Posted May 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: You want your scaffolding to be taken factually. The point of all of my pointers is that they will eventually undermine and devour themselves, like a snake eating its own tail. My goal is to take you on this amazing journey through your mind, for years, until one day you have an awakening so deep and so profound that you say: OH-MY-GOD! It's all NOTHING! Everything Leo was talking about was just a giant cosmic divine circle jerk which I created for myself in order to realize the fully glory of myself as God. OH-MY-GOD! But why was all this necessary? To show you the enormity of your own mind. Of course none of it is necessary. I just like exploring the mind. Don't think of my teachings as logical proofs. They are poetry and art. All we're doing here is celebrating the profundity of yourself as God. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: No no no. Leo is making specific factual claims about the Absolute. That's not merely pointing. That's telling. Leo wants to have the finger PLUS the finger pointing to the moon. Am I right? I don't mind blending the map with the territory, the duality between the two must ultimately collapse. What I mind though, is when we're talking about beliefs we don't admit that they're mere beliefs, and persist that they're the truth. Yes, anything will become the truth if we believe it strongly enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: Bam! That's what I wanted to hear all this time. Thank you Leo. That solves it. That's all you had to say. Somehow that's not being communicated clearly and it's causing a lot of confusion to a lot of people. It's hard for the mind to understand or appreciate such an abstract point from the outset. You have to get deep into the work to appreciate that the snake will eat its own tail. The work is self-undermining, as any truthful teaching must be, because reality is groundless. So no teaching can actually become a solid ground. As soon as it does, it's a false teaching. I explained this long ago in my epistemology episodes. But hardly anyone takes those episodes seriously enough. The nature of reality is such that it cannot ever be pinned down. Anything you say it is, it also isn't, and it is also more than both. That is the nature of infinity. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 You wouldn't question what he says if he was in front of you. Go see a zen master and feel how they look at you. You wouldn't even be able to sustain your gaze ? God is love Whoever lives in love lives in God And God in them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: It's hard for the mind to understand or appreciate such an abstract point from the outset. You have to get deep into the work to appreciate that the snake will eat its own tail. I've already realized it, but I appreciate the path you're setting up for people. Edited May 22, 2019 by Joseph Maynor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Shin said: You wouldn't question what he says if he was in front of you. Go see a zen master and feel how they look at you. You wouldn't even be able to sustain your gaze ? Sounds romantic will there be a candlelit dinner too? Dont look at me! Look inside! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 Just now, Rilles said: Sounds romantic will there be a candlelit dinner too? You will either be attracted like you never were, or hating him. Depending on how much your heart is open to receive love ? God is love Whoever lives in love lives in God And God in them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) People are getting told Truth about their true selfless nature and suddenly forum is on fire. Video is very much for people who got enlightened and doesn't know what to do after it. Edited May 22, 2019 by zeroISinfinity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 @Leo Gura Good. I think this discussion was helpful to clarify things for everyone. Thank you Leo ❤️ @Shin That's why I say Leo is the best among all of them, and that's why I care so much about Actualized.org. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Truth Addict said: @Leo Gura Good. I think this discussion was helpful to clarify things for everyone. Thank you Leo ❤️ @Shin That's why I say Leo is the best among all of them, and that's why I care so much about Actualized.org. Thats the power of teachings one to some.? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: I explained this long ago in my epistemology episodes. But hardly anyone takes those episodes seriously enough. How are there episodes called? Somebody knows? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, arlin said: How are there episodes called? Somebody knows? conveniently there is a playlist on this already set up. Edited May 22, 2019 by Omni Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 Don’t you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, Winter said: But math is all poetry and art Yes, but over-rational people misunderstand that. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 32 minutes ago, Truth Addict said: @Scholar Still, the difference is that I am aware of my map, while they're not. pretty hefty statement, you sure you didn't land in a honey pot? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Omni said: pretty hefty statement, you sure you didn't land in a honey pot? I'd say yes, because I'm open to being wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 https://www.actualized.org/articles/the-ultimate-model-of-human-knowledge https://www.actualized.org/articles/the-mechanics-of-belief https://www.actualized.org/articles/understanding-how-paradigms-work https://www.actualized.org/articles/how-to-develop-big-picture-understanding https://www.actualized.org/insights/just-scaffolding https://www.actualized.org/insights/all-understanding-is-metaphoric https://www.actualized.org/insights/all-understanding-is-metaphoric-part-2 Those last two videos are particularly important to fathom. If you don't understand those, you will make a lot of errors in this work. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Truth Addict said: I'd say yes, because I'm open to being wrong. That's good, but that doesn't make you right. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Truth Addict said: I'd say yes, because I'm open to being wrong. Your objections and disagreements are a proper step to "truth" - though are you questioning your desire for where you want Leo to go with Actualized.org? You proclaim strong objections while stating that you're aware of the map/territory, of course i don't have enough insight into your situation to tell you this as a fact, it seems like you stumbled into a trap. Keep in mind while all of this is going on you're using the models Leo has set up, lingo and all to objectify his own work, which is actually the point. But It seems as if you're getting lost in the identification here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 Shut that pill in your gut if your mind can't shut up, you will see ? You will become a docile believer very quickly, bowing down to the ultimate will of the almighty ? There is no discussion to have about that, you did or did not experienced God. And if you did just one second you would never stop chasing or running from it ?? God is love Whoever lives in love lives in God And God in them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites