Soonhei (Member of this community) killed himself to experience Conscious Death. :-(

[kinesin]

Perhaps the most appropriate thing would be for Leo to put out a video acknowledging the situation and addressing the important overlap between 'everything is illusion/dream' and a healthy acknowledgment that things are simultaneously real and actual.

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, kinesin said:

Perhaps the most appropriate thing would be for Leo to put out a video acknowledging the situation and addressing the important overlap between 'everything is illusion/dream' and a healthy acknowledgment that things are simultaneously real and actual.

Things like this shows how important the relative/absolute distinction is.

[SpiritualAwakening]

Just now, kinesin said:

Perhaps the most appropriate thing would be for Leo to put out a video acknowledging the situation and addressing the important overlap between 'everything is illusion/dream' and a healthy acknowledgment that things are simultaneously real and actual.

Don't help him, I wanted to see if he would come up with this for himself to see how compassionate, humble he is and how deep his heart lies with his community.

[Moksha]

7 minutes ago, dflores321 said:

Theres a belief floating around here that everything is petty and stupid if it isnt infinite love. 

Everything is infinite love, whether it is manifested or unmanifested. Just because the wave of an ocean is born and dies doesn't mean the wave never existed, or is meaningless. The wave is also infinite love. It is an entirely unique creation of the ocean, and is still the ocean.

There will never be another @SoonHei. ? ?

[soos_mite_ah]

34 minutes ago, Bojan V said:

@soos_mite_ah The advanced spiritual teachings are out there if we want it or not. I've read Sri Aurobindo's teachings and also A Course in Miracles, which are really "advanced" imo. So what should we do? Ban the books and YouTube channels about advanced teachings? Certainly not. I don't see any solution to that other then to say to people they shouldn't believe any of it blindly,but to experience this by themselves.

No these things shouldn't be banned but having some more disclaimers and clarifications regarding how teachings can be misconstrued is very important. It's especially important in this circumstance because of how open/accessible YouTube and this forum is. 

33 minutes ago, Tim R said:

Leo can only be held responsible for what he says, not for what his followers do.

He is not an authority. He is just some random dude, who, for all you know, could be utterly deluded and insane. It's always oneself who declares someone else to be an authority. 

There is no one to blame here. 

While I do agree that no one is to blame here, you can't just excuse everyone from responsibility. Not analyzing teachings and the way they are presented as an important factor to consider causes people to take a hyper individualistic route that can easily cause things like this to repeat. Hyper individualism doesn't work to deal with problems like this. 

I can't say that I know much about what happened or what other factors were at play but I do know from my direct experience that you need to be very careful with what you say and how you say it so it doesn't harm others unintentionally when it comes to higher teachings. Sure Leo isn't to blame and shouldn't be shamed but saying he doesn't have some part of responsibility of how his words can impact the actions of others is incorrect. 

28 minutes ago, kinesin said:

To be quite honest, when people suggest that there aren't people in this community who hang on Leo's every word, I feel that I'm being gaslit.  I see it so often, it's plain as day.

I agree, there are a lot of fanboys and people who are lost and looking for answers because they are in a painful place in their lives on here. Things like self development and spirituality can attract a lot of people like that and it's important to be mindful of that fact and act accordingly. 

15 minutes ago, SpiritualAwakening said:

I think @Leo Gura's teachings should be focused more on integration/embodiment these times and less focused on the mind-side of this work. After all the mind is the whole reason one got caught up in the first place

I second this. Most people need integration rather than transcendence. Transcendence maybe the goal for some but the process of integration is vital so that we can sustain ourselves and turn our needs into shadows and have that blow up in our face in nasty ways. 

Edited May 19, 2021 by soos_mite_ah

[mandyjw]

9 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

 You can't teach Love by taking about it, you have radiate it.

Godbless everyone ? Godbless @SoonHei?

Yes. "Words dont teach." Do we fault Jesus for all of Christianity? ?

[Bojan V]

@mandyjw

1 minute ago, mandyjw said:

 "Words dont teach." Do we fault Jesus for all of Christianity? ?

Well said!

[Megan Alecia]

Hopefully this puts an end to the delusional consciousness platitudes peddled here.

Edited May 19, 2021 by Megan Alecia
Rest in Peace

[Moksha]

2 minutes ago, Megan Alecia said:

Hopefully this puts an end to the delusional consciousness platitudes peddled here.

I wish, but you can't force people to see what they aren't yet ready to see.

[Salvijus]

4 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

Yes. "Words dont teach." Do we fault Jesus for all of Christianity? ?

Haha  made me think actually, idk. All I know is that if you perform action from Love, it will have good consiquences. And if you perform action from ego it will bear bad consiquences. Actualized.org is unfortunately an expression of ego... sorry, that's just how it is.

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[Megan Alecia]

18 minutes ago, Moksha said:

I wish, but you can't force people to see what they aren't yet ready to see.

