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@Natasha Tori Maru Imagine you're a woman who comes from a family of successful professionals, very focused on social status. During your childhood, your relationship with your parents was acceptable; they were demanding but not bad people. From childhood, you internalized that you should be accepted, fulfill your role, not be less than your siblings. Love? Well, I guess so, some. They do their best. You managed to live up to expectations, found a partner, a job as a lawyer, and had children. None of this really interested you much; the basis of your movement was not to be left behind. Do you love your children? Well, you think so. You try the best for them, although dealing with them was always tense. And your husband? Do you know him? You think so. He's a good person, he doesn't treat you badly. Everything is so strange, alienating. Sometimes you daydream about your family dying, and you immediately feel enormously guilty. Besides, what would you do? Alone, in middle age, sad. Sadness. Everything is strange, alien. You start having obsessive thoughts about your health and that of your children. You don't understand why, you don't understand anything. You go to the psychologist, you explain things, it helps you let go, but the sadness continues, and old age and death are right in front of you. Then, are your thoughts the cause of your suffering, or a consequence of an energetic structure built in a whole life in contact with an environment that creates those structures? It's real, built in decades, layers and layers of structure. You must be, let's say determinate and smart to penetrate to the bottom and destroy it. Maybe you should be someone determined to conquer the reality. Unfortunately, the most probably is that woman wont be that , but there are medicines, and some videos about self help to have some illusion that you are creating your suffering, and if you stop thinking everything would be wonderful

What are the actual issues are you referring to? Not interested in the alien stuff, only got aware of it from this forum.

Not that any of use will achieve this fullly: ... here in our lifetime. Yet, it is my experience that a view oriented towards that makes it much easier to stay open in Awakened Awareness in daily life considering all survival (which I prefer as concept) / corruption (which can easily close ones sobre Awakening down, which is why I prefer survival since its easier to have compassion then) on our lovely little backwater planet Earth. Planet Earth, a playground which in our present time seems largely to be a Kindergarten of developing souls. Which, in itself, is also a precious learning and development opportunity for all those souls engaged in the survival/corruption of the lower Spiral Dynamic stages. I don't consider you as such. Honestly, I quite like you and your development over the last years, having Truth as uncompromising North Star and guidance. By definition, that North Star leads to the Summum Bonum of the Good, Truth and Beautiful ("Wikipedia, The transcendentals (Latin: transcendentalia, from transcendere "to exceed") are "properties of being", nowadays commonly considered to be truth, unity (oneness), beauty, and goodness" ), to becoming the Alien this life or the next. And then maybe, "like shepherds of consciousness, tending its evolution across vast expanses of life and energy.... as they do to millions and billions of other lives and consciousnesses within the field of their awareness—as if it were the brightest, most valuable flame in creation." So, Godspeed and bon voyage on/in/as the River!

If aliens could make it here, wouldn’t it be highly likely they would have absolutely mastered the physical domain? Such that they wouldn’t crash land on our planet? Such an alien civilization with the tech to travel through worm holes and harness energy from stars would likely have been in existence for hundreds of millions of years. Maybe for them, flying by our planet would be like us walking by an ant and earth would be just another habitable planet out of a billion others that they could easily warp drive to. Also, if a civilization survives as long as required to master the physical domain, it’s more likely than not that they have transcended war and are peaceful. This idea that haphazard aliens are incompetently crashing on our planet and aliens are gonna come after us seems absurd af.

Have you guys heard about the whole “hostile alien space ship will come to earth by November” shenanigans

