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How much do women get turned on by a man's looks?

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3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

A women does not get horny instantly like a guy.

Hell, no.

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

But a cold dick pic.... never.

Lol no. Try massive cold sending. It works, but you gotta be consistent, just like with cold approach.


If you have no confidence in yourself, you are twice defeated in the race of life. But with confidence you have won, even before you start.” -- Marcus Garvey

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3 hours ago, Etherial Cat said:

I never got any particular fantasy about solely good looking men in my life. It needs to be part of a broader narrative or tension for me.

Same thing for us, men. But usually the other stuff are included unconsciously, and it all gets blamed on the looks when actually looks aren't solely the case. For example, confidence is essential for attraction, but since most women have it already (for some unknown reasons lol), men don't focus on it. Have you ever wondered why dancing is so appealing to men? It's not really the bodies of the women, but rather the power and confidence that dancing demonstrates. Of course, looks are on a scale, and some bodies are hotter than others, but you get the idea.

Edited by Gesundheit

If you have no confidence in yourself, you are twice defeated in the race of life. But with confidence you have won, even before you start.” -- Marcus Garvey

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2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There is nothing special about anyone. Or, to say the same thing, everyone is equally special.

The mind is bullshitting itself whenever it feels that one thing is more special than any other. That is ego in a nutshell. But you can't stop doing it or you'll die. So here we are, bullshitting each other.

And now you understand all of human life, especially dating and relationships. It's all 100% pure bullshit which is why it's so unstable. Ta-da! :D

There is nothing special about this post ;)


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25 minutes ago, Gesundheit said:

Lol no. Try massive cold sending. It works, but you gotta be consistent, just like with cold approach.

Cold sending dick pick doesn't put you far off from the creep flashing his dick to women in the park. Don't do it. 

17 minutes ago, Gesundheit said:

Have you ever wondered why dancing is so appealing to men? It's not really the bodies of the women, but rather the power and confidence that dancing demonstrates. Of course, looks are on a scale, and some bodies are hotter than others, but you get the idea.

Dancing has a lot of different style and purposes.

The appeal men would have for woman doing some belly dancing or lets say a warrior tribal dance is very different. I don't think men are attracted to a woman's power and confidence in all circumstances.

A lot of time, dance serves as a mating purpose to test one's energy and compatibility. It's done with the purpose of seduction like a mating ritual where one puts in display its physical asset and essence. The spell you might feel while watching a woman dancing is likely more due to that.

If men would be attracted by a woman's confidence and power, they'd not go to the strip club to get a boner on naked hot women but pay to attend feminist demonstration and jack on hairy armpits...:P


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7 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Cold sending dick pick doesn't put you far off from the creep flashing his dick to women in the park. Don't do it. 

@Gesundheit Yeah man this is tantamount to sexual harassment. Whether it works sometimes or not, you've still just harassed a large number of women for your own ends. Killing someone over the phone is no different than killing them in person, sending a dick pic is no different than flashing them in public. 

11 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

If men would be attracted by a woman's confidence and power, they'd not go to the strip club to get a boner on naked hot women but pay to attend feminist demonstration and jack on hairy armpits...:P

I'm sure we'd be amazed at certain people lmao

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6 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Cold sending dick pick doesn't put you far off from the creep flashing his dick to women in the park. Don't do it.

That's just your inexperienced pov. Try it and see :P

10 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

If men would be attracted by a woman's confidence and power, they'd not go to the strip club to get a boner on naked hot women but pay to attend feminist demonstration and jack on hairy armpits...:P

That's such a silly thing to say, and it completely misses the point that I made above. That's why I initially said that some bodies are hotter than others, to include this point and prevent such silly arguments.

@Elevated Don't be silly and project your fears here. It's just a pic of a man's organ of love.


If you have no confidence in yourself, you are twice defeated in the race of life. But with confidence you have won, even before you start.” -- Marcus Garvey

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@Gesundheit Listen man, I'm not ashamed of sexuality, but that doesn't give me the right to start flashing my body to everyone regardless of their beliefs. You are imposing yourself on other people regardless of how they might feel about it. Thinking that you can show people your cock and it is completely fine demonstrates your lack of empathy for the women you show it to. You make them feel uncomfortable, you make them feel as if their needs don't matter, you make them feel violated, and you decrease the respect that they have for men in general. You are not benefitting society by doing that.

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@Elevated LMFAO! Haters will hate.


If you have no confidence in yourself, you are twice defeated in the race of life. But with confidence you have won, even before you start.” -- Marcus Garvey

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1 hour ago, Elevated said:

There has been a shift in the pickup community in the past couple years toward Stage Green, but the vast majority of it still makes this very Stage Orange mistake. You'll have guys complaining about some pickup coach getting married with, "a sub-10 barely instagram worth woman." They just can't see how someone would be perfectly happy marrying someone who isn't the best looking person who has ever used photoshop well in the world. There is progress, but it's slow. Impossible beauty standards are definitely not making it any easier. 

