Is Nahm banned? Or just demoted?

[allislove]

@Inliytened1

Anyway, good luck in your journey as well ?

This whole thing is not interested for me anymore... by seeing that the member who contributed the most to the forum is leaving in such a way.

[Inliytened1]

16 minutes ago, allislove said:

@Inliytened1 in the message your quoted by 'those believes' I was pointing to believes like that:

A) I hold the highest teachings

B) 5-MeO gives me the Truth

C) There are levels of consciousness and I hold the highest

Ok...gotchya.  well for him perhaps 5meo does put him straight into Infinity.  He's a freak with psychedelics.  I'm a freak without them...as for his claim no one else is awake  im the most awake..etc..that is just his ego...I don't care about that.   What I cared about was whether the teachings were sound and they are extremely sound.  That's all that matters.    They can take you to God Realization.

[Gili Trawangan]

14 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Nahm was not teaching God realization..I don't know why.  Maybe he wasn't awakened.  I don't wanna speculate and it's irrelevant..but he was not teaching that.  He was teaching no self and that was it.

He was talking about no-self because in this forum, lately, that is what is most needed.

Have you seen the dozens of threads of people scared shitless of eternity all alone? This is a direct result of this "I am the only conscious being" talk. The awakening to God is amazing, the best experience to be had, for sure. It's worth talking about it, yes. But the illusory self is so sticky that this experience is then taken as a new identity. When there are actually no entities at all. God is NOT a self! Therefore there is no one to be alone for eternity. And Leo's latest teachings are simply misleading, sloppy and immature. Both in content and delivery.

The results have been quite noticeable on the forum. And Nahm saw this very clearly, that's what happened.

[Nadosa]

Just now, Gili Trawangan said:

He was talking about no-self because in this forum, lately, that is what is most needed.

Have you seen the dozens of threads of people scared shitless of eternity all alone? This is a direct result of this "I am the only conscious being" talk. The awakening to God is amazing, the best experience to be had, for sure. It's worth talking about it, yes. But the illusory self is so sticky that this experience is then taken as a new identity. When there are actually no entities at all. God is NOT a self! Therefore there is no one to be alone for eternity. And Leo's latest teachings are simply misleading, sloppy and immature. Both in content and delivery.

The results have been quite noticeable on the forum. And Nahm saw this very clearly, that's what happened.

exactly this, Nahm was actually adressing the "issue" at its core. 

[Ananta]

35 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

They were donations at first and then he started charging. I am responsible for my actions, I should have known he was a charlatan before I started paying him.

He set up a situation where i believed he was an authority and could alleviate my suffering. I thought he had the keys to happiness.

And so I end up in a situation where I am paying in hopes of one day finally understanding his great teaching.

There are guru-disciple relationships and ethics for a reason

I know it probably feels good to drag his name through the mud, since you feel you were taken by him, but ultimately you need to own your actions and part in this whole thing.

You agreed for him to work with you. You agreed to give him donations and I highly doubt he said for you to give him thousands in donations. I would bet you suggested for it to be thousands. If he worked with you for 6-8 months and sometime within that time period he decided to start charging for his services, then you could have walked away at that point, but no, you paid more.

Sorry, but you have some responsibility here. Instead of actually taking responsibility for your actions your saying he was a horrible teacher, a charlatan, etc, etc. He didn't end your suffering I guess and your pissed about it.

Live and learn.

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Gili Trawangan said:

He was talking about no-self because in this forum, lately, that is what is most needed.

 

No self is one thing....but to say no self..no God realization. No this is.belief and thought.  Let thiughts go..this is going to hinder someone more than help because they may never explore conscioisness further or soak up the teachings here.  There is an existential aloness when it is realized that all of reality is being held within your consciousness..when you are shown this directly..it is a shock.  It can lead to destabilization or depression.  Spirituality is dangerous. But yes if there were people who were unstable or turning this work into dogma or delusion  then it's better to just tell them to get away from spirituality altogether rather than fill there minds with there is no you...that would make an unstable person worse

[Thought Art]

47 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Ok...gotchya.  well for him perhaps 5meo does put him straight into Infinity.  He's a freak with psychedelics.  I'm a freak without them...as for his claim no one else is awake  im the most awake..etc..that is just his ego..

Yeah, kind of odd.

I exist.. I don't see Leo anywhere.

Edited February 22, 2022 by Thought Art

[SOUL]

Let's be clear here folks.... it's all story.

So when someone is selling books, retreats, courses and such they aren't selling anything except a story that distracts from the old story by giving a new story.

Leo is just a very gifted story teller... a story of nothing.

If you think it's anything more than that you are just telling yourself a story.

Transcending our story so just being presence.... now that's quite the story.

[Danioover9000]

@Gregory1

13 hours ago, Gregory1 said:

As the title suggests.

@Nahm @Leo Gura

Please keep Nahm on the forum. He has a unique perspective to offer which can help people.

For reference: https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/78292-nahm-demoted/

   I think he got demoted, but not banned, and I think Nahm won't be back for a while.

[Thought Art]

It feels great to say "I don't really know. I may need help with some things."

Edited February 23, 2022 by Thought Art

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, allislove said:

@Inliytened1

Anyway, good luck in your journey as well ?

This whole thing is not interested for me anymore... by seeing that the member who contributed the most to the forum is leaving in such a way.

Thanks man you too...i know you looked up to him a lot.

