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I am enlightened. Sincere seekers: ask me anything

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8 minutes ago, purerogue said:

I see, I will find out sooner, or later anyway, just wanted to ask directly if my conclusion is right on where it is going.

So yes , it was question for my own path. 

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It doesn't much help your path to have images of what enlightenment is like. Such expectations are usually obstacles.

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how do i become an enlightened master? do i have to give up living in illusion and embody it, i'm kinda confused about where to go next. 

i'm not searching for the knower, but trying to get an understanding of what are the truths that enlightened masters live by in a sense, because there are many falsehoods, but the knower is still the knower. so how does this make sense? 

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9 minutes ago, winterknight said:

It doesn't much help your path to have images of what enlightenment is like. Such expectations are usually obstacles.

I guess you are right, just wanted to clarify if I am not going wrong direction and do not get caught up in some traps. 

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29 minutes ago, Aakash said:

how do i become an enlightened master? do i have to give up living in illusion and embody it, i'm kinda confused about where to go next. 

i'm not searching for the knower, but trying to get an understanding of what are the truths that enlightened masters live by in a sense, because there are many falsehoods, but the knower is still the knower. so how does this make sense? 

Who is it that wants to become an enlightened master? You must hunt down the I every waking moment. Stay in constant self-inquiry.

This "where to go next" and "how do I become" are products of the ego. 

13 minutes ago, purerogue said:

I guess you are right, just wanted to clarify if I am not going wrong direction and do not get caught up in some traps. 

Issues like whether you "keep awareness" during sleep and all that are totally irrelevant for a seeker. Thinking about such things is itself a trap. 

It's enough to know that you ARE during sleep, dream, deep sleep, waking... and to look deeply into what this "I" is.

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I know from a true self point of view we are all one consciousness but what about from  a small self perspective do other ego's exist under the illusion of being ego's or are they a figment of my egoic consciousness like solipsism.  From a absolute perspective who am I that is asking you this now? As i am sure I am an individual self from my small self persepctive.

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4 minutes ago, andyjohnsonman said:

I know from a true self point of view we are all one consciousness but what about from  a small self perspective do other ego's exist under the illusion of being ego's or are they a figment of my egoic consciousness like solipsism.  From a absolute perspective who am I that is asking you this now? As i am sure I am an individual self from my small self persepctive.

In the end there is no different "small self" perspective vs. "true self" perspective. These ideas are just put out there as a bridge for the seeker, as a kind of helpful crutch for a while.

The absolute truth is beyond both such perspectives. 

So, in a nutshell: there is no answer I can give in words to this. You will have to inquire deeply into who you are  and then you will find the answer.  

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1 minute ago, winterknight said:

In the end there is no different "small self" perspective vs. "true self" perspective. These ideas are just put out there as a bridge for the seeker, as a kind of helpful crutch for a while.

The absolute truth is beyond both such perspectives. 

So, in a nutshell: there is no answer I can give in words to this. You will have to inquire deeply into who you are  and then you will find the answer.  

Ok thanks. What about from an absolute truth perspective. Who am I who is typing these words that you are reading now?

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2 minutes ago, andyjohnsonman said:

Ok thanks. What about from an absolute truth perspective. Who am I who is typing these words that you are reading now?

Well, what I'm saying is that the perspectives are all wrong. Anything put in words is wrong.

See, I could say: "From the absolute truth perspective there cannot be said to be any I, any typing, or any world." But these are just words. You will have to feel it yourself to understand.

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1 minute ago, winterknight said:

Well, what I'm saying is that the perspectives are all wrong. Anything put in words is wrong.

See, I could say: "From the absolute truth perspective there cannot be said to be any I, any typing, or any world." But these are just words. You will have to feel it yourself to understand.

Yes used the wrong word when i typed perspective as the absolute truth isn't a perspective, but to me it is as i haven't experienced it. However I am open to it. I just want to know your experience of the absolute truth who is typing this message to you now? I understand i can't comprehend this through language as you will say you are typing it. As I am you and we are all one but i just want your experience of the absolute to confirm this.

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1 minute ago, andyjohnsonman said:

Yes used the wrong word when i typed perspective as the absolute truth isn't a perspective, but to me it is as i haven't experienced it. However I am open to it. I just want to know your experience of the absolute truth who is typing this message to you now? I understand i can't comprehend this through language as you will say you are typing it. As I am you and we are all one but i just want your experience of the absolute to confirm this.

Yes, what I said above is that you cannot understand in words the answer to the question you are asking. I already gave it but you didn't seem to understand.

So better just to discover it yourself.


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3 minutes ago, QandC said:

Why does the universe exist and what is its purpose? 

Find out who is asking the question and you will have satisfaction on this point.

From the perspective of mind a mystery always remains, but the deep satisfaction you want can be found by going beyond the mind, which you can do if you follow the path of inquiry.


