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Can we agree on: Capital "S" self, God, Eternal Consciousness = Nothingness (in order for everything to be contained in it as a projection). Yes? Reincarnation is real.

That subject is formlessness or nothingness. Thats why all is one, because formlessness can be formless and at the same time can take any form. So This is nothingness. This is nothingness. So where is the world, reincarnation, universe or enlightenment? You are not even in the body, because there is no body. So how am i wrong with saying there is no reincarnation? There is nothing here, so where is the reincarnation?

You’re incorrect in saying that there is no reincarnation, since there is no self to reincarnate. The “self” won’t service, but there will NEVER be a moment that “Self” - just awareness itself, wont experience something. And this POV, or “Self” with capital S is nothing experiencing different gradations of itself. Because there is only 1 subject in the entire universe.

There is no reincarnation, nothing is experiencing different vibrations as itself, and you call it infinite lives. You named the vibration and created the so called life.

You have to zoom out of you to understand and finally see reincarnation. It’s among the last.

@Someone here Who cares that you can't literally say that something reincarnates. There is no self to reincarnate.. so what.. doesn't mean reincarnation doesn't point to a 'process' that's all too real. You say there is zero evidence for it. Actually there is tons of evidence for it if you care to look into it. The internet is just full of it.

OK look.. What reincarnates? The body? The soul? The self? The Self? The awareness? The ego? All? Some? What??? Because as a matter of observable fact the body decays into dust and rot alright?. Once your physical body dies it just dissolves into it's essential elements and just evaporates in nature.. Gets diffused into the soil etc. So that's that. What is it exactly that reincarnates then because obviously it's not the body? The self? There is no self "inside "the body lol !. The body is inside the" Self". There is no ghost inside the machine. What you really have is a machine inside the ghost lol. The self (ego) is a negative hole that appears as a consequence (byproduct) of entanglement of thoughts.. perceptions.. feelings etc. It's a misidentification really. It's a negative.. not an existing entity onto itself. So there is no self to reincarnate. IMO reincarnation is no different from Abrahamic religion's notions of hell and heaven.. Both have ZERO evidence!. As for karma.. Well it's simply that for each up there is a down and for each action there is a reaction. You throw up a ball in the sky.. It falls down in the opposite direction taking the exact time that it took to reach the highest peak to fall from it into the ground. That's karma. The universe is already at perfect balance. There is no need for reincarnation to achieve balance as if balance could be lost to begin with. Balance is already the case. It's inconceivable that something unbalanced could even exist! And if you look at it from a pantheistic worldview.. You are already living inside every creature in this planet.. So at the moment that you are beheading a chicken you are the chicken that's being beheaded and the human who is beheading it simultaneously. Karma is instant.

For all the account of people, Sadhguru, various scriptures in all religion it seems like reincarnation is a fact. If so how does it really works and how does the karma of this life transfers to the next life?

I just read this, and it really made me question death and reincarnation and multiple realities. The message was on youtube, and it read: I've got a similar message the time I was coming off mushrooms and thought it was a good idea to hit the dmt pipe the next morning and I was immediately nowhere without a body or anything just simply awareness with a crazy color wall infront of me and a voice coming from everywhere saying I have no idea what I'm fucking with and I was like yup you're right then plopped back into my body and for maybe a minute my awareness was above my head I could see 360 and there was a central me with a bunch of floating boxes that showed almost infinite realities and one movement in any of them would ripple across. I remember noticing that each reality I was sitting or even standing in a different spot all in the same room. I was like ohh shit I might have screwed up this is way to much and then I closed my eyes and opened them to be back inside my head in a single reality. That confirmed my suspicion, now belief that death isn't what we think and I can't really die in the normal sense that I would just wake up in a reality where things were a little different. I actually remember dieing in a car accident but ending up in a reality where I perfectly avoided the crash but vividly remember looking up and accepting that I was going to crash and there was no way to swerve around, didn't even go for the brake but then I was on the other side of the car controlling the swerve and remember jerking the wheel once to basically juke the car somehow without hitting the guardrail that in the last reality was closer then this one, I managed to not put a scratch on my mom's car, but I could remember giving up and accepting that I was going to smash right into this car that was at a dead stop a car length at most infront of me while doing 60mph. Another interesting part is that feeling you get when coming back from dmt is the same feeling I had on the other side of the car. Backtracking to the day on mushrooms before the dmt hit I had not planned anything I just did it kinda out of curiosity and boredom, ended up having so many thoughts coming feeling like anxious and then I layed back to try meditating to look in the sky and see a huge godlike version of myself that told me everything I feel and experience is my fault resulting from choices etc. I immediately was like yeah makes sense you're right, then a vortex opened up in the sky connected to my head and pulled all of the racing thoughts out leaving me feeling totally at peace. Has anyone else experienced anything similar? Like a realization that no matter what we do we can't really "die", and we'll just keep living the infinite realities until we find one where we narrowly escaped death, and then forget the rest? This is quite a mindfuck...I've had a few near-death experiences where I wondered how I got out of it alive. Maybe this is the answer...we are just all immortal, and when we see other people die, they are living a different reality where they're alive?

