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It is humorous how often "awakened" individuals use their "awakening" as the subject of their ego, and the forum as the platform

Greatest appreciation for the awakened master @Inliytened1

Wow. So beautiful that it's truly infinite and can do that. Yet also so baffling that existence prevailed, even though it's possible to discover it being inevitable by design. I'v awakened to the idea that nothing and infinity are the same, yet no-matter how total the understanding becomes, there is this lingering mystery. For example, there is this burning desire to remember the moment when I imagined water, I want to know that moment intimately, the same way I know this moment. I want to get a familiar sense of the mechanics of creation, as I feel I was once conscious when I created everything. Even if I saw every nook and cranny of infinity I would still ask (as this ego) why is it natural for nothingness to be aware? What allows awareness to be? Does infinite intelligence work in a comprehensible way? It's clearly working, we are here, so there must be a "how" to how it's working, maybe it's too epic to grasp, but It can't not have a "way' it must be doing it in a certain fashion right? There must be some strange process that can be comprehensible at least to the infinitely intelligent itself. Although Leo did say, "It doesn't know how it's doing it", has anyone here ever felt what creating feels like?

No - all is perfect and unfolding the way it should in the dream. If you look at politics you can really see how that is not what's going on today I think Obama, though not awakened, was probably a blend of yellow because of the way he led the country. It was a very balanced approach from a place of wisdom.

I do understand where Leo is coming from, you know completely and totally and you are the divine reality sitting on its throne of absolute infinity without beginning and end and this experience is just but a flash of light within the infinite rays of that thing that we call absolute infinity but actually it is the absolute unknown and that's what you are, all the bodies appear within you there is no outside, spirituality is all fun until you actually expand your awareness to level that go beyond any human concept, that's where you stand with no beliefs no paradigms completely naked, and you internally die, there are no days, no tomorrow, no friends, your consciousness goes beyond the little spectrum of human possibilities, when you stand in that position in my case I get on my knees and cry and laugh and ask for forgiveness, you are there standing at a new dimension of existence, this is serious guys, this work leads oneself to the very roots of infinity, its all fun and games until you stand in the edge of infinity realizing this world and all the worlds to come are just dreams of you. Leo please if you read this keep on creating because when I am standing at the edge of infinity not able to distinguish between life or death this or that your videos make me feel as if I'm not alone in this work, at least someone out there has gone as deep as I am, I appreciate you man, thanks for everything you do, do not let people comments discourage what you share with us. This work is not for the faint of heart, every body says he is awakened and at the first stages it is fun but when you expand to universal consciousness and see the non reality of what you thought what solid ground is when you have to tight your seat belt and make a jump of faith into the abysm of infinity.

Enlightenment is the recognition of your true nature as infinte love, formless being etc. Everyone has different definitions, and so the end of seeking is likely to be different to different people. For me i would consider myself "done" when i can embody the bliss and energy i felt during my god realization on LSD. Once you finish the seeking and find enlightenment, which i haven't done yet so i could be off here, you have nothing to do but to live your life. It goes full circle. Before enlightenment chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment... (you get the deal). Once you the find the bliss and love and happiness intrinsic in your own being, you are free to do whatever you want. The world becomes heaven and you are free to live as you wish. I've always played video games so this website is really a forward thinking plan on my part, for how i want to spend my life after i'm done seeking. For everyone their path after seeking will be unique based on their life experience. I've always played games, sports, competed etc. There are no shoulds, musts, needs etc with a true awakened being. It's all about what YOU want to do. Because you're god baby and you're free. So do what you want. I want to write and play games, and make money doing it lol.

