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Leo how do you know alien mind is the same as the mind of extraterrestrials? I watched his last reel on Instagram, and I was a bit confused about this.

I dont have any that Im sure of, because im not sure exactly what was the time when that insta post happened, but we can consider the other bullet points that were mentioned by Carl and decide under which hypothesis all of those facts are more expected. The Leo having a random suicidal low on a spiritual path or the Leo having psychotic symptoms one. (or people can provide additional hypotheses or you can also claim that you dont want to explain those other facts yet you only want to claim that the insta fact is explained by him being on a spiritual journey) We can extend the timeline and see that Leo has been claiming to be the most conscious on the planet for years now , claimed to be the standard of epistemology (3-4 years after the insta procedure) and he still demonize and undermines everyone who disagrees with him on the stuff he cares about , and he still havent backed off from claiming to be able to turn into an alien on camera (desptie never being able to show proof of that despite trying), previous to the insta stuff he had to be extremely pushed to slightly walk back his claim about awakenign being able to heal you completely and solve all of your problems (im pretty sure that in that video , he mentioned that he will try to heal humanity and stuff like that, because he thought he will be able to do that). And note again about the healing and problem solving claims that the main issue isn't even necessarily that he is agnostic on those claims (because he is not), the main issue is the absolute/extremely high certainty that he outplayed during the times he made those claims and then being reluctant to walk back the claims or to significantly lower his credence about those claims when he is pushed on them. The same goes for him making claims about how conscious other people are and how he must be more conscious than everyone else - you can look through the links of just this post and think about how much of this is easily explainable on your hypothesis about him just having a spiritual low - and also im curious about how long you want to extend the timeline for that hypothesis. I think this was also during or close to the insta period, where he banned a bunch of people and threatened one of the banned person that he will kill him if he wants to corrupt his teachings which in practice just meant disagreeing with Leo on spirituality and disagreeing with Leo being the most conscious person on the planet.

That doesnt target the issue that I outlined, because the lack of responsiveness and acknowledgement was related to a different argument that you made and responded to. This is the general problem with how you do things: You see this and then this is your general approach: " Okay, so you are telling me that having insta images of playing with a guy and implying that he is so close to unalive himself is sufficient to establish psychotic tendencies? Really? - dont you think I couldnt find some guys who do that and then live a completely functional and normal life? " And then someone tells you that that wasnt the whole argument and then you continue with: "Okay, so you are telling me that claiming to be able to turn into an alien on camera and never being able to show proof of that despite trying is alone sufficient to establish psychotic tendencies? Really? - dont you think I couldnt find some guys who think that or joke about it while they live a normal life? " And then someone tells you that that wasnt the whole argument and then you continue with: " Okay you are telling me that someone claiming to be the most awake person in existence alone is sufficient to establish psychotic tendencies? Really? " --- No, you take all of those things into consideration together and given that conjunction of factors you can still disagree, but be honest about what argument was given. Edited just now by zurew

Having issues with Leo's behavior and ethics is comaptible with thinking that he is a smart and intelligent guy. He gave you more than just that , but you curiously havent responded to those other things and you havent taken into account those other things - when it comes to him trying to establish the point that Leo has psychotic tendencies. He even gave you bullet points there. See, this is why I think you are not approaching in good faith. You respond to 1 thing from a list of things and you make it seem like you managed to address all the points or that someone's original point was just about that one particular thing that you picked out and responded to. You see this and then this is your general approach: " Okay, so you are telling me that having insta images of playing with a guy and implying that he is so close to unalive himself is sufficient to establish psychotic tendencies? Really? - dont you think I couldnt find some guys who do that and then live a completely functional and normal life? " And then someone tells you that that wasnt the whole argument and then you continue with: "Okay, so you are telling me that claiming to be able to turn into an alien on camera and never being able to show proof of that despite trying is alone sufficient to establish psychotic tendencies? Really? - dont you think I couldnt find some guys who think that or joke about it while they live a normal life? " And then someone tells you that that wasnt the whole argument and then you continue with: " Okay you are telling me that someone claiming to be the most awake person in existence alone is sufficient to establish psychotic tendencies? Really? " --- No, you take all of those things into consideration together and given that conjunction of factors you can still disagree, but be honest about what argument was given.

Alien has a few meanings - strange or unknown. Pertaining to extra terrestrials. Coming from a different country, place or group.

