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that's why I only have few friends in fact now that I m clear with my way. I have no time for 10 relationship. the more you got, the more hollows they are aswell just what I observed on me. and with girls, one is already taking me too much time. When I would use my time to makes music and all sort of things if I was around 2-3 girls ? and I need aswell true dedication, a girl who fucks around and stack MST is not my thing, I cannot accept to share emotion in her mind with thinking about the others guy who fucked her yesterday. I need aswell someone worth to trust and that I could totaly be vulnerable with. with friends I m the same, loyal and trustful. and I hope for the same. I m not really into pick up life dedication is not a disease, it is bliss and true passion, the only way to accomplish solid things long term. when you'll one day be 30y + you will hardly have any solid relation with anyone. of course fix my love in a few range that I call "family" is dangerous, but having no solid attachement, then no family, no deep spirituality. depend what you call spirituality, of course people bother me etc.. it takes work to keep real relations but I m not sayin your way are wrong, you should just not believe that "family" is a thought story, it's just one of the main aspect of the metaphysical aspect of reality. Even monkeys have a sense of family and fixed relation ( especially for rising a child, but still ).

God wins both ways. It is a joke really. If you consider yourself as separated self you Will create awesome story for God.If ego is smart and wise and more connected to the heart it Will annihilate itself faster. End is always the same merging with as God in full glory before or after death of apparent body it doesn't matter really. Problem with humans is that we developed ego, plants rocks animals do not have this virus. They live in absolute bliss all the time.

Cool, you guys' replies match with a lot of my own realizations. I delved into the Bible a bit, there are clearly some non-dual teachings there. ("Take no thought for tomorrow, tomorrow will take care for itself.") It looks like these people (as we all do) had some traumas from their childhoods that got released as they prayed to Jesus. Hence the saying: "I'm saved!" That's my theory for now. @mandyjw So you're saying enlightenment doesn't gurantee "Infinite love" like Leo says? How can Jesus be deeper than Buddha? When I had my awakening it caused a bliss and a sense of Unconditional Love for everything and everyone. How could it go any deeper than that? (But then again, hearing some of the stuff that happens when people take 5-Meo DMT, anything could be possible, lol.) There's also Christian mysticism which I think is the optimal way. I have a theory that Christians have a "Born again" experience, which is great, but they stop there. They just stop growing spiritually. I know a guy in my town who is "Born again" and now he just wanders around town, condemning anyone who isn't Christian. Yes, you can have mystical experiences, but you can interpret them in a way that is completely counterproductive and can even set you back. I'd say having a Born again experience is a Stage Turqoise experience, while becoming a Fundamentalist Christian is a Stage Blue perception of that experience. Just like with any other religion. @ajasatya You're right. Gotta go back to my"meditation cave" and find the Truth for myself

I’ve taken mushrooms, MDMA, weed and 10 day Vipassana retreat. No doubts, MDMA was the most beautiful experience. It’s pure bliss and love. Couldn’t imagine what 5meo reveals. But saying that, the biggest impact on everyday life is after 10 day Vipassana retreat.

First of all, when i thought i couldn't get surprised cause i knew it all theoretically, Leo's came with this gem of a video and kicked my ass, having a hard time swallowing it all, this has many consequences. So, congratulations Leo, you are inspiring. 1. What stops some fully enlightened being from fully drop his body dead like how we change a shirt? Why do they keep going after seeing that it's all meaningless, an illusionary survival game? What about some people that DO reportedly left their bodies during/after enlightenment experiences? How about the enlightened masters that decided to just sit, and meditate into bliss until their body dropped dead? 2. How do i escape from it since the ego doesn't want to die and getting enlightened and seeing the illusion means death to the ego? 3. What about affirmations, visualizations, and techniques that make the ego stronger, how can i use them and do self-inquiry at the same time, this isn't contradictory? 4. Does that mean i have to ignore all emotions and thoughts if i want to achieve anything that doesn't make my ego comfortable with like creating a habit like meditation/self-inquiry or trying to fulfill my life purpose?