Victor Mgazi recently started started a thread called What is ego, which seems to have begun to level off at 66 responses. I consider his and many of the responses to be of high quality. I'm putting my response (the fourth in his thread) here in Self-Actualization Journals, as it contains a general overview of practical concerns applicable to Victo Mgazi's original topic relative to defining the context of self-refinement in terms of ego-function, it's inherent limitations, as well as its true nature being the access-point by enlightening activity. My response to his OP: Dang, Victor [an excellent topic and OP]! Ego is the creative nexus of attach-ability, yes~ but to say it is attachment… or to say without ego, there is no attachment …ok, certainly we can arguably posit that, in a qualified sense (in terms of habitual use of ego) To be precise, ego is a modality. It's a type of pattern awareness, which can be sub-classified as everyday ordinary conditioned consciousness. So if ego is a modality of perceptive functionality, what constitutes its employment? Isn't ego in charge? If not, who is? What constitutes the person? Who, or what isn't the person? How about this: without awareness, there is no person, nor ego. Ego isn't a thing any more than enlightenment. The point is, and especially in terms of the nature of awareness (which is enlightenment), there is no ego. Creation is filled with points of illumination. Enlightenment is illumination. Ego is actually a point-source without a point (on a good day). Enlightenment is itself a selfless intention, yet it has no point. How wondrous is non-attachment? Our nature is awakeness. It would be a higher clarification of consciousness which brings to light an underlying non-psychological basis of identity which can eventually obviate the hopeless intellectualism caught in the broken record of rationalistic dualism that perpetuates the dead words constituting any kind of intellectual discourse encompassing ego-thought consciousness. What ego is, just isn't (so to speak). We really don't have egos, as ego has (is) the personality (function), without exception. Nevertheless, there is an underlying aspect that hardly ever makes it to the table (with good reason). Unless one actually knows ego's original and selfless function in terms of one's enlightening potential, one's strategic application of ego-functionality falls short of accomplishing inconceivable spiritual adaption and transformation by skillful means— or, rather (without getting all buddhist), as ego's tacit functionality (primal duty, really) reverts to its unified functional purpose as enlightening potential's corollary, is what taoist spiritual alchemy calls the efficacy of the sciences of essence and life. These are two, yet one. As well, psychological awareness and nonpsychological awareness are two, yet one. Ego's true purpose is in administratively aiding in truly selfless and spontaneous transcendent activity by virtue of one's innate enlightening potential. Therefore, enlightening activity isn't the person, but it isn't not the person. Either way no one knows. And who might that be? There, that didn't sound very buddhist. DLH presented a conclusive summary of the created psychological apparatus, without failing to omit the body, adding~ "neither good or bad." That kind of insight has no limit of application in terms of non-resistant penetration into the heart of the matter of life and death. Could habitual patterns of attachment being the matrix of webs of collective psychological momentum through eons of ego-consciousness be something that is being left out of the analysis? It stupefies statistical analysis, yet… "We're all one"— isn't that what we say in our altruistic (self-reflective) moments. Actually it's all one (the creative, karmic aspect we find ourselves in). It really doesn't have to be about us, at all, because, in terms of Reality, which isn't even created, much less subjective relativity (sorry, Einstein!), it's about IT. It's utterly a complete whole for those who actually see potential. In looking at it selflessly, (as it is, not as we are), what are we looking at? What are we getting at? It's us; we're not it. Now there's an ego-check. What constitutes ego-attachments? Ego per se, is pretty helpless, it seems, in terms of its own conditioning; it's own psychological momentum, utterly attached (bound, as it were) as a mere discriminatory point-source of the collective unity. How free is that? So what constitutes that which directs or binds ego to… creative process? Ego isn't a thing, actually. The person being the headlong evidence of a mystery unfolding until… one grasps the import of there being no intrinsic reason or causality underlying the created (or the uncreated, for that matter). How can one be so sure? One can't say— that's for sure, but it IS a mystery first and foremost. There is no explanation. Ultimately, there is no reason, as sure as there is no thing. Quote Ultimately, there is no reason, as sure as there is no thing. In terms of its function as the (creative's sameness within differentiation) nexus of attach-ability, you might conceive of ego as being naturally aspected of creative being in terms of its adherence to karmic law, law of the creative's realm… by virtue of the unitary aspect Creation itself, wholly becoming, as the conditional singularity it might be considered to be. Neither good not bad, it can be intentionally turned around and used as a tool (that's what it really is, after all). But I asked earlier, "who puts ego to use?" The true human with no status, is the taoist term. It is one's inherent enlightening potential that lies dormant mostly, yet, from time to time, arises of its own accord. Who doesn't know that much? The endless task of self-refinement is the process of "turning around the light" of creation (ego), that gradually results in the efficacious restoration and permanent stability of nonpsychological awareness as the true human with no status evidencing one's awakened enlightening potential realized as a partner of creation, never again to be bound by its former karmic affinity, now actualized as affinity with the primal aspect, as opposed to the conditional. "Turning around the light" is the teaching of reversal; the reversion of the conditioned and the restoration of the primal. Ego isn't what, it's rather that which is bound in creation and liberated in potential, that is, the Unborn, or the un-created. That's not so woo-woo. Why? Awareness isn't created. So ultimately, accessing potential is a matter of seeing. That's the essence of awareness. But there's a catch which I touched on above. That is to say, it's you; you're not it. When you see it, to the degree you see, it becomes you, as it were, all along, perpetually aglow. The aspect of ego being elemental in terms of its potential for self-transcendece is itself the "gateless gate", which anyone familiar with mind only teachings of buddhism has heard of. Ultimately, who knows?