Stage Orange will stage Orange...

I used to get very mad at the objectification going on there (because it is obviously a lose-lose on the long term) but I think these men seek 1) validation from the group to demonstrate their worth through a trophy 2) physical beauty as a fetish in order to compensate for the lack of transcendental in their magicless perception of the world.

My point here is that this is all mental pathologies and unresolved issues they can't really help at their level, otherwise they'd be pass it. It's almost structural and bound to happen.

I find it great that pick up is evolving towards new stages. But of course the orange segment of it will remain for a while and try to drag the other down.

Edited by Etherial Cat

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1 hour ago, Gesundheit said:

Same thing for us, men. But usually the other stuff are included unconsciously, and it all gets blamed on the looks when actually looks aren't solely the case. For example, confidence is essential for attraction, but since most women have it already (for some unknown reasons lol), men don't focus on it. Have you ever wondered why dancing is so appealing to men? It's not really the bodies of the women, but rather the power and confidence that dancing demonstrates. Of course, looks are on a scale, and some bodies are hotter than others, but you get the idea.

Yeah I really agree with this. Sexual confidence is so important for women (I've noticed this in myself) and other women, and how much a difference it makes with and without it.

There are some super gorgeous looking women who lack sex appeal. Whilst there are some ok looking women who are super attractive because of their sex appeal.

This doesn't necessarily mean showing skin, one can be covered and have ooze sex appeal by body language. Dancing in a club is where you can really see this play out too, if you observe it haha.

But then again, I get why being confident in this way can be uncomfortable for women (including myself) at times and sexualizing yourself in this society is off-putting. 

Marilyn Monroe said she could turn from an unnoticable woman to a model with cameras chasing her without changing her looks but simply by altering her body language and walk. I also feel this similar shift when I'm drunk as I become more comfortable with expressing my sexuality and become my hotter alter-ego :D

 

 


"Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it" -Rumi

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13 minutes ago, Elevated said:

@Gesundheit Listen man, I'm not ashamed of sexuality, but that doesn't give me the right to start flashing my body to everyone regardless of their beliefs. You are imposing yourself on other people regardless of how they might feel about it. Thinking that you can show people your cock and it is completely fine demonstrates your lack of empathy for the women you show it to. You make them feel uncomfortable, you make them feel as if their needs don't matter, you make them feel violated, and you decrease the respect that they have for men in general. You are not benefitting society by doing that.

I agree.

Also, further on that topic.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jan/08/what-makes-men-send-dick-pics

12 minutes ago, Gesundheit said:

@Elevated LMFAO! Haters will hate.

Sending unsolicited dick pick is discussed as criminal offense material. So beware, its not only about what's our opinion but also it could turn out rather badly in general.  ?


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5 minutes ago, neutralempty said:

Is it?

Is it not what's happening when pick up artists want to chase 10s and get disappointed by proxy when their guru settle with a woman who's not perceived as good material from their perspective and standards?


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22 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Sending unsolicited dick pick is discussed as criminal offense material. So beware, its not only about what's our opinion but also it could turn out rather badly in general.  ?

This.

Instead of sending dick pics, post a grey joggers pic maybe... (if you're attractive :D)

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"Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it" -Rumi

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4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Pumping up her emotional state is the magic key. No woman will ever fuck you logically. If you cannot get her out of logic-mode, she will say No.

Some skillful nerd should draw a system diagram for this. Maybe getting laid/attraction could be modelled at different stages of the process in a helpful way.  

Stuff like:

  • Is she in logic mode? Yes --> use this skill, do this or learn how to do this to create fun. No --> next step
  • Is eye contact being made? Yes/No
  • Are slight touches being shared? Yes/No
  • Is she smiling/laughing? Yes/No
  • Is she leaning away or towards you or is she neutral?
  • a) Leaning away? --> give her space.  
  • b) Leaning towards? --> escalate
  • Neutral? --> spike emotions and ping her responsiveness with touch or flirting until a or b.

Pre-approach checklist:

  • Do you smell nice? Yes/No
  • Are you dressed appropriately? Yes/No
  • Do you have a unique perspective to share? Yes/No
  • Do you believe you can make this woman's life better? Yes/No

Identify sticking points, create suitable fun processes for training them and for testing your progress then re-evaluate. 

 


Every perspective has at least a piece of the truth in it.

No one is capable of being 100% wrong.

 

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6 minutes ago, TheAlchemist said:

Some skillful nerd should draw a system diagram for this. Maybe getting laid/attraction could be modelled at different stages of the process in a helpful way.  

