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exactly because omniscent conscious is unfathomable, if this is possible, it changes EVERYTHING WE KNOW You don't need to go meta! ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS ALTER YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS and BE the perfect paradox, to create it and believe it --- over and over and over and over and over again, what benefits do you get: SHIT MAN, FUCK PEACE, FUCK LOVE, FUCK EVERYTHING, IF THIS IS TRUE, IT WOULD BE INSANE, nothing like you've ever experienced and this would be even greater than enlightenment in my eyes, You would stop doing every activity your doing, BUT i would say you would kill your body inside of consciousness, your consciousness will go to infinity and you'll never been seen again, another thing just happening inside enlightenment. Meaning there's no way to talk about it or know about it at the highest levels of this omniscient, your imagining inside infinite consciousness. But this is not about dieing this time, its about becoming god. but again it doesn't matter, because again the highest consciousness is enlightenment its just how a single person defines highest consciousness themselves disclaimer: i'm not going to do it myself lol. so i'm speaking bullshit, edit: in the hood we would call this trillin, leo a triller LOL (translation: adventurous until you die or live fast, die young) Edit 2 : anyway it is what it is, i don't really care lol, i only care about finding nothingness ahaha i don't care what it is. everything is going to unfold anyhow, everythings perfect in the end, so its not like any of us are wrong lol. Edit 3: Just a side joke, explaining omniscient consciousness to a enlightened person would be like an enlightened person persuading these people they are god, and then telling them there was no such thing as omniscient consciousness LOL, you were always omniscent, you just weren't aware how lol- the irony

Isn't it already true that we are all enlightened? I feel like "trying" to become enlightened is trying to manipulate the content of our experience rather than investigating our supposed true nature of nothingness. Thank you for the rest of the post though, there's a lot of gems in what you said and helps clarify a lot for me. I do have a basic understanding that this current experience isn't physical like it seems to be. I do frequently fall back into the illusion when I get consumed in mind; it happens more times than others. So far the primary focus of my journey has been embodying complete authenticity. When I'm fully present, I hesitate less to authentically express how I feel rather than the ego coming in saying I have to people please instead.

LOL there's no one inside the eternal now, because the eternal now! IS ITSELF SOMEONE (as best as english language can define) REALITY ITSELF IS THE PERFECT PARADOX by which it creates THAT PARADOX IS NOTHINGNESS! SO my question is to everyone: HAVE you BECOME nothingness OR HAVE you BECOME nothingness ? to find the answer you would need to understand if there are multiple realities happening at once or are you literally creating it yourself, you have to BE the perfect paradox. NOT BE the perfect paradox and this is the furthest that language can take us, BECAUSE we haven't decided as a whole world what we want our language to mean yet when it comes for non duality and duality and hence i say again you need to have an enlightened society for this to happen Disclaimer: This is all my pure imagination and nothing else, i have riddled this exactly hypothesis and contemplated it for months now. But again its contemplation, its nothing of value really. I'm just throwing out there what i've thought about, not what i know to be truth. I do not claim to know truth unlike leo lol

@Inliytened1 No No No perfectly sane, its not the same thing if you are conscious that you are imagining me, then you should be able to unimagine me, the problem is you've taken the ultimate perspective, the perspective of the whole and this is the highest enlightenment and what all of you have realised. I don't disagree with this truth. Nothingness is all that exist, so yes you are everything its true. But the question is, can you take control of this, non localised reality ? Remember YOU are inside the eternal now currently, meaning that nothing is happening for you. But can you yourself take control of that? or is it impossible and the only thing is to let it play out in the eternal now and this to me is the difference in what leo is trying to say contray to what others are saying ACTUALISING INFINITY VS BECOMING INFINITY like what your essentially saying is that youve become inifnity, so even if leo manages to actualise ininfity you were him anyway, so you don't attempt because you are all possible scenarios but if actualising infinity means you've become infinity, literally so your version is the highest consciousness overall, but the term highest consciousness changes when everyone in the world becomes enlightened you all hit 0, when you all hit enlightenment. There is no meaning behind it and therefore your dualistic language has to be reshaped it will be reshaped to what are you conscious of, because you are all at 0. This is why i said you need everyone in the world to become enlightened before you actualy started exploring god itself. I never thought it was possible for a million years lol , but its already happened aswell in the NOW. What duality is doing is currently reshaping itself to work actively with non duality, there is a slight divide but its the same thing at the same time. as duality is identical to non duality. they are exactly the same thing but What is the truth of the matter? and to me i'm just speaking conceptually so i have no idea what is true, all i know is i'm god giving you god, this idea and delivering it to you, what you do with it is up to you.