[hyruga]

13 hours ago, Scholar said:

I don't think he can bring himself to do that, his response would be something like "Defend what? There is no "Nahm" and there is no "position".There is only Truth. Love, love, love".

 

Epic Answer.

If there is no "Nahm", then "he" certainly don't have to care what others think. And "he" can just continue to post over here as per normal. There is only Truth. Love, love, love.

[Happy Lizard]

32 minutes ago, Loba said:

 there's really only one thing he did, which was accept too much money for something he couldn't deliver; but other than that, his posts would direct you to what Leo is talking about, too, and have before.  They weren't bad posts, just inaccessible sometimes.

he did use to talk at/tell/talk down to people a lot ... I have witnessed this in many topics yet thought that was just him , I respected him and gave authority and reverence  just because everyone else was doing it. He would post things that when I'm reading, and it's not directed at me it feels true. yet when he talks/post back to me, it feels ... well, weird, similar to someone saying a bad thing about you but with a grin. 

even with all of that said, I just kept on thinking: "he's a mod, he deserves respect, he's obviously kind to others and others like him. whatever, maybe he's just weird with people like that."

The fact that lots of people are not liking what happened, and are just now talking is not because we are vaulters that pray on dead corps, the fact is, we all didn't like it, and we all couldn't speak out, we didn't even know how to put it. Even mods are having a hard time believing us, but I also don't appreciate implying that lots of us here are traitors to talk about someone behind their back .... like, no! try to see that we are also concerned and want the best for this community as you are, it's just happing all of sudden which I can see why it's causing so much controversy. 

I think enough has been said here to have a critical thinking member to decide for themselves where they stand on things regarding Nahm.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Happy Lizard

[aurum]

Shitty situation.

Leo has to do what he thinks is right for the forum.

As much as I like Nahm, I have to agree that the majority of the time I couldn’t understand his posts at all.

I’m sure Nahm understood Nahm, but it didn’t seem to translate to practical teachings at times.

He did contribute massively to the forum. I hope he finds a place where his teachings are better received, or perhaps he switches up his style. 

[Raptorsin7]

3 hours ago, Nadosa said:

The expectation of change changed to full recognition of felt guidance and being who I already and always have been. ME. 

Okay so then what? 

So you feel yourself, great I can do that too. But where does that lead?

How did realizing you have always been you meaningfully change anything about your life 

[Raptorsin7]

2 hours ago, Ananta said:

I know it probably feels good to drag his name through the mud, since you feel you were taken by him, but ultimately you need to own your actions and part in this whole thing.

You agreed for him to work with you. You agreed to give him donations and I highly doubt he said for you to give him thousands in donations. I would bet you suggested for it to be thousands. If he worked with you for 6-8 months and sometime within that time period he decided to start charging for his services, then you could have walked away at that point, but no, you paid more.

Sorry, but you have some responsibility here. Instead of actually taking responsibility for your actions your saying he was a horrible teacher, a charlatan, etc, etc. He didn't end your suffering I guess and your pissed about it.

Live and learn.

He is a charlatan, and I have taken responsibility.

I am doing a service by pointing out his fraud so people can learn from my example.

The reason you feel the compulsion to check what I'm saying is likely because you lack integrity and ethics, and so empathize with dishonest folks like Nahm 

[Vido]

Oh no! The only encounter I had with him was when I just woke up and was having a bad day RIP

Edited February 23, 2022 by Vido

[Raptorsin7]

1 hour ago, hyruga said:

Epic Answer.

If there is no "Nahm", then "he" certainly don't have to care what others think. And "he" can just continue to post over here as per normal. There is only Truth. Love, love, love.

He has no integrity he can't admit to his own delivry and accept responsibility for what happened 

To everyone who feels compelled to stand up and defend Nahm

 

Edited February 23, 2022 by Raptorsin7

[Happy Lizard]

9 minutes ago, Loba said:

  It does kind of look a bit like vultures going after a corpse - because people really felt the need to drive home the "I can't understand you" point

nope, I have to disagree here. 

it's not like people didn't speak. they did, but were given the Teflon pan treatment. Some didn't, like me, and the reason why I'm upset is that he just got too much authority and an idol status, I feel very light hearted criticizing Leo for example ,and he can choose to ban me, but Nahm has such loyal following that even with all what I say/have said people will still doubt you, I think this is wrong and no one is above criticism like that. 

I'm not against Nahm, if his words helped you I have no issue with that. but I had to speak out because I can be saving someone time/money/self-esteem ( form my own perspective ) by taking a bit of caution before seeking Nahm's - or anyone else for that matter- help. 

[Raptorsin7]

10 minutes ago, Happy Lizard said:

nope, I have to disagree here. 

it's not like people didn't speak. they did, but were given the Teflon pan treatment. Some didn't, like me, and the reason why I'm upset is that he just got too much authority and an idol status, I feel very light hearted criticizing Leo for example ,and he can choose to ban me, but Nahm has such loyal following that even with all what I say/have said people will still doubt you, I think this is wrong and no one is above criticism like that. 

I'm not against Nahm, if his words helped you I have no issue with that. but I had to speak out because I can be saving someone time/money/self-esteem ( form my own perspective ) by taking a bit of caution before seeking Nahm's - or anyone else for that matter- help. 

They gaslight you, and act like you are the crazy one for questioning Nahm.

In their minds Nahm is god, so they have so much invested in the conception that Nahm is honest and acts with integrity