winterknight

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2 minutes ago, Amun said:

@winterknight

Being as in being that which is me, becoming as in awareness being made and remade constantly. I can't differentiate between whether that which is, is me, or that which becomes constantly. 

That which is is you. Does that help? Probably not. I suspect you are tying yourself into intellectual knots.

Are you trying to do self-inquiry? If so, I suggest you follow the instructions here.


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2 minutes ago, winterknight said:

That which is is you. Does that help? Probably not. I suspect you are tying yourself into intellectual knots.

Are you trying to do self-inquiry? If so, I suggest you follow the instructions here.

Thank you 

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1 hour ago, Aakash said:

@winterknight interesting i see the problem, that there is actually no problem. lol so do what you want now

Good. Can you pause a moment and see that on some level your fundamentally approaching this whole enlightenment idea like a scientist tries to understand rules to then replicate said rules. Then once these rules are repeated, said believed person will then become what it then believes it has through its own story (now enlightened because of doing enlightened things and having some changes in perception). 

Hmmmm what is this said believed ‘person’before ,during and after this story that is believing itself to be enlightened. 

If you begin to panic and doubt yourself now, just relax and let it happen  the mind is being check mated 

 

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@Mu_ defintately i have not given up on the idea of do-er ship. and the patterns are making me think of something that is not there. i will indeed relax and just let things unfold. 

 

i wrote this before, but i see what you mean. i'm just making things up again, the self remains the self. i don't have any doubt 

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4 hours ago, winterknight said:

"I know I'm sitting here on the couch watching the movie. I'm not in the movie. But there are still a few things I want to get clear, like what I should do when I face that movie villain."

This was really good!

 

@Aakash bro. With this, i think one needs to get that such a statement / question can only arise if one isn't speaking from the TRUTH.

 

It can only arise if one is speaking as the ego who believes in a concept that it can have enlightenment.

 

@winterknight thank you. Powerful reminder for myself too.

 

Questioning who asks or makes a particular statement

 

And then the answer is seen/felt.


"When you discover Stillness in the movement, and the Unchanging within the changing, then you have found your eternal home."

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@SoonHei its not that, what i mean is 

saying there is no doership and then doing it , is itself a no doership 

saying your the one as an ego is doing something from the finite self perspective is what the ego would say. i am the one doing it 

but in both cases there was still something done in an illusory sense. 

so something was doing it, whether it is 

i (little) or I (big) it doesn't matter because its I (big) anyway. 

so i(little) = i(big) 

thats why i said i still have some things i personally want to sort out. 

the maya (ego) is still part of reality none the less, even if its not true at an absolute level 

who is the one who wants to do something 

itself is itself, i am the one, in a healthy way. 

 

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43 minutes ago, Aakash said:

saying there is no doership and then doing it , is itself a no doership 

Nope. This is just a practice, not the truth.

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but in both cases there was still something done in an illusory sense. 

 

But the illusory sense doesn't actually exist.

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the maya (ego) is still part of reality none the less, even if its not true at an absolute level 

This is only said for seekers. It is not the truth.

The truth is that nothing is done and there cannot be said to be any such thing called maya.

You haven't completed the inquiry into the I. You should try to focus continuously on that I feeling.

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@winterknight but the i is me my normal awarness, i can't see how i can focus on it. its effortless by its nature, this is what my current version of true self is or awareness is. the perception that things is happening is only a perception its not real. nothing is happening in truth, i know this. 

if i had to put it into an analogy for you to understand so you had to understand me, i'm going to use your technique you suggest that will make you understand me as both the same being that you mention when you say using metaphors to understand another humans 

you know when your first born, that awareness that exsist then . thats the awareness that i think is the entire awareness feild and the only thing that exsist. 

if you didn't get that then another would be 

No mind involved awareness that is what i know to be the true self of all of exsistence 

exsistance is this awareness all the time 

no time, no body, no hunger, it does not have eyes, it does not see, 

awareness interacting with itself infinitately. 

