Muhammad Jawad

Soonhei (Member of this community) killed himself to experience Conscious Death. :-(

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2 hours ago, kinesin said:

Yeah, that thread is indeed quite a good example of it.  I found one of his comments in there to be a particularly egregious demonstration of his lack of insight.  Truly, Leo is living in a dream world and needs to wake up and realise he's speaking to actual, living people when he gives such poorly thought out teachings.

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Again.... this is risking of turning into a witch hunt :o

Don't do that. Be smarter and recognize that someone committed suicide and we DON'T know what he was thinking! He must have had some kind of hidden depression or some dark night of the soul, or other well-concealed problems. Nobody here ever suggested suicide....

Stop the inquisition before it becomes a pitchfork mob.... Don't fall in mass unconsciousness. (I'm talking to everyone, not just you :) )

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@SoonHei To his sister, thank you for replying and confirming his death. As of now, I am inclined to believe you that it is true. Although I have no further proof of it. I'm sorry for your loss and I understand it is confusing why a spiritual and happy person would do such a gratuitous thing.

There is nothing spiritual about jumping off a bridge. It's clear from his messages that he understood his dream would end. So that's exactly what happens. The dream of life ends. The dream of life is a beautiful gift and ending it prematurely for no good reason (such as extreme suffering) is a ridiculously unnecessary thing to do. Life is meant to be lived out, not ended prematurely. Spiritual awakening can be had here and now, without need of any physical harm to the body. That is the entire point of spiritual work and practice. If jumping off a bridge was valid spiritual practice, then there wouldn't need to be any teachings. The teaching would just be: go jump off a bridge. And obviously no spiritual person teaches that.

It frustrates me when people misuse spiritual teachings in such gross and obvious ways.

8 hours ago, Scholar said:

It should not be surprising, the philosophy Leo is using to describe spirituality is even more radical than this. Connor is a good example of this too.

Connor is mentally ill, batshit crazy, and has no integrity. Do not associate my teachings with Connor in any way. He broke everything I told him and I warned him about. I warned him back in December 2020 by phone that what he was doing was antithetical to my teachings. The things he was doing went against the core of what I teach and warned about in my Become A Zen Devil video, and many other videos. He was chronically abusing psychedelics in ways that I warned against from day 1 in my video: How To Use Psychedelics For Personal Development, and elsewhere. He also lied to me multiple times. He lied to me about his chronic psychedelic use, he lied about mental illness, and more.

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If you say everything is Good and Love, it is simply illogical to claim that it is better to do X.

You need to distinguish between what is true and what is convenient from a social POV.

It is true that everything is Good and Love. This truth make zero prescriptive claims. It does not justify anything and it does not tell you what you should or shouldn't do.

Do not frame this situation such that speaking truth is discouraged or impossible. Myself and others are not going to lie about what is true just because someone might jump off a bridge. The idea that reality is a dream/illusion has been spoke of by mystics and sages for thousands of years, and this understanding is commonly available to anyone who reads spiritual literature. Do not act like Actualized.org invented this notion. All of the spiritual masters you revere and love: Ramana Maharishi, Eckhart Tolle, and whoever else -- have told you that reality is an illusion/dream.

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This philosophy claims to recognize that torture and rape is Perfection. Not just suicide.

Again, this is absolutely true. This is what serious spirituality claims. But it makes no prescriptive claims.

It is not like Actualized.org is the first to say that reality is Perfection. This has been said by spiritual teachers and mystics across time.

In all of my work I have never acted like relative truths and social issues are unimportant. In fact, I embody the opposite. I speak about Conscious Politics so much because relative social issues are very important. Nobody following my work should get the idea that a healthy society is unimportant or that criminality or doing suffering to others is acceptable.

This is so obvious that to even shoot a video stating so would be seen as needlessly obvious. Do I really need to release a video in which I say: "Being a criminal is not good and you should not harm other people? Do not rape or torture others. Do not jump off a bridge." Would anyone who was serious about criminality, rape, torture, or jumping off a bridge watch such a video and listen to it? You see, this is a game that cannot be won.

Also, much of my work is not about spirituality but personal development, building a good life, being active in life, living a life purpose, and improving your health. I have never discounted the importance of building a good life, even as I talked about awakening and God and so forth. In fact I have warned against using spirituality as an escape from mastering survival. I talk about the importance of building a Stage Blue foundation.

