winterknight

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@winterknight i have peeled back the layers and discovered  the i am , the pure awarness , the true self etc 

but my mind is the one doubting and creating thoughts that theres more to do etc 

how do i kill the person doubting and thinking theres more to do. 

self-abidance is what i'm talking about 

i understand that its a switch between both self-inquiry where you have to step back and resides as the awareness. but how do i practice self-abidance without a doubter?

its a really stupid question because either way i'm awareness at all times, but is there a certain lens so to speak to maintain (the awareness lens) without getting sucked back into the maya and thoughts of self deceptions. 

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26 minutes ago, Aakash said:

@winterknight i have peeled back the layers and discovered  the i am , the pure awarness , the true self etc 

but my mind is the one doubting and creating thoughts that theres more to do etc 

how do i kill the person doubting and thinking theres more to do. 

self-abidance is what i'm talking about 

i understand that its a switch between both self-inquiry where you have to step back and resides as the awareness. but how do i practice self-abidance without a doubter?

its a really stupid question because either way i'm awareness at all times, but is there a certain lens so to speak to maintain (the awareness lens) without getting sucked back into the maya and thoughts of self deceptions. 

Who is it that wants to "kill the person doubting and thinking theres more to do"?


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its the awareness , i am! in every situation, in everything thats ever happened in this "unified being" known as aakash life. i've always been here. 

i'm basically seeing its an illusion (the doubter) 

and still identifying with it. 

"i" is a very misleading letter 

I AM should i say is here and now. 

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4 minutes ago, winterknight said:

Who is it that wants to "kill the person doubting and thinking theres more to do"?

i will attempt to answer as I seem to be in a similar place

 

the one who wants to kill the person is also the person - in other words, not me.

i am just aware of this unfolding that I want to kill the doubter or try to stop the one thinking there is more to do

 

and I am aware of it, prior to my writing/saying that I am aware of it. 

i am aware - always. silently so 

 

the identification flickers back n forth but the reminding thought which pops up soon after is that I AM THAT and this drops me back to the I AM and detachment occurs.


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@SoonHei But it still doesn't answer how i kill this dude! :') i feel like i have split personality at the moment. 

^^ i've just continue to self-delude myself. 

@winterknight you know what i don't actually think i have any doubts really, its just my mind, thoughts, identifications playing up. the self inquiry route is absolute it ends up at the same place. but i keep getting attached to the doubter. which is why i'm asking for some practical answer of some kind. but i'm probably right in saying. you can't give one because its my own illusion in the end. 

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12 minutes ago, Aakash said:

its the awareness , i am! in every situation, in everything thats ever happened in this "unified being" known as aakash life. i've always been here. 

i'm basically seeing its an illusion (the doubter) 

and still identifying with it. 

"i" is a very misleading letter 

I AM should i say is here and now. 

Well, hold on a second. Is it really true that the "I am" wants something -- for example, to kill the doubter? When you say "I want to kill the doubter," who is aware of that thought?

When you look for the "I" in that sentence "I want to kill the doubter" --> what happens to the mind?

8 minutes ago, SoonHei said:

i will attempt to answer as I seem to be in a similar place

 

the one who wants to kill the person is also the person - in other words, not me.

i am just aware of this unfolding that I want to kill the doubter or try to stop the one thinking there is more to do

 

and I am aware of it, prior to my writing/saying that I am aware of it. 

i am aware - always. silently so 

 

the identification flickers back n forth but the reminding thought which pops up soon after is that I AM THAT and this drops me back to the I AM and detachment occurs.

Right. 

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8 minutes ago, winterknight said:

Well, hold on a second. Is it really true that the "I am" wants something -- for example, to kill the doubter? When you say "I want to kill the doubter," who is aware of that thought?

i am doesn't want anything no, it just is 

I am aware 

as soonehei said its the person itself who is aware

8 minutes ago, winterknight said:

When you look for the "I" in that sentence "I want to kill the doubter" --> what happens to the mind?

The mind goes silent and rests

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1 minute ago, Aakash said:

i am doesn't want anything no, it just is 

I am aware 

as soonehei said its the person itself who is aware

The mind goes silent and rests

Perfect. So what's the problem? This idea that there is a doubter that you are still attached to IS the illusion. Every time it comes up, inquire into who that is and go back to the place of silence.


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@winterknight there is no problem ^_^, its as you said it is the illusion. 

Thank you for your kind words, once again. 

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i get why self inquiry is the royal road to enlightenment now; 

but theres one thing i don't get, why is it that even though enlightenment is finding the true self

that self-inquiry enlightenment doesn't match up to buddahood in comparison terms? 

i agree you find the same awareness in both methods 

but buddhist traditions overall have a more structured embodiment system that you just can't get with self-inquiry 

what's your thoughts on this? 

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Man @winterknight you should stop this business of saying you are enlightened. All I have to do is look at you asking who suffers and its crystal clear that you aren't. Telling people "who suffers" is dismissing your own pain and other people's pain and just becoming numb. It shows a serious lack of understanding of life. Even if you didn't suffer, you wouldn't respond to people with "who suffers" if you were enlightened. You would show compassion and offer support in a genuine way. Trying to teach the people how they can learn from their unfortunate circumstances. An enlightened person would also not make such a bold declaration that he is enlightened. That also shows you are not enlightened. I'm concerned for you because I used to talk in a somewhat similar way. I think you might be very emotionally numb and you think you are enlightened, but you aren't. Please try to reconnect with your emotions. People get tortured in this life, animals do too. Try to feel compassion don't just disregard suffering. If someone came to murder you or rape you or whatever, you wouldn't be able to detach from the suffering, you would suffer a lot.

