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Also the whole idea of the "true self" and the "false self" seems like another duality, under non-duality isn't the false self also the true self (or at least within it?)

Were the Greek gods just a concept or metaphor to allude to the divinity of all things much like in Hinduism and all their different gods? We know looking back that there are enlightened people from that time such as Heraclitus also with the Eleusinian Mysteries.

If we all agreed on everything perfectly= DEATH. Can't have that. When I became aware that conflict actually avoids death it blew my mind. Yes conflict can lead to death, but it's also an avoidance of death. How would you feel if you walked outside and everything you said and did....everyone agreed with? Then when you thought of something....someone said it out loud? It would completely destroy everything. This thing is so well done that even when you wake up it can pull you back in. I mean my sensory experience is that of duality and nonduality at the same time...and still if I got kidnapped and subjected to torture that would be one hellish experience for me. I have yet to master my consciousness to an extent to remove my awareness of all that pain. I admit I could still love them afterwards if they let me survive, but ummm I would avoid them like the plague and would have to spend some time working through that shit. But with that said it would depend what state of consciousness I was in, because at a high enough state that torture would feel like ecstasy. The Love of God is so powerful it can drive a human to suicide, its too seductive.

If you don't like the word love, you can replace it with caring. God is indifferent because God equally cares about everything. When you watch a movie the screen equally cares about everything that appears. So you can use care if you want. Existence cares about itself absolutely. You are attempting to separate yourself from separation. Attempting to separate yourself from separation is also a lie. Stop trying to escape!! LOL. You are trying so hard to escape. I'll explain what my experience is since you guys don't seem to get it. I experience BOTH separation and the lack of separation. Get it? Your whole life before enlightenment is just separation. When the boundary falls you experience BOTH. Nonduality INCLUDES DUALITY!!! It is just pointing to the fact that you are only eating one side of the cake, you can also eat the other side. That's why they use the before enlightenment chop wood carry water, then you get enlightened and you go back to chopping wood carrying water. Enlightenment is freedom because you realize you can look at life however you want. The only reason we push towards silence, is because the only truth is what is, and it doesn't need our conceptualization. But guess what? Conceptualization is actually play. We don't do it because it needs it, existence doesn't need anything. We do it because its fun!! We do it because...what else is there to do? There is nothing else to do!!! There is no reason to do anything, and that is the reason to do anything. God creates itself as a child, and is free to do what it wants and is socialized into being an adult, and then awakens and realizes it is okay to be a child. Do whatever you want. Regain your child-like imagination.

Leo, and guys, have you ever attended this conference? What do you think? Are you going this year? Leo, will you have something like this in the future? When are we going to meet you in person? Thanks for your feedback https://www.scienceandnonduality.com/sand18-us/register-sand18-us/

