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1 hour ago, Quanty said:

I am not sorry and i will say this:

The Shamanic breathing from Leo is mediocre. Because feeds directly the fight or flight response in the body/muscles/ego. 

It is a a very good breathing technique for those who start in highly physical activity and sports. 

 

Real meditation comes naturally and the breathing evolves at the same pace as energy opens up in you. Real meditation envolves the reptilian parts of the body to be switch and be in tune with the conscious mind and breath.

 

 

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I feel like any technique that gets you close to full nondual realization is going to activate the fight or flight mechanism in your ego, as it completely (albeit, temporarily) destroys it. 

Even in meditation (especially self-inquiry or other techniques to bring about ego death), when everything feels like it's about to disappear, I have a sudden rush of terror and quickly snap out of it like "oh my godddd wtf was that!!!" 

I believe this is why all of the spiritual traditions talk about how God should be feared. 

 

That being said, I'm not sure one necessarily HAS to experience terror to get enlightened, although that is one aspect of everything that can be experienced (or "you"), so it is there. 

 

As for the health concerns of depriving your brain of oxygen, it seems like depriving your body of any nutrients in moderation can be very good for you, and make you come back stronger for it. To be fair, I haven't yet tried this technique, and there's no denying that if you deprive yourself of oxygen too much, the body is gonna die / bad things are gonna happen.

Safe breathing! 


“Curiosity killed the cat.”

 

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Thanks Leo. Now I'm all fucked up. LOL. Did the breathing for a whole 30 minutes. My fingers and wrists locked up and I couldn't use them for about 20 to 30 minutes. This is real shit. I could not use my hands. They were fucking locked up. It was scary. Then I proceeded to jog around a couple blocks... 24 hours later I feel enlightened and I no longer give a fuck about what anyone thinks about me. I feel like the world is mine and I can do whatever I want. I cannot wait for next weekend to do this again, but I have tomorrow off and I am contemplating doing it again.

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I tried it 3 times and couldnt do it for more than 15 minutes, my hands and chest get numb and it feels kinda weird. Afterwards I like to lay and stare at the ceiling. The day after I cried for the first time in years for no reason reall,, I think thats a good thing. I'm a very unemotional pragmatic IT guy, it felt good to me. Powerful technique, I was suprised I thought nothing would happen honestly.

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An additional point of clarification:

Some of you guys pounce on each new technique I share as though it was the silver bullet to solve all of your problems. That is the wrong attitude. Doing a self-help technique once or twice and expecting something miraculous to happen is the wrong attitude.

I never said that this technique will produce enlightenment. That is not its goal.

This technique is not a replacement for meditation, yoga, or self-inquiry.

Deep psychotherapy can take years and costs tens of thousands of dollars. So if this technique can speed up that process by even a factor of 2x, all in the comfort of your own home, that would a huge thing.


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Let's dispense with the bullshit and call a rose a rose. The mechanism that causes the effect is extended oxygen deprivation.  That is what I am calling this practice from now on from now on.  If you want more actual info from a person that actually tried it twice measured my SpO2 levels (Oxygen saturation percentile)  immediately after I stopped then realized that they were lower and wanted to actually know what the mechanism was that was causing  the effects go here.  

If you want to keep following a person that does not even understand the effect that is taking place or what damage it may cause I can not help you.  leo himself states  "It is because you are oxygenating brain so much" (direct quote from video) has little to no understanding of blood chemistry or what he is talking about on this subject.  Your blood saturation will never go above 100% ever.  The above statements are made out of ignorance and laziness of someone that  actually refuses to do the research . I am not a fan of willed ignorance and I never thought I would  see it out of leo.  But here we are.

The fact that he places a legal disclaimer on a video of something he still refuses to research adequately is absurd.

The very fact that he uses rhetoric skills to talk around a subject and influence you without knowing what is going on is lazy and ridiculous. I expected more out of leo that this shotty half ass assertion of something he refuses to just take 20 minuets to research into or even recognize the dangers thereof. I  am fine with his self proclaimed status as Guinea pig and his irresponsible actions regarding himself.  Where I have a problem is him leading and influencing others into something that could be dangerous.  Where is that radical open-mindedness now leo? Where is that due diligence? Where is that quest to know the truth at all cost? From where I stand I do not see a great man I see a man that refuses to see the truth  and only wants to see what he wants though willed ignorance and laziness. I also see a person that is abusing his power and influence here and very well may be leading people down a path that could potentially harm them. and I can not tolerate that.

Do your own research  and do something even leo has not done this time.  Make a well informed decision based on the facts. My results are verifiable just go look and repeat them yourself then once you know the risks and you still want ignore them so be it.  At least  you will know what is going on instead of standing on the side of ignorance.

If people really want to hallucinate though extended oxygen deprivation no matter the cost or damage done to their body or brain maybe they do not need it anyway. 

Edited by Source_Mystic

I no longer advocate, participate, condone, or support  actualized.org or Leo Gura in anyway. The reasons are left in the few post I left behind. 

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17 hours ago, Source_Mystic said:

 leo himself states  "It is because you are oxygenating brain so much" (direct quote from video) has little to no understanding of blood chemistry or what he is talking about on this subject.  Your blood saturation will never go above 100% ever.  The above statements are made out of ignorance and laziness of someone that  actually refuses to do the research . I am not a fan of willed ignorance and I never thought I would  see it out of leo.  But here we are.