Wait a minute, the lion and the lamb in the Book of Revelation might represent the Wanderers in the Law of One. The common interpretation is that the lion/lamb means Jesus. But Jesus now belongs to heaven since he left earth and the Advocate, the Holy Spirit remains on earth to remind us. And the lamb looked like it had been slain. The original Koine Greek says: "a Lamb standing as having been slain" (Ἀρνίον ἑστηκὸς ὡς ἐσφαγμένον). That doesn't necessary mean that the lamb had been slain. And was Jesus slain? That's weird wording I guess (I'm not an expert on English). So the lamb is on earth and it looks battered. If the Wanderers are the lion/lamb, then the lion is still a front but the lamb has gone through a lot of suffering! Scary scenario. And indeed, check out what Ra says in the Law of One: Social memory complex means collective consciousness. And Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow, that sounds like a battered lamb! It indicates that a collective consciousness is trapped here on earth and has to wear the "cloak" of a lion in order to function in our world. That's hardly the breakaway civilization, because they would be able to break away from the trapped state. Yikes, the Wanderers seem to be regular people but with a collective consciousness that is trapped in third density ego consciousness. And reincarnation means Wanderers who die and new Wanderers being born. It's a collective consciousness. The Dalai Lama said that reincarnation is real, but it's not personal, he said. Bingo.

I AM with you on it. this, that's all, "anything else" is illusory concepts: ego, soul, reincarnation... ? Put in quotes since there is nothing else tbh ?

I've heard from different sources things like, "I had 634 reincarnations" or "this specific person is a reincarnation of me". My way of thinking was always that "I AM" every soul/incarnation there is. I'm a bit confused and was hoping you guys could help me get some clarity.

Do You think God would reincarnate current racists humans into other races in their next reincarnation? Don't You think that's how god educates? Don't you think this is the best type of education By turning someone into the person(s) that which this someone hates and cannot Embrace/Love? So if one was sexist he/she would reincarnate as the opposite gender in the next life etc.

@beastcookie the comprehensive answer: throughout the spiritual journey, there could be thousands upon thousands of opinions, ideas, and perceptions, the thing is that the most stupid thing for us is to take everything blindly without our first-hand experience of that abstraction/concept! for instance, someone could read dozens of legit books about reincarnation and he might get an idea of the reincarnation but it's not that simple to form a mental image in the mind about that and then believing into that for the rest of life. what I really love to recommend for this certain situation is to clear your mind from any abstractions that are taught in any book or video, and prioritize the very own direct experience which is beyond any mental image/imagination/visualization/over-conceptualization! only learn the basics of consciousness work which are more practical and implement them to reach the hands-on experience!

@Inliytened1 when you say never coming back to your form when your identity dies, wont you still come back when your born again? How does reincarnation work? Is it all imaginary and all those memories of "you" growing up are not real? Only the present moment and direct experience is what exists?

@freeman194673 Our reincarnations? Reincarnation isn't real. Nothing is being RE-incarnated. The absolute essence of reality is the entirety of reality. Infinity in and of itself is a motion. There is only and can only ever be infinity. You cannot escape this. Not with silly concepts, not with pretending it's not there. It is the only thing you will and can know. That is why we call the ego an illusion. Concepts are illusions, I can think of a square-circle but it will never be a representation of reality.

It's not a cycle. Nothing repeats in this life. Everytime there is a different cry, a different laught, a different sleep, a different day. And there's the duality : being awake/sleeping because we need sleep in order to function properly. see this man with fatal insomnia for example: And if you're talking about reincarnation,I'm not sure about that. As Leo said,you could stay in the Godhead realm aka Heaven forever. the reason for what?Our reincarnations? Why? You can be innocent at 50 years old too. You can have that bliss at 50 years old too. Some people didn't have it in childhood. Some people won't ever have it.