lol idk i felt kind of dumb. I saved it so i'll post it again Original post: I already know that the natural unfolding of God is imagining "expansion" (including all the change,etc.) for eternity. Everything that has ever came into imagination by it of this world, the universe, other universes, other dimensions, other minds, alien minds, the mind of an ant, human, tree, planet, mailbox in another dimension etc. (you get the point, everything) Really anything thats imagined by the "essence" to "exist" or "be" and all the layers embedded within all of it. I know its all coming from the same thing and human interpretation is whats coloring it in to be understood by a human lens and separating and categorizing things. But if you take it all away, then what are you left with? Void? nothing? possibility? The substrate of a mind that imagines things and realities? But what is the substrate of God? I'm still trying to understand "Why?" Why does it exist? why is there what it is and not other? or is that just being imagined by human mind? Why when i stare at my hands, why is that being imagined there by me? by god? If God is infinity, what is infinity encapsulated by? nothing? the things that are being imagined from it? If you take away all the imagination of god, everything in all forms/dimensions,etc., and you are left with nothing being imagined. what is that thing doing the imagining of all the things? And is that thing being imagined? No matter the content of what it imagines or the structure of how it unfolds, I want to know what that "vessel" or "essence" is . What is doing the imagining? where is "all things ever" spawning from? If you imagine an ever unfolding expansion of all things, including the infinite sea of things i am not aware of, what is doing the imagining and why is it doing it? Like why is the function of god to imagine infinity? Try to imagine the start of all imagination. If there is truly no end and no beginning to the imagination, then wtf is this thing and why is it? Why is the function of God to imagine things to infinity? Try to put yourself in Gods shoes. Where does it originate from? Why is it like that? I cannot get myself past the questions of why and where it comes from. where (where it started, how it started, if it even started at all, etc.) and then the "why". Someones answer might be "love, or for consciousness to become more intelligent, etc." But why? how do you even know that? How do you know youre not just trying to put something into human language to try and define it in a way you understand? If you took away everything and were just left with the void of nothingness, just pure god, not imagining anything. how can that actually be nothing if that same thing is whats spawning and birthing the imagination of everything? Like what is "that thing" thats doing it all? where did it come from, why is it? I hope I don't sound silly, I am genuinely just trying to grasp something that appears to be ungraspable. I'm trying to define it or understand it without diluting it just so I "can" understand it. I don't want my human experience diluting the truth of what it really is just so i can understand it.

Haha the mainstream understanding of philosopy. Yes primary insight aka direct experience is king because it is absolutely true. Secondary insights aka concepts about direct experience are always open for debate. I havent verified most of these claims in my direct experience yet but I just want to comment on these two: Well consciousness allows this to happen obviously. But it would be a limit on consciousness if it only allowed that to happen. You should also be careful with how you integrate these absolute truths, because we deal with relative truths in everyday life. Its good that we as a society dont allow rape, murder or other crimes to happen. Not sure what you mean by ego minds perception. All there exists are states of consciousness, if you think that all your experience is rendered by your ego, including mysical experiences, perhaps the experience of a cat, a tree an alien, 'free-love' , ... whatever then yes.

Great. When I reach Alien level you can hold me to that standard. Until then I guess you're just stuck with asshole old me.

Post here what's your thoughts on that. Let's say we all on this forum access what Leo calls "Alien Consciousness". What it means to think, feel, create and act like an Alien? Will you get more Money? Power? Fame? Sex? Satisfaction? Intelligence? Peace? Skills? Meta-Skills? I'm curious and open-minded. Why not?

Ever thought about how your Alien considers you? "I have encountered subtle beings in the higher-order realms in comparison to whom my consciousness is not much more evolved than the sentiency I find in my sofa. Their response to me is always loving, caring, considerate, and appropriate. They are like shepherds of consciousness, tending its evolution across vast expanses of life and energy. The light of my sentiency is like a shadow compared to theirs, yet they tend to it—as they do to millions and billions of other lives and consciousnesses within the field of their awareness—as if it were the brightest, most valuable flame in creation. This is the true implication of saying that everything is alive. We are each caretakers for the consciousnesses evolving around us, particularly those of lesser complexity and capacity than our own." - David Spangler, Subtle Worlds. An Explorer’s Field Note

What's the latest with our aliens bro's people? I've been looking around but nothing good so far. Ross blabing about speculative theories, Area52 nothing noteworthy of late and Jesse Michael brings on neuroscients speaking out his ass about aliens on psychedelics...😮‍💨. I NEED MY ALIENS FIX! But nothing good lately. At least Leo has a few new Alien books on his booklist keeping me occupied. I still can't make up my mind if any of this stuff is real or just mass delusion. I've been looking at this topic on and off since 2020. Everybody in this space has so many different weird and wacky theories but at least it's a source of entertainment on an afternoon off.