 

Yeah, Leo is likely wrong on the physiology, and he could as well admitt to it. Leo is sometimes wrong even on basic facts (esp. numbers, which he tends to grossly overestimate.)

I don't think it's a good enough argument against the technique, or against following Leo. It's an argument against following Leo (or anyone) blindly, for sure. 

The hollotropic breathwork facilitator I spoke to (70y old and in a great physical and mental shape) did mention that HB could lead to similar physiological effect like being 5000m above sea (forgive me if I don't remember the number), so they know. He said you're there for only a few minutes so it's basically safe (but he also asked thoroughly about our health conditions). 

The thing that bothers me about Leo's modification of the technique is, that he urges people to breathe continuously through a whole 90 min session and basically push through any discomfort. I think with HB you have 3 hours, but it's generally ok to make pauses and just savour what's going on, dance if you get the urge etc.. Listen to your body, people!

They're also able to help you with the trauma that may surface via bodywork and do not recommend doing it all by yourself. But I guess it's a matter of beliefs whether you hand out powerful and risky techniques to everyone, or whether you discourage them.  

Edited by Elisabeth

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1 minute ago, moon777light said:

@Elisabeth

How long has the facilitator been practicing HB?

thanks for your explanation :)

I have no idea of the frequency of his actual practice ... but he's had the training with Grof early 90's I believe, so he's been teaching it now for like 25 years. He must have gone through a number of these seminars prior and during the training.

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Week 2

Duration: 25m

Effects during the session:

As last time, I felt tingling in the body and my legs started to move on their own, although much less this time as I tried to relax more.

Effects after the session:

  • feeling great and positive, at peace
  • body feels weightless
  • tingling and a feeling of energy through whole body
  • weird space perception distortion

Loving this technique so far, altho I haven't experienced any of the "dark" effects yet, only very positive effects as above. Doing once a week for now, but I'm considering doing more, like 2-3 times a week.

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@see_on_see Darker stuff probably comes up at longer durations.


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Alright today I gave this technique another go, last week I did it for 15 min and didn't really feel much other than some tingling in the body, feeling light headed and some twitching in my eye. so today I was shooting for 20 min and boy did shit hit the fan real quickly, at about 5 mins in it felt like my whole body was just pinned on the bed with needles, and the energy was flowing so intensely in my body especially my hands and feet as if there's, kind of felt like electricity like damn I could probably make a rasengan in that state. I felt a little bit afraid especially when the scene started turning into something straight out of an exorcism movie with my fingers curling up against each other roughly and if I wanted to straighten them I couldn't, they were just locked, the whole body was and by the time it was 10min in I decided to stop because it was getting more and more intense and disturbing so I wasn't sure if I could handle it.

I didn't experience any hallucinations but by the time I opened my eyes the whole room turned violet for a few seconds, it kind of cool since I never tripped before

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trip report (30 minutes); April 9th 2018

Afterwards, During the 10m of mindful observation  i felt two distinct  subtle  mix  of  negative emotions but i couldn't identify  them  or what triggered them. What both of them disappeared and I felt calmer than ever.

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2nd trip report 30m; April 18th 2018

  • i didn't fell asleep this time
  • i felt some tingling sensations in my hands
  • inconsistent breathing 

Afterwards, i felt an inexplicable peace of mind .;)

music: 

Edited by Everyday

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1 hour ago, Pernani said:

I felt a little bit afraid especially when the scene started turning into something straight out of an exorcism movie with my fingers curling up against each other roughly and if I wanted to straighten them I couldn't, they were just locked, the whole body was and by the time it was 10min in I decided to stop because it was getting more and more intense and disturbing so I wasn't sure if I could handle it.

That's the rub!

That's the essence of all deep spiritual work. It is so deep, it's absolutely frightening at first.

Your entire reality must ultimately collapse. And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Now you understand why people stay as far away from true spirituality as possible. It is a slippery slope that ultimately ends in the annihilation of self and reality.

P.S. Your experience right now of this moment --  of a human being sitting here reading this sentence -- is a hallucination ;)


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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Anyone did this for 90 minutes - 3 hours? without a sitter? how did it go?

I can do 60 minutes easily,  I get the tingles, curling of hands,  loss of logical consciousness but nothing weird, no dark shit, no crazy, fantasy/imginary or scary stuff, sometimes I do get overwhelmed with energy or inability to sit still so I do raise myself up and shake off a bit of that energy haha yeah probably does look like some exorcist shit.

I wanna see how far the rabbit hole can go if I do 3 hours but kind of worried, is it worth doing long sessions or better to stick to 30 minutes?

Some of you guys have some bizarre weird experinces but i never ever get anything from my meditations and shamanic breathing beyond no-mind, intangible nothingness, and inner peace.

Probably need psychedelics for that weird stuff but those effects are actually expected from drug use so its not really me as much the chemical chaos in my body causing that experience.

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@blazed If you really want to go that long and deep, you're best off signing up for an official Holotropic Breathwork workshop. There you will have a sitting partner and you will see people all around you going absurdly deep. Exorcist shit is the norm there.

Here's a little sneak-peak at the craziness that goes on there:

 


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