Some Spiritual Thoughts I have been I suppose exercising a nondual train of thought because I feel like I resonates with it me an my values and because of how much peace and empathy it has brought me. I want to describe that a little bit more here today using the context of my processing of the Palestinian genocide. I wouldn't say that I have experienced god myself. I've just been trying this thing out for the past 2 years where I have taken some of the interesting ideas I have heard from Leo and from my class Understanding the Self: Eastern and Western Perspectives in regards to what God and Consciousness is and how I can embody that more. Nonduality and Consciousness We are all part of one consciousness and there is no separation between my consciousness and the consciousness of others. There is this illusion of separation, of duality, because nonduality is all encompassing, meaning it also contains duality as paradoxical as it can seem. The consciousness I have is no different than the consciousness of a Palestinian infant who has lost their family and is the sole survivor. It's no different from the IDF soldier posting thirst traps on TikTok. It's no different from the bystander in Germany who is going about life as if nothing is happening and it's no different from the consciousness of a person in the U.S. who has family in Gaza. And I think embodying this thought more allows me to view everyone as more human and even if they are not human still part of the same on consciousness, thus opening me up to more empathy and understanding because in the end of the day, it is all me. I am not my name, my body, the things I own, the things I experience, or the things I feel. All of that is relative to my material conditions. When you strip everything away, I am the consciousness. And if consciousness is God, I am God. And if consciousness is everything, then I am everything. And when you see yourself in everything, you walk with much more gentleness and empathy than if you were to separate yourself from creation. God is Everything If consciousness is in everything and everyone, and consciousness in each person is God's way of experiencing reality and his creation from infinite perspectives, why does god create atrocities like genocide? It's because consciousness, unlike ego, isn't motivated by survival as it know it's infinite. God created the Palestinian mother who lost everything because it wants to know what it's like to live that life from it's very conception to it's very end to fully understand and embody it. It's also how God becomes/is all knowing, because God lives in all perspectives. It's hard for our human ego to imagine why God would let such atrocities happen and let creation suffer as so because even the best of us have great difficulty to abandon survival fully to where we would be content being bombed indiscriminately in the same way that it's content living in a luxury penthouse apartment. God's desire to experience has no bounds because in nonduality all there is is consciousness. and therfore it embodies infinite forms of love. And if God is everything and is infinite, meaning it is boundless, there is nothing stopping it from creating boundaries and challenges, and individual egos. God loves the mass shooter and wants to experience reality from it's perspective in the same way that God has boundless love towards the victims of the shooting. To love is to take the interest of another as your own and the deepest way to do that is embodiment. And because God is infinite love, it loves even the ugliest parts of existance that is hard for any regular person's ego to accept, much less embody. Reincarnation And the whole bit about how when we die and consciousness stops, there might be a void but since there is nothing else to do, God comes back and continues to experience and embody infinite forms of consciousness, I believe explains reincarnation as well. I believe that it explains reincarnation in a nonlinear way. I might be soos_mite_ah in this life but maybe in my next life I'll be Harriet Tubman. Maybe in my next life I will be born as my mother, my best friend, or maybe a random person 500 years into the future. God will eventually experience every life and then keep doing it tenfold for an infinite amount of times for an infinite duration of time. And this experiences how God is all knowing as well because God has experience every perspective. For example, I can crack open a history book and know the general life story of Harriet Tubman from the point of view that consciousness is experiencing from soos_mite_ah. When consciousness is experiencing Harriet Tubman, it won't know her whole life story from beginnning to end as it did in its past life it experienced centuries into the future. But it will know the day to day minutia and embody the experiences that Harriet Tubman had from birth to death and even the forgotten points in between. Consciousness is all knowing because it has experienced Harriet Tubman for example in everyway possible. Everything in linear time has already happened and is happening simultaneously. It just doesn't seem so because of the way consciousness limits itself to take everything in. I bring this up because I guess a nondual practice I have to experience more empathy is to imagine that everyone I meet is a different part of consciousness and that I have experienced or yet to experience consciousness from their perspective. The thousands of people who have died in Gaza are a thousand different past or future lives my consciousness has experienced. And I imagine it as if I am the one who experienced these first hand atrocities, one because on a certain level I have, but two it helps my ego exercise a nondual mindset. And if that empathy feels like it's too much to bear and that it's too painful and horrific, I remind myself that God wanted to experience this from a high level because God isn't as limited as I, the ego, am with the desire for comfort and safety. And this experience gives me a visceral experience of empathy followed by a sense of peace where even though I haven't embodied God's love, that I get it to a certain extent theoretically. It's very humbling and grounding I would say. The whole point of life is to experience and that is exactly what consciousness does indiscriminantly. And the more we align ourself to fully experience, the good, bad the ugly, and fully embody both being completely present to where we even accept the experiences we have where we're not present, the less resistance we face because we are in line with the one fact in the universe, that consciousness is everything and is here to experience everything. I really hope all of this doesn't sound like spiritual rambling.

So, I don´t know how this happened but I got seriously "spiritualy" triggered (if you can call it this) by last week video "Skepticism & Nonduality" which was posted on the blog. Once it happened I had to turn on the lights and go do something to distract myself because I experienced a change in perception (i got scared). In the minute 27:30 to 28:00 Leo talks about how when you doubt about fantasy and real world, you come to a point when you realize there is no real criteria to diferentiate between real world and fantasy. Well once he said this (he said it so fucking serious) , I suddenly experienced a change of perception, I suddenly got a "fear of perception"( that I like to call) which i tend to had sometimes when I used psychedelics the first time and I dont know what was happening (but was happening something that it seemed real but couldn´t be). I also had experience this a couple of times with meditation, but definetely in a much more "soft" way. Also, I dont know why but when I watch "mind-fucking" staff at night, I am a lot more sensitive to it, like a 400% more than If i have watched this video in the afternoon at 16:00. Well, something very similar happened this time, but luckily I was able to distract myself fast and turn off the video. I dont know what would I happen if I watch this on drugs (by the way, I had not taken anything recently, not even coffee :D) I want to congratulate Leo for this, holy shi** you are a great "communicator" of mind-fuck stuff dude. I can watch hundreds of related videos of spirituality etc and none of them has literally triggered me fear just "talking" in any way ever, this is something to be valued. Be advised to everyone else if you haven´t watched the video yet xD.