But in the end, if someone decides that they don't want to play the game of survival any more and just want to rest with God, who are we to stop them? From our POV that seems foolish and unnecessary, but if a spiritual seeker wants to end his dream, that is his right and I will not invent some fantasy for why he is morally wrong in doing so. He is not wrong. I would just tell him not to do it because life is a precious gift and ought to be enjoyed, not escaped.

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This is another reason why you ought to be careful about how you construct this philosophy. See, if people truly believe what you say, the might blow themselves up together with others for Jihad.

A) Truth, consciousness, and awakening are not philosophies. And it has been stated ad nausea not to take them as beliefs or philosophy. The dangers of ideology have been explained by me perhaps more than any other spiritual teacher. All I do is talk about the dangers of ideology.

B) Great detail is put into the teachings/videos to explain how self-deceptive the ego-mind is, how selfish it is, how many traps in this work there are, and further elaborations.

The fact is that the ego-mind will use whatever stories it wants to justify its selfish actions. If someone wants to blow themselves up for Jihad, they will find a way to justify it in their minds. My work goes into so much length about the ease with which the ego-mind will justify selfish activity and corrupt and co-opt spiritual truths.

In the case of Jihad, I specifically teach about the difference between Lesser Jihad and Greater Jihad.

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And then what do you do as a teacher? You say "No no, this is bad PR, this is wrong! When I said everything is Good and Perfect, I actually meant you should behave morally because it's stupid to behave immorally!". Are you sure?

See, because you are contradicting yourself, if someone truly believes what you say with actual conviction, he will laugh at you, as Connor does at Leo when he tries to tell him what he is doing is "bad". Clearly in one moment you say it's bad and in the other you say it's Perfection. You tell him whatever fits your agenda. And he will clearly see this if he truly and fully is convinced that reality is perfection, or that it is a dream, or anything else.

There is no contradiction at all.

It is simply true that everything is Good and Perfect. This is what awakening reveals. But how you behave has consequences and there are relative truths. If you stick your hand in a fire, it will burn.

What Connor did was "bad" only in a relative sense, from a social POV. There is no contradiction here.

It's not that I tell him whatever fits my agenda. It's that his ego-mind says whatever it wants to justify however it wants to behave. And this is have taught a lot: that your own mind will trick you and justify whatever selfishness is wants without limit.

I also teach how there are many POVs and perspectives, absolute and relative, and that absolute and relative should be not be conflated.

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See, if reality is a dream, every excuse for why you should not torture someone goes out the window. You can pretend like this is not the case, but it is.

It is simply true that reality is a dream. I will say this and teach this whether you decide to torture someone or not. If you decide to torture someone, those consequence are 100% on you, even though its all a dream. Dreams have consequences.

It is important to give people warnings about misunderstanding the teachings. And will certainly do more of that in the future, as I have in the past. BUT, all spiritual work has inherent risks, especially when done at mass scale, this is unavoidable and such teachings cannot be made fool-proof. I have also said that many times in the past. No matter what is taught about spirituality, there will always come along some fool, mentally ill person, or criminal who takes the teaching and uses to justify whatever selfish action he wants.

When Eckhart Tolle teaches something, "Just be in the now", some fool somewhere will take that to mean, "I can just off a cliff and just be in the now and things should go okay for me". Or when some Christian mystic says, "God forgives all sins and doesn't judge you", some criminal will take that to mean, "Okay, so if I kill my neighbor God will just forgive me and there will be on consequences."

Where does it end? How many disclaimers and warnings must be given? The problem is that an ego-mind who is self-deceived will not be interested in any warnings or disclaimers or even reason. Meanwhile reasonable people will find the disclaimers tedious and so obvious as to be unnecessary. The mind has an infinite capacity for denial and it will do whatever it wants to do. We should take measure to prevent genuine misunderstanding of the teachings by reasonable and well-rounded people, but we cannot foolproof this work against people who are criminal, insane, or simply desire to end their life.