I'm sure that Leo believes what he's saying. I believed what I was saying too when I was valuing and identifying with solitude. But is it truly him loving solitude? Or is a way of rationalizing his own avoidant tendencies to himself by framing them more in the positive? I know from personal experience that it's possible to believe the former... but to have the reality be the latter. And if you didn't notice... he spends a lot of his time socializing on this forum. So, he says "I value solitude" to a group of people who values him and who see value in his pursuits... of whom he interacts with almost every single day. So, he clearly values social interaction. He just doesn't identify himself as someone who values it as valuing social connection is common. A pattern that I've experienced has been a strong identification and enjoyment of solitude... along with an attempt to make myself a rare person who is rare in quality and kind. But there is a pattern of using this to differentiate myself from other people as a way to feel "a cut above" others by "being the rare person" who enjoys solitude and who is aware enough to value things of a higher nature. It's like being a special and extraordinary alien living among the dull and dreary ordinary humans. And there's an ego boost that comes along with that tendency that helps one distinguish themselves from the "contemptibly common" qualities of the masses. But in my medicine journeys, I have recognized that there are deep patterns of disconnection that have come from years and years of differentiating myself from others... and conceptualizing of myself as alien-like in my divergences from the norm (including but not limited to a proclivity for solitude and the valuation of higher achievement and higher states of awareness... as well as an attempt to be a rare person). And this coping strategy has many boons to it. You really can reach to heights that most people aren't so interested in reaching. And so much potential can be realized in this hyper-individuation path. But it is usually borne out of first feeling different and alien in a bad way... such that one eventually embraces this difference and builds an identity of being alien in a good way. And while this coping strategy has many positives to it, it creates a sense of disconnection from other people, from nature, and from the universe at large. And one feels that one cannot belong without proving one's self special and divergent through rarity of identity. I see these same kinds of patterns playing out in Leo's M.O. from the way he speaks about valuing solitude. It reminds me of me. So, I can't simply take his statements around valuing at face value (especially since he spends a lot of his time socializing).

I enjoyed this contemporary conversation, perhaps quite a milestone for the average Jake Paul community members:

After a long time, finally I've tried a new psychedelic. So I'm happy to share the experience. I took a ginger tea before the experience and got an intuitive feeling of when I did enough digestion so that the come up and plug would be gentle. The initial come up is similar to mushrooms, yet it was more "pure", less background noise so to speak or messiness, it had this natural initial vibes and so it keep going up. What I discovered then is the spirit of the psychedelic. I don't know how other people encounter this but for me there are two types of psychedelics, one's which have a personality or spirit and others which dont. Without entering into too much depth and comparison, I totally felt that in the first 2h I was guided and in communion with what felt like the pure version of mushrooms and jungle/nature like energy. I'm aware that this is a fabrication of consciousness, as all of reality, but it's a nice experience, it felt loving and guiding. As the trip kept getting deeper, it was interesting to see that the mushroom vibe slowly drifted and the DMT vibe came more and more prominent, visuals went sharp, crisp, colourful and bright. At this point I was meditating and got into very interesting energetic spaces. I hadn't visually tripped for long, so I had to rearrange the visual dimension inside my consciousness and tapped into my hyperbolic alien mind. It felt like rearringing a room after quite some time without doing it or like solving a dancing 5D puzzle, that included: body, mind, energy, space, sound, light and consciousness. I felt my Mind interconnecting deeper and having synesthesia and other interconnecting phenomena. At this point I brokethrough into Universal Consciousness, which means that I become fully aware of all of Reality as Pure Consciousness and then it gets locked in this state-space. It felt nice and while I have access to this state both in other psychedelics and sober, 4-AcO-DMT gave it's unique flavour to this facet and I feel grateful for it. Having finished the work, I went to my computer and checked my personal word file of genius from all fields. It's so fascinating and nourishing to do this practice while tripping, my consciousness connected with each mind and walked through their whole psyche, like tasting an ice cream and then integrated and awakened parts of my brain. It's like mirroring neurons on steroids. I watched spiritual transmissions as well, which were very powerful to stretch my consciousness into new states and facets that I'm not tapping commonly. There really is no end into the variety and expressions consciousness can take, it's truly fascinating. My aim is to explore them as much as possible, what I call the domain of Conscious Experiences, with the final aim of making my consciousness mature in requisite variety and ever more Infinite. In this line, I truly find mirrors fascinating. I have come to the conclusion that the most mystical physical object that exists are mirrors. Literally, a mirror is pure reflecting consciousness, it's so profound that it brings me to tears just writing about it. We take mirrors so much for granted, and every time I trip... I'm just blown away by the power of mirrors. So yes, lots of inner work, balancing and self exporation happened. I liked the visual component (which in the past I thought as distracting) to be so useful in expressing the visual dimension of some face of reality or your psyche. For example, you can work with a trauma, but with a visual inducing psychedelic, you SEE the trauma, or you see parts of your brain, their inner wiring so to speak. The same with awakenings, you may have the insight, the energy, the state, the space, the consciousness; now adding the visualization of it makes it even more holistic. At this point, I was getting so conscious that my body started overheating and my nervous system was being taxed. I kinda cooled down, but it was quite intense, the gates in my mind and consciousness were open and everything was flowing, so I just brokethrough the limit of body resistance. It was very profound actually. Although after doing it, I still decided to bring grounding energy to make my conscious experience more whole and sublime. It's like being a chef in consciousness, you get to mold it and add more salt, or sugar, play with the tastes, shapes, spaces, feelings, etc. As much as your ability allows to. The comedown was sweet and very gradual, almost unnoticeable till it was evident. The interesting part was to see the progression of the substance, I really enjoyed the pure mushroom like come up, its loving spirit took me by the hand from baseline human consciousness into higher consciousness, eventually so we merged into selfless crystalline DMT space, unificating my whole consciousness and making it absolute. So absolutely recommend it, the duration for me is perfect, long enough to work but not jarring and exhausting. It's pure clear and stable, I like its workings and personality. 4-AcO-DMT is certainly profound and suited for Spiritual Work.