With my first post I'm basically saying that blue is blue and trying to disprove you saying that blue is green. I'm saying that 1+1=2 while you're saying that 500+500=2 or w/e else wrong mathematical equation. When you are speaking obvious truths, its not parroting. If I want to disprove 500+500=2, I use 1+1=2 and say lets multiply both sides of equation by 500, we get 500+500 = 1000 which most obviously is not 2. I am using a truth to uncover something false and call it out. That's not parroting, altho I am sure many have used the 1+1=2 equation before! I call out nondual parrots, because I know exactly how they speak and know the types of gurus and books or videos they learnt it from. No one will talk this way if they weren't introduce to nonduality and the information I have seen myself. Someone on this forum once called me "immune to zen devilry" or something of the sort. I like to think that is true. Maybe I called myself that! Doesn't matter. Things that are true on quantum level are not true outside of the quantum level. Don't worry mate your mother exists, she also has awareness and materialises the world around her on a quantum level if you will, without you seeing it or being able to acknowledge it. Same for me. You will just never know what you don't know and your ego has ran away with a deep nondual insight and claims to have the ultimate truth! Snap out of this spiritual ego trap, or at least look further, maybe I am not talking absolute bullsh`t.

Not at all, I welcome the conversation, I asked for it! I know where you're coming from and saying the things you're saying, im here to claim this is all because of a belief and not direct experience. You are saying I am awareness and not the bodymind organism! Ive been there. Ive witnessed and said things similar to you! Things are happening and there is no doer of them. But lets examine, if you forget about nonduality speech and what you've learnt from others, do you get thirsty now and then and drink water? Also, If you say you imagine drinking water, dont you need to have experienced something for real before you can imagine its taste and feeling? What im saying is , can you imagine (correctly) what it would taste like to eat something you've never actually eaten? Where is the basis of what youre imagining? How convenient is it that in my imagination im imagining a world that can completely be explained by laws of physics rather than being crazy impossible like people flying at will and transforming to whatever they like whenever they feel like it? How come not even a single hour of my life i havent imagined and gone through a wall? Please endulge me.

It's a thought provoking subject for me Can people that have achieved nonduality experience duality again? I have 2 views on this. 1. Like working out, when you stop you lose your gains. One would presume that achieving non duality and then quitting the practices that got you there in the first place would cause your ego to redevelop itself once again, slowly and then at once you would lose non duality, and fall back into duality. 2. But then the other side of the story would suggest that once you've understood it, there isn't going back, despite stopping spiritual practices, since its a reality that you've grasped and then it's something you can't forget, since you see it working through everything. i haven't the slightest clue as to which one to go with. Share your thoughts

I perceive solipsism as strong "bullshit" trap. I don't see solipsism as mystical or part of mysticism. I perceive it as one of the bigger traps for spiritual egos. Nonduality - yes, that's mysticism. I'll bring in a copy of my own circlejerkers here to help me out. Post by Dontaskme » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:06 am Another guy responds with: Answer:

And not the absolute truth?

Well there are two versions of it. There is the deepest realization that ends the dream and there is the less deeper realization that makes you fully lucid in the dream. When I ended the dream and returned a small amount of lucidity came with that but it actually took me time to raise that lucidity high enough that it became obvious it was a dream. The ending of it puts you in an empty void floating there. Then you realize what the void is. The lucid dreaming allows you to experience Nonduality as Oneness so you experience being both 1 and 2 at the same time. You also can consciously shift the experience to a dual experience and then to an experience of Oneness and you see how you were asleep and what makes you asleep. Then all the spiritual words make sense about you having to deny, and how all denying is bias etc. Basically your entire perceptual experience is that of NO seperation but from a state that is manageable from your perspective. But...you can always take the challenge of trying to raise your baseline to an even more intense form of Oneness as the experience of Oneness can get deeper infinitely.

and that ^ is how to go beyond nonduality, or any philosophy, for that matter I just need to become directly conscious of it.