I still can't wrap my head around the notion of "Death is imaginary" as Leo put's it. I still perceive death as you are just sitting in a endless darkness where you don't see anything, and you still are thinking thought's and have a ego or identification with something, do you still have thought's when your identity is dead and you don't identify with anything? Do you still see this reality or direct experience what we are seeing right now? During the body's physical death, what's the transition from being in the body to merging into infinite love? Is it like waking up from a dream into a new form? or is the identification is gone and just is direct experience with no identification? that bring's up another topic of reincarnation though, and the void where consciousness pop's in and out.

interesting take on reincarnation

Reality is a mental projection, there is no need for imaginary counterparts such as "physical" "death" etc. All is needed is to stop imagining/projecting the dreamscape. Does it make sense that from all kinds of galaxies/planets/species from all the infinite amounts of creatures, God comes always back in a human form? Kind of limited to be reincarnation as a human always, why not as a DMT Machine Elf for example?

containment, absorption and reabsorption of energy, storing it in the dantien and refining it to the philosophers stone. As described in his book the magnum opus. OBE visualizations to create a strong double body. After a lot of practice they become as vivid as real life. See his OBE book. And in his book the way of the projectionist, he goes into more details to make it more effective. And you channel the energy you accumulate through energetic containment into the OBE visualizations, thus in the creation of you double body, which makes it more powerful. When your double body is very 'solid' you transfer your whole consciousness into it, and thus leave your physical body forever, it will then just be dead. For that to work you need the energy from your philosopher's stone. How exactly to do that, he wants to write about in a future book. This doesn't necessarily contradict enlightenment. Being enlightened means you know you are God, yet the experience of a physical body continues. After death of the physical body, the experience as a point of awareness probably continues even if you are enlightened, then you have an etheral body, and then perhaps incarnate somewhere else. John Kreiter says the purpose of transferring your consciousness to the double body is to escape prison earth, the matrix and the reincaranation cycle. But there are also other ways of doing that. One is to avoid the light trap after death and escape through a hole in the grid. probably another one is to become enlightened. John Kreiter's way would probably have some advantages though. You would have a smooth transtion, without a gap with a loss of consciousness and thus you would be guaranteed to be lucid and fully in control. And you will keep the philosopher's stone (it is non-physical) thus you keep this energy/power. John Kreiter said he will write more about reincarnation in his next book.

God doesn't reward those have achieved enlightened, its such a silly human concept that god rewards and punishes. There is no reincarnation, you have no individual soul, the ONE soul has you, and once YOU are gone, the ONE soul remains, as it has always been, is and will be. It doesn't matter if you were Hitler or Gandhi, its all the same once the heart stops beating, the human experience ends and the god experience continues.

Leo, what about reincarnation? Isn't it so that only a fully awakened person goes to infinite love at the point of the ohsycial body's death? And other people keep reincarnation? Did you get insight that makes this information no longer to be true and that everybody go to infinite love forever?

i understand it in the direction that the same accounts for people of white/pinkish skin ‚colour’, its just that they won’t take full responsibility, because they cannot - therefore taking full responsibility means taking full authority, in sense of not letting these things happen in silence. the quote entails a dissonance, it can be understood as of course no one chooses anything, or if people believe in reincarnation, the reincarnation for the reason of choice. staying calm means not calmness of heart - it means calmness of mind. i doubt this was a text exactly written for the current situation.