"For example, there is a thought-form of Jesus held and maintained by the thoughts and devotion of millions of Christian believers. Jesus to them represents a sacred figure to whom they can turn in prayer for guidance and help. A being such as a discarnate human teacher from the higher-order worlds may respond to such prayers or seek to contact a believer but is either unnoticed or rejected because he doesn’t fit within that believer’s worldview. However, if he “slips into” the Jesus thought-form and uses it as a mode of communication and contact, then the believer may well respond and accept the help that is given. (It should be noted that the “Jesus thought-form” is a template that can be used simultaneously by many inner beings, much as many people might buy and wear a particular mask on Halloween.)" David Spangler- Subtle Worlds. An Explorer's Field Notes. Alien Wanchutakka on the third planet of the star system of Zeta Aurigae probably doesn't get to see Jesus, but another archetype of the Kosmic Christ Archetype. And he gets to see the same love/light/compassion archetype (maybe with 6 arms), a powerful defence against dark subtle forces/entities/tricksters. And for the its all imagined and hence nothing is really serious/evil/threatening aficionados: The battle between good and evil is as real as everything else. Or as imagined as everything else. In other words, for the non-24/7 awakened that battle is very real & very serious & very threatening and dangerous. And even the more 24/7 inclined ones tend to take these appearing manifestations very serious and as quite real. Makes one more efficient in daily life, since ones worldview better fits the appearing reality-manifestation. The invocation of the energy/being of Jesus Christ (or a similiar energy and/or beings of love light, often called the Kosmic Christ) dispells these dark subtle beings and energies, and is known in various forms since the beginning of time. The ones who dabble into subtle and/or psychic realms (including psychedelic journeys) without protection and not taking these possible dark aspects/beings serious, and at the same time claim "its all imagined, nothing serious, no "real" evil here for sure" have the high risk to come back with some forms of influences from darker energies/beings/tricksters in various forms attached to them as leeches, manipulating them and leeching off their resulting negative energy (Spangler, Subtle Worlds. Field Notes Seventeen – Here be Dragons) ranging from increased self-inflation/self-importance to less-than-loving and compassionate tendencies concerning all the fallen human flock/negativity towards other beings/humanity some worldviews that ignore all of these dynamics stated above, and influences towards subtly twisted world-views some tendencies that are not really beneficual towards achieving or stabilizing Awakening/Compassion/Boddhichitta because of the resulting negativity, to put it mildly. "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist". "That you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." Matthew 5:45 Rolling Stones & the Devil(s) & Kosmic Christs appearing in the eddies of the River while... Selling Water by the River

