Nahm Demoted

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, Tim R said:

@Raptorsin7 Again: it's not that people criticise him. It's that they think they can now call him things and accuse him of being a fraud and yes, that's not what this thread is for and it's thus not constructive.

Is ripping content directly from an app without giving credit not fraudulent? Or do you think @Happy Lizard is lying?

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Raptorsin7 said:

Is ripping content directly from an app without giving credit not fraudulent? Or do you think @Happy Lizard is lying?

Enough. 

[Tim R]

1 minute ago, Raptorsin7 said:

Is ripping content directly from an app without giving credit not fraudulent? Or do you think @Happy Lizard is lying?

This is entirely irrelevant to this thread... 

[Carl-Richard]

52 minutes ago, Loba said:

@Carl-Richard I thought it was an open question since it wasn't directed at anyone.
I thought you were trying to get the forum to think about the times they were misunderstood as a way to try to understand how Nahm might be feeling.

The God-realization talk has the same dynamic as the Neo-Advaita talk: it's all just pointers that don't make sense without an experiential reference point. In some sense, talking in riddles is a more consistent way of communicating this fact.

[Bando]

Nahm was a great imo we chatted before and he helped me overcome some issues I was having in my life a while back. He's the one who really brought it home for me why its important to practice connecting with your emotions and raising your "vibe", that emotional chart he would link helped with that. Also setting up a dreamboard and using it to properly vision the life you want to create was great as well.

Around last year he was giving really practical advice but it has turned into these really cryptic messages as of late. I dont think banning him is the right move but demoting him and making this post to call out his behavior is good.

Also him charing you for sessions is not a bad, true value should not be free. If your serious about self development you will have to spend money to learn from teachers you think are worthy. I've also lost money from some teachers I wanted to learn things from but the net positive has always been much higher.

Being 100% results oriented, communicating your sticking points and learning what type of teachers to avoid is a skill that must be practised especially if the type your asking for coaching services.

If you dish out thousands of dollars and your not seeing practical results and you cant clearly communicate that to your coach you are part of the problem and should not pass 100% blame on them

[BlueOak]

I miss the style of spirituality that Nahm embodies. Its why I didn't connect with spirituality communities in the same way anymore. Sort of like a missing aspect of it, chopping off the non duality aspect. I felt it levelled me out somewhat.

Of course its all your preferences, your house, your style, your rules. But if @Nahm reads this and tells us where he heads next, please drop me a mention as to where that is. I feel I benefit from both styles and could use less of a heavy handed, serious and/or material approach at times - within myself I should say.

Edited February 21, 2022 by BlueOak

[Raptorsin7]

Fundamentally, if Nahm is who some of you think he is then he will be totally fine and this kind of criticism is exactly what you would expect and be capable of handling as a real, embodied teacher. 

But with the amount of defense and concern being shown on here, you would think Nahm isn't strong enough or secure enough to withstand harsh criticism and judgment?

True humility cannot be humbled. At the very least this is a litmus test

[undeather]

13 minutes ago, Tim R said:

@Alex_R

A-dvai-ta (Sanskrit) means not-two-ness. It's basically a form of teaching nonduality where one constantly tries to point out the dualities of thought.

May I introduce you to the legendary Neo-Advaita Bears?

 

HAH! I didnt know that one. Great video. Absolutely love it. 
Kinda enjoyed that one too:

 

 

Edited February 21, 2022 by undeather

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

Fundamentally, if Nahm is who some of you think he is then he will be totally fine and this kind of criticism is exactly what you would expect and be capable of handling as a real, embodied teacher. 

But with the amount of defense and concern being shown on here, you would think Nahm isn't strong enough or secure enough to withstand harsh criticism and judgment?

True humility cannot be humbled. At the very least this is a litmus test

It's not defense, its respect for a legend of this forum.

[Nadosa]

2 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

Fundamentally, if Nahm is who some of you think he is then he will be totally fine and this kind of criticism is exactly what you would expect and be capable of handling as a real, embodied teacher. 