The fallacy here is in the definition of God that you are currently making up. That definition doesn't correspond to anything close neither to your own direct experience nor to an open minded thought experiment. That is why this creates all this confusion and frustrations. We need to be extremely vigilant on the word 'God', it's meaning and consequences before starting flinging it at everyone's face like Oprah's EVERYBODY GETS A CAR!! Let's look at it this way. The Absolute is undefinable. Anything that can be said about it, is not it. You are that Ultimate Reality. Plain and simple. No buts, no questions asked, nothing more or less. It's the proclamation upon which all nondual text relies upon. Now take a look at God. God is that Absolute WITH a bunch of definitions such as omnipotence, omnipresence, existence, consciousness, bliss, all powerful, all merciful, infinite will, the creator, sustainer, destroyer of the universe etc so on and so forth. Now Leo might send me into exile from this forum if I say this but guess what... You are NOT this God. The ultimate pointer is You are the Absolute prior to this God(with definitions). You are the Absolute that makes it possible for such a God to appear in the first place. Now this might bring in a serious argument that how can it be non-duality if 'I' as Absolute remain separate from God, World etc. So are there multiple absolutes now? The answer is no. When the Absolute is directly realized, all ideas of God, world, subject, object, consciousness, absolute etc become null and void. The absolute is absolute. Non-duality. And it can't be talked about. So the bottom line is, the God that has the infinite power to manifest 10000 chicks and living comfortably in a mansion(lets say there is such a God), YOU ARE NOT THAT GOD. You are the Absolute Reality that makes it possible for such a God to exist and do his/her shit. That is why you can't manifest 10000 hot chicks. That is God's power, not your power. Your truth and reality is even deeper and prior to that God. You are the Absolute. When you realize that, then there is no God, world, subject, object, 10000 chicks and a mansion left

Be careful holding nirvana as a separate from form or samsara. From God's POV they are identical. So if you imagine nirvana as a formless realm of pure emptiness and bliss, that is true, but that is also incomplete. That's only one side of the coin. The other side is manifest relative reality. So to say that "God gets bored" simply means: a state of pure formlessness is unstable. It cannot stay that way because it bursts forth with infinite creative force. It must explode into infinite manifestation. Of course all of this happens instantly, prior to time. Is already is, always was, and always will be. That is true, full, nondual Nirvana: formless and formed forever as one.

You are going through a phase. Its inevitable. The old has to die for the new to come. Dont worry, you'll get your peace, bliss, love and all that good shit when you make it to other side. Spirituality is serious business. If these ideas are entertained seriously, your 'insides' are literally being rearranged and processed. So expect some(or massive) hiccups. One cant stay the same.

@Rilles if it was a true experience when he fully integrates back into his ego the ego will feel the backlash. He could remain in a state of bliss for weeks though, just depends.

Yes the Ego is so Total in its self deception than it cannot perceive or comprehend non-existence. It fears it. Even though non-existence is happening right now - right on top of existence. It fears death, which in reality there is no such thing - you are Infinite right now - you cannot escape yourself - (or infinity) because you are actually God/Infinity as a part of Infinity/God or a part of itself. Consciousness minus the ego/formed is Absolute Infinity - if is formless. It is Being. There are no dualities or distinctions there. There is no survival or non-survival. So if you meditate and do self inquiry and other techniques long enough a mystical experience will occur and you will become only formless. You as the ego shall dissolve. You will no longer be the ego. And you will experience Being as Being. This is the ultimate Bliss. Better than a heroin high. Anyone out there who has not had a mystical experience after years of this may want to ponder using pyschedelics as a tool to speed the process. This was a lengthy reply but i felt the question needed a lengthy explanation.