Hey everyone, I felt like writing this post on Happiness, and by happiness I mean the happiness inherent in our true nature, the peace and happiness that are the 'side effects' of Self-Realization and realizing the truth of our own being and reality. Happiness. Would life be worth living without happiness? The word is thrown around a lot these days, often marketers promise us happiness in a capsule or in the next product they are selling, but in reality, happiness can never be found outside of ourselves, or even inside of ourselves, happiness IS what we are. I will be honest, suffering and a low level of background depression is what lead me to finding spirituality, and in particular Eckhart Tolle and starting on the spiritual path, so maybe I am slightly biased towards happiness. I believed getting A*s and going to University then getting some high paying job in the city would make me happy, and that happiness was also just in the next achievement or thing, and was always so close. How wrong I was. The realization that you are literally The Self, you are The Absolute, you are all that exists, ever have existed and ever will 'exist' brings a peace and happiness that never leaves, as you have finally found who you truly are. It brings an end to the endless seeking, and allows for the final rest and joy in being. It brings the innate Infinite Love of EVERYTHING as you know everything is YOU, this screen you are looking at is literally God, these words are literally God. But, simultaneously even that is saying too much, for all there is, is THIS. THIS IS IT. Every single moment is simply the spontaneous joy of being alive, and is accepted with open arms, no matter what arises. Even when so called 'bad' things happen, the Peace and happiness of your true nature remain, for it is dependent on nothing and is literally what you are. It is unshakeable, unbreakable and is your birthright. You quite literally are The Absolute, the little I doesn't exist and never did, the illusion of a separate self has been seen through completely, separation is seen as the illusion it truly is. Paradoxically though, you are more YOU than ever before, your personality is expressed wholeheartedly and you are completely free to truly be who you are. The Absolute sucks you in and spits you out as this beautiful expression of itself, it wants YOU to experience what you are experiencing right now. It wants you to be YOU, to embrace your humanity, to love deeply, to express this understanding, to have fun, to enjoy life! It is impossible to put into words, and I cannot say it any better, unfortunately, which is why silence is always the highest teaching, for this understanding can only be known in the silence, in the gap, in THIS, the answer is never another concept or belief, but is simply found HERE, NOW in THIS. Non-Duality, Duality, Spirituality, Enlightenment, Awakening (etc) are all just concepts that help you realize THIS, like all concepts they have their relative uses, but they must be dropped, and let go of so you can jump in the fire fully naked, and experience THIS as it truly is. So you can experience Sahaja. There is no enlightened person, there is simply the realization of the truth of your own being. Awareness becoming aware of itself. It's not Charlie who has awakened, there is no Charlie to awaken, it is simply Consciousness becoming Conscious of itself. Then what is left? If you are completely happy, fulfilled and at peace, what is left after the spiritual search, after you find what you was after, after the seeking is over. After you no longer spend hours upon hours reading and listening to teachers, and trying to understand this concept, and inquiring about this or that. There is simply the expression of this Peace, Happiness, Love and Understanding in ALL areas of life, you simply live life from this understanding, from love. No longer are you looking for a relationship or a business or a hobby to make you happy, everything you do/ partake in is simply then an expression of this happiness, of this love and of this understanding. You are absolutely free to do whatever you want to, to live life on your terms. Want to go and 'help' people awaken? Go for it! Want to go and meditate in a cave forever? Go for it! Want to go and feed the poor? Go for it! Want to go and work in your local coffee shop? Go for it! Want to become a professional athlete/ musician/ artist? Go for It! Want to go and build your business? Go for it! Want to raise a family and get married? Go for it! And on and on and on. I think you get the point! You have absolute freedom to whatever you wish, to whatever your heart desires. Except one thing changes. The desire will no longer be about what 'you' want, but the desire will come from and be about Love and expressing love, happiness and peace in whatever you do. This is sometimes known as Impersonal Desire, which I think is a helpful concept Everything comes from, is made of and literally is Love, living in alignment with that is the most beautiful gift of all. Every day we are blessed to have the chance to deepen and integrate this understanding even further in life, to be of service to so called 'others' (you) and to express this beautiful understanding however we see fit. As Ramana Maharshi said- 'Your Self-Realization is the greatest service you can render the world.' And, Happiness is inherent In that Self-Realization. And, who doesn't want to be happy? It's what we all want. And, I can say one thing. It's worth it. It's worth the hours seeking, the sleepless nights overthinking and contemplating, the frustration, the existential terror, the fear& anxiety you have to overcome, the dark night of a soul. It's 100000000000000000000000000% worth it, and even that isn't saying enough how worth it is. It's here, it's now, it's THIS. You are THIS. Stop looking elsewhere, it has always been right there, when you realize it, you'll kick yourself at how obvious it all was. Have a good day everyone. Go and express some love, peace and happiness. Go and tell your loved ones you love them, go and give your body the nutrition and exercise (love) it deserves, go and do the things in life you love. Go enjoy life.

