, mindfuckery is almost inevitable. Sometimes you even need to go through it in order to "learn the lesson".

[Erixoon50]

@SamC Can you

22 hours ago, SamC said:

Lmao

Mindfuck sounds a lot like Love ^^ why don't you want love bro

Can you expand more on that? What is love per your definition?

[The0Self]

I know what you mean. The cleaner ones in my experience are 5-MeO-DMT and LSD-25 (better than other analogues of LSD). 5-MeO-MALT seems to be similar, though I personally have never used it.

[eggopm3]

Just take smaller doses if you don't want as much mindfuck.

[OBEler]

I think if you close your eyes during Trip you will have less of a mindfuck.

At least at normal doses on lsd/Allad. 

[MsNobody]

@Asayake Yes I agree, mushrooms are way more tricky to deal with, it's like a mind of its own. It brings out my primitive and unpredictable side. LSD is smooth.

@OBEler I feel like when I close my eyes it gets worse! However I had an ayahuasca trip that I had to close my eyes for 4 hours, not that I had to, I just could not open it, and the message I got was that the vine was working on my perception of the world and my vision was completely shut off for hours, maintenance time lol.  Whenever I opened my eyes it was like looking at the sun. 

[AuroraDream]

Mdma. It can offer amazing depth but with psychological safety.

[tedens]

4-Ho-Malt pretty light.

[MsNobody]

@tedens is this substance legal?

[Advocate]

MDMA in low to medium dosages in combination with a microdosis mushrooms is pretty gentle and still produces non-dual insights.