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37 minutes ago, winterknight said:

Who is it that wants to become an enlightened master? You must hunt down the I every waking moment. Stay in constant self-inquiry.

i see thank you, that was helpful

similarly what does it mean to live a life of truth? when everything of the mind is a self-deception or ego. does it mean to remain in silence ? 

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45 minutes ago, winterknight said:

Who is it that wants to become an enlightened master? You must hunt down the I every waking moment. Stay in constant self-inquiry.

This "where to go next" and "how do I become" are products of the ego. 

Issues like whether you "keep awareness" during sleep and all that are totally irrelevant for a seeker. Thinking about such things is itself a trap. 

It's enough to know that you ARE during sleep, dream, deep sleep, waking... and to look deeply into what this "I" is.

That was exactly what I meant by keeping awareness , knowing you are at every time, even trough sleep, it is problematic to communicate correct idea trough language.

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4 minutes ago, Aakash said:

i see thank you, that was helpful

similarly what does it mean to live a life of truth? when everything of the mind is a self-deception or ego. does it mean to remain in silence ? 

Every one of these questions is based on the false identity with the body and mind. 

You must keep inquiring into who asks these questions until it is clear — and when it is, you will see that these questions actually don’t make any sense.

3 minutes ago, purerogue said:

That was exactly what I meant by keeping awareness , knowing you are at every time, even trough sleep, it is problematic to communicate correct idea trough language., 

Ok great. Yes, the true Self is the same in all states.


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@winterknight thats my point it doesn't make sense , either way i am aware, so i was just wondering why enlightened people so to speak live up to such high ordeals in their lifes, like not lying , or helping out others and being selfless. there must be a truth that they're trying to cling to that says that this is the way i must act because this is the truth. what are those boundaries for those people that define things, are they not fully realised or something. 

ultimately there is no such thing as embodiment of truth, only embodiment of high values and truths but this itself gives notion that there is someone trying to sustain these high values and truths. 

do you get where i'm coming from? 

 is it to do with desire

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13 minutes ago, Aakash said:

@winterknight thats my point it doesn't make sense , either way i am aware, so i was just wondering why enlightened people so to speak live up to such high ordeals in their lifes, like not lying , or helping out others and being selfless. there must be a truth that they're trying to cling to that says that this is the way i must act because this is the truth. what are those boundaries for those people that define things, are they not fully realised or something. 

ultimately there is no such thing as embodiment of truth, only embodiment of high values and truths but this itself gives notion that there is someone trying to sustain these high values and truths. 

do you get where i'm coming from? 

 is it to do with desire

Yes, so the answer is that if they act in a “good” way it happens spontaneously. In fact, to them they are not acting at all. 

But the real answer is that the question itself still comes from a position of ignorance. It comes from a position that still believes in people.

It’s like waking up from a dream and then wondering whether the other people in your dream also woke up, and if they woke up, why they’re still so nice in the dream.

Only further inquiry can cure this.


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yes further inquiry into the nature of the true self , its not just enough to realise the true self. 

i get what your saying theres no other people everthing is itself , this is what i was trying to ask about truth. that there is a difference 

i tried listing the qualities of being or truth 

here what i came up with so far

Being is truth

Being is oneness

Being is awareness

Being Is being

Being Is unconditional love

Being is the present moment

Being is complete and happiness

Being is infinite

Being is eternal

this are what i was asking that i need to encorporate, it is itself and these facets of the whole was the answer i was looking for 

otherwise it would be ignorance , thanks. 

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@winterknight

Do you think how insanity is defined in the United States could ever be changed by setting a new precedent for the definition of ego in relation to being as it has come to be understood by contemporary transpersonal psychologists? Or do you see another country which may be more inclined to do such a thing sometime in the future?


"To have a free mind is to be a universal heretic." - A.H. Almaas

"We have to bless the living crap out of everyone." - Hans Wilhelm 

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3 hours ago, Aakash said:

yes further inquiry into the nature of the true self , its not just enough to realise the true self. 

i get what your saying theres no other people everthing is itself , this is what i was trying to ask about truth. that there is a difference 

i tried listing the qualities of being or truth 

here what i came up with so far

Being is truth

Being is oneness

Being is awareness

Being Is being

Being Is unconditional love

Being is the present moment

Being is complete and happiness

Being is infinite

Being is eternal

this are what i was asking that i need to encorporate, it is itself and these facets of the whole was the answer i was looking for 

otherwise it would be ignorance , thanks. 

No, it’s got nothing to do with qualities. Being is beyond all of the things you list. It has nothing to do with incorporating qualities.

When your mind inquires into the “I am” and becomes silent, are there qualities? 

Worrying about qualities should make you ask: Who is worried about these qualities? Who is asking these questions?

You are getting confused by thoughts. You will never find answers there.

 

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