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I want to make it clear that I take this issue seriously and I am not just here to issue some blanket, self-serving defense. I want to make my teachings safe for all reasonable people, and I want to make clear to people the inherent risks of spiritual work. I have done that in the past in my videos, but I am also interested in being even more clear and explicit about it in the future precisely because the relative social consequences have always mattered to me, and my teachings are meant to reduce suffering and selfishness in the world. It disappoints and frustrates me when spiritual teachings are corrupted or misused, and when spirituality or psychedelics are given a bad name by irresponsible people. But the fact is that corruption and misuse of spiritual teachings is not anything new or unique to Actualized.org. Mankind has been corrupting and abusing spiritual teachings for 2000 year. And that is not going to stop in our lifetimes. But that is not a reason to stop teaching. But I will definitely teach with greater care to preempt misinterpretation as much as possible. It's just not easy to anticipate every possible misinterpretation. It never even crossed my mind that someone would decide to "consciously jump off a bridge". It's hard to even take such an action seriously unless after it occurs.

I have said in the past that my teachings will be corrupted. Because that's what the mind does. And this will not be the last time my teachings are corrupted. The reason I record long videos is to provide sufficient depth and detail to avoid future corruption. But the nature of the beast is such that people will still find ways to corrupt my teachings and the longer the videos, the more excuse they will have to say, "But your videos are too long, so I didn't watch them." I have never been under any illusions that my teachers will be corrupted by some minds. That is how this works. I have videos explaining why this corruption is inevitable.

But again, this is not an excuse. I will adjust my teachings to make them clearer and more foolproof in the future.

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A final important point:

Let us not overlook that there is the possibility that SoonHei made a sober, conscious, sovereign choice to end his dream. In which case, as much as we might disagree or not like that, that is really not our call. And it is not correct to automatically assume that what he did was wrong or delusional. It could have been delusional, but it also could have been a conscious choice he made which was right for him. There is no way for us to know.

This is not an excuse or a justification for anything. Rather, given his own words, if we are to take his own words seriously and give him the benefit of the doubt, then there is the possibility he made a conscious, sovereign choice to move on into the next dream, or into Infinity, or whatever he imagined. Personally I think it was not a good choice and if he asked me about it I would have told him to not do something so stupid. But who am I to know what is right for him?

So the point is, this situation is more complex than it seems.


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One of the first things I read as a kid, that resonated with me then and still does:

Believe me, every man has his secret sorrows, which the world knows not; and oftimes we call a man cold when he is only sad.

- Longfellow

I don't know what drove @SoonHei's decision, but will miss his insights, and am sorry for his wife, his children, and his other loved ones.

On this forum, sometimes we get so caught up in philosophy and spirituality, and forget to honor the reason we are here in the first place. It is a soul journey, and ultimately it is nothing about concepts, and all about Love.

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@SoonHei

5 hours ago, SoonHei said:

His ideas of "there are no others," and life being a dream that one shouldn't get attached to made sense for the most part. But I must say this whole incident has reiterated to me why one should stick with long-established religions such as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, whatever.... and listen to well-known "Prophets" and their teachings. There is a reason why they have had billions of followers over thousands of years, without needing the internet to spread their message. And their message still gives people the tools they need to lead a good, moral life.

I have personally come to the conclusion that this whole new age spirituality especially on forums and youtube is extremely dangerous.

I understand your grief and emotional turmoil, and you just wish things had unfolded differently so SoonHei would still be alive. I totally get that.

However, it is important to be factually and historically accurate about "long-established religions". The amount of death, torture, hatred, pedophilia, suicide, etc caused by classical religions is orders of magnitude beyond any new age spirituality. Classical religion is not "safe" in that way, it only seems safe because it is so baked into the social fabric of society. Many people kill themselves every year from holding Christian and Islamic beliefs about homosexuality being a sin. Or from other kinds of guilt. Or they kill others out of religious hatred. Again, this is because any large scale spiritual teaching will be corrupted and misused by self-deceived ego-minds.

The things I teach are tools for leading a good, moral life -- without dogmatic moralization. But a good moral life cannot be guaranteed by following any set of mechanical rules. Genuine goodness and morality requires consciousness, wisdom, intelligence, responsibility, and balance. I teach all of these things more than any religion. Classical religion teaches mechanical rules, which is not sufficient to eliminate suffering, evil, corruption, misunderstanding, or suicide. Misunderstanding within classical religion is very high. All classical religions also have esoteric and mystical cores which teach radical truths about God, Love, Heaven, Death, and Awakening. Because Truth is radical by its nature.