@VeganAwake I know, conceptual understanding means fuck all, and all concepts should be dropped, even RASA, even LOC, and especially enlightenment, spirituality, Non-Duality and liberation. These are all concepts. Of course concepts and books have their uses, but eventually all must be dropped, as all that is, is THIS. Even that is saying too much, hence why I always say Silence is the “highest” teaching, as this can only be understood in silence. I am speaking solely from direct experience. The funny thing is, RASA/ working with A&R is literally about unlearning and going through blockages, not building up information, and letting go of concepts and beliefs is a big part of that. You can’t “think” you’re awakened, you either are awakened and live that truth, or you are seeking. What good would thinking do? Plus, as you must know, there’s no Me to be awakened ? Concepts mean fuck all, and if I haven’t said that enough, then that’s a miscommunication on my end. I have no interest in taking sides or getting people on “my side” I was merely commenting that his Gifs perfectly reflected how I also felt. Oh and since you mentioned the LOC model, the stuff you constantly preach- Nobody there, nothing matters, No-Self etc, is very common of the LOC 600s. Im looking forward to your love awakening, that’s when the real fun starts?

Again bud speak for yourself... It's wonderful that you have all this spiritual knowledge memorized. Intellectually understanding Awakening and all the other spiritual Concepts you preach does not mean you are awakened or have had an Awakening experience.( you probably had a non-dual glimpse and that's great) You can't go do RASA Sessions and have somebody tell you you've reached loc 1000 and that you need to integrate all your knowledge now to be completed.... that's not what awakening is ...that's some Fairy Tail within the dream of the self that can somehow attain liberation..trust.. Again this work requires in the emptying of the glass you can't come with your glass full and learn anything... You are falling into the worst trap of all ...thinking you are already awakened. This is absolutely the worst roadblock on the path to liberation. But as I said I can help you guys so that's the good news.

Then the material simply isn't for you ...I'm not looking for your opinion bud and you shouldn't speak for others that's very rude don't they teach you that in the UK. ? Like I told you before it's not just intellectually understanding it....it's an experience that occurs. You can't go around thinking you're awakened because you intellectually understand the knowledge or have memorized it... Otherwise Awakening would be easy everybody would just be studying to become enlightened.

@LfcCharlie4 As I said, if you look long and hard enough you can find coincidences everywhere. Bill Gates is a well-read man with good foreshight. Not just him, but many experts saw this pandemic coming. I don't really see how his awakening is relevant. Awakened people fluctuate in consciousness all the time. That said, he would not be the first awakened person to be "lured in" by lower astral realities, that's for sure.

@Commodent I will leave it here and say I respect your views and beliefs, and wish you nothing but love and happiness RE Coincidences: How many until it’s a mathematical impossibility? Anyways, like I said, we are all free to form our own judgements. And, as I mentioned Icke is certainly at least partially awakened and that’s his main message- raising our consciousness! Beyond that, of course he then divides opinions!

It's OK, I support you. And know how hard it is. Just free fall with me. P.s a former mortal now awakened to The Creator. The price, everything.