I used to love breathing meditation, and engaged in it with a lot of reckless intensity. IT seemed to yield great benefits, especially in the moment experiencing euphoria and also working through blockages, finding depths and heights of beauty and intensity. At one time I referred to it as "getting high on your own supply". At times I would notice that in a way my behavior was not that much different than an addicts, and I would experience anger and resentment at anyone or experience blocking my ability to experience this. Eventually my breath openened up enough to stay open, and my breath stayed big and full for years. You notice many strange things, and find strange experiences like explaining to your boss that you actually can't wear your pants tight, and that is why your clothing looks sloppy. Your breath is that important. It yielded great benefits, including eradicating fears and behaviors that had I gone through conventional means never would changed, it's like I became a new person. Now during intense deep breathing(the way i always did it, the closest thing would be the wim hof method, but without holding your breath, just continuing the deep breathing as often as possible, while watching the flow of feeling energy moving up and moving it through everything it seems to be blocked by, even all day if you can.) there were times my whole being resisted it, and some kind of inner "knowing" said that it was just part of my psyche trying to prevent the ego death etc, or fear of going through the really deep emotions. While that may be true, I can help but think also my body was worried about like some kind of nerve damage. It turns out, I do now have a lot of unatural feelings in my body, mostly in my face and heart, that feel odd enough that I wouldn't be suprised if they were some type of nerve damage. I have not done serious breathing work in over a year, and I find this yearning and desire to get back into it again. It is true that the breathing itself makes the symptoms feel much better, but am I like burning my nerves out here or something, am I getting pleasure now at the expense of nerve damage later? I haven't gotten into it again yet, but when I have gone into my breath somewhat lately, it isn't like it was years ago, it isn't crazy intense bilssful light colored movement, its just kinda full clear breath but sort of normal and no beautiful intense energy there. Theres not really anythign visual to go with it, not lights etc. Is this justr because I haven't gone deeply into it enough again? There is like this reluctance to go deep into that again, and I;m trying to figure out if this is a wise or unwise reluctance. for me its not as though I sit and do breathing excercises for 10 minutes, I end up doing it all the time as I do other things, ideally walking. Anyone who knows a lot about this have any thoughts or insights? Should I go back into breath full force, am I now past that, did I do damage, etc. Another caveat, it is possible a lot of the uncomfortable sensations are just known more during this time of deep breath, ability to feel deeply. Because at times i would feel pain in my heart when it was appopritate, while others claimed they could not feel that, as though they were numb. So maybe that pain was not caused by breathing meditation but I was just more conscious of pain that made sense and was healthy? Like I can easily go shallow with myself and not feel wierd, but then I also cannot feel deep bliss etc. thanks gang

@Leo Gura We all suffer though. This work is about going from suffering to bliss, or it's about trying to find the truth and realizing that everything is a lie. Seek and you will find. For me it has been equally both. I desperately wanted truth when I was a Christian kid. Then I decided it was all a lie, that truth couldn't be found and I went into material things, which caused me to suffer enough that I went down a road that lead me here, to "truth." The difference is the intention, the story they tell themselves about why they are doing it. In the end we don't really need a story, but to begin we need a why. I guess it's like the boat you don't need anymore once you've cross over.

Very interesting topic, very interesting title, and interesting analysis. When we wake up to start our day, we're still in the ass. What happens is, we start off without a body and external environment, No-self, no-ego, and when we get embodied, we go through this black hole/singularity (I almost said butthole, lol). We go through the day as the ego. If you don't want to be the ego anymore, then do something within this lifetime so that you could be aligned with no-self, peace, love, bliss, etc. Contribute to end of suffering for all in this 'dream.'

I don't know if anyone has been following my "story", but I made a post called "detachment from suffering" a few weeks ago. I just wanted to share and elaborate on what I've learned recently. I don't want to blow my own trumpet. I'm not here to try and demonstrate how enlightened I am. But this is really something that could be life-changing for you if you put this into practice. This is what I've learned: suffering is real. It is constant for some people. The Buddha said "life is suffering", if I'm correct. But.... and this is a big but... You are not the sufferer! I have been meditating for 4 hours a day, every day for the past 13 months. I also started self inquiry a few months ago. The meditation was quite tricky at first. I felt tense, angry, and my monkey mind would not slow down. Then after about 7 months I had an enlightenment experience after watching Leo's "most shocking truth" video. I was in a state of bliss for ten days, but then my ego resurfaced and I found myself in hell again. And then I started self inquiry. This is the most important thing. Because this has helped me separate the awareness that I AM from the suffering "me". Some people just watch their thoughts when they meditate. They recognise: these thoughts are not me. But have you recognised that you can also watch your suffering in exactly the same way? What I mean is that you can have a visceral experience of suffering (i.e. actually feel the suffering in your nerves) yet not be effected by it! For anyone who has not started self inquiry, I HIGHLY recommend it. The most important question you can ask during self inquiry is "am I suffering?" You may find that your awareness detaches from the suffering. It will still be there, but YOU will not suffer. You may find yourself smiling and laughing at the suffering, as you will see it is no more a part of you than the wall/floor/ceiling. Hope this helps. ? Ps. If anyone has any questions I'm happy to answer.