So my point is this: be careful not to conclude that new age spirituality is the root issue here. The root issue is the tricky nature of how the mind works. The mind is extremely self-deceptive by its nature, and then it will use whatever system of ideas/beliefs to behave however it wants. Those ideas/beliefs can be atheist, theist, Christian, Islamic, New Age, Buddhist, nondual, rationalist, nihilist, capitalist, socialist, nationalist, liberal, conservative, or whatever.

I know this logic doesn't take your pain away. But thinking that "the grass is greener on the other side" can add to your pain.


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So sorry for your loss, there should be a pinned post in the spirituality part of this forum that describes the dangers of this work and moderators should never play word games when someone seems confident in ending their life, no matter if its a philosophical discussion it should be treated as a mental illness and they should dig deeper to find the emotional cause or recommend them to a help line.

I know this is a rare case but its not like guy was a loser, he had a wife and two kids with a loving family for christ sake they fact they going to have to continue their life knowing their friend/husband/brother killed themselves for "consciousness" fucking sucks. 

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Shocked to hear this happened. Utterly shocked.

 

Wherever his light is going, has gone, and is,

May SoonHei be free from suffering.

May SoonHei be free from ill will.

May SoonHei be filled with loving kindness.

May SoonHei be truly happy.

And to his family and those who loved him,

May SoonHei's loved ones be free from suffering.

May SoonHei's loved ones be free from ill will.

May SoonHei's loved ones be filled with loving kindness.

May SoonHei's loved ones be trully happy.

 

All we can do as a community is embody these teachings in our actions, in the ways we show up for ourselves, for our loved ones, for each other, and for the world. All we can do is hold space for this tragedy and understand that it is exactly as it is and could only be exactly as it is. SoonHei's decision was his own. And as fucked up as it was from one point of view, there is still the possibility for light from those who have been hurt most deeply. 

May that light shine. 

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@SoonHei

I’m very sorry this happened. Is there a way to donate or contribute to help you, the widow, and the children in moving forward?

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7 hours ago, Nahm said:

I messaged Leo asking if it is possible to see the editing history

Just to clarify, this forum does not track editing history of posts or PMs. So whatever edits happened are lost.

This is one of the reasons why editing of posts is only allowed for the first 48 hours. No edits after that. In the past some members have abused editing to change the substance of their posts, which is why editing is automatically locked after 48 hours.

I am actually not sure if PM editing is locked at all. I assume it's a 48 hour lock, but maybe even not. Mods and Admins don't have locks like normal accounts.


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@Leo Gura Has something like this happened before in the forum?


"Wanting keeps me from the awareness I already have it. I already am it.” — Byron Katie

 

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38 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

@Leo Gura Has something like this happened before in the forum?

If it had you would have heard about it.

We do have suicidal people on these forums pretty regularly though. Which is why I added the following warning to the Forum Guidelines some time ago:

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NOTE: This forum is NOT designed to deal with serious psychiatric issues such as mental disorders, suicidal depression, schizophrenia, psychosis, bipolar disorder, ADHD, drug addiction, and other medical or psychiatric conditions. Leo's videos are not cures for such issues. Leo's videos assume you are psychologically stable and can live a functional life. If you struggle with these basics, if you are suicidal, if you are on serious medications, if you are an addict, you should seek professional help with such issues. Self-help and spirituality are not substitutes for professional treatment for such conditions. No one on this forum is a qualified suicide-prevention expert. If you are seriously suicidal please stop spiritual work and seek professional help.

I added this warning precisely because I expected someone at some point to do something suicidal and then blame this community for it. This was not unexpected given the thousands of weird people we get coming through here.

It is important for people here to understand that dealing with suicide prevention requires a certain trained skill set and that neither I nor our Mods are trained to talk people down from suicide. That is beyond the scope of our jobs here. If we see someone who is suicidal, we generally try to talk them down from it, but we may not be skillful at it nor do we have the time and energy to catch every case of it. This forum is not a professional clinic or the like. This is a community of people casually discussing spiritual stuff. So it's important to set the right expectations. The Mods are not here to save every lost soul. They are mostly here to police against spammers and trolls. Generally we are too busy here combating trolls and spammers to offer serious one-on-one counseling or therapeutic help. Any such help is given pro-bono, without warranty, as our time and energy allows. But even so, from what I have seen, any time our Mods or even regular members hear of someone considering suicide, they do not hesitate to talk them down with compassion. Our members are actually great at that. Had Soonhei made a public post where he said he was considering jumping off a cliff, I have no doubt whatsoever that our members would have stepped in and talked him down -- assuming he was willing to listen. And I would certainly have reprimanded him for even considering such a thing seriously if my eyes caught glance of such a thread. But you also have to understand, I cannot personally see or supervise every thread on this forum. There's just too much volume of stuff here. And if you say, "Well, then shut the forum down!" Oh yeah? But then how many people will lose their lives by not having any spiritual community to talk to at all? So you see, it's not so simple. There are inherent pros and cons to running an online spiritual community. There will be good times and bad. There will be wonderful people and crazy people. There will many lives saved and a few lives lost.