YUP this is exactly what i was going to write, but because i have not experienced enlightenment, i didn't LOL This is the paradox But is the exsistence have some sort of tangiable to it, that is the real question , is it a complete ghost, or does the realness have some real to it. if it is real, then you have a chance to become god in a sense, to what degree its unknown consciously if its a ghost, then its just is all out of unconditional love in a way and the aim is to return back to nothingness aka enlightenment so they're the same thing, with two different outcomes

@Shin My kid is sick so I can do this ALL day long. You guys are all so nihilistic, black holes and melting and nothingness.

As I’m thinking about God, formlessness and forms I’m getting more and more excited. Learning Spiral Dynamics + watching 2 part series about survival + contemplating and observing the nature, humans and animals are really helping me to understand deeper the structure of reality and that particular layer of it. Yesterday I’ve had an Epiphany that Survival “is not a bug, it’s a feature”: If I’d be a kid with unlimited powers who is really wants to participate in the adventure with his toys and not to know what will waiting them (because usually we, as a kids, have a need to invent, control and sustain everything what we’ve imagined) I would fill my heroes with a thirst for life. But as I’d grew and mature, I’ll want that my toy-friends will not only do everything from the need to survive, but also because of the love to game itself. How I’ll do that? Through structuring the story in a way, which will force toys to realize the limitations of prioritizing survival before selflessness. So, it’s seems pretty logical and understandable, that Nothingness, which has no limits, will try every possible way of “playing” from animal-like fully unconscious survival-centered behavior, through the process of conceptualization of Me and Others, to the situations which will show limitations of that and then to the point where we’ll come “back to the infinity” while the form (toy) still present. But @Leo Gura, have you understood the mechanism through which Awareness/Witnessing locked on the exact form (Arsen/Leo/Sadhguru/Trump etc.)?

@Leo Gura so first off are there two different start points, or does this awakening path stem from the bottom, into a multitude because then your saying all practices give you different variations of nothingness, nothingingness or 0 is the point to me where the "i" and subject/object barrier dissapears. at here the "mapping" stops, but actually now i think about it - since buddah nobodies tried to go further, they've always got there and felt the totality of it, its as you said, the problem is the totality of it , is so total it seems like its the finish line.

@Leo Gura I am interested in your views on this one. Do you think it's possible to permanently awaken by taking 5 meo constantly for a particular time? (Like 1 week-several months as long as it is needed) Its like one takes 5 meo and stays in nondual cognition for 3 hours, then the moment he feels the slightest tinge of duality arising, he takes another dose...so and so forth. Basically lets say a month of nondual cognition every waking moment. Could this facilitate a permanent sinking of ego? After all, ego is an unreal entity. It is merely a force of habit of rising and mistaking a body or POV as I. So the idea is, one remains in uninterrupted nondual cognition until one literally 'forgets' what it is like to have an ego and the correspoding dual perception. In mechanism, it would be exactly like the process you described in your self inquiry video where one locks on nothingness/being for such a long time that the ego sinks into being once and for all and one literally forgets the distinction between duality and non duality.

Precisely because desire, sex, and gratification are identical to Nothingness. Why wouldn't you experience them? There is no why one way or the other. Making you totally free to do whatever. When you are fully awake (so to speak) there is no such thing as the ego. So actually no desire is egotistical. All desire is just a natural occurrance. There are not good or bad desires from the Absolute perspective. This is Total Love: to Love all the "bad" stuff so much that it is no longer bad at all. Such love is very radical and threatening to unawakened people because it interferes with survival. When you reach an even higher level of consciousness than you can presently imagine or have ever experienced, you will realize that EVERYTHING IS ABSOLUTELY PERFECT. This is Paradise and Nirvana. And it is liberation. You are liberated precisely because you realize that no matter what happens it is Absolute Perfection. So there is nothing to resist or worry about. Reality is not simply Everything or neutrality. Reality is Absolutely Good. Period. It's not just good. It's THE BEST thing possible. You have not reached this level of consciousness yet. It's very radical. But I can tell you 110% that it's the Truth. I wish one day you discover it.

