Soonhei (Member of this community) killed himself to experience Conscious Death. :-(

[BipolarGrowth]

1 hour ago, Dodo said:

I believe it is possible that he is still alive in another dimension from what I've seen how reality works in some experiences... Perhaps he is still alive from his POV, on another dimensional Earth (for him would be the same Earth) and he has changed his timeline completely through that act and is out of this particular one... I am not certain of this, but I believe its possible.. I actually believe it has happened to me before, but I am only speculating, no proof of this.  

I’ve had experiences which made me seriously consider if this had happened to me. It’s like I’ve shifted into a parallel reality (which is probably a better way of saying another dimensional earth btw). 
 

Aaron Doughty, the popular new-age Youtuber, describes a time when he was supposedly about to crash into a large semi or similar type vehicle on the highway before he was basically teleported back like 15 ft where he was completely safe. He describes it as a parallel reality shift. 
 

My most radical one happened when I drove east for three hours while my GPS was completely glitching out. When I turned the GPS back on, I was in what appeared to be the exact same place as I was three hours before when the GPS stopped working. 

[kai0]

That was tough to read. This person was an adult and he did this because he was brainwashed and dissociative now imagine 12 year-olds listening to these ideas and taking them seriously. Who will be responsible for their deaths?

[charlie cho]

@kai0 in case of the 12 year old child, still, the child is responsible, but the parents have a huge responsibility too. 

[Godhead]

@kai0 Imagine a 12-year-old reading about Hindu/Buddhist philosophy and he kills himself to get reincarnated because he wants to enter the next life.

Imagine a 12-year-old watching a violent TV show and now decides to kill people.

 

Do you really want a world that is made for 12-year-olds? 

Would you suggest that we forbid all content that could be misinterpreted (assuming that would even be possible)? 

[Salvijus]

@BipolarGrowth ?

[Leo Gura]

32 minutes ago, Godhead said:

Imagine a 12-year-old reading about Hindu/Buddhist philosophy and he kills himself to get reincarnated because he wants to enter the next life.

Imagine a 6 year old being told that he will go to heaven when he dies, and how good heaven. So he jumps off a bridge.

Imagine a 6 year old being told that there is no God and no meaning to life and everyone he loves will one day die. So he jumps off a bridge.

We can keep going with the examples. Feel free to invent your own.

[Preety_India]

One should not expect to remove all the content out there because someone took their own life. Your life is precious and what you do with it is up to you. 

Your life is worth more than any spiritual truth in the world. The truth is for us, we aren't for the truth.

[roopepa]

I'm very sad and shocked to hear this happened.

I have somewhat similiar experience with the mind getting tangled up with spirituality, death and suicide. I can see how the mind gets caught up with such stories. Nasty stuff.

It seems that this is not that rare for some reason. This needs to be addressed more. If anyone wishes to gain insight in how these thought-stories are formed, I'm happy to share my story and experiences.

[StarStruck]

39 minutes ago, Godhead said:

@kai0 Imagine a 12-year-old reading about Hindu/Buddhist philosophy and he kills himself to get reincarnated because he wants to enter the next life.

Imagine a 12-year-old watching a violent TV show and now decides to kill people

Do you really want a world that is made for 12-year-olds? 

Would you suggest that we forbid all content that could be misinterpreted (assuming that would even be possible)? 

A 12 year old will have a parent to check in on him/her. That is why we don't need to build a world that is made for 12 year olds; they have their parents who will keep a short leash on the kid if he is being dangerous.

Edited May 20, 2021 by StarStruck

[tuckerwphotography]

I have had the thought run through my mind in the past that goes something like this: "This is all a Dream, and all that exist is in my direct experience right here right now (as per Leo's Guided Exercise for Realizing You Are God video). Therefore if I kill myself there will be no family and friends that I leave behind who will grieve me because they are just an illusion, and they will cease to exist once the dream of Tucker dies. Therefore, my suicide will not cause any pain or suffering because there is literally no one else to experience this pain and suffering." 

A part of me still wonders if this line of thinking has aspects of truth or not. I'm sharing this so that it can be discussed and hopefully clarified rather than me just repressing these half-baked ideas into my shadow. Thank you.

[kai0]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Imagine a 6 year old being told that he will go to heaven when he dies, and how good heaven.

No need for imagination we have taliban and isis.

The message here is simple just try to be more careful with your communication.

[RMQualtrough]

1 minute ago, tuckerwphotography said:

I have had the thought run through my mind in the past that goes something like this: "This is all a Dream, and all that exist is in my direct experience right here right now (as per Leo's Guided Exercise for Realizing You Are God video). Therefore if I kill myself there will be no family and friends that I leave behind who will grieve me because they are just an illusion, and they will cease to exist once the dream of Tucker dies. Therefore, my suicide will not cause any pain or suffering because there is literally no one else to experience this pain and suffering." 

A part of me still wonders if this line of thinking has aspects of truth or not. I'm sharing this so that it can be discussed and hopefully clarified rather than me just repressing these half-baked ideas into my shadow. Thank you.

I feel quite certain this is wrong and due to obsession with objectivity over subjectivity.

The only thing about you that is identical to others is the observer. Absolutist truths do not matter. Awareness itself does not feel pain or ANYTHING it only OBSERVES it. This is one of very few things a person can, I think, outright prove.