But with the amount of defense and concern being shown on here, you would think Nahm isn't strong enough or secure enough to withstand harsh criticism and judgment?

True humility cannot be humbled. At the very least this is a litmus test

7 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

Is ripping content directly from an app without giving credit not fraudulent? Or do you think @Happy Lizard is lying?

Put your thoughts aside for a while. And let's just thank Nahm for the time he invested here for everyone. 

[StarStruck]

2 hours ago, puporing said:

@Raptorsin7

What I was always a bit confused by was that @Leo Gura stated in his Guidelines:

What’s NOT Allowed:

Self-promotion

Coming here to start your teaching/coaching/guru business by leeching off this audience
 

Not sure how this was an exception/was allowed to continue for so long.

In my opinion Leo should be ruthless on this point. A lot of people are here for self promotion and "finding clients" and it just taints the character of this forum.  Self promotion should be banned.

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Tim R said:

@Alex_R

A-dvai-ta (Sanskrit) means not-two-ness. It's basically a form of teaching nonduality where one constantly tries to point out the dualities of thought.

May I introduce you to the legendary Neo-Advaita Bears?

 

I love Phil and Leo, but this is such a perfect parody of their conversation. This is hilarious. 

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

In my opinion Leo should be ruthless on this point. A lot of people are here for self promotion and "finding clients" and it just taints the character of this forum.  Self promotion should be banned.

Life is not black and white.  The Absolute is

  But reality doesn't work that way.   If you live your life in the black and white you will.never get anywhere.  In life flexibility is everything 

 

[Osaid]

All I will say is that Nahm has helped me the most on this forum.

Lots of people here criticizing someone/something they apparently don't understand, which leads to strawmans

[Ananta]

@Nahm 

Nahm was always nice to me and he was a great mod. I send him love and respect. ❤?

[Roy]

This is not what I expected to wake up to.... 

Nahm is one of the wisest and purist people I've ever met, and has helped me more than I can repay. That exchange with Leo via PM looks a little odd, that he would insist on using such language when confronted about it. I've talked to him several times via zoom/phone, and his communication style there is very easy going, peaceful, and understandable. I'm not sure why the contrast between that style and the style of his text is the way it is, only he can answer that and I respect him not to make assumptions or false conclusions about that choice, whether deliberate or not.

I do understand why it can be frustrating for newer people and those not familiar with him, not understanding what he is talking about sometimes. To explain or talk about spirituality and other esoteric concepts there seems to be an additional layer of language needed, which is not common in most mainstream cultures around the world. The problem is text is just inherently limiting, and it's easy to misinterpret a message, an emotional state, or someone's intention.

We can all work on our communication, at the very least to hold it back from being destructive. Everyone has their way of bringing their perspective to the table.

All I'll say on the matter is while somewhat cryptic, I believe Nahm's messages largely innocuous and of loving intent. In the future I hope there is a moment where these two bridges can be built together again.

 

[Tim R]

2 minutes ago, EmptyVase said:

I love Phil and Leo, but this is such a perfect parody of their conversation. This is hilarious. 

just to be clear, I didn't send that video because of anything related to Nahm or Leo, I just thought it was funny to give Alex_R this video as an explanation for neo-advaita? 

[Javfly33]

I think Nahms integrity is too Big to start writing "normally" if he desires to write like that. Having said that, I totally understand Leo. Its a tough decision anyway.

Maybe he could *try to speak more down to earth. Although the fact is I always thought Nahms just speaks the Truth, so making It relative instead of "truthful" would be kind of 'lying' for him. Difficult situation. I Hope you stay @Nahm man   

[How to be wise]

1 hour ago, Derek White said:

He said you can manifest absolutely anything with LOA, including winning lotteries, changing your physical features like height, fixing terminal cancer, etc.

If he can manifest anything, why does he charge for his lessons ?. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Tim R said:

just to be clear, I didn't send that video because of anything related to Nahm or Leo, I just thought it was funny to give Alex_R this video as an explanation for neo-advaita? 

It's indeed funny and coincidentally perfectly capturing the situation. Not taking sides here.