I mean I like to think I am reasonably grounded - but I see fucken DMT entities, have had alien experiences. I even perceive thoughts that aren't my own picked up from outside sources - which I find verified in reality. I do not draw conclusions without a real knowing. But the strangeness and mystery is THERE. I think it is highly likely, prior to these historical figures, these light beings and profound experiences would have been viewed as ancestors. Which just points to perhaps consciousness enduring beyond death - conscious forms from the past that return from the absolute to provide a glimpse for us immersed in maya. 'Kinetic' consciousness returning to a 'potential' to be tapped into - the relative touching the absolute. With the technology of psychedelics - or just pure raw dogging meditation and contemplation. There is something to be learned from these figures of the past: the reality of being. They all sort of point to the same thing: that there is no greater mystery and wonder, awe and joy - than the NOW. And this is why we choose this experience. Wake up, remember...

Not sure if this has been discussed yet on the forum as the search function isn't working for me. But if you're not familiar there have been ongoing alien sightings and supposed attacks and abduction attempts in the Peruvian jungle. There are numerous interviews of locals online, many giving very convincing accounts. They report seeing alien beings hovering around, flying down into the jungle using what seems to be non-human tech. They're resistant to bullets and can have reportedly stunned and knocked people unconscious with some sort of laser or light weapon. This is a brief summary of the reports, feel free to google around. I'm not saying I'm totally convinced about the sightings, but based on the reports from locals, there is simply no rational explanation. Very strange, at the least. Anyway, two Americans, one of which is fairly well known within the UFO community I believe, travelled to the location of the sightings with the intention of doing much more thorough investigations, interviews and hopefully seeing the beings themselves. They have just finished their expedition and we're currently waiting for their findings in the coming days and weeks.

If one is to be really skeptical, one cannot think in terms of one being more likely than the other. From a completely blank state, both are equally probable. Jesus may be as uneral as an unicorn, from your perspective. So is Leo turning into a Grey alien.

😭😭😭 The double-standards. People will literally be skeptical of the existence of Buddha here, but if Leo said that he can turn into a fart, they will contemplate for weeks whether or not it is true Still waiting for "How to turn into an alien + LIVE DEMO" video😭 I am open minded to the possibility though, what do I have to lose? To judge that he can or cannot do it is pointless, you dont know and it doesnt affect you in any way.

This is the only forum where people will seriously entertain somebody claiming they can change into an alien on camera but are immensely skeptical of the effects of invoking the name of one of the most accomplished saints in history.

It´s cool, it´s amazing, but it is insane fucking insanity. Your being is way too high. And when you want to bring this back to your human form, it makes it a bit disfunctional. So I´d be very careful with this stuff. I don´t know what the consequences are. I don´t really want to think, what happens there, if you stay long enough there. So calming down and living from your human form is the best you can do. It´s not your ordinary psicosis or anything else. I would describe it so fluid and expressive this councioussness. But it´s fucking councioussness and I feel messing around and being Alien is really not something you want to undertake every weekend, heck even once a year, I really feel that the human form is not made for Alien Councioussness, because it is soo expressive. A bit like Marc Eschers paintings, that live, with moving staircases like in Harry Potter. Leo said he was a squirel, I was a Final Fantasy Anime Samurai Hentai God. I´d like to take my conclusion from this Alien Councioussnes, but first and foremost a looot of time, cause mistakes are inevitable.