I got it aswell, asking "god" to litteraly with pure will, truth or kill me. my mind breakdown & tear of joy & pain, beauty. I don't think this is a state of bliss ( but it was indeed ), it was confusing as hell and my mind was like on a mild dose of LSD for almost 2 weeks. we all tend to call that enlightment or whatever, I think that's just the shell of our illusion that has been shattered, a litteral and physical awakening. I don't think this "state" can be hold, I think that's what our society call schizophrénia. ( for me it was like being loaded on "serotonin" ) I don't think meditation is the only game in town, cause I almost never did, a lot of self inquiry and philosophy about the source of "me".

Do not let this freak you out - just be your perspective. Yes you are infinite, but picturing other perspectives is just concept - it's not ACTUAL. If you get lost in concepts that can actually be a detriment to you in this work and get you trapped in your own mind. Just be yourself. Your'e God right now. When you become conscious of certain facets of the Absolute or the entire thing, via a mystical experience or experiences, you ultimately will realize you are God - and that is unimaginable bliss. Also keep in mind your perspective will progress in consciousness until it merges with Absolute infinity into the Absolute Oneness that you always were!

Hi, This might be a non-starter for you....... My question is; Should I knuckle down with one approach and type of teaching for now (just so I can start putting some real work in, and getting better habits?) or should I continue with 'information gathering phase' and 'research' for now? I'm not looking for you to name one teacher, or book, or system necessarily but feel free to. I know information gathering and research will be on-going process in a way to keep myself openminded and hungry, but I fear I will use this an excuse to not start the real work. In my mind, I feel I don't really care what Enlightenment is, or isn't. For me it's all relative. I want to be more enlightened than I am now. I know this might not fit with whatever the favoured enlightment 'model' is. I'm chasing improvement rather than perfection/bliss. Some context below. I get easily bogged down in reading as much as I can, and taking ideas from literature to practice in real life. However, I seem to be always in 'information gathering phase', convinced that the next book, or teaching will be "the one" and set me on my way. For the last few months I've been getting my feet wet with basic Buddhist teachings. I'm also finding parts of the Bible incredibly uplifting, and much more practical than I thought the Bible would be. I don't know what I think about God. I'm not sure who God is or how God works. I (think) I believe at the minimum there is some Higher Power relevant and active in my life. I feel like I am looked after and that I am supposed to follow a path. With the thoughts I am conscious of, my immediate and primary goal is to manage my general fear, insecurities, to be able to better handle uncertainty, to better management resentments I hold against people, and to move away from my ego (as I understand my ego to be). To move away from animal instinct behaviour. I want to be cool, calm, and collected. Kind to others. Forget myself. Get outside my own head. My most cherished values at the moment seem to be around openmindedness and humility. If I can get these right I think other good stuff can manifest, such as compassion, forgiveness, gratitude and resilience. I have all these qualities to a degree, but I want more, and better still, I want to reflect these more in my behaviour.

Who wants to win arguments? Ego does. It doesn't matter you can tell them exactly what to do, practises not theory but they still want more theory. They want correct worldview not actuality. Main reason why people do not get enlightened is because they chase it for selfish reasons, to gain something. People who do really get Truth are in it for Truth's sake not to chase bliss.

Listening to music that resonates with me is very helpful for me in getting in touch with Being. There is Love there. So I'm wondering if music is really relative to the individual. If certain music resonates with you and aids in providing a sort of bliss that helps you connect with Being and/or Love for yourself then shouldn't that be enough? Not sure in other words if music can be squeezed into a stage of spiral dynamics. It's what you make of it. It's your creation.

God will rewire your brain and physiology, take everything you have, and give you Everything. God will take your body and fill it with Love & Bliss. In God you will be reborn, into a new life, with entirely different, and Meaningful Purpose, Knowledge, and Direction. You will know the Truth as your self...every thought, belief, & idea, every atom, molecule & person. You can read minds, know what someone will say before they say it, see someone’s current & past lives in a blip-thought-block, and show people they can heal themselves. You can change circumstances with your aura, change your state with Love, and clearly see how the previous mind created a variety of emotions - which are in actuality, Love. All you have to give is your self, and you’ll see you indeed create your own reality.