THIS IS MY CURRENT LEVEL I AM AT, now i can't view my world through this absolute view, i.e my mum is still my mum and not awareness, this is currently where i am at, but i am aware she is i and is awareness. i don't know if this means i have not died to the truth or what and entered a different dimension of truth or the infinite. but i still know that this can only be the true self, the awareness itself is the only thing that exsist. 

do i need to see the world through this absolute or is it ingnorance to not cleanly die. 

like right now i'm watching happy potter and i think its completely fine to because its infinity, its just what i decided to do at the time. theres no i i'm trying to hunt because i am awareness

like if i really go into that mode of awareness of the truth 

then the characters are awareness , the clothes they're wearing are awarness, the truth is they are acting, the clothes they're wearing only represents the character they're playing, its a pre-recorded video , there is a camera man and a script they're reading off. and finally i am watching off a screen. this is the truth of the situation as best can be described. the higher truth is that nothing is happening 

so which position would i take to be in the truth lets debate 

1) i am watching a movie 

2) i am watching a pre-recorded video of acting 

3) nothing is happening 

do i really need to take the absolute perspective, and take in truth or is this my ego speaking? because for me the true self is awareness and awarnesss can not be broken down further. i am aware and thats it. 

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14 minutes ago, Aakash said:

@winterknight but the i is me my normal awarness, i can't see how i can focus on it. its effortless by its nature, this is what my current version of true self is or awareness is. the perception that things is happening is only a perception its not real. nothing is happening in truth, i know this

Everything you said sounds fine, but if it is true, then how can you ask: "What to do with my life?"

Do you see how that is inconsistent?

That means your mind is being drawn away from "nothing is happening in truth." That place where "nothing is happening in truth" -- stay there. Don't go back to your old understanding. And if you are drawn back, return. Over and over.

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sorry i editted my question, did you get to read all of it? 

yes i understand how inconsistent it is, 

this is my point, this final step, i don't know how to go back. 

i know its the truth, but i don't know how to practically make it my whole reality! 

thats why i asked is it 1,2,3 and you would agree that its 3 now after reading what you wrote ! 

THIS is where i am at on my path 

i have realised the true self , i have realised that nothing is happening so i can basically do anything i want since nothing is happening. this is how it should be though, awarness is interacting with awareness regardless, the intepretations are by mind. 

or is it the case i must stay in no mind thinking for 24/7 

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11 minutes ago, Aakash said:

i know its the truth, but i don't know how to practically make it my whole reality! 

Ok now I read the edit.

No, none, none of these positions. 

You are being trapped in the mind. It is not about positions.

As long as you have doubt, you must ask who has the doubt and return the mind to investigate the I. Who is it that has these doubts, that "wants to make it my whole reality"?

Focus day and night on the "I" -- and do not let go until there is absolute, perfect clarity without doubt.

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okay thanks thats something i can do

focus day and night on the "I" and not just let it off passively as i've been doing, alright cool thanks once again. 

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Problem:

Do I exist? Yes, at least I feel like I do 

Where is the I? Looking, looking, can't find it, get bored, lose motivation :(

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Just now, Sashaj said:

Problem:

Do I exist? Yes, at least I feel like I do 

Where is the I? Looking, looking, can't find it, get bored, lose motivation :(

Who is aware of not being able to find it, getting bored, and losing motivation?


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@winterknight  again I don't know. Where am I supposed to be looking? 

All I notice are sensations in the body, images in the head, stories that are remembered. I feel like an "I" but cannot locate the origin of the "I" 

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4 minutes ago, Sashaj said:

@winterknight  again I don't know. Where am I supposed to be looking? 

All I notice are sensations in the body, images in the head, stories that are remembered. I feel like an "I" but cannot locate the origin of the "I" 

Focus on that feeling intensely and don't let it go. 


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7 minutes ago, winterknight said:

Focus on that feeling intensely and don't let it go. 

Focus in the feeling of "I" ness?

Is it supposed to be confusing and uncomfortable? Because thats how I feel. Im not sure I can hold it for more than a few seconds!

I usually focus on feelings in my stomach as my meditation object but this object is not really an object, so how can I hold something that isn't there?

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11 minutes ago, Sashaj said:

Focus in the feeling of "I" ness?

Is it supposed to be confusing and uncomfortable? Because thats how I feel. Im not sure I can hold it for more than a few seconds!

I usually focus on feelings in my stomach as my meditation object but this object is not really an object, so how can I hold something that isn't there?

Yes, it might be confusing and uncomfortable. "something that isn't there" is just a thought -- and it's not true. You are. It's just that you're not what you think you are. 

You have the feeling of the I. As long as you feel that you are, focus on that feeling and attempt to hold it. Try and try and try -- with as much effort as you can -- for however long it takes before you get clarity.


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