dude

Shamanic Breathing Mega-Thread

403 posts in this topic

This technique seems cool, but frankly seeing people calling it "trip" and having psychedelics-like effect is kinda cringy, especially for the people who have never tried psychedelics. Not sure why Leo used these terms while describing it. I mean granted you can get to some deep states, but psychedelics and actual trips are on a totally different dimension, it's actually disrespectful towards psychedelics.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, see_on_see said:

This technique seems cool, but frankly seeing people calling it "trip" and having psychedelics-like effect is kinda cringy, especially for the people who have never tried psychedelics. Not sure why Leo used these terms while describing it. I mean granted you can get to some deep states, but psychedelics and actual trips are on a totally different dimension, it's actually disrespectful towards psychedelics.

That's quite a petty problem you have there, that you had to post about it.

To be fair talking about the effects is pretty similar to when people talk about the effects that drugs had on them.

Consider "tripping" to be the short cut to "whilst using the shamanic breathing technique" for this thread.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Have you guys heard about Hypocapnia? From wikipedia:

a state of reduced carbon dioxide in the blood. Hypocapnia usually results from deep or rapid breathing

(...)

this can cause transient dizziness, visual disturbances, and anxiety. A low partial pressure of carbon dioxide in the blood also causes alkalosis (because CO2 is acidic in solution), leading to lowered plasma calcium ions and increased nerve and muscle excitability. This explains the other common symptoms of hyperventilation —pins and needles, muscle cramps and tetany in the extremities, especially hands and feet.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@blazed   Great post. It reminded me that I was very nauseated during the first 10 minutes. Retched a few times and would have vomited if I'd retched a couple more times, but I got myself calmed and went on. Having a puke bucket closeby would not be overkill for this exercise. I know I will next time.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
52 minutes ago, see_on_see said:

This technique seems cool, but frankly seeing people calling it "trip" and having psychedelics-like effect is kinda cringy, especially for the people who have never tried psychedelics. Not sure why Leo used these terms while describing it. I mean granted you can get to some deep states, but psychedelics and actual trips are on a totally different dimension, it's actually disrespectful towards psychedelics.

I think he and I and many others have used that term because it's very apt, at least when I compare it to how my mushroom trips go. It's not exactly the same, but if someone wanted to know what psychedelics were like, without actually taking anything, this exercise would have given me a VERY reasonable glimpse of what the mushroom realm is like. Your mileage may vary.   :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, PsiloPutty said:

I think he and I and many others have used that term because it's very apt, at least when I compare it to how my mushroom trips go. It's not exactly the same, but if someone wanted to know what psychedelics were like, without actually taking anything, this exercise would have given me a VERY reasonable glimpse of what the mushroom realm is like. Your mileage may vary.   :)

I did a 30 min session and it didn't do much for me. It certainly had its effects, but nothing that I would even remotely compare with an actual psychedelic trip. How many sessions have you done and how long?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I just did my first try. I think I passed out (lost consciousness) around 20 minutes mark, in a pleasant way. All my senses, including my hearing started fading. I panicked tiny bit at first, but very soon relaxed into it. After couple of minutes, my senses started coming back. I felt a lot of vibration all over my body, especially my right elbow, which has RSI. Maybe It was healing my elbow! Now I have a bit of a ringing in my ears. But I feel alright.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Mind blown. I did it for 15 minutes, I started losing sensation in my arms and legs and felt a tingling sensation in my forehead. I had an outburst of crying and I just cried but mindfully for around 10 minutes. I felt so much trauma that I've caused to myself and others rise up to the surface. I saw the importance of love better. I realized love is the way. Love is very important, not the neurotic kind but of course unconditional love to everyone. I also saw a better insight of all the manipulations and dirty deeds I do on the daily basis. I saw how I manipulated my ex girlfriend for my needs and how I basically emotionally tormented her. But, that's not to say I need to punish myself, the only way to get better is to do the inner work. I feel more of the need to just die as an ego because when you live a lie, you pay the price. I recommend holotrophic breathing. 10/10. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I did holotrophic breathing a few times before for 15-20min so I somewhat knew what I was getting into.

Yesterday I did it for 30min, lying on the floor with meditative music like Leo recommended. I got through the whole 30min with minor problems and it was pretty intense. I mostly felt massive amounts of energy moving through my arms and my chest was getting extremely tight. The headspace is unique and weird, a lot of old memories popped up and I sort of remembered how I felt when I was a kid. When the session ended I kinda heard some voices so I went to turn on the lights because I can't handle that shit yet and just laid there buzzing, it was very peaceful. My chest went from extremely tight to feeling very open and free.