One interesting result of the binary string model is that the personal self and even the eternal individual soul can be defined as a position in the string. This means that the person is nothing in itself yet the person exists. A position within the string can be called Atman and the whole string Brahman. "Ātman (/ˈɑːtmən/) is a Sanskrit word that means inner self or soul.[1][2][3] In Hindu philosophy, especially in the Vedanta school of Hinduism, Ātman is the first principle,[4] the true self of an individual beyond identification with phenomena, the essence of an individual." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ātman_(Hinduism) "In Hinduism, Brahman connotes the highest Universal Principle, the Ultimate Reality in the universe.[1][2][3] In major schools of Hindu philosophy, it is the material, efficient, formal and final cause of all that exists.[2][4][5] It is the pervasive, genderless, infinite, eternal truth and bliss which does not change, yet is the cause of all changes.[1][3] [6]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman Now it gets really tricky with the timeline of the universe. And at the same time it's very simple. The whole string is experienced instantly in the now, but because the string is infinite there is no end to to the experience. The timeline of the universe has a start which is the beginning of the string but no end since the string is infinite. An individual soul is born/exists at a certain position within the string, and the eternal individual soul IS that position. And the process of evolution is a result of more and more of the string being experienced. The process of evolution starts from a very simple state in the beginning of the string and produces more and more complexity as more of the information becomes manifested as reality in the eternal now moment.

@Samantha It feels inappropriate to be giving advice to someone 35 years senior, but sometimes it helps to point out the obvious. - If a 10 years plan feels like too much, decide on the priorities and make a 2 years plan - Writing a book or supporting a community, "giving back" what you've learned, why not? Trust, that you do have the skills. You've had a lifetime to observe people and technology, practice writing and relating. You can put these to good use. - At any age: Follow your bliss. If it feels rewarding to be doing those things for the next few months, do them. You have the advantage of being able to ditch people's expectations of you more easily now.

You have to become a sneaky little devil. What do you love to do? Do you love to be in nature? Do you love walking, running, hiking, yoga, art, music? Looking into a candle flame? Petting a dog? Anything you love that is putting you into a flow state or meditative state bypasses this trap. The other thing I've done is what I'll call jury-rigged Vipassana meditation. I think that you're supposed to be trained or taught to do it but I heard an explanation of it once a long time ago and it was a huge AHA moment. So the next time I meditated I just sort of went to this bliss state. It felt almost like I was literally raising consciousness in my head. Basically bring love into you meditation. Love is the connecting force your're going for. Thoughts get in the way of love sometimes, but they aren't really a big deal or so tempting to follow anymore if you're interrupting something so that feels so good.

To be, one has to make the inner internal organs and limbic parts, reptilian, awaken them. Once you are conscious of the inner in practice through breath, then is possible to really be, change body temperature, heart beat, dissolve the ego at will, etc. Awakening is making conscious every atom in your body. Otherwise we fool ourselves with stupid concepts of the mind and forcing the ego to take control and create a false bliss. Many are stuck like this for decades and lifetimes. The true true: is easier to force the ego into a egoic enligtenment state. But this is not transcendence, it is a social cancer, people dead inside and gurus with cancer, pathetic and disgusting. So when we talk about effortless we talk about plexus and head. If we are stuck in the plexus and head, one can build a very kind ego and beautiful false nirvana that don't hold water. Only in the eyes of the uninitiated. Mainly efortlessness is simple as: don't use the muscles as the main staple, the plexus and head is in charge of that. This is Goliath from the bible, ego, even if is the most beautiful human being with other people, this is still ego. So the efortlessness goes deep ibto the rabbit hole, starting with breath, crown and all the way down the left aide of the body starting woth spleen, wich opens the heart. And long truth short, using the first 5 chakras to destroy the head and actualize that with the heart. Thia is a physical practice, has nothing to to with the mind. We only use the mind to focus o breath to channel the prana into various internal organs. So those eyebrow intellectuals, get to the ground noobs! Namaste

Enlightenment is simply regaining the full optimum potention of the body\mind. The dormant uses less than 10% of his faculties. The awakened uses way more of what it is. Even enlightenment nowadays is misuderstood by the tripping egos who got stuck in 'bliss' lol. So yeah, we are born awakened and we discover it again.