Leo Gura says he is the most concious being on this planet. I am sad to say that, that is no longer true. Time to give up that title Leo. You cant parade around pretending that your better than everyone anymore. I have ascended the material plane of existence entirely and have merged with the truth completely. I exist in my own domain in the void, a task that no other human has accomplished. Leo Gura speaks of being awakened but he is actually not awakened at all. I have seen it for myself. I have consulted with the other cosmic beings and qw have concluded that Leo is completely deluded and egotistical and all his notions of awakening are completely false. The council has decided to send me to deliver this message as a warning. The reason you dont uderstand this message Leo and the reason you will ban me is because you and your followers are not fully awake. You will never in a million years be as concious as I am. Sorry Leo.

yes it's a tough topic because everybody's experience is different... Remember there's still a conditioned body that could have been abused or had serious trauma occur... There's no rules... what Rings true with Awakening is dropping the resistance.. Even when Osho was getting arrested in Colorado he hid behind the airplane seat... Then someone talked to him into deboarding the plane and he came out with hands clasped and blessing everybody as usual. Once Awakening occurs its fair game... Ego can still show up... In the East they used to call this the "Divine game of Lila" dabbling back and forth in Duality having fun... this although can be a little immature and it doesn't seem like deeply awakened do much of it.

@SageModeAustin Lmaooo What are your goals in life? Consider these areas of life Spirituality/Psychology ---- Health/Body ---- Purpose/Passion ---- Finances/Assets --- Social/Relationships ---- Sex/Romance ---- TIme/Organization ---- Lifestyle/Activities/Miscellaneous Are you financially free? Is your social life perfect? Are you getting as much sex as you want? Are all your needs in Maslow's Hierarchy of needs sated? Are you stage turquoise in spiral dynamics? Do you understand life? Do you understand your emotions? Are you spiritually awakened? Basically is your life perfect/optimal? Also being productive (whether it's enjoyable or suffering) all day doesn't seem optimal or sustainable so you seem right about that. How many hours a day are you allocating to play/relaxation?

Whatever happened to honesty... Nobody here is impressed by how awakened some user on this forum is. Stop with these silly games. Nobody in this thread is fully awake, so stop pretending.

As an awakened soul... You're really just healing and awakening the unconscious /subconscious parts of your own self.