The nature of spiritual and personal development work is that is tends to attract some people who are struggling to get their minds straight. And sometimes you get people with really crooked minds -- where you don't even know how to begin straightening them out.

It is also important to keep in mind how many lonely and lost people there on in the world who find this community and use it to improve themselves and actually save themselves from suicide. I have had plenty of people message me and tell me that if not for this community or finding my videos, they would have committed suicide or been stuck in some horrible depression or psychosis or some cult. But of course, not everyone's story will end so positively. Some people may find this forum and use it to spiral completely out of control. And you also don't know what other forums and videos and sources they are consuming besides Actualized.org. Spiritual knowledge is a very powerful tool. It can be used for the highest good, the greatest of evils, and everything in between.


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Posted (edited)

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Had Soonhei made a public post where he said he was considering jumping off a cliff, I have no doubt whatsoever that our members would have stepped in and talked him down -- assuming he was willing to listen. And I would certainly have reprimanded him for even considering such a thing seriously if my eyes caught glance of such a thread. But you also have to understand, I cannot personally see or supervise every thread on this forum. There's just too much volume of stuff here.

He actually did. Nobody caught it until it was too late. 

The issue is that a suicidal message isn't always clear.

A post written by someone who's going through a derealization phase might come off as just strange and difficult to interpret.

 

 

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Association with the wise is the root cause for obliterating all misery. -  Tripura Rahasya

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@Leo Gura I think it would helpful to post a PSA video on the blog to talk to forum members about this. It would be unfortunate to see this community break apart due to the confusion that these kinds of events lead to. At the core, it is a mis interpretation of your teachings in which some of us take the concept of God realization and use it to justify selfishness. Yes, ones actions don't impact the imaginary human - but it does impact the consciousness that is having the human experience. The shit that all of us do on this Earth matters...God realized or not. Solipsism and nihilism is not Truth...but I believe your last video set a lot of viewers down this path.

I would agree that some spiritual teachers have a softer approach than you. There are benefits to this, but this is not to say you should change your style. It may just need to be re-iterated that we as viewers and followers of Actualized.org are responsible for our interpretations.

 

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19 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

He actually did. Nobody caught it until it was too late.

That post only looks like a suicide post in retrospect. If he hadn't jumped you would never know he was seriously considering it.

10 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

@Leo Gura I think it would helpful to post a PSA video on the blog to talk to forum members about this. It would be unfortunate to see this community break apart due to the confusion that these kinds of events lead to. At the core, it is a mis interpretation of your teachings in which some of us take the concept of God realization and use it to justify selfishness. Yes, ones actions don't impact the imaginary human - but it does impact the consciousness that is having the human experience. ...Solipsism and nihilism is not Truth...but I believe your last video set a lot of viewers down this path.

I will definitely make a video.

I actually already recorded a video last week about nihilism which will be released some time in the next few weeks. That video clears up common misconceptions and mistakes of nihilism.

But I will make a video specifically about misinterpretation of the teachings and the dangers of deconstructing one's mind. I am happy to make such a video because it is core to what I teach.

10 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

The shit that all of us do on this Earth matters...God realized or not.

Actually it doesn't matter. But that is not a truth most people are willing to understand or accept.

The thing is, Truth is a very radical and dangerous thing. Which is why Truth has been suppressed from mankind for thousands of years. The thing is, when the rubber meets the road, you will not care about Truth, you will care about survival and your feelings. This is how life works. It is a game, but its a very brutal game, and when you get brutalized you will not care that it is a game because you are too hurt to care.


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@Leo Gura I have a question. Will you use Soonhei as an example in the video?


" You will face many defeats in life, but never let yourself be defeated." Maya Angelou

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I am a suicidal person on this forum. 