I think the way I understand an "alien" mind is that it simply means something far outside human cognition, so far beyond our normal way of thinking that it feels alien or foreign to us. Whether actual extraterrestrial beings that visit us, or that we visit, would be much smarter or much dumber than humans is a separate issue that is currently unknowable. That uncertainty does not disprove the existence of "alien consciousness." You could also describe it as "otherworldly" or as "a form of consciousness so foreign to you that it lies beyond the perspective of human ego".

Wrong Leo recognized me as superior being of light. I've had breakthrough beyond alien mind

Insta images of playing with guns seemingly under the influence while later implying he was "so close" to deleting himself. Claiming to be able to turn into an alien on camera, never being able to show proof of that despite trying. Claiming to be the most awake person in existence. There are some posts on the forum I did not include in the Leo thread because they were so disturbing and simply sad and clearly indicative of some mental crisis (it did not seem proper to group it with his other behavior). That day was somewhere in late 2022 - early 2023. That we are honestly discussing whether some dude is the most awake person in the universe is dark. That people are defending unhinged personal attacks and threats, even when they were condemned by the leader himself, is dark. Whether or not it becomes a literal Manson situation is not much of a concern of mine to put a number on. It only takes one thought anyway.

Yeah I dont think that he backed off from him having the ability to become an alien in front of the camera yet or at the very least clarify that he is agnostic on that claim. Interesting that in the past , @AdeptusPsychonautica was needed to push Leo to walk back his claim about awakening healing you and it solving all of your problems Although he quickly switch back and makes a bunch of other claims.

Only you can know you are God via direct experience. Only God can know God. And no, this is not a cult. Just don't drink the Cool Aid at the retreat. Just joking with you, don't take life so seriously . When you awaken to infinite consciousness, it feels very alien, but it also feels familiar.

Alien Intelligence, baby https://www.threads.com/@leogura1/post/DZgBI7VD-Ve?xmt=AQG0CuMFDeIijpW6_7UiY0NcIrHF3LbNFdaOMmLWyDDi9xGmDmvlvKvO555yTC6DQ_OpSBY&slof=1

The first video, sure, but if you're referring to the Paul Gilbert video, the only "pause" I could identify was when he paused to create the loop. Other than that, there wasn't much space, and it was pretty much running up and down scales throughout the entire video. Paul Gilbert would actually be a common target of your critique, maybe only less than Michael Angelo Batio. Anyways, jazz fusion players (which Shawn would be classified as) tend to have less space in their playing. More classically or blues inspired players like Paul or David Gilmour bring a different cultural background. I remember feeling similar to you when I first started listening to jazz fusion players, but it's like learning a language. At first you might not understand it, but over time you get used to it. What jazz fusion sometimes lacks in accents and dynamics it makes up for in melodic, harmonic and sometimes rhythmic complexity. Allan Holdsworth is the perfect example. It's like listening to an alien the first times you listen to him. As for Paul Gilbert and Shawn Lane, here is a bit of a funny video I listened to, if not yesterday, only a few days ago:

Boy, girl and in-between Cut from a laser beam We seek a new vibration (Alien nation) Forget our parents' name Synthesized to be the same Nothing will never change (Alien nation) Lonely but never alone Tethered to a fake friend phone Record this conversation (It's a simulation) Black Friday cyberattack Freeway fracking, sky is cracked Sing with the congregation (Alien nation) Fly down the inner state Self-care, self-hate One-sided conversation (This is information) We're goin' off the grid We're blowing off the lid We're way beyond salvation In the- (alien nation) Between the God of love (Alien nation) And the God of lust (Alien nation) In the crops they burn (Alien nation) A circle of trust (Alien nation) The flight's delayed (Alien nation) For the prophet's spoken (Alien nation) Put all your hopes and all your dreams in the machine And the machine is broken The machine is broken The machine is broken The machine is broken I return to all my enemies all the pain they would like to or could have 'cause of me I return this evil to them with love, in the name of the alien nation Alien nation, alien nation, alien nation Alien nation, alien nation, alien nation Alien nation, alien nation, alien nation Alien nation, alien nation

@zurew That is fair, I recall him admitting he was wrong about the camera. But, not the Alien state of consciousness. Umm, I don’t know. If I knew nothing about someone and was shown only a small amount of context especially the negative I’d probably view it negatively. For example, I view teal swan negatively but I know little about her. @Natasha Tori Maru That’s fair, and good job in those circumstances. I’ve been on the forum for years and rarely share that. I wouldn’t make it 10,000 plus posts if I was the kind of person to fly off the handle. It’s very rare, and I felt I could put that energy into my long and nuanced post. You aren’t better than me for not showing anger in those circumstances. Anger isn’t bad. Have you ever told someone to fuck off? Sometimes this is a good way to about something. It’s rare, and I would never do it without broader acknowledgement of a generalized respect. I’m also a man, and not a woman. And, at work I wouldn’t speak like how I may speak to people generally on this forum. Survival of course and context is relevant to how I choose to express myself. In my field telling someone to fuck off, can make you closer to them. I work with men and my work is dangerous and we depend on each other.

