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I believe he means a type of consciousness that is so radically different that you could call it other worldly, that's why he says alien. Because it holds zero recognition within human consciousness, therefore it is extra-terrestrial.

@UnlovingGod @Leo Gura I think you guys mean "alien" as in"unfamiliar and disturbing or distasteful." and NOT "relating to or denoting beings supposedly from other worlds; extraterrestrial."

But would he have the courage? If they are intelligent and more advanced, would the average alien take 5-MeO-DMT knowing that they have even more to lose and that it would be even more traumatic than for a human?

@Davino I do speak from direct experience. I think that the mistake I make is that I want to go as far as him in the domain of God-Realization. I want to reach a complete understanding of God and of Alien Infinity. He repeated on the forum that nobody understood these things better than him, that nobody even knew what it was, that he was the most Awake Being on this planet… things like that (I'm not using his exact words). I think that's fine because from my observations, it is true. But I still want to get to these levels of Awakenings. Maybe I focus on going as far as him too much. That's quite a goal I unintentionally set to myself, which is to make that sentence (''I'm the most''… God-Realized, Infinitely Conscious or whatever) not true anymore. So in my trips, I first Awaken normally, but I then I start wondering how far I went or am going - thus, next to Leo (still in his awakenings before alien consciousness, because I haven't reached that yet). That is why my trips get tainted the way they do. So that's not Leo per se I need to let go of, but the desire of making his statement, that there is only one person who has gone this far in understanding Consciousness, stop being correct. It might actually be very hard for me to fully let that go. It's kind of a dream I'm asked to give up on.

Human mind exist within infinite mind, and is dualistic by nature, that’s why it cannot have infinite comprehension. Because to have infinite intellect your mind needs to become infinity. human mind only exists because it is defined by limits, if it wasn’t, it wouldn’t be human mind, it would be infinite mind. Even what Leo talks about with alien mind will still be within limits, just less/different.

Unless there is an alien with a different logical mind. Maybe they would be explaining gravity with light as a language, who knows!

@Breakingthewall Do you think alien minds would do maths differently? I don't just mean picking different symbols for shared concepts like addition etc., but perhaps highlighting aspects of reality that humans have no access to due to the way a human mind is configured.

@Leo Gura I still think you're extremly "enlightened" in matter of understanding how experience occurs, at least, very close of purity. But it's like you still believe in science inside a construct. ( I use science, for a lack of emptiness ) Like if you were aware to me, you would be able to defend a position anti vax and pro vax fully for instance, while noticing that both positions are absolutely equals in the non sense, and that both are based on dreaming paradigms and experiences. You still dreaming stages of consciousness, personality type, and many things, and those things are the last attachment you must get rid of to reach fully alien consciousness. it seems you really want this to be real somehow, I know it's painful to know that everything you built your dream upon is absolutely empty, but it has to be seen, it's like the final trick of the ego to stay in the play it know the best. Also psychedelics does nothing at all, and doesn't produce more enlightment, and maybe they do, but really it doesn't matter, you might attribute causality where there is none. I know, you based all your works upon those things, but really, there is a next stage, where all stages and fictions melts.

Sigh your not getting it. What they are saying is Alien Consciousness relative to the human Consciousness is so different of an experience that it can destroy the human experience. Only when someone stops being in human consciousness and takes on a radically different one can they understand. If you entered a state of consciousness where your thinking increased to super sonic speeds, there was a ridiculous constant flow of energy that felt like bombs going off, and you felt Self Love so powerful that you were creating and destroying things with mere thoughts...it would be very hard to go back to human consciousness and take all of this real. Consider if you ever reached these states and came back that humans would appear like Sim characters walking around to you. Many of you don't understand what "REAL" is. "REAL" is a relational concept that can easily be destroyed. You go far enough in this work and you won't see a difference between Mickey Mouse and a human...they will both be experienced as pure imagination.

Human is just a role you're playing in the collective consciousness. Alien is also a role.

