Muhammad Jawad

Soonhei (Member of this community) killed himself to experience Conscious Death. :-(

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3 minutes ago, 4201 said:

So Leo's edginess is the big evil here? Talk about projection

Even if Leo stopped teaching spirituality under your suggestion, someone else would. In a system composed of 7 biliion humans some will organically become spiritual teachers and some will unfortunately get it wrong.

It's Leo's lack of wisdom and social isolation. If he wants to teach he should get in person experience and get the feedback he clearly needs to see.

Leo has been completely dogmatic about the way he teaches since years now, all under the umbrella of it being his style and him wanting to not compromise the "Truth".

 

I never said Leo should stop teaching spirituality, your response here is childlike. I am saying he should adjust his teachings and be a responsible human being.

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1 minute ago, Scholar said:

This is unbelievably irresponsible and gaslighting. You guys should have compassions for your brothers and sisters, not blame them because they lost their plot. But of course you don't believe in morality, so who cares if you are being considerate to others.

 

Oh yes, the backtracking. One day you say this is the Absolute Truth, and then when someone discovers the Absolute Truth for themself and kills themselves, it's all just a theory and you should have never been certain.

How can people who claim to do consciousness work be so clueless to what they are doing? You are showing zero compassion, zero responsiblity.

You will find I personally backtrack nowhere. I think Idealism is the most logical guess. I would never say it is proven, it is really crazy to take a theory as absolute fact.

It is impossible to prove Idealism for the same reason Materialism is unproveable.

If it was proveable that the idea was right, there would be no debates at all. All scientists would agree with it and it would just be accepted by everyone.

In either case I also do not think objective truth matters much... Just ask someone who hammers that subjective experience is irrelevant to go stick their hand in a hornet's nest. After all pain isn't real right?! They won't. Why? Because it fkn hurts! But then for some reason, when it comes to things other than physical pain, everyone suddenly dismisses subjective experience.

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I'm so sorry to hear this. RIP <3 

 


'One is always in the absolute state, knowingly or unknowingly for that is all there is.' Francis Lucille. 

'Peace and Happiness are inherent in Consciousness.' Rupert Spira 

“Your own Self-Realization is the greatest service you can render the world.” Ramana Maharshi

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1 hour ago, SoonHei said:

@Leo Gura Hi Leo! This is SoonHei's sister using his account trying to find out why he took the step that he did. I can confirm that he did in fact die on May 3rd by jumping off of a bridge.

His message to his wife was: "Oh I was never ending it. I was just continuing it. I just wanted to jump. Love you all. See you soon."

Similar message to what he sent to the person who started this thread (first post).

Now most important, Sunny asked NAHM very directly before committing this act. I really wish NAHM had guided him better. Sunny could not have been clearer. I will attach screenshots of their conversation in my next post.

If someone can tell us what he was trying to do, please do.

We cannot explain to you the shock of his death. We cannot wrap our heads around why he would do this. Sunny was someone who has literally saved others from depression and suicide. We keep hearing stories from people that he helped in their darkest hour. I can tell you for a fact that he did not suffer from any mental illness or depression. Sunny was SO SO full of life.

He has left behind a 3 month old and a 20 month old. It is hard to even look at his 27-yr-old wife who was barely out of the post-partum phase with her baby. I see our whole family going into depression... Sunny was a very central part of our family. The most kind-hearted soul. An amazing son, a wonderful husband, the most supportive brother, and above all, a one-in-a-million father.

I feel like our whole family will go into depression...

I'm moved to tears to read this. 

I cannot offer any help, other than giving you this metaphor about hell (depression) and heaven (enlightenment):

When you knock a bouncy ball very hard down into the hard ground, what happens to it?....

All my Love and prayers and thoughts to you and your family. I'm deeply moved :'(


Can you bite your own teeth?  --  “What a caterpillar calls the end of the world we call a butterfly.

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I shared's SoonHei's "Direct" questions to NAHM before from Sunday May 2nd. Here is his discussion from Saturday, May 1st which was rather "indirect". I personally don't understand what is being said here but may be some of you can make sense out of it. Sharing just so you know that when someone is asking questions like this, they have taken things too literally and need to be altered or stopped.

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1 minute ago, RMQualtrough said:

In either case I also do not think objective truth matters much... Just ask someone who hammers that subjective experience is irrelevant to go stick their hand in a hornet's nest. After all pain isn't real right?! They won't. Why? Because it fkn hurts! But then for some reason, when it comes to things other than physical pain, everyone suddenly dismisses subjective experience.