What do you mean? @UnbornTao was specifically asking for video evidence there and Leo responded to him. Do you think Leo makes a difference between turning into an alien and between turning into an alien in front of the camera in his reply there ? Look: But regardless, I havent seem him admitting anywhere that he was wrong about it and at best you can only say in light of the linked thread, that Leo didnt respond to the video stuff that @UnbornTao was asking about there (under the most charitable interpretation of Leo's reply you can possible go with there - if you want to maintain your position that Leo didnt make any additional claims beyond his initial claim about him having an ability to turn into an alien in front of the camera)

Dude, what are we expecting from a guy who was gonna become an alien on camera...

@zurew Yes, I wanna cut through other peoples opinions ultimately. It’s important to do so, and you bring up lots of strong points to consider. Adding me to a list? Fuck off. Actualized should be deconstructed and questioned because if not it is a trap. 🪤 Even if not like intentional or malicious, cult like following of actualized should be questions and brought up. Claims like being the most awakened thing is the universe should be red flags to everyone. As well as Leo being an Alien, or whatever. Leo’s tendency to stand and tell people if there trips are accurate or not. All these things are murky and should be questioned. But, at the same time, anger is there for a reason. Sometimes it has to cut through. But, should be reflected on if it’s a deception mechanism. As a general rule, and to forum guidelines I don’t lash out like that. But, sometimes I express it. I’ve been here for a long time. I know I can be held accountable to swearing. But, also I choose this time to allow that expression. Whatever is true, is true. That’s a good thing I think. 🤔

During my initial awakenings, I observed sacred geometry and symbols resembling alien code, ancient Hebrew, and glyphs. In deeper states, I perceived the fabric of reality as perfectly interlocked, holographic yin-yang symbols. These emitted a sound similar to windchimes as I moved through them, appearing like a curved holographic screen. My latest awakening, which prompted me to come across Leo's videos while researching Solipsism, revealed a futuristic transistor or node rendering physical matter through my consciousness. I also saw wavy fabric-like holographic grids. I am curious if others have experienced these how they would define them before the memory fades.

The day the Earth stood still. War of the Worlds. 2001: A Space Odyssey Planet of the Apes. The Omega Man. soylent green. West world. Tron. Star man. The Andromeda Strain. Logan's Run. Silent Running. the black hole Extra-Terrestrial robinson crusoe on mars Brainstorm Forbidden Planet Moon Contact Alien Star trek Daryl The explorers Blade runner Predator Total recall The running man Flight of the navigator Robocop First Men in the Moon The Time Machine Escape from New York The Thing Starship Troopers The blob Oblivion Vanilla Sky I, Robot westworld series fallout series Dune The Last Starfighter