@Leo Gura This is what my understanding so for. As long as one is bound by desires,pleasure seeking one is to suffer.They are not the permanent happiness.Why would a liberated soul go after desires,sex and other sense gratification when he is contented with Nothingness. Desirelessness uncared of anything is real peace. When you say when I have a desire to kill someone who are you to say it's wrong it's egos judgement but not acknowledging that the very desire to kill is a egoistic desire ? Liberation is not realising everything is perfect.Liberation is realising things as they are.Everything is perfect is an illusion.Everything is just as they are.And we don't have any control over the rest and freedom from from illusion of control and not to worry about that is liberation. Resistance is suffering.Pain is a pain resistance is suffering.But beyond a point body mind cannot tollerate accept pain due to survival mechanism and hence suffering is inevitable when it comes to physical pain.

Fear has become an obsession of mine. From the very start of trying to listen to my intuition I've found that fear is the thing that appears to block me from Knowing. But, it also can be an indicator that I'm on to something really good. Due to a strange family dynamic, my parents started their life together in fear for their lives and I have always had a lot of anxiety that was reinforced by my parents. On top of that I had obsessive compulsive disorder which for me resulted in random out of the blue impulses to do and say things that inconvenienced me, embarrassed me or terrified me. Mindfulness and maturity simmered them down but before a recent awakening they came back. They often pick my most vulnerable fear and play it over and over in my head until I realize that following through with action and facing the fear is nothing compared with resisting it. Trusting in them is difficult. Today they lead me to a hiking trail I that never knew existed. I ended up at this secluded cove, and had an impulse to strip off and swim in the freezing cold ocean. My heart started pounding. "For real? Do I really have to actually do this?" I thought about what would happen if I drowned somehow, or what if someone showed up and saw me, and I realized that the possibility of shame was WAY more powerful manifestation of fear than death or discomfort. So I did it, and I never even felt how cold the water was or how sharp the rocks were under my feet. The whole actual experience was nothing. Examining my fear I realize that I think I have these really big fears but they are imaginary. Everything is fear, annoyance is a form of fear and maybe it all can go in the "resistance" category. In fact my biggest fears are a projection of a future that is just mildly torturing. The thought of time always needs to be included with fear, I'm not afraid of losing a limb because it would hurt really bad, but mostly because life without it would be really hard for a really long time after. Mosquitoes and biting flies are annoying, but they can in the right situations get so thick that they can actually kill you. It's all fear. I realize that everything good is on the other side of fear. Courage is love that overpowers fear. Is fear a form of love? If so how does it appear to block us from love? Every practice we do to realize oneness involves working through fear. Psychedelics are terrifying, my OCD impulses are terrifying, meditation is terrifying when you think about it, you're locking your mind, your self in a dark cave of nothingness. Shadow work is working with our shame and it's terrifying. Everytime you give in you realize that there was nothing there all along. What is the purpose of shame? We have to live by rules as a society so those that act outside those rules and agreements are subject to feeling shame. In fact shame keeps people from doing things that society would have to punish in the first place. Shame is protective in a way then, right? Just like fear of death, it keeps you from walking up to a bear in the woods and patting it. When my sister was a little kid, a black bear cub came in our yard and she went up and patted it thinking it was a dog. It's one of the reason that kids are absolutely exhausting to parent, because you have to keep them safe from themselves all the time. Yet to be enlightened you must become like a child again. Is it possible, or even desirable to dissolve all fear?

@Jkris One of the things I used to comfort myself with about death is that lack of awareness is not an active process as there is no one to experience nothingness. If you were to ever wake up again, it would happen instantly, because you have no perception of time in a consciousless state.

The last sinner in existence is the embodied nothingness. The saint. It is just the devil praying at God.

I've hugged Mooji and met him in Satsang multiple times 2 years ago. I think he's a wonderful dude. I don't believe he's enlightened. Yes, he seems to have some experience and wisdom. But if you want to get enlightened following his teachings, good luck. I don't believe he experiences Nirvana, Emptiness, Nothingness or Infinity. The core of the teaching is stay in your stillness prior to thought, but a LOT of spiritual talk is added on top. How you are the One, Inimaginable, Unfathomable. I spent lots of time reading this and thinking I was somehow advancing. More Sadhana showed me my delusions and how susceptible I was. I will read @Leo Gura books on cult-dynamics because it seems I'm young and very susceptible to getting brainwashed.