Because to you all of this is nothing but intellectual masturbation. If you actually were to take this path seriously, you would notice that it would start being the case that putting your hands in the hornest nest wouldn't be problematic to you at all. Connor Murphy got hair replacement without anesthesia to prove the point that to him every experience was "Good".

 

You are doing intellectual gymnastics here.

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@SoonHei He had a misunderstanding that he is going to complete the journey of life by physically taking his life. And this is something Leo never supported. I also contemplated this thing many times, but always reached the conclusion that it is wrong to do that. Don't worry Sunny was never lost. He will just reappear in a different form and as a different Human. At least he did it peacefully. I wish you all find peace and acceptance,

sorry for your loss. 

Edited by Eren Eeager

I am the only thing stopping myself from receiving infinite Love form Myself. I am Infinite Love for god sake.

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@SoonHei For some reason I can't upload any more as there is a 153Kb limit..?

Pasting here:

NAHM Replied: May 1

You know I have the utmost respect for authentic questions...

Yes, absolutely. Very generally speaking the forum imo has a rare mix of psychedelic bias and deep misunderstanding. Not saying anything’s wrong with that. I like it, it’s more interesting. But there is a pretty complete lack of distinction which will takes years if ever to right itself so to speak. That’ll be contingent on a top down ownership and course-righting of deflection, projection, name calling, and boastful undermining via the conflation of absolute & relative, as it suits. 

I find faith to be only grey, but I don’t mean that to minimize it whatsoever. Generally, I find faith impossible to define, but I feel ‘the opposite of complaining’ points well.

Generally, when someone:

a) makes a dreamboard

b) discovers how much “how” thinking and doership is present in experience

and

c) let’s go of b

they’ll going to be waking up and simultaneously creating the life they most desire, and self discovering quickly via loa. 

Also, be compassionate to the cause and that which funds it (forum wise). There is no perfect way, and LP course, YouTube, Patreon way is as respectable as is possible. 

Imagine if everyone on the forum compared how amazing & abundant their life is from articulating what they want, expressing earnestly, and having complete surrender & faith in the universe being what they are dreaming up... instead of memories of a past trip which doesn’t exist and is precisely how they are veiling themselves from this / consciousness / now. 

---

SoonHei Member

Replied: May 2

Thank you! As always ?

?❤️?

Yes the psychedelic way is very much favored and understandably so, as Leo's videos talk about it and it's his party/forum after all, so naturally that will be the center.

 

Very key thing, to let go of "b)"

Indeed 

 

Thanks ??


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6 minutes ago, Scholar said:

It's Leo's lack of wisdom and social isolation. If he wants to teach he should get in person experience and get the feedback he clearly needs to see.

Leo has been completely dogmatic about the way he teaches since years now, all under the umbrella of it being his style and him wanting to not compromise the "Truth".

So you think whether or not people choose suicide is a matter of how the information is presented instead of it being presented? In your previous message you said "Don't tell this anyone".

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The reason why death (most of the time, especially if you have a decent life with decent opportunities) is so silly, is because it - ultimately speaking - changes nothing.

That/he/she which thinks he/she can be killed/die/reborn/go somewhere/trip IS already death.

Life = dead = life = dead = ....

The dualistic view of life & death as opposites is an egoic, selfish, false, illusory view. In Truth life&death is identical. Completely identical.


Can you bite your own teeth?  --  “What a caterpillar calls the end of the world we call a butterfly.

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This has nothing to do with spirituality, it has to do with avoiding responsibility, avoiding the truth, looking for an escape route. Neither nahm nor anyone is responsible for anything, only the person who jumped off the bridge. just hinting at it is trying to blame people for something terrible. If that person did not mind leaving his wife and children alone and did not want to face life, that is not the responsibility of anyone except his

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@Scholar

If a person is whole, and coming from a place of wholeness - Suicide will not be the answer nor will rape nor will replacing hair without anesthesia. 

With all due respect, I do believe SoonHei was dealing with mental illness in some form.

One of the most valuable supports I have is a therapist and I highly recommend everyone connect in person to someone who can display wholeness.

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This one is for you, buddy...

Farewell. Much love and respect.

 

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5 minutes ago, 4201 said:

So you think whether or not people choose suicide is a matter of how the information is presented instead of it being presented? In your previous message you said "Don't tell this anyone".

I think you have to go back and carefully re-read what I wrote. Some information should not be given out like Leo is doing it and also in the way he is doing it. He is doing deeper deconstruction that Spiritual Teachers will do in person, where they can constantly monitor and adjust the trajectory of the person.

If you want to go deep, you cannot do it in a robot way. You can't do it like Leo is trying to do it, at his home talking to a camera and just telling everyone exactly how it is. That's like so bizarrely silly it's mindblowing to me that it's not obvious.