You are saying we are in the dark ages still, but compared to what? Imagined alien technological advancements? What i'm saying is, we are only wherever we are at. How can there be a real comparison when there's only: "where were at" ❤️

@Vibes @Yimpa That's why I feel the need to stick to a routine, I've been scared for a year and a half but everytime I muster the courage to trip, like I did twice this month, I realize there was nothing to be scared of, ridiculous self-deception If not for fear I would already be some kind of alien mind right now, we all would I guess

First I had one experince where I was in contemplation of a single Bias the Bias against certain temperatures. Imagine you go to take a shower and you forget this bias, you end up burned very soon, thats why you modulate the shower to be exactly a tolerable heat. I notice this as a Bias and ask myself what would happen If I would let go of this Bias. I could not live long if I was indiferent to hot or cold, this distiction is not even equal to all living organisms. Check the Volcano Snail for example, this creature is an Alien in this planet. https://youtu.be/7GFtRPYfvcs?si=2qUReiXs0HaYEULN And even being a creature thar can Survive in such extreme temperature it still need to be constrained to some balance, maybe it would not survive at extreme cold water or even ice, but I heard of a frog that can freeze and come back to life.

now the question is of degree Because there are infinite levels of consciousness, I could be like leo and take so many psychedelics I rewire my brain having episodes of alien consciousness whenever I close my eyes (does leo still experience this or did it pass?) anyway, I’m not interested in that. I don’t think most on this forum are interested in that. All I really want is the clarity I had the days after my last DMT trip. acutely aware that this is a construction of my mind . but I don’t need to live in alien consciousness. I don’t think that would be helpful.

Probably lots of reasons. The ones that @An young being and @PurpleTree have mentioned might be among them... and perhaps also the fact that a snake seems almost like an alien creature to a human being and elicits a very deep rooted & primal fear response from them; all of this is analogous to a human being's relationship with Infinity.

The alien stuff is not so much about the chemical you use as it is about completely going beyond all the human spiritual concepts and teachings, and really starting to use your mind in an out-of-the-box way. After you've achieved all the standard nondual consciousness and insights, you start to wonder, what's next? And then the possibility opens up for new kinds of consciousness, completely beyond anything humans talk about.

@Leo Gura You described 5 meo Malt so perfectly in your Video, because me and those I know who took it, experienced same effects and can therefore resonate. So 5 meo malt works on many others almost the same as on you. I never told my girlfriend about your teachings at all, but she talks like you because She experienced on these 5 meo substances the same God realization you do. At least up to your last Videos. Who knows what you have discovered since then. So I hope alien mind will be accessible for serious psychonauts.

Everyone is different. I have no idea what will get anyone to alien consciousness but me. I have achieved insane consciousness on weed. But that's me. You ain't me.

@Leo Gura Can weed alone really take you there? To experience alien consciousness? Because on weed, I have had identical experiences to what the gentleman in the post described so eloquently. I wonder if it’s possible to go higher on weed alone.

@PurpleTree That's only your bias toward survival and the belief that you know how to keep surviving as an ego that makes you believe that you shall act as A or B. The perfection is the very fact you're feeling incomplete; that's the thing that keeps you going. Of course, it is total delusion. Nothing is to be accomplished or done about anything. There is no better or worse in absolute, just a self-driving process that will turn you to believe that you shall move in a direction to keep fitness and preservation. But all of that is a thought right now; it has to be realized in absolute because no thoughts acknowledge reality. Fully realized, nothing makes any sense. Absolutely everything is an ordered chaos that you're alien with. You just meditate your life away. No evil construct, only love and God.

Alien Insanity or gtfo.

There is a whole order of higher, trans-human dimension to Consciousness. Like Alien Consciousness and others.

@UnbornTao None? That cant be. I mean alien mind excluded, everything he teaches about reality like you are god etc is already in many religions/traditions included.

Regardless of whether it's true that there's a case to be made that it's about caring more about your closest in-group vs other in-groups, or in-group vs an alien out-group (which would then be a human thing rather than a "Muslim" thing), one thing remains certain: the response is appropriate. It will always remain true that showing solidarity to innocent Palestinians when they are faced with a possible catastrophe is appropriate. Next, if we assume that the disproportionate response is not because Israel was made by an international community and therefore it owes its' obedience to international laws and norms (unlike a 3rd world dictator); Israel is allied with western governments and can be pressured (unlike a China); there's no end in sight for this nearly century-old conflict and we can guess it could end with the displacement of a people (unlike in Syria where we know the war will end and that there will still be Syrians there); then the right way to approach the lack of equality of responses would be how can we get humans to feel this strongly about x, y, and z. Rather than this unspoken implication that their response lacks authenticity. That Arabs don't care about Arabs. Muslims don't care about Muslims. Because this is absolutely untrue.

@Leo Gura I hope your course is coming soon! I am hyped for this When I watched 'Annihilation,' I imagined alien consciousness in this way: highly intelligent sneaky strange alien being, autistic and playful in it's behaviour but at the same time in deep love for its own creation.