(OBEs: Out of Body Experiences include: LDs: Lucid Dreams, APs: Astral Projections and STs: Soul Travels) I bet I've listed some you haven't heard of: Psychedelics: You can materialize and take 5-Me0-DMT in lucid dreams and become enlightened or take sth like N,N DMT and have a fun trip. Meet ups: If you are advanced, you can go into other people's dreams or meet other travelers in dreams, APs and STs It is possible to induce full OBEs in less than 10 seconds. If you are able to go into the hypnotic Esdaile State and anchor it, you can enter it in a few seconds, and if you know what you're doing, you can relatively easiliy induce OBEs from there. For example Marco Lorenz can do that. It is possible to pull someone out of their physical body while they are sleeping. Marco Lorenz and Jonathan Dilas used to this with the participans of their seminars (I believe Jonathan is still doing it). During the night they would pull them out of their physical bodies, then astral travel together, and on the next morning share their experience and notice a huge overlap. You can talk with your guiding spirits, real aliens, deceased people, spirits,... Splitting your consciousness: You can split your consciousness in LDs and APs (and probably STs as well), thus be able to inhabit many independent bodies having independent experiences at once. This allows things like inhabiting a male and female body and then having sex with yourself. And most importantly, it allows you to experience far more in the same time. If you have an OBE for 5 minutes and inhabit 5 bodies, you experience 25 minutes Time Dilation: - In LDs: You can deliberately dilate time in dreams and thus experience for example 1 hour of dream-time in 5 minutes of Earth-time. It is possible but very difficult. - In APs: Time is relative. You can for example project to a place where 1h Earth-time equals 5min or 5h. For example Marco Lorenz once projected to a paralel reality and stayed there for 6 months while only 8 hours passed in Earth-time. (video is in german) Here I wrote in more detail about splitting consciousness and time dilation: OBEs during the whole night. Usually when someone has an OBE it is during the day or when you are in REM sleep. So you usually have alpha or theta brain waves. It is generally believed that you can't have OBEs during SWS (Slow Wave Sleep / deep sleep, when you have delta brain waves, 0.5-4hz). I'm not 100% sure yet but I believe OBEs are also possible during SWS, here are my reasons: I have heard several people say/write that it is possible and that they have done it Tibetan monks are able to stay aware during the whole night, including SWS. They (including the Dalai Lama) are aware of Awareness, thus a nondual state. So if they can be aware of Awareness then it should also be able to project onto a plane with a body. Soul Travles (STs) are said to happen when your brainwaves are in 0-0.5hz, that is even lower than what happens during deep sleep. So it's not only that it seems that OBEs are possible during low brainwaves, but that certain OBEs, STs are only possible with very low brainwaves. That means you should be able to project the whole night, 8 hours each day, that makes 29 200 hours after 10 years. 99.999% of people waste that time. Extra Time: If we combine the last 3 points: Splitting consciousness + time dilation + OBEs during the whole night we get an incredible amount of time which can be used for all sorts of things. Soul Travel: I don't know much about it but it is said to be far more epic than astral travel You can explore our actual physical universe and the past. This for example allows you to check in your direct experience which conspiracy theories are true and which are false. But you would need to be extremely careful, because it is very easy to see something which is not actually there but created or distorted by you. So you would need to be very advanced and do a lot of cross referencing of what other advanced OBEers report. Future. You can view probable future scenarios of earth. And you can see how different timelines of your life would develop depending on what choices you make. So for example you can preview the most likely scenario of what will happen in a week or in 10 years if you now choose job A versus job B. Explore paralell Realities Explore all of Creation. You are God so you should be able to explore all of Creation, be it past present or future. Escape the Matrix: All advanced OBEers I studied say similiar things about that topic. Their investigations made them come to the conclusion that we live in a kinda simulation, a matrix. The Matrix includes many astral planes, so after death, you are still within the Matrix. First you go through a tunnel and a white light, then you meet deceased people and some Guides, then after a while you get an amnesia shot and then are sent back to earth. That's the reincarnation cycle. Aliens created the matrix so that souls can have a certain experience, like being human. (There are obviously many many more Matrixes). All advanved OBE practioners I looked into (John Kreiter, Don Juan, Carlos Castenada, David McCready, Jonathan Dilas, Marco Lorenz,...) agree that this is the case, even scientists and people like Elon Musk believe we live in a simulation. Now, the matrix was actually a good thing because it allows souls to have a particular experience, but many researchers believe (including the OBEers John Kreiter, Don Juan, Carlos Castenada and Jonathan Dilas) that it was hijacked by malevolent aliens a couple of thousand years ago. If you know what they have planned for the upcoming years, it might be worth considering to leave the matrix. There are several possibilites: Don't fall for the Light Trap. Instead of going into the light after death, you search for a hole (which looks black) in the artifically set up grid and escape through it. OBEing allows you to verify for yourself whether this is true and it will probably be easier to escape if you are an OBEer, but it is definitely not necessary You create a double body while still alive and make it more and more solid (through having OBEs with it) till you can transfer your whole consciousness to it and then just leave your physical body behind for good and then try to escape the Matrix. Read John Kreiters books: The magnum opus and the way of the projectionist. Dissociation. Jonathan Dilas talks about that as another option. (you can google-translate his blog: Matrixblogger.de) Become enlightened. Religions tell us that you break the reincarnation cycle by becoming enlightened. It is believed that the soul will continue experiencing, it will upgrade to a different plane. The question is whether this plane is within or outside the matrix. Acashic Records. You will have access to the acashic records, thus to all knowledge become enlightened. Tibetan monks use dream yoga (LDs) to become enlightened Inhabit and control another real body. You can temporarily go inside someone else's body and live in it, as if it were your own. This is definitely possible. This usually happens in form of an agreement. 2 beings temporarily exchange their bodies so that they can explore the world of the other being. For example if an alien from another universe wants to explore earth, it can astral project to earth, but it can do more things with a physical body than with an astral body. If it happens involuntarily then this could be considered demonic possesion (if someone is demonically possessed they usually still have some control though) Download skills. Leo said that when you are super conscious, you would be able to just download skills. I believe you don't even need to be super conscious, it's enough to be an advanced OBEer. Do magick during OBEs which will affect your day-life and physical reality. Healing: By asking your subconscious, or aliens or guiding spirits, you are able to figure out the root cause of a disease and then tackle it (in case it has a psychological root) Have long whole-body orgasms And then we have of course the more well-known benefits: Personal Development: In dreams you are directly in contact with your subconscious. So this is obviously very valuable for any personal development work Fun Practice any skill Practice the Law of Attraction and make it more effective ... I believe OBEs are the key to mastering all of life. And the key to OBEs is deep hypnosis like the Esdaile State. I will soon make a post about that.