Dang, Victor! Ego is the creative nexus of attach-ability, yes~ but to say it is attachment… or to say without ego, there is no attachment …ok, certainly we can arguably posit that, in a qualified sense (in terms of habitual use of ego) To be precise, ego is a modality. It's a type of pattern awareness, which can be sub-classified as everyday ordinary conditioned consciousness. So if ego is a modality of perceptive functionality, what constitutes its employment? Isn't ego in charge? If not, who is? What constitutes the person? Who, or what isn't the person? How about this: without awareness, there is no person, nor ego. Ego isn't a thing any more than enlightenment. The point is, and especially in terms of the nature of awareness (which is enlightenment), there is no ego. Creation is filled with points of illumination. Enlightenment is illumination. Ego is actually a point-source without a point (on a good day). Enlightenment is itself a selfless intention, yet it has no point. How wondrous is non-attachment? Our nature is awakeness. It would be a higher clarification of consciousness which brings to light an underlying non-psychological basis of identity which can eventually obviate the hopeless intellectualism caught in the broken record of rationalistic dualism that perpetuates the dead words constituting any kind of intellectual discourse encompassing ego-thought consciousness. What ego is, just isn't (so to speak). We really don't have egos, as ego has (is) the personality (function), without exception. Nevertheless, there is an underlying aspect that hardly ever makes it to the table (with good reason). Unless one actually knows ego's original and selfless function in terms of one's enlightening potential, one's strategic application of ego-functionality falls short of accomplishing inconceivable spiritual adaption and transformation by skillful means— or, rather (without getting all buddhist), as ego's tacit functionality (primal duty, really) reverts to its unified functional purpose as enlightening potential's corollary, is what taoist spiritual alchemy calls the efficacy of the sciences of essence and life. These are two, yet one. As well, psychological awareness and nonpsychological awareness are two, yet one. Ego's true purpose is in administratively aiding in truly selfless and spontaneous transcendent activity by virtue of one's innate enlightening potential. Therefore, enlightening activity isn't the person, but it isn't not the person. Either way no one knows. And who might that be? There, that didn't sound very buddhist. DLH presented a conclusive summary of the created psychological apparatus, without failing to omit the body, adding~ "neither good or bad." That kind of insight has no limit of application in terms of non-resistant penetration into the heart of the matter of life and death. Could habitual patterns of attachment being the matrix of webs of collective psychological momentum through eons of ego-consciousness be something that is being left out of the analysis? It stupefies statistical analysis, yet… "We're all one"— isn't that what we say in our altruistic (self-reflective) moments. Actually it's all one (the creative, karmic aspect we find ourselves in). It really doesn't have to be about us, at all, because, in terms of Reality, which isn't even created, much less subjective relativity (sorry, Einstein!), it's about IT. It's utterly a complete whole for those who actually see potential. In looking at it selflessly, (as it is, not as we are), what are we looking at? What are we getting at? It's us; we're not it. Now there's an ego-check. What constitutes ego-attachments? Ego per se, is pretty helpless, it seems, in terms of its own conditioning; it's own psychological momentum, utterly attached (bound, as it were) as a mere discriminatory point-source of the collective unity. How free is that? So what constitutes that which directs or binds ego to… creative process? Ego isn't a thing, actually. The person being the headlong evidence of a mystery unfolding until… one grasps the import of there being no intrinsic reason or causality underlying the created (or the uncreated, for that matter). How can one be so sure? One can't say— that's for sure, but it IS a mystery first and foremost. There is no explanation. Ultimately, there is no reason, as sure as there is no thing. In terms of its function as the (creative's sameness within differentiation) nexus of attach-ability, you might conceive of ego as being naturally aspected of creative being in terms of its adherence to karmic law, law of the creative's realm… by virtue of the unitary aspect Creation itself, wholly becoming, as the conditional singularity it might be considered to be. Neither good not bad, it can be intentionally turned around and used as a tool (that's what it really is, after all). But I asked earlier, "who puts ego to use?" The true human with no status, is the taoist term. It is one's inherent enlightening potential that lies dormant mostly, yet, from time to time, arises of its own accord. Who doesn't know that much? The endless task of self-refinement is the process of "turning around the light" of creation (ego), that gradually results in the efficacious restoration and permanent stability of nonpsychological awareness as the true human with no status evidencing one's awakened enlightening potential realized as a partner of creation, never again to be bound by its former karmic affinity, now actualized as affinity with the primal aspect, as opposed to the conditional. "Turning around the light" is the teaching of reversal; the reversion of the conditioned and the restoration of the primal. Ego isn't what, it's rather that which is bound in creation and liberated in potential, that is, the Unborn, or the un-created. That's not so woo-woo. Why? Awareness isn't created. So ultimately, accessing potential is a matter of seeing. That's the essence of awareness. But there's a catch which I touched on above. That is to say, it's you; you're not it. When you see it, to the degree you see, it becomes you, as it were, all along, perpetually aglow. The aspect of ego being elemental in terms of its potential for self-transcendece is itself the "gateless gate", which anyone familiar with mind only teachings of buddhism has heard of. Ultimately, who knows?

Ya all what you shared here sounds like good matters to keep pondering. However the nothing mattering can be a very sensitive line to tread because its often said, heard and understood with a slant of nihilisticness in it. Perhaps its best to more often communicate, Only Love, since Love is what is and its not about it mattering or not, but just being that..... A word on the Ajata point and I'm not sure I fully grasp what the teacher here is trying to convey (I fully resonate with the Advaita message you quoted), but from the tinny bit I've gathered online, it refers to the yet unborn side of the all that is, is THAT. From my own experience this would be pointing to the aspect of Ones yet to be unfolding, a bubbling up within an Awakened surrendered or a story of experience yet to be manifest. While the One is always whole and only itself, layers of its everchangingness and new dimensions of itself are always coming forth, like a creative thought that arise out of nowhere in a supposed mind, that sprouts forth a new song yet heard. This song arose from nothing with no control. In the same way, Oneness itself is always unfolding in this same way from its own unknown depths sprouting forth newness that wasn't there before, yet is always itself.. Don't confuse this unfolding as form and not form, since its never this or that, its always itself.

I wouldn't call it a stare, more like a full attention and presence which most unawakened folks haven't achieved. Their compassionate and loving listening puts us on the spot, invoking us to open up our innermost feelings and suffering which is usually hidden from the world out of fear. We don't feel comfortable opening up to most people because we (probably rightly) fear they have selfish motives. But an awakened person has no agenda of their own, just unconditional love, which is scary and irresistible at the same time!