I grew up Christian then quickly transitioned into atheism and became a pretty hard skeptic slowly transitioning to that we can't know anything. I did find nonduality in the past year or so and I just had this deep "knowing" that this is the truth despite my critical approach to everything before. I had all these experiences that showed it to me. Yet I always have these questions of "How do I know I can trust this feeling, these writings and teachings?" Nonduality makes logical sense but that isn't inherently evident that it is the answer yet I feel this feeling of just wanting to accept it. If I accept it as truth then I come off as indoctrinated and ideological. Especially when trying to explain it to people. One person would say "The kyballion is about as correct as elmo being God" How do I know and trust a mind that constantly morphs data and hallucinates what I see? My mind could easily trick me into thinking I "know" the truth.

Interesting expression, juxtaposed with love and light, this guy just goes straight to the business.

With the energetic practices/meditation that you describe one can generate states that are awakened and boundless/nondual. But as soon as the energetic practice stops, the separate-self Gestalt/structure "kills" the nondual boundless blissful state when it comes back after practice. One can literally feel it contract back in the head. Its like applying medicine to a disease. Relieves the symptoms, but not the source problem (separate-self contraction. Literally contraction, creating contraction/location/center in the head and body). There are practices that dissolve the separate-self-contraction directly (the root-cause, or the source problem, and not just its symptoms, no nonduality and lacking bliss), in a way that the whole flow of I-thoughts/I-feelings is cut off in real time fast enough (Trekchö in Dzogchen for example, certain Mahamudra practices), That (dissolving all me-thoughts/concepts and -feelings) fast enough in real time (needs a lot of training) then leads to dissolving the sensation of being centered in the body (the contractions and localizations), and also leads to "hard" nondual/infinite Awakened states (then also off the pillow in daily life), including the "solidity" of the "outher" world being replaced by mere lucid appearance hovering in infinite Nothingness/Reality/Ones True Self as expressions of it, "seeing itself". Without these two shifts towards truly nondual awakened states (loss of center and mere appearance instead of solid external world), most of the talk/writing about it is just wishful thinking and conceptual speculation. It is not just thinking differently, these are "hard" awakened states. Only in these awakened states can the real state of Reality be realized, and the separate self slowly dissolved. Without these hard awakened nondual states, there is only illusion/duality/separate-self, and no chance to really realize what the underlying nondual Reality beyond the illusion/ignorance really is. I have the impression that is an important point for you, since you are among the rather few that actually practice and not just engage in conceptual speculation, but in generating these awakened states. And I agree fully on that. I have written extensively about these practices of Dzogchen/Mahamudra. If that is done proficient & fast enough, the mechanism of creating a separate-self and a localization & center stops, and one has these awakened boundless/nondual/infinite states of Infinite Nondual Consciousness in daily life when getting up from the pillow. I can confirm this from my own practice. It is too good to be true. Yet, it is true, and at that stage of practice always available. From that basis and in these states, one can dissolve the last remnants of the separate self contractions/localizations/lenses of perception in the burning of ones own infinite and impersonal True Being. The contractions that were the separate-self/ego melt like ice in the sun. I can only invite to try these techniques. In my experience, they are way superior to any standard concentration/energetic sitting meditation/practice. Exactly because it attacks the root-cause, and opens up Awakened Nonduality States in daily life. Mahamudra uses extensively concentrative sitting-meditation and energetic practices (Tummo for example) in the beginning, but goes beyond it as soon as possible. Off the pillow. Water by the River Here a description of the practice system I mainly used: https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/92467-god-fucking-damn-it-another-meditation-rant-thread/?do=findComment&comment=1309816