And Leo is very right about whatever he said above 

I have been battling suicidal thoughts since my teenage.

However this forum has helped me stay afloat.

Whenever I had those thoughts I wrote them in my journal or tried seeking help in the emotional support section.

Yea 3 years being on this forum I reduced my suicidal tendency down by 60%. Not enough but significant progress.

I cannot vouch that I won't commit suicide in the future as that is not a guarantee. Being suicidal is like living with diabetes. There are highs and lows. Some periods are suicide-thought free and some are very intense. It's an episodic problem but with constant care it can be managed.

Without this forum, it would have been much harder for me to control my suicidal ideation, I could have resorted to self harm.

In past 3 years my self harm incidents have been limited to 2. Which is great,given I have a long history of self harm.

Just being on the forum has helped to keep suicide thoughts away a great deal even without asking members.

Even if I did bad things, I will never blame the forum for it, because the forum actually helped me stay away from bad things.

 


    God is not a belief.  محبت     الحب   प्यार  love  ॐ Om  मोहब्बत God الله   اللہ   خدا My blood is Hindu, my soul is Christian and my heart is Islamic. But right now my head is in the clouds with an Aries male  currently ruling my heart. The Snake seduces the peacock, embodies Shiva and the Gods bow to it. ... ll ॐ ll.. INTP loner... और तुम नाचते गाते हुए मेरे कदमों में आ गिरेगी... Live a Roman.Die a Roman...Nothing else but to enjoy  the rest of my dream 

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12 minutes ago, sda said:

@Leo Gura I have a question. Will you use Soonhei as an example in the video?

Maybe. Still contemplating how to speak about this.

The issue here is that people love to use such cases as an excuse to demonize the work. So I'm in a position where on the one hand I have to speak about the dangers of spiritual work, but on the other hand I have to do it in a way where devils don't weaponize my words against me. It's a challenging position to be in because there is PR aspect to all this and I'm not here with a PR team. People are itching to demonize Actualized.org in any way they can and so I have to be mindful of that while also being sensitive Soonhei's family and so forth.

This issue is serious but it also needs to be framed correctly because I already see people using this as an excuse to let their projections and criticisms of my teachings run wild.

I have a lot of nuanced things to say on the matter but the nature of this beast is that people don't like to hear nuanced things, they like to demonize and smear reputations.


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@Leo Gura You displaying empathy is all that's needed to battle the trolls of Actualized.org. Much respect to the enormous tasks you are taking on with bringing this to the masses. There are a lot of us here who support you and believe in your vision. Godspeed and thank you.

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6 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

You displaying empathy is all that's needed to battle the trolls of Actualized.org

Unfortunately that does not stop the trolls and cynics.

But we shall see. I expect backlash over all this regardless. We will try to make the best of it. The problem with running any kind of spiritual community is that scandals like this will happen because humans are humans and collective ego dynamics are at play.

I notice plenty of you have grievances with me and we will probably need separate thread to let you air them out.


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Posted (edited)

I would actually expect Leo to appear a little more often in the emotional section of the forum 

It gives a bad feeling when he is rarely there as though he is looking down on people with emotional issues.

I understand that he is not a professional expert in such matters but even saying to someone that they should not commit suicide or self harm. If it helps it helps.

I wish he did that.

Im not saying regularly. 

But at least once a week in that section would look like he cares and doesn't look away from people who got emotional issues 

I mean this is a self development forum. It can look pretty demonizing to ignore emotional issues. It is a part of self development after all.

 

Once a week appearance is not asking for too much.

 

Edited by Preety_India

    God is not a belief.  محبت     الحب   प्यार  love  ॐ Om  मोहब्बत God الله   اللہ   خدا My blood is Hindu, my soul is Christian and my heart is Islamic. But right now my head is in the clouds with an Aries male  currently ruling my heart. The Snake seduces the peacock, embodies Shiva and the Gods bow to it. ... ll ॐ ll.. INTP loner... और तुम नाचते गाते हुए मेरे कदमों में आ गिरेगी... Live a Roman.Die a Roman...Nothing else but to enjoy  the rest of my dream 

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@Muhammad Jawad @SoonHei I am so sorry for your loss.  That must be very tough and painful.  Take the time you need to mourn.  I hope you can find some new friends @Muhammad Jawad but knowing that the new ones won't be the same.  I hope your family, the wife, and the children will be okay @SoonHei.

 

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