We have to be very careful in how we define these terms. When we talk about Truth, what are we referring to? If we’re discussing concepts like God realization, ego submission (or loss), love, beauty, the mysterious dream-like nature of reality, and experiencing being rather than just thinking, analyzing, or strategizing, I would say all of these aspects are typically more aligned with what is traditionally considered “feminine.” In this context, they appear to be a significant part of the truth. As I mentioned earlier, many times when discussing these ideas, Leo responds with, "You need a higher level of consciousness to experience this," which is fine, but this isn’t the autistic, step-by-step, logical answer you'd expect; he said himself that it was only after several years of inquiry, experience, appreciating, and basking in God/enlightenment that it really clicked for him that God has a natural order and logic to it. My issue lies in how we often define masculine and feminine intelligence. It's often framed as smart versus dumb, rational versus irrational, or order/structure vs delusional. ๑ This is a tale as old as time, a pattern that keeps repeating everywhere ๑ Even Spiral Dynamics follows this very structure. You have an egoic, self-oriented, survival-aware, individual-based level, the masculine. Then, it shifts to a more communal, group-centered, world-aware level, the feminine. This is the core of these dualities. If you fail to acknowledge the intelligence in either of these perspectives, you’ll continue to hold a very distorted, biased, and ultimately invalid view of what masculine and feminine actually are. Chris Langan is a good example of how far you can get with pure, rigid, logical analysis and little to no spirituality or feminine embodiment. Don't get me wrong, he achieved a lot, but even Leo admitted that he wouldn't consider Langan to be God-realized, which is a fair point. Plus, I’m pretty sure Langan himself acknowledged that he was able to do his work because of his woo-woo experiences and lucid dreams, which he referenced while trying to explain his findings. Science, rationality, pragmatism, empiricism, logic, and systematization are what you get when you focus solely on those aspects of reality. That’s why ‘mystics’ and highly open-minded individuals, who weren’t afraid to explore the paranormal, undefined, and more 'chaotic', often ‘feminine’ parts of reality, were needed to make greater scientific breakthroughs. It’s also funny how liberalism is viewed here as a more progressive and correct view, yet if I ask some hardcore, masculine, grungy redneck, they'd say liberalism is for 'pussy beta cucks' and that you're not a real man if you hold that perspective! This means conservatism is seen as largely more masculine, not liberal; yet somehow, the feminine is considered the higher perspective? In fact, if an objective alien were to observe both from a non-partisan perspective, they’d probably conclude that conservatism feels more masculine, while liberalism feels more feminine. F: 'So, you had more mystical experiences with nature or God, right? You’re talking about feeling and intuition, and that led you to some aspects of truth, correct? You do realize that talking about things like beauty, love, selflessness, and transcendent reality is a very feminine thing, right? You’re talking about ego dissolution, going beyond reality and pragmatism, and seeing the other in yourself, love and connection.' M: 'Uh... No, no, that’s also masculine, because, uh… I logically inquired about all of this while I meditated on a rock alone, tough guy monk stuff! I don't care about those things, it's just the Truth, and it's masculine to value Truth, yeah!' F: 'So, if those things aren’t feminine and they’re not part of the feminine approach, then what is feminine intelligence and spirituality? M: 'Uh, new-age spiritual nonsense, delusional astrology... that’s it! Dumb chicks thinking they can manifest anything they want with the law of manifestation, duh! Just feeling and being a brainless bimbo instead of logically inquiring and deconstructing, yeah!' It’s like, when it’s convenient, the mystical, intuitive, and "dreamy" aspects are suddenly masculine because of the way they were 'logically' processed, but anything that’s labeled 'woo-woo' and retarded gets dismissed as feminine. Does that make sense? The distinction seems unfair and incoherent, not to mention other important elements I mentioned above. I feel like Leo and a lot of guys who agree with this view often underestimate how feminine much of what they’re saying sounds (and I'm not shaming that; I think it's awesome!). But let’s zoom out for a bit. If I brought in an objective alien or a random, non-biased human who has some vague idea of what feminine and masculine mean, and I showed them some of Leo’s posts, they’d probably think it sounds like some delusional manifestation talk chick, completely unrooted in reality, posting #LawofAttraction tumblr quotes. Hey, I’m telling you, you can imagine a unicorn! If you just manifest and wish for it, the unicorn will appear right in front of you! The highest beauty is selflessness. The highest beauty is that everything is an illusion. A lot of Leo’s videos were very much in the 'hipster' green stage spiritual realm, yoga guides, meditation. And a lot of them were titled with feminine themes too: 'What is love?' 'How do you express love?'" You don’t get the truth, you cannot prove the truth, you need to embody the truth, be the truth. You’re not in the right consciousness or frequency! It’s all a dream... nothing is real... I manifest/create my reality and self. Again, I’m not trying to mock, nor am I saying these posts aren’t true or meaningful. I just want to offer some perspective on the unfair bias and nitpicking that seems to be happening here. I hope I’m making sense. Please feel free to correct me if I’ve misunderstood anything 🤍

That alien looked like a human and was talking in English.

I can't believe I have to explain alien sex to you people.

@Iblitan You did not understand what I said. There's nothing more liberal than fucking an alien.