I can't say there was anything negative about the experience because even hearing voices is just something that's supposed to happen, but I had a problem with holding my arms spread out because it cut off my blood flow and combined with all the energy flowing it felt like they were gonna fuckin' disintegrate.


“Man’s faith in God is measured by his confidence in himself... Your faith in God is measured by your confidence in yourself, because your true self is God.”  - Neville Goddard

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@see_on_see   I did it for 45 minutes yesterday. I can't be sure, but I'd say the psychedelic-ish stuff started at around 20 minutes. As with actual psychedelics, I'm guessing everyone has their own experience with this. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

Can i do it on my bed instead of on the floor? My bed is the spacious location in my house to laying down and spread my limbs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Recursoinominado Yes why not, I do it on the floor because my bed is not that big. You must have space tho or you could roll off your bed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, see_on_see said:

how do we know if this thing is healthy and safe long-term? Do you know of anybody who has practiced it consistently for years? 

There are no guarantees, but Stan Grof has been teaching similar techniques for many years, with thousands of people participating. If it really damaged your brain, I'm pretty sure he would stop teaching it and people would have sued him long ago.

The only way to know is to try it gradually for yourself. You will feel if it is hurting you or healing you. Just don't ask the question from a fear-based ego-mind perspective.

I don't feel any damage from it. But you guys are all reporting unqiue experiences, so I can't guarantee your health.

This is stuff that requires a willingness to experiment in a careful manner.

What's nice about this techique is that you can make it as gradual as you like and stop at any time, unlike with psychedelics.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You will feel if it is hurting you or healing you.

How would you? There are plenty of things which hurt you but you don't feel it straight away. I don't think oversupplying brain with excess oxygen is healthy in long run. But hey, who I am to judge. This is not my proficiency ;) 

Edited by egoless

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, egoless said:

How would you? There are plenty of things which hurt you but you don't feel it straight away. I don't think oversupplying brain with excess oxygen is healthy in long run. But hey, who I am to judge ;) 

You're actually depriving your brain of oxygen lol.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Holy shit! Just did 30 minutes and calling it a trip its not a overstatement (I am experienced with psychedelics).

At first my hands and head were tingling, and soon my whole body was tingling. When I stopped, my whole body was buzzing and tingling like a never felt before, my mouth and hands started to close spontaneously, I felt like I didn't have much control over my body, my breathing almost stopped and I freaked out for a second but decided to surrender to the experience. Definitely a powerful technique. I am excited to go deeper. 

It is a problem to use it daily? I saw Leo's video, I know what ego backlash is, as long as it isn't creating any trouble in my life, can I do it more often than once a week? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There are no guarantees, but Stan Grof has been teaching similar techniques for many years, with thousands of people participating. If it really damaged your brain, I'm pretty sure he would stop teaching it and people would have sued him long ago.

I'm all for experimentation, I was just concerned about the long-term since it's a physical breathing technique that you do regularly for years, and I have no clue how that might affect the body/brain/whatever. But if thousands of people have done it for years with no real issues then it's cool, that's what I wanted to know. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Does doing a deep breath meditation cancel the effects if you do it afterwards? I did a 20 min shamanic breathing session, felt really cool and had a few deep memories arise, but after i did my normal meditation which is deep breathing i felt like thee effects wore off

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, see_on_see said:

But if thousands of people have done it for years with no real issues then it's cool, that's what I wanted to know. 

 

It's not like all of them have been doing this for years. With Grof's technique, thousands of people have done a few 3 hour sessions. (Also, I believe you don't have to breath a straight 3 hours with no pause there.)

But people have done Wim Hof breathing for years consistently. That's something like a 10 min session each day. They are fine, I believe.

My bf has done ~20 holotropic breatwork seminars over the course of the years. He's had some ego-death experiences. One of my good friends did ~8 sessions over the course of the last five months. She has therapeutical support from the facilitator. She's changing very noticeably, working on her addictions, dropping her defences and becoming more sensitive. She also has mild symptoms of a psychospiritual crisis, seeing auras, talking animals etc. (Leaving brain damage aside, the technique absolutely can destabilize your psyche.)

Known contraindications are: cardiovascular problems, glaucoma, aneurysma, recent injuries, pregnancy, some kinds of epilepsy. (They won't let you take the seminar if you have this stuff.) Severe asthma, and severe mental illnesses can also be a problem. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now