Stuff like:

  • Is she in logic mode? Yes --> use this skill, do this or learn how to do this to create fun. No --> next step
  • Is eye contact being made? Yes/No
  • Are slight touches being shared? Yes/No
  • Is she smiling/laughing? Yes/No
  • Is she leaning away or towards you or is she neutral?
  • a) Leaning away? --> give her space.  
  • b) Leaning towards? --> escalate
  • Neutral? --> spike emotions and ping her responsiveness with touch or flirting until a or b.

Pre-approach checklist:

  • Do you smell nice? Yes/No
  • Are you dressed appropriately? Yes/No
  • Do you have a unique perspective to share? Yes/No
  • Do you believe you can make this woman's life better? Yes/No

Identify sticking points, create suitable fun processes for training them and for testing your progress then re-evaluate. 

 

People have already done something like this. If models are your thing, I recommend you watch Todd V. His program, "The System," is very much like that. It's a good starting place, but eventually you have to let go of the models and start working on authentic communication. Take off the training wheels so to speak. This is basically the move from canned routines to natural game. 

@neutralempty As I stated above, the move from canned routines to natural game was the initial movement toward Stage Green. At least in my opinion. That happened quite a while ago, I think over a decade at this point, but it has been steadily becoming more and more Green as time goes on. For example, RSD's switch to more self-improvement focused social skills development as opposed to strict game is an example of this. I think it was partly forced upon them by the increasingly high standard of conduct on youtube, but the change happened nonetheless.

As with any change it's only at the bleeding edge, and is often downward assimilated to the stage of the viewer. 

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15 minutes ago, Moon said:

Instead of sending dick pics, post a grey jogger pic maybe... (if you're attractive :D)

 

Grey jogger pic? I never heard it was a thing. :P

Are they really a common practice?

 

 


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32 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Stage Orange will stage Orange...

I used to get very mad at the objectification going on there (because it is obviously a lose-lose on the long term) but I think these men seek 1) validation from the group to demonstrate their worth through a trophy 2) physical beauty as a fetish in order to compensate for the lack of transcendental in their magicless perception of the world.

My point here is that this is all mental pathologies and unresolved issues they can't really help at their level, otherwise they'd be pass it. It's almost structural and bound to happen.

I find it great that pick up is evolving towards new stages. But of course the orange segment of it will remain for a while and try to drag the other down.

I think this is part of the power of Spiral Dynamics. It cleared up so much of the resentment and confusion I had about why people do what they do. You can't hate someone when they're just at their level. How can I look down on someone objectifying women when their truth is grounded in an objective, physical reality? How else would they approach it? 

It also gives you a clear roadmap for looking at yourself and seeing how you can improve. I can be high and mighty about the fact that I look at women as more than just their physical appearance, and yet I'm not appreciating the Spiral from my Tier 1 position. I use my own beliefs as a bludgeon against anyone who doesn't agree with me and that's just not right. 

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@Elevated If we want to view game from the lens of spiral dynamics, I think looking at the values behind doing game is most important. Are you creating me win/you lose, me win/ you win or me win/you win/society win situations?

Natural game can happen at any level, many guys who are living from stage red values are very natural, they don't even think about game. Natural game is just getting so good at the process of attraction that it becomes a part of you and it's no longer a conscious process.

Attraction is a process so would there really be a stage green/yellow/orange/blue version of attraction? The same basic principles and progression applies (in general), what changes is the values behind the action.

 

Edited by TheAlchemist

Every perspective has at least a piece of the truth in it.

No one is capable of being 100% wrong.

 

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Women do get turned on by a man's looks.

But, unlike men, women also get turned on by average (even below average) looking men who are bold at communicating confidence, humor, and grounded masculine energy.

You'd be surprised how easy it is to have 10s become extremely attracted to you through nothing but presence and humor.

Attracting women is nothing more than energy communication. If your energy is in the right place, attraction is almost inevitable.

Simple as that.


Enter their minds, and you’ll find the judges you’re so afraid of – and how judiciously they judge themselves.

- Marcus Aurelius

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@neutralempty @TheAlchemist

I'm going to start capitalizing Pickup to denote that I'm talking specifically about Pickup as a tool, and not just the general process of romantically meeting women. 

I think the distinction here is that Pickup originated from a Stage Orange mindset. It reduced social interaction down to a series of steps that you could just take yourself and the girl through, there was a process of trial and error, peer review, etc.

So, once Natural Pickup became a thing specifically within the Pickup community, it was the evolution of a Stage Orange tool toward a Stage Green form. Obviously natural game can occur at any level, but we are specifically talking about a tool that transcended and included as it evolved. 

I should add that Natural Pickup itself was not a line that once crossed meant it was completely Green. Like I said in earlier posts, it was the very beginnings of the move toward Green because it began to view social interaction not as a reducible, mechanistic thing, but as a more human, emotional thing. The vast majority of Pickup is still Orange, but the bleeding edge of Pickup has become Green. 

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