@How to be wise An Athlete could simply do that by doing what they love to do in playing sports, express this understanding when relating to people, the media, fans, peers etc, and of course playing the game in the fairest and freest way possible and simply expressing their understanding through their medium of Sport. An athlete's career rarely goes past 40 anyways, and I feel we desperately need awakened beings in these mainstream industries, as they will automatically have a HUGE audience! Like I said, I'm looking forward to the day industries like Sports and Fitness are littered with high consciousness beings simply expressing this understanding through their sport, it's going to be amazing.

No. Straight out no. It's about ❤️. You know what @Nahm's dreamboard is 7 million times more helpful for ❤️ awakening then this empty talk about "there is no one inside" "awareness" and such. ❤️ Is epic is monumental is absolute it's infinite literally and it's real you. THIS is fully you. That is what no separation is actually. All you. This specific "enlightened master" and if you really are awake you will never call yourself like that, yes there is no "you" as person you know but there is a YOU (❤️),is as Leo likes to call it level of mind awakening. That's not ❤️ awakening and if he really is ❤️ awakened he will speak much differently he will sometimes cry like Leo for example and will not be dispassionate at all. Just my take you know.

@Inliytened1 Yes, certainly someone can be awakened as fuck and then act like a complete twat and cheat in his wife, abuse his students and abuse his power. However, to be that is a sign of an 'incomplete' awakening, as after awakening to love and embodying it I feel the capacity to do such things reduces massively. I know many here don't like the LOC scale, but I'll bring it in as it applies well here for this scenario. What you're basically describing is the LOC 700s, where the 'I am the Universe/ God/ Everything' rhetoric comes in. Don't get me wrong it's an AMAZING awakening and puts an end to the whole No-Self jargon which I think we both have had enough of on here However, this awakening can occasionally be used to say 'I'm enlightened, I'm the whole universe and I'm superior to you, so I can treat you how I want!' This happened in cases such as Bentino Massano, Mooji, and Ramaji had Osho in the 700s also. But, it is clear these people are awakened isn't it, however, their behavior didn't align at all, which is both an embodiment and the fact the true opening to infinite love and The Self/ God as being IT hasn't been recognized. Any sort of superiority is dropped with true Self-Realisation, that's kind of my other issue here with Psyches, if they make people think they're superior, then they aren't a true awakening, which is the most humbling thing possible when you literally realize you are the SAME as everyone else, and there simply isn't a hierarchy. There is just beings who have recognized the nature of their own being, and those who haven't, either way, EVERYONE is The Self/ God and everyone is you. Any notions of superiority and being better is instantly wiped away. So I don't think embodiment is something to take lightly, if we look at beings such as Rupert Spira, Francis Lucille, Adya, Ramana Maharshi and Nisgardatta (All at 'LOC 1000') they are exact examples of what I mean, they have aligned their lives with truth, happiness and peace. And, this doesn't mean you have to become a teacher or anything, just simply your life becomes an expression of peace, love and happiness in all areas such as Work, Relationships, Activities, Actions, Thoughts, and Feelings. So, to me becoming a Zen Devil would quite frankly be the sign there is further to go either in awakening sense or embodiment sense. And, just to be clear here, I am far from perfect in this area, as I am still very much integrating as most of us here are (for example in Zen they say it can take up to 7 years to truly integrate, @Haumea2018 has been at '1000' for 2 years, and said it involves a LOT of shadow work and purification) The thing is people will then think oh if you're still doing work how can you be awake?!?!?!?!? That's also my gripe with the No-Self clan, it seems as much as 'there's nothing to do and nobody here' they don't want to face the shadow and dark side within, because it really isn't fun at times I can tell you that! But, you could easily do Shadow work and purification pre-awakening, it just becomes a LOT easier when the I-thought is no longer in the way sabotaging you. And lastly, to me understanding The Self/ The Absolute, and not living like it is simply not understanding the teaching fully, embodiment can bring even deeper levels of harmony and being in my experience as you aren't living 'against' the Truth. For example, I would imagine an awakened being would find it hard to then go and be a marketer for McDonald's and continue poisoning kids, I feel they'd be called to move to a company doing the opposite if you get me. I rambled on a bit there but in one sentence- I don't see Zen Devils as fully awake, to me integration and embodiment is so so important, and Realisation and Insights are like Chapter 1-2 in the book! I think Rupert talks about this somewhere, I'll try and find it @Display_Name Not until I'm 25 Also, I'm currently still working on embodiment and integration and the 'clearing' stage of this work, so right now it wouldn't be right for me, maybe in several years as a test it could be fun @fridjonk Wrong! 5MEO takes you to LOC99999999999!