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  1. @Joseph Maynor , agreed. And some things are said more sloppily than others. But it is best to not get too caught up with the words. Mere pointers. Words (and phrases) are never the truth.
  2. You are right...nonduality is not a container and it is important not to get trapped up in thoughts. Also, dualities are created by thoughts. No thoughts, no dualities. I would agree. Duality is a fiction of the mind. We are not living in duality...it has always been nonduality. The idea that nonduality includes duality, in a way, gives legitimacy and reality to duality. However, one sees duality because of ignorance and illusion. It never was real...just as a rabbit being pulled from a hat is not real...but it exists as an illusion. So duality, as an illusion, exists within nonduality. There is only the appearance of duality (apparent duality) which is included in nonduality. Much of the confusion comes from conventions of speech and thought. Let's take a mirage. You see water, but in reality it is light refracting off of hot air (on the desert, pavement, etc.). As nonduality has no "other" or exclusion...so in this spirit, you would have to say there is hot air, refracted light, and the appearance of water. It would be incorrect to say there is water...as a reality. The illusion of water exists, but it is not real..water is not what is there. This is not excluding or creating otherness. It is just accurately verbalizing what is.
  3. Like I mentioned, this is like what Suzuki talked about in Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind. You cultivate or try to always have a beginner's mind...always have an empty cup. Then with a silent mind...without referring to past concepts or knowledge...you just see what is. In this way, you will likely see what is as it truly is...not through filters of mental concepts, beliefs, knowledge, etc.
  4. No, sitting thoughtlessly is not enlightenment. But it does make it easier for enlightenment to happen. Sitting thoughtlessly is not even a test for enlightenment.
  5. Basically, one who thinks they know or has a lot of knowledge about something really can not learn. If you want to learn, you must let go of what you think you know and just learn. This is similar to what Suzuki was talking about in Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind. You must have a beginners mind. So if you need a literal piece-by-piece translation, the cup is the mind, what is to emptied is the content of the mind (knowledge)...and the reason is because the present can never truly be known as it really is when trying to get it to conform to the past (knowledge). The past becomes a hindrance to seeing the present. Knowledge becomes a filter through which we try to get what is perceived to fit. Learning is finding out what you do not know...and you can not easily see what you do not know through the filters of knowledge already gained.
  6. @OnceMore , what happens in the world could appear very different. The fear of death would be gone...as well as the taboo and stigma we assign to it (culturally conditioned). I will just speak of my experience and then extrapolate based on what is felt/understood now. Several years ago, my grandmother died...the grandparent I saw the most, knew the best...my favorite. I remember my mom calling. She was crying and sniffling and said she had to tell me something...and broke me the news. It really did not affect me negatively...there was no suffering. I didn't even cry. It was accepted...immediately. I remember my mom asking me what was going on...as my reaction was not fitting her expectations. So I told her something she would accept...that this is what grandma wanted (as her life revolved around grandpa...who died a couple years prior). Also, that I could feel her (grandma) even then and so she only lost her body. She seemed to accept it and seemed comforted by it. In all sincerity, I am ready to die today (if it came for me)...but I don't seek death. I have accepted the impermanence of all things...and the lack of control over when and how things leave. Everything and everyone will leave my life one day (inevitably)...or I will leave them (at my death). There is no reason to fear it...and no point in worrying about it. So, if my dad died tomorrow...I feel right now that I would not suffer and likely would not cry (in imagining he just died now). I already accepted his death as something that would happen within my lifetime. It was certain to occur at some point. Instead, I focus on appreciating him in my life while he is alive. When he dies, I would be grateful for the time I had with him...there would be joy in having known him as my father (without the desire/need for him to continue in my life in order for me to be happy). This would actually make me very useful to my family in making funeral arrangements, because I would be able to respond immediately to the task at hand. Others may procrastinate or find it too painful to work on yet. Among them, obviously I know I can't look too happy and must put on a stoic face at least...otherwise my non-resistance to his death so quickly might hurt them. They would not understand that I have already accepted his death while he is alive...and accepted my own death while I am alive. Death is only a problem or horrible for those who identify with the body/mind. Enlightenment happens, but it does not make you emotionless or inhuman. But at the same time, you can't compare and ask "which is even the more human reaction" because typical "human reactions" is insanity. Look at the world and its typical "human reactions". Accepting and surrendering to what-is unconditionally sounds inhuman to the ego and the mind/ego can't figure out how life would work because it is egoic...and the ego is sustained by not accepting and resisting the realities of life. There is great joy, love, hapiness, etc. in life...and joyful and loving relationships occur...so what I am not talking about is not cold or emotionless. Non-attachment is not cold and emotionless...it is simply non-resisting and non-denying what is. Fully embracing what is. Appreciating what is for as long as it is.
  7. Nothing that is going on is personal.
  8. Wisdom. An enlightened person still would look both ways before crossing the street.
  9. They exist as much as you do. They are as real as you are. Regardless of "your" consciousness. It is rather egocentric really to go to funerals and see others die, but think the world and everything would disappear once you die. This is just another way to make the world revolve around you (so to speak). What ego!
  10. The ego is a mirage. We take what is happening and assign some of it to the "ego" and some to a "truth self". Neither exists...they are figments of the imagination (i.e. thought). Things happen and there is identification with it - my thoughts, my words, my actions. That is ego. The ego is the doer. But that "my" and "doer" is a fiction. The ego like a mirage...what is perceived is taken for something it is not. In a mirage, refracted light off of hot air is mistaken to be water.
  11. Thank you. I have no idea who Paul Hedderman is...so I will have to take your word for it.
  12. @Nahm , meditation does ease some stress, suffering, etc. I don't deny that practices can be partially successful. Even the 30 year meditator I mentioned, he said he has seen many benefits from his meditation and has had amazing spiritual experiences. He says he is not even the same person he was compared to before he started. However, he still suffers and he tells me enlightenment is something he still seeks. He just is not content. We have spoken for many hours and I can see that he still has not delved into the "me"...instead he is trying to grasp enlightenment through the mind (thinking/logic) or through meditating longer or perhaps a new practice (other than just sitting with who you feel you are and looking at it). In all version, he is trying to do something to get over some invisible obstacle. I keep telling him, he has created the obstacle in his own mind...there is no obstacle...also there is no "me" to get over the obstacle...you need to look at the mind and who you think you are. It is somewhat amazing how resistant people are to looking at who they think they are and questioning what am I? They want to do anything but that. In so doing, they distract themselves from the root...the base upon which most of the other illusions of the mind are founded.
  13. We agree that mental masturbation is a distraction and will not help.