Dosed 2g of pure psilocybin extract at 10pm last night. I've been taking these 2g trips every two weeks lately, and this one ended up being a pretty intense experience compared to my other trips. This one was more intense due to the fact that I smoked some weed before the two hour peak started to settle in. For me when I take shrooms it takes about an hour for the trip to start and then I enter this two hour peak where I'm just rising and rising and rising until you reach a climax then you start coming back down. My sense of self was beginning to fade. Awareness began to shine through my experience like filling an empty bucket full of water. Everything started to look block like, if you taken shrooms you know what I mean by this. The nothingness really started to make itself known. I'm just sitting there in my room, and my ego is literally seeing that I am nothing... absolutely fucking nothing! It felt like the illusion of my mind was just staring back at me like who's there? No one! No one is there! Can the light of a flashlight turn back and look at itself? Can one side of a coin see the other side? What if it could? This started to become really unsettling for my ego, it just felt insanely fucking eerie. A sense of fear was starting to rise so I asked myself why be scared? You are it, are you scared of yourself? I knew that I shouldn't be scared but still, the fear continued to arise, it was out of my control. Is this thing scared of its own death? Hell yeah it is. Don't underestimate facing your own death, if you tell yourself your not scared your're most likely full of shit. It actually feels like you will die, I am not kidding. The you that you thought you were will cease to exist and you will be left with nothing. I am it, you are it, we are all it, you could say that you're just playing one big game with yourself down here, trying to distract yourself from what actually is. You come down here, to this world experience, and it's like you get lost in your own game. Its so complex, there's so much going on here, that you actually convince yourself that this is real, that all of this is actually happening. Your life already happened and didn't happen, simultaneously. There's actually no one here, other is a illusion, you are just fooling yourself. When you're having a conversation with someone it's just life talking to itself. It really is all just you, and you will underestimate this too until you actually become conscious that this is true. It's actually pretty baffling to see the extent of much you deceive yourself, but it's almost like you have to because you couldn't be here otherwise. We're all running around here trying to seek something outside of ourselves in this materialistic realm because we think it will make us happy. Don't get me wrong, that brand new car that you always wanted will make you happy. A promotion at your job that you worked hard to receive will make you happy. Buying your dream house that took you years and years to save up for will make you happy. All of this stuff is fine and all, there is nothing wrong with it, however it is all short lived. That happiness your're seeking eventually maxes out and your right back to where you started. You're happiness doesn't have to be dependent on something outside of yourself, true happiness comes from within. You could waste your whole life doing this, you'd be like a hamster running on a wheel for eternity, always ending up right where you started. Always trying to be somewhere else than where your at. Again, it's all a distraction to prevent you from seeing what is actually true, your ego does not want you to do this.The thing is you already have it all, there is no where else to go but right here right now. Anything that you'll ever truly need will arise effortlessly during the right time in perfect harmony, not by force. The ego can twist this around, like oh well it doesn't really matter then, let's just stare at a wall until I die because what's the point? No! You came here to experience life so enjoy the ride. Realize that this is all just a game and in the end none of this matters, like at all. It's all temporary and it will all pass. Just do your best, love yourself and smile. One day this will all come to an end and you will merge back with god. Now do I have what I said above embodied? Haha...no, there is still much work to be done for me. Psychedelics are nice in the sense because they remind me why I'm doing all this in the first place, and gives me motivation to keep going. It's like I need constant reminders because my mind will just try to cover all this up again.

You will only see that everything is God if you purify yourself to the point of non-existence. Then, the devil's last trick is your humility, simply because you embody him as nothingness. The devil's prayer to God is the reason why there is something rather than nothing. Now, there is just nothing. Absolute infinity.

Well, obviously, since that's basically what enlightenment is. You'd have to sit and concentrate on nothingness for many thousands of hours. Or do decades of yoga. Yoga is basically a method for naturally producing 5-MeO-DMT or its equivalent. Dark room retreats are another method. Long fasts are another method. Shamanic breathing is another method. All these techniques are designed to change your state of consciousness.