Hello! This is going to be a very drug oriented post. Psychedelics are highly regarded as being capable of being tools for personal development and getting introduced into nonduality. My first experience of the nondual paradigm was on 1mg of LSD. An absurdly high dose. I was basically on the floor most of the time but during my come down it was pure bliss in which it clicked like a lightbulb that everything is one. I didn't know why. I just knew. It took such a high dose I think because I've grown up as a highly logical and connected person to my perceived reality. Although I don't know if autism has any role in that as I was told that I am a high functioning autistic when I was young, No idea if I was diagnosed. I also expressed many attributed behaviors as a child to this. But I digress. I stumbled upon DXM in OTC cough medicine soon after graduating high school and the idea of a dissociative intrigued me so I began to experiment. I ended up going into 3rd and 4th plateau territory in which you can perceive landscapes in darkness, tons of shapes and images. I remember visually seeing time come to a halt and seeing what I perceived as God. If you decide to experiment yourself after seeing this post, beware that high amounts of dissociation can be scary if you don't know how to handle it. Its also very habit forming. I had a bit of a problem for a little bit, but fortunately wasn't very hard for me to correct. Always do research! To the meat of the story: this one instance I decided to combine DXM with LSD. 300mg of DXM and about an hour in I took 500ug of LSD. I was also in a call with a friend for this. and OH BOY was it a ride. Its a very hard experience to recall. The first thing that happened was my mind went to heavily focus on the electrical sounds of my computer. Almost like I was tuning into it. It was then I knew I was in for a ride. Visuals and colors were cycling on everything I saw, the colors blended like a smooth gradient, the visuals like the tracers were SO intense that I felt like I could create my own reality as if my hand was a paintbrush. I remember perceiving the universe being built up from its most fundamental form up. It was as if LSD made me hyperfocused on my perceived reality but DXM was the key I needed to take my mind out enough to really let the LSD lead my mind. I remember talking to my friend about reality once I was able to get myself together to talk and I was in awe at the sheer infinite scale of reality and I just started laughing and said "IT JUST WORKS" A full near 8 hours stuck to my bed and my mind like pushed me off a cliff straight into nonduality at hyperspeed. It was this trip that meditation made perfect sense to me and I questioned why I was even confused by it. It was realization after realization. It shattered what I had thought before and I spent a long time after it just trying to fathom the knowledge I had received. This trip was also when I was shown Leo's video "The magnitude of reality" and was introduced to Actualized. This sole trip was what caused my entire paradigm shift unexpectedly when I kept doing LSD before to try and understand what all these guys on these psychedelic forums were talking about. Now it all made sense. So this has made me question. We see so much about psychedelics for nonduality purposes, but can dissociatives be a tool for such too? Has anyone had any profound experiences due to dissociatives? Maybe I just found the drug combination that worked for me? But still it blows my mind to see just adding a low dose of DXM what it can do for me that high doses of lsd was nowhere near close to doing. (I have no experience of 5-meo but DMT will be soon )

Okay, assuming you have had a spiritual awakening, you will know that there is only subjective experience, and no experiencer. This means that the entire universe is a self perpetuating, ever changing, infinitesimal moment in time that can be best described as pure consciousness. Since there is only one thing in the universe, and you exist, you have to be that thing, so you are the entire universe. And again, since there is only one thing in the universe, the statement "you are the universe" and "I am the universe" are equivalent. This line of reasoning is obviously begs many questions if you are coming from a dualistic paradigm. I recommend Fred Davis's YouTube channel. He does a really good job of addressing pretty much every objection to the claim of nonduality out there. He helped me understand this thing a lot. The second statement is pretty easy. I have been interested in physics, philosophy, and religion my entire life. Practically the whole idea of a "spiritual journey" is trying to understand the world from a fundamental perspective. If you study physics for any extended period of time, you will find that the specific things we see in the universe are emergent from a few underlying principals that all work together gracefully and perfectly. Noting the way mathematics not only is able to describe everything we see around us, but seems to be the only way to do so, as well as the fact that math is a field that again fulfills a few underlying principals to give us amazing ways to think about the world, I think you might be able to say that the way reality is structured is the only way it could possible be structured. And since the natural numbers are literally constructed from so called "empty sets", it may be logical to conclude that total nothingness implies this exact universe.