But will the cessation of Tucker cause sensations of pain to arise which subjective selves will perceive and be hurt by? Absolutely. You would not think that sawing off your leg won't hurt, you wouldn't do it regardless of any objective/absolutist belief. Because once you start cutting there is no denying that there is an unpleasant experience.

The subjective truth is that we are selves. If that were not subjectively true there would be no conversation between us right now. The objevtive truth is that the experience of pain can exist. The subjective truth is that your end will cause "selves" to experience pain.

[Proserpina]

Rest in peace dearest Soonhei. You had a gentle, otherworldly soul that I'll always remember. 

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, tuckerwphotography said:

I have had the thought run through my mind in the past that goes something like this: "This is all a Dream, and all that exist is in my direct experience right here right now (as per Leo's Guided Exercise for Realizing You Are God video). Therefore if I kill myself there will be no family and friends that I leave behind who will grieve me because they are just an illusion, and they will cease to exist once the dream of Tucker dies. Therefore, my suicide will not cause any pain or suffering because there is literally no one else to experience this pain and suffering." 

A part of me still wonders if this line of thinking has aspects of truth or not. I'm sharing this so that it can be discussed and hopefully clarified rather than me just repressing these half-baked ideas into my shadow. Thank you.

Well, to understand this you would have to become conscious of what "other" is.

You might be shocked to discover that "other" is your own imagination.

The problem here is that the truth may not be comfortable or useful to your survival, especially if the only thing keeping you alive is your belief in others.

You have to be careful with your illusions. If you believe that Christ is the most real thing, and then you discover that Christ is just a fiction of your mind, and all you want to live for is Christ, then you very well might get the idea to kill yourself. This would be silly, but people do silly things all the time.

If you want to be safe, just commit to not harming your body. Don't take anything as a prescription for bodily harm. It's really not so complicated. I have stated this rule before: don't harm the body.

[Dazgwny]

First off sorry to hear of the loss. I don’t know enough about the guy to make any comments on his state of mind or his reasons. Only what I’ve read. The blame game doesn’t work for me though. There’s such a variety of states of mind following actualized that it’s impossible to cater for all. I’ve seen a fair bit aimed towards the latest video, but let’s not forget the guy never watched that video he took his life before its release. Everybody here has their own agenda of what they want out of spirituality. For me personally it’s pure understanding of reality, what I am and what the hell im upto. And then to live in physical reality with the deepest understanding I can of what it is, how it’s working etc. To enjoy the creation. Whilst understanding it. Understanding myself. To it’s bitter end, it’s natural end. It’s obviously tricky to teach at such a scale, again because of the wide variety of individuals, everyone unique in their own way. It is down to the individual to try to gauge where they are at, to be wise and use common sense. Maybe if a video says ‘advanced’ in the title, then think maybe this isn’t quite for me yet, I’ll put viewing that aside for the time being an study other areas. The thing with it is, Leo is going to teach from where he’s at. New releases are not going to backtrack, dumb down or be watered down. Because those videos are already there. So from his perspective it makes no sense it’s pointless and a waste of time. It’s down to an individual to backtrack themselves through the catalogue of work and take up the teachings from where they honestly feel they’re at. If that’s his early self development videos then that’s where ya at. No point taking in his latest video if your in a position of just working out physical reality through quantum mechanics or something. For me personally I got a lot out of the latest video, and the long deep videos are right up my street. But the same applies where as he isn’t just teaching to suit my wants and needs. It’s on a grand scale and if things need altering in some form I’m sure he will. Let’s also not forget Soonhei will no doubt have taken in other teachings, the likes of tolle, spira, sadguru, yang, loads of the spiritual practices out there, to culminate in that final choice of suicide. 
Ya know people have hung themselves and committed suicide because their sports team have lost, this is true there’s many cases that can be searched up. But ya don’t blame the team for losing, or a couple of the individual players because maybe ya think they could have put in a little more effort that game. Or ya don’t stop going to watch your team if one of the fans has hung himself because the team got beat. These oddities do happen in all walks of life. It’s tragic and sad. And my heart goes out to those affected. Truth is truth in the end though. And if truth is to be taught, it’s needs to be taught as close to the truth as is possible. Or there’s no point in teaching it. You may as well say your teaching lies ??‍♂️

[UDT]

Welcome to life where anyone is responsible for his/her own decisions - you judge death as something horrible, which is your self bias. Right this second a random stranger has died, you don´t even notice. If your mom died you´d cry for days. Exactly this is self bias. 

[charlie cho]

@Spiritzz Hi spiritzz. Please formulate a better logical argument, if you are to criticize someone. 

Edited May 20, 2021 by charlie cho

[Preety_India]

@Spiritzz I think where he exactly went wrong was his personal communication he had on May 2, one day before jumping off 

 

[charlie cho]

@Spiritzz pretty good point

[Zeroguy]

59 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, to understand this you would have to become conscious of what "other" is.

You might be shocked to discover that "other" is your own imagination.

The problem here is that the truth may not be comfortable or useful to your survival, especially if the only thing keeping you alive is your belief in others.

You have to be careful with your illusions. If you believe that Christ is the most real thing, and then you discover that Christ is just a fiction of your mind, and all you want to live for is Christ, then you very well might get the idea to kill yourself. This would be silly, but people do silly things all the time.

If you want to be safe, just commit to not harming your body. Don't take anything as a prescription for bodily harm. It's really not so complicated. I have stated this rule before: don't harm the body.

100% damn right .

But you know guys find something to dream about because in fundamental sense you really got no any other option. 

Be well and create your life.