Yeah...ok...if you put it that way. Nothingness = God, and you create everything, including you (ego) and world (ego). You said that already. Anyway, my point was not to argue against 5meo. That was not my intention. I just wanted to see if there is anything else. Btw, I read a book that I suspect nirvana. The subjects have the freewill to go to any realms anytime, including become one with God (nothingness). They could also choose to reincarnate on earth to sacrifice their lives for the purpose of helping someone/others. But, as I recall in your post toward me, you passed this off as stage green, and told me to be careful. I don't consider this to be stage green. Of course, we all have to live our lives to the fullest and not get so caught up in these things. Learn from them without being caught up or obsessed. You still have to live your life to the fullest and find your purpose. This won't end till your death. Then, you'll find out what happens to you.

Nothing and Everything are identical. There are many degrees of realizing this. It's not that you're realizing anything totally new, but you're going deeper and deeper down the same rabbit hole, realizing God more and more and more until finally you hit total omniscience. The highest truth is not nothingness. It is that you are God and you have direct consciousness of how you are creating the entire universe -- every last grain of sand on every beach in the universe. To somehow separate nothingness from form is actually a shallow level of nondual realization. There are much deeper levels. All of this, and more, 5-MeO-DMT can show you effortlessly. These are levels of consciousness which even the highest spiritual masters rarely attained. At these levels of consciousness you are literally God. You are the creator of all spiritual masters. Your power and authority is total, singular, and absolute. No teacher can teach you anything at this level because you have become all teachers, and more. This level of consciousness is completely unspeakable and unimaginable. And yet it is the ultimate truth. I hope one day ya'll reach it. But I wouldn't bet money on it unless you're doing lots of 5-MeO-DMT.

@Leo Gura I would like to hear the difference then, if there are any, in a video, in a book? In whatever? No? To me, everythingness is just more relative distinctions from nothingness. Nothing is beyond nothingness. Looks like he's right. What else is 5meo teaching you that's not part of everythingness?

Then, what exactly is it if you think I haven't experienced it? You're not me Leo. You don't know what I've experienced fully. I will eventually talk about the whole thing in my life purpose, to the best of my knowledge. I know that the 10 Ox Herding Pics is pointing to something. Otherwise, it wouldn't be there. It's not there for no reason. I agree with Peter Ralston when you interviewed him. He said that there is nothing beyond the absolute, but you could have as many distinctions in the relative. And, I like how Shinzen Young talked about Riding the Ox Backwards. This is part of the absolute. I'm going to be honest with you, Leo. I'm not sugarcoating this. It seems like you keep wanting to experience the distinctions, the everythingness. The nothingness is "you," the No-self. This is the absolute. You can't get beyond you without any ego. You never had an ego to begin with. "You," the No-self, fell back into your ego (Riding the Ox Backwards). Another thing Leo, when I do my LP, I don't want to misguide ppl on this topic. That's why when I post here, I find myself writing, if you experience Satori, say it in your LP in a cunning way so that those who are ready to hear it will hear it. Ppl who have been working with gurus told me that you cannot force it on others. It's like a chick trying to come out of its egg. Sometimes when you try to help it out by removing its egg shell, you end up killing it instead.

@WHO IS You can actually become Absolute/Truth /Formlesness /Nothingness/Infinity/God/Love. Do practises with desire and intention to know God and you Will get there or master the Game. ?

@Buba Lets say your brain is in a normal waking state without any substance. What is perception? of what you see, feel, hear, ect? What is the essence of it? What is it made out of? If you become very very present and reach a level of no-mind (less thoughts) and deeply question this, you will realize that the physical feeling of whatever you feel, has the same essence of your dream, of a substance's hallucinations, of deep dreamless sleep. It's something very very subtle and empty. Science likes to zoom in untill they reach a limit. Atoms, sub atomic particles, quarks, strings, whatever comes even after that. Maybe it never ends. Meybe everything is made of something lesser and also mades up something more. What if there was no end to "what's something made of" and "pure awareness/nothingness" be the ultimate substance? It really must be experienced. Materialism is right in physical domains. Yes if you shoot your brain this perception will be gone. But it's not ultimately true. Nonduality goes beyond it.

The icy water touched my body and my breath got really deep, I asked "WHO'S AWARE?" few times. Panicing and fast breathing started, then they vanished. Pure nothingness. Pure awareness. For the first time I could really put awareness on itself. It was intense and deep. Try it, maybe it works