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22 minutes ago, Aakash said:

i get why self inquiry is the royal road to enlightenment now; 

but theres one thing i don't get, why is it that even though enlightenment is finding the true self

that self-inquiry enlightenment doesn't match up to buddahood in comparison terms? 

i agree you find the same awareness in both methods 

but buddhist traditions overall have a more structured embodiment system that you just can't get with self-inquiry 

what's your thoughts on this? 

I'm not sure what you mean by 'structured embodiment' system. Do you mean the eightfold path, etc.? There can be structure in Hinduism too. You can read a text like Drk Drishya Viveka or the Bhagavad Gita and get loads more structure than just self-inquiry. Recommendations about diet or sleep and morality and much more can be found.

There are lots of different paths for different people with different temperaments and abilities. The path must 'fit' the seeker.

In the end you'll have to end up in self-inquiry in one form or another.

But while self-inquiry is the royal road, most people need to quiet their mind in various ways first before they can successfully pursue it. They might need to deal with various psychological issues they're having -- using therapy and other tools -- before they are ready to proceed on self-inquiry.

Buddhist -- or Hindu -- structures can help with that.


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I think you've just convinced yourself that you don't exist, when clearly you do still. Pretending you don't exist while clearly lacking emotional depth is the telltale sign of extreme numbness. Just deflecting questions with "What is this?" "What is that?" makes no sense. For your own good and for others good, I hope you will stop this. If you are in fact numb and not enlightened, you will have mislead countless people on here. 

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@winterknight i totally agree with you, in a sense yes i am talking about a system like the eight fold path because self-inquiry doesn't ensure that you develop in this way. it ensures that you find the true nature of the self which is the buddah nature in my opinion. 

yes other hindu systems exsist, but how comes self-inquiry (the method itself, while doing it) isn't able to encorporate such values and beliefs. 

to me its pure direct cut to the truth. but enlightenment doesn't garuntee development or maturation of the self and the method of self inquiry does not either. 

where as the method of reaching your buddahood has it incorporated into the structure as a whole. 

i guess what i'm really asking if enligthenment is enlightenment without any distinction 

is the end of self inquiry the same as reaching buddahnature? 

or does it exclude the development in certain areas. 

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14 minutes ago, Aakash said:

@winterknight i totally agree with you, in a sense yes i am talking about a system like the eight fold path because self-inquiry doesn't ensure that you develop in this way. it ensures that you find the true nature of the self which is the buddah nature in my opinion. 

yes other hindu systems exsist, but how comes self-inquiry (the method itself, while doing it) isn't able to encorporate such values and beliefs. 

to me its pure direct cut to the truth. but enlightenment doesn't garuntee development or maturation of the self and the method of self inquiry does not either. 

where as the method of reaching your buddahood has it incorporated into the structure as a whole. 

i guess what i'm really asking if enligthenment is enlightenment without any distinction 

is the end of self inquiry the same as reaching buddahnature? 

or does it exclude the development in certain areas. 

As I said above, usually  it is a requirement that someone who successfully takes on self-inquiry have a quiet enough mind to pursue it. That usually means they would have pursued development before self-inquiry.

In the Hindu texts self-inquiry is recommended for a mature seeker who has already developed in many ways. Usually, but not always. There are always exceptions. 

Self-inquiry doesn't aim at personal development; it aims at transcending the personal. 

Yes, enlightenment is enlightenment without distinction. Yes, enlightenment from self-inquiry is the same as buddha nature. All the other development of personality is just to create a quieter mind.  

But remember -- enlightenment is the clear felt realization that no such thing as "enlightenment" exists.

If that has not been seen, then ignorance remains.


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@winterknight yup okay totally agree with you.  i didn't know the part about the advance development bit, and i totally am an exception. i did self-inquiry for 6 years and 4 of those years i didn't know i was doing it.  so i can see how that happened 

thank you 

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Are you keeping awareness even when you sleep , to a point where you do not lose it  when you go to sleep and trough sleep? @winterknight

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@winterknight I feel like I understand most of the concepts (but that might be a delusion in itself). What obstacles might I face in my journey as a result of this or is this a better place to start? Or does it really depend?

Is it my continual identification with the "I" as the thing which understood those concepts? Because as my body was typing the above question, it didn't even realize that it was calling itself the "I".

Also, can you help clarify what people mean when they say primary experience is crucial? What is primary experience referring to? How do I know when I am experiencing?

Thanks winterknight

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8 hours ago, purerogue said:

Are you keeping awareness even when you sleep , to a point where you do not lose it  when you go to sleep and trough sleep? @winterknight

I generally don't talk about "my" experience because it's misleading. If you have questions about your path, though, let me know. 

7 hours ago, FreeMe said:

@winterknight I feel like I understand most of the concepts (but that might be a delusion in itself). What obstacles might I face in my journey as a result of this or is this a better place to start? Or does it really depend?

Is it my continual identification with the "I" as the thing which understood those concepts? Because as my body was typing the above question, it didn't even realize that it was calling itself the "I".

Also, can you help clarify what people mean when they say primary experience is crucial? What is primary experience referring to? How do I know when I am experiencing?

Thanks winterknight

I don't know what you mean by primary experience -- I've never used that term. As far as concepts, they are necessary to begin with. You need to understand enough concepts that you feel comfortable with the path. So read, think, and ask questions.

These are my takes on self-inquiry. And these are my takes on the path as a whole.


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I see, I will find out sooner, or later anyway, just wanted to ask directly if my conclusion is right on where it is going.

So yes , it was question for my own path. 

 @winterknight

 

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