Just watched this youtube video featuring 3 people that are very very, intelligent. They discuss nihilism, but of course from a dualistic perspective. Many, many times they border on the possibility that all of reality is groundless, but that's never really explored... Well ya can't blame them, the only way to explore it is by drowning in silence Just as a disclaimer, I'm not trying to discredit these guys at all. I just found it fascinating that you could intellectually reach the edges of duality but nevertheless end up trapped. I suggest you check out more of Cosmicskeptic's stuff, though he is fundamentally one of those "Atheist channels" that seem to run contradictory to most of the stuff we do here at Actualized.org, the guy really does try hard to push his boundaries and you can see him questioning a lot of things including himself.

@Leo Gura Well, I can certainly understand that, as you have seen or even stood in the metaphysical 'Promised Land' from what I gather. But it will be nagging at me until I know if you actually understand what the Bible is communicating, not for the sake of any authority or spirituality, but in the same spirit of your Aztec Nonduality video. (Please abide the solipsism technicality jargon) In a sense, you can become aware of just how abused and disempowering this document has become on this planet, and how it is suffocating the spirit of so many. This is mainly due to ignorance of the symbols of the bible, leading to a literal historical reading of it. I mainly want to know, if you know that the Bible includes solipsism and that The One God(only thing that is existence) descends into human form? It is completely consistent with what you are describing from your trips! Is any of this surprising that such a widely regarded book is so deep and yet hugely overlooked and misunderstood! I just feel like I'd like the characters in this world to know about it when they appear again. After all, I still feel the quality of the food I eat in this perfectly detailed creation, and if you made a video on it, the world would be better off, to whatever degree that matters?. Millions of humans believing in a power outside themselves even though the book actually teaches the opposite, they even pray opposite of how Jesus taught! Surely this affects us at an ambient level while in this body living here! I don't ask that you treat the Bible as special(I don't, I simply see it as a surprisingly cool existential manual), but it seems like a relevant piece of this setting and the people around here. The thought that you have researched so thoroughly all these religions and so on and not found this out(possibly, don't want to sell your rigorousness short), would irk me to a limited degree! I mean, if Andrew Tate is important enough to cover, why not the hidden meanings of one of most importantly held books of our culture! Sorry to dump all this fixation on ya, I should at least thank you for all the consciousness videos you've made, a uniquely pure channel(in two senses of the word?), and it has changed my mode of being greatly ☄️??

@Leo Gura So, I've not taken any psychedelics other than 6 instances of Ketamine over many weeks for therapy, so I won't speak to higher levels of consciousness (which I have found your videos on very helpful and powerful, thanks for that ;D), but from what I've gathered, the creative power of God dwells in Man, and is accessible to us. I'm speaking of the Law of Attraction sphere, which I'm not sure of your stance on it, but according to my own testing and also the symbology of religious texts, our mind can interact and impress qualia onto the essential 'I AM' to have it reflect back as our manifest reality. Not to glorify it as the ultimate thing, but this can be a great way to fulfill long held desires, acquire what you want for your dreams and change your self concept. It was particularly fascinating to find out that the Bible was partly a manual for how to work this mechanic of existence. I don't know if you've done videos on the Bible, but it's a huge book in this culture that is totally misunderstood. The Bible covers psychology, mysticism and our individual nature as God because it is a (non-historical) veiled symbolic scripture! I saw your coverage of Aztec nonduality, but it seems a shock that the Bible is also Non dual! I and my Father are One. I suppose you could already know this given how much research you've done, but if you haven't done so already and decide you want to cover the meaning of this contemporarily relevant book. I'd be fascinated by your video on it! I learned it from Neville Goddard and Bill Donahue (myth decoder guy, not the catholic org leader). Neville in particular experienced mystical visions related to Biblical scripture. Forgive me if you already knew this. I think this information is a practical 'everyday' tool that can help bridge the gap between God Consciousness and Human Consciousness. For instance, the Garden of Eden = Subconscious, Noah's Ark = Mind, Ark of the Covenant = Human Body, Cross = Human Body. There's also all the numerology in the Bible that is meant to symbolize things, too much to information to appropriately fit in this forum. I just have to know if this is already a piece you've considered in all your research or if this information is of help! Please let me know what you think.

i did not see this coming...

I have no idea.

I agree i mean i haven‘t seen his instagram but he seems too gimmicky and always with these catch phrases i watched a few videos about him yesterday, don’t know if he can be considered black also i watched some discussions recently which included black people about nonduality, but don’t remember what they were called