In The Middle I'm at the point of my mid 20s where I just feel unsure of myself and of life. I generally have good healthy habits mentally, emotionally, financially, physically, etc. I have a decent job even it isn't my desired career. I am capable of making friends and maintaining relationships even though sometimes life just happens. I think in most metrics, I'm doing really good in my life but it doesn't always feel like it. I remember around my 20th birthday feeling this rush of anxiety around starting my 20s because people put so much pressure on this being the best years of your life. To cope, I read a bunch of books an articles titled things like "things I wish I knew in my 20s," "regrets I have in my 20s" or "things I would tell my 20 year old self now that I'm 30." I studied those articles and I made sure to avoid common mistakes and establish good habits early on. In a way, I wanted to optimize my 20s so that I would meet my full potential. I don't think that period was all bad. At 26, I can say that I avoided common mistakes and established healthy habits. I did outgrow this notion of needing to optimize my 20s and reach my full potential (whatever that means lol) because I no longer see life as an equation or problem to solve rather it's something to experience with all it's imperfect moments and that a lot of the memories and life lessons come from things that are side quests of sorts. I have over the years have gotten much more gentle on myself (though I still have a long way to go) and I have embraced the notion that while it's wise to learn from other people's mistakes, that I'm going to make some on my own and life is like a self-selecting curriculum based on your quality of consciousness and your decision making. But I think my mid 20s comes with another kind of anxiety. While I have a good set of habits, sometimes I wonder if I'm doing enough because I don't yet see the results of these long term habits. I have committed myself to long term goals, but I'm not sure exactly where it's leading. I'm doubting myself and my path. And then that yields to me looking and comparing with the results of other people. I have written about this in other posts: I think another issue that arises with relatively ambitious and put together people in your mid 20s is that you and similarly minded people can have vastly different experiences usually due to life circumstances, the cards they were dealt, what makes sense in their lives, or hell, sometimes it's down to luck. The way I think of it, I think of it as you and your friends planting a bunch of seeds at the same time. You all water the plants the same (or specific to the type of plant you have) and you put them in the same soil. But none of the plants grow at the same rate in your garden, and definitely not at the same rate compared to other people's gardens. Sometimes it's the plants you didn't particularly care for that shoot up but the plants were looking forward to harvesting is stunted. And it's not the fault of your gardening abilities and it's not the seeds, sometimes it's just timing. I would say that my garden consists of the career/ education plant, the romance plant, the friendship plant, the hobby plant, and the personal finance plant. The career plant is growing at a slow and steady pace and it shot up a while back. The romance plant is growing much more and much faster than expected. The friendship plant, the plant that I wanted to flourish the most, is pretty stunted. The hobby plant is just fine. And the personal finance plant is growing pretty strong consistently. Weirdly enough, according to my values and where I put my time and attention, I would expect the romance plant and the personal finance plant to not be as strong, but the way that life has taken me, those ended up being my strongest plants because the growth of these plants weren't due to the extra attention I gave them, but because nature decided it was the season for these things to flourish. That poor little friendship plant depresses me. I'm sure with the way that I care for all the plants that in the long run, my good habits will pay off and all the plants will even out or have their season of flourishing but I don't have the life experience to put that into perspective just yet. So now, my good habits and my tending to these plants feel like I'm putting in effort to the void, wondering if they will ever pay off. In other words, my mid 20s feel very mid. It's not as exciting as the early 20s where I'm starting all these new things and I'm not at the end of my 20s where I'm seeing the longer term reprucussions of my current life style or habits (for better or for worse). I feel like I'm in the boring middle where I'm just doubting things. The above video made me think of various TikTok sounds and then I remembered the *Into the thick of it* song. I searched it up and for the first time listened and watched the original piece the sound came from. I feel like the little pink alien is part of my psyche that is trying to be positive about my efforts. The moose is my existential crisis (maybe there is no path and maybe there will be nothing at the end of all this so I should be more intrinsically motivated with my long term habits).The blue penguin is me doubting myself and is thinking I'm going in circles. And the purple kangaroo that keeps getting whacked (and then eventually dodges the leaf that's doing the whacking after encountering it multiple times) is me trying to learn from my poor little friendship plant that isn't blooming lol.

@Wilhelm44 I talked about this earlier, being God in essence is different from being a living God. You have human limitations and if you repeat that you are God too much, you get a God complex, when you can't even pay your bills, can't make a pen float, don't even have a small level of intelligence compared to the infinite knowledge of God, because you can only see from your eyes, not from the eyes of some other human or some alien or whatever. So saying your God can easily lead to spiritual narcissism. Having less ego means also admitting you have an ego, body, mind and are limited by that till it dies, your not even close to being God, forget about what you are in essence, you are in this life very much limited, maybe maybe if your body dies can you say your God truely as you come truely back to yourself, but then there is no one to say it or speak it or to say "I am God" as that person/body/mind/ego whatever you want to call it is dead, not fake spiritual death, but REAL death, mahasamadhi.

Indeed, J What humans think of as “knowledge” and “sense of self” are actually just cultivated glimpses of their alienation, which is suffering. The detachment from truth feels alien. One cannot be attached to truth either, same problem because there’s no separation there at all. This artificial separation once recognised is the end of suffering and knowledge both. What’s left is pure nakedness.

I was joking about nobody wanting us. I'm actually more optimistic about humans than most. Our potential is much more profound than super intelligent AI. I'm willing to bet that most people on this forum, including yourself, actually have some alien DNA. Scoffing at humans is what happens when you immediately dismiss something like remote viewing as wookie. The Monroe institute is pretty well respected in this regard, and probably worth checking out.

I am not sure if Tarion is talking about intelligence here when he talks about smart (haven’t watched the video), but try becoming so intelligent that despite being charismatic as hell and having lots of people in your life, yet feeling more lonely than you have ever felt in your life, because people feel like alien species to you that don’t even speak the same language. Try develoing such emotional and empathetic intelligence that you feel the pain that other people’s unconsciousness creates for themselves.

Meh. Not great but okay. Ironically, I was okay with The Martian. Not great but decent. Far better than Riddely Scott's trash Alien sequels.