 

3 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

@Scholar

If a person is whole, and coming from a place of wholeness - Suicide will not be the answer nor will rape nor will replacing hair without anesthesia. 

With all due respect, I do believe SoonHei was dealing with mental illness in some form.

One of the most valuable supports I have is a therapist and I highly recommend everyone connect in person to someone who can display wholeness.

This literally doesn't change anything. But again, just keep on shifting responsibility as far away from Leo and yourself as you can. That's the attitude the spiritual  community needs right now.

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Just now, Scholar said:

Because to you all of this is nothing but intellectual masturbation. If you actually were to take this path seriously, you would notice that it would start being the case that putting your hands in the hornest nest wouldn't be problematic to you at all. Connor Murphy got hair replacement without anesthesia to prove the point that to him every experience was "Good".

 

You are doing intellectual gymnastics here.

I've never cared about the path, this is merely intellectual to me. It's a philosophy I adopted after psychedelic use and then subsequent logical consideration. I do genuinely and truly believe it is most logically accurate, and have had mystical experiences, but my interest ends at understanding.

I think others go the other way round... I became nondual because I had experience which pointed to it and I became curious. I had no choice but to believe what I do... Others instead look for a "path" to improve their lives or w.e. and believe the things in the same way someone may believe a religion... I did not even know what nonduality was until I searched "monist religions" after a DMT trip.

Connor is intensely mentally ill. He claims to have been taken hostage by the government. Not even one claim he ever makes is trustworthy, and if he did do some wack shit, then oh well we all know he is literally crazy.

Someone mentally balanced like Leo does not go on camera shoving his hand in wasp nests. That is madman stuff.

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6 minutes ago, RMQualtrough said:

I've never cared about the path, this is merely intellectual to me. It's a philosophy I adopted after psychedelic use and then subsequent logical consideration. I do genuinely and truly believe it is most logically accurate, and have had mystical experiences, but my interest ends at understanding.

I think others go the other way round... I became nondual because I had experience which pointed to it and I became curious. I had no choice but to believe what I do... Others instead look for a "path" to improve their lives or w.e. and believe the things in the same way someone may believe a religion... I did not even know what nonduality was until I searched "monist religions" after a DMT trip.

Connor is intensely mentally ill. He claims to have been taken hostage by the government. Not even one claim he ever makes is trustworthy, and if he did do some wack shit, then oh well we all know he is literally crazy.

Someone mentally balanced like Leo does not go on camera shoving his hand in wasp nests. That is madman stuff.

That I can believe. I've had similar experiences and there are forces that can do things like that, trust me... The rabbit hole is deep... You call it madman, but he experienced it... What if something out of the ordinary happens to you and then nobody would believe you... But it did happen, clear as day... I've seen and communicated with entities that could read my mind and were translating via some gadgets to get my identity and where I am from, because I wouldn't speak.... Later on, one of the guys there told me that "Everyone here works for the government, don't trust them, even the good ones, they are the worst". Hehe weird 

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To be honest,

Scholar has one point here.

It would do the forum good if many of you guys would crank up the nodge on morality and responsibility and sensitivity.

Hardly many of you been in solid stage green.

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5 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Some information should not be given out like Leo is doing it and also in the way he is doing it. He is doing deeper deconstruction that Spiritual Teachers will do in person, where they can constantly monitor and adjust the trajectory of the person.

If you want to go deep, you cannot do it in a robot way. You can't do it like Leo is trying to do it, at his home talking to a camera and just telling everyone exactly how it is. That's like so bizarrely silly it's mindblowing to me that it's not obvious.

I do think that your criticism of Leo would help him deconstruct the mind of anyone more effectively, but I disagree that his current technique leads to any amount of increased rate of suicide. It clearly reaches more people all at once, but I don't see the link between that and suicide.

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This is an egoistic movement, which mean is someone who is thinking about that jumping on the bridge and doing it. Path of the spirituality is realization of that there is no such a thing as thinker. So when you realize that there will be you to suicede. Suiciding is based on purpose, path on enlightenment is letting go of the all purpose. Sorry for your but it has nothing to do with spirituality. Additionally, people in this form DO NOT TAKE PSYCHEDELICS, WHICH WILL MAKE YOU BE A GOD, OR LOVE, GOING SOME BETTER PLACE, Or BEING INFINITE. ENLIGHTENMENT HAS NOTHING TO WITH ANY OF THAT. Your entire expectations will be destroyed when enlightenment happens. Psychedelics are just an illusion. Not even close to truth. Enlightenment is letting go the person who take psychedelics, all experiences , which are daily or under influence of psychedelics. You let go entire universe thats it. 

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