No one's forcing anything. Though, may this situation stir something in those that create these "conscious love" nonsense, given that these kind of ideas have just claimed a life.

When someone replaces critical thinking with a kind of bubble, in this case the bubble of consciousness and love, people are gonna get easily brainwashed by that. At this point they're (the originators of so-called consciousness) free to say pretty much anything, even things that are obviously... I guess out of this world.

Edited May 19, 2021 by Megan Alecia
This isn't directed to SoonHei, but rather the peddlers of consciousness in this place.

[kinesin]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

All I know is that if you perform action from Love, it will have good consiquences. And if you perform action from ego it will bear bad consiquences. Actualized.org is unfortunately an expression of ego... sorry, that's just how it is.

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This is very wise indeed.

[Moksha]

@Megan Alecia To be fair, nothing I saw from @SoonHei suggests he was a solipsist or a nihilist. I believe his spirituality was deeper than that.

But yes, people need to keep it real. Relative reality is still reality. Don't get lost in the mouse maze of the mind. Celebrate the beauty of this one life that you have. It will never be repeated. If ultimate reality is all that, we never would have created relative reality in the "first" place.

[Zeroguy]

8 minutes ago, Moksha said:

I wish, but you can't force people to see what they aren't yet ready to see.

12 minutes ago, Megan Alecia said:

 

Actual enlightenment can cause real psychotic breakdowns and so many other "great stuff". 

Not all sunshine and rainbows with this. 

Serious questions etc. 

[Dryas]

Leo has warned the dangers of spiritual work a couple of times. Talking about the danger of belief, self deception, psychedelics, meditation etc. 

Maybe it is still not nearly as enough as it should be and maybe spiritual teachings shouldn’t be even discussed through videos. I don’t know. 
 

Rest In Peace. 

[Zeroguy]

Also whoever wants serious and actual spiritual work. Develop yourself fully and develop your wisdom. Don't go into this stuff without it. 

Also requires real psychological strenght. 

Keep that in mind if you really want to be "sage" or someone like Leo. 

If you want it then actually be like Leo that requires your own responsability. 

[Danioover9000]

   Sorry to hear about the loss. He always had some good posts here about spirituality. I've suffered a similar situation in the past when a family member died, so I hope you guys go through your grief cycle without too much turmoil, because it can sometimes be chaotic. 

   Hopefully, may this be a lesson to screen earlier for any indications for serious mental health, and more disclaimers and warnings about following the teachings here. Also to solipsists and nihilists here, there's more to life than it being meaningless or pure imagination. There's still the relative world of the living and physical, where people still have to deal with loss, 

   I noticed I'm very tempted to also put blame on Leo or mods for not doing enough to prevent this from happening, and for sharing very advanced spiritual teachings about death, life, infinity and god straight forwardly and bluntly without enough warnings. However, Who am I to put blame on people that I know too little about, and take this opening to attack some users like Leo or mods that I had some past grudges against? As soon as I was aware of this, I felt shame for being tempted. I hope those users still blaming, that they have some awareness knowing that whatever blame is coming from, to be aware that the blame should come from only the current situation, and not from some past grudge attempting to highjack this situation to attack Leo or mods. Please be respectful to those that lost Soonhei, to not use this as a way to get even against Leo or mods.

[Etherial Cat]

2 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

I noticed I'm very tempted to also put blame on Leo or mods for not doing enough to prevent this from happening, and for sharing very advanced spiritual teachings about death, life, infinity and god straight forwardly and bluntly without enough warnings. However, Who am I to put blame on people that I know too little about, and take this opening to attack some users like Leo or mods that I had some past grudges against? As soon as I was aware of this, I felt shame for being tempted. I hope those users still blaming, that they have some awareness knowing that whatever blame is coming from, to be aware that the blame should come from only the current situation, and not from some past grudge attempting to highjack this situation to attack Leo or mods. Please be respectful to those that lost Soonhei, to not use this as a way to get even against Leo or mods.

1 minute ago, sda said:

@Leo Gura has been telling us from the very beginning to verify thing for yourself and to not just blindly believe him. Soonhei should have think logically through this stuff and think whether things makes sense or not. He should have followed Leo warning which is to not harm the body which he said several times.

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[Zeroguy]

@sda Are Leo telling you the Truth?

Yes.

You can verify this stuff for yourself. 

Taking this as beleifs is not good. 

My take is not everyone will awaken and if I want I can use my knowledge to make their life better. But I also question that. That's why enlightenment is difficult not so easy at all. 

When you actually awaken you will know why I said it. 

Edited May 19, 2021 by Zeroguy

[Moksha]

34 minutes ago, Zeroguy said:

Actual enlightenment can cause real psychotic breakdowns and so many other "great stuff". 

People can have multiple awakenings before enlightenment. Very few are fully enlightened, which is beyond Self-realization, and is the dissolving of all attachments.

If someone tells you they are enlightened, they probably also have a bridge to sell.