Leo Gura

Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Maybe I won't reveal it ever.

It is probably salvia. It doesn't appear to be illegal in the state of Nevada.

It could also be a mescaline-containing cactus.

Edited by Nemra

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No more speculating! And no waiting around for a special retreat with a bunch of people to find out what is truth.

All of this hype could just be another trap, after all ;)

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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Maybe I won't reveal it ever.

May I ask why? Do you think some people here could incorrectly use it and hurt themselves? Is it so more dangerous than psychedelics?

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On 10/4/2025 at 0:20 AM, Thought Art said:

Really contemplate this…

It's a trap! Coming directly from the guy himself. ;)

On 10/4/2025 at 0:16 AM, Thought Art said:

@UnbornTao I mean, enlightenment or awakening isn’t the opinion of someone else at the end of the day. You have the experience or access the state and you know. 
 

This idea that awakening has to come from a technique like meditation but not a technique like tripping is kind of strange to me. It’s a weird bias after enough contemplation. 

Neither is it one's opinion, belief, or preference. It's not even subject to perception, but this is difficult to hear, as this is the only place we have to look. And it's not a state. As for your second sentence, who said that?

How do you see enlightenment? What is it? Earnestly inquire into that. Now, after all that, ask again. Then seriously consider that it is neither of those. No place to hide! It's you now. The drugs only alter your brain. It's like putting on running shoes to get at the place you already are. Or some such analogy.

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On 10/5/2025 at 5:26 PM, integration journey said:

What happens in Vegas , stays in Vegas. 

Viva las Vegas

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On 10/5/2025 at 5:33 PM, Jodistrict said:

It does have something to do with the brain.  Consciousness is modulated through our nervous system.  This is what Yoga is about - purification of the nervous system to prepare it for higher consciousness.   Shinzen is actively working with scientists to locate the brain centers involved in enlightenment.  I tend to trust Shinzen on this subject because he was my first meditation teacher and I had personal contact with him and know he is for real.  But that is just personal to me.   

Nothing needs to change, and whatever happens in the brain is a secondary side effect and shouldn't be the focus. It's absolute and prior to the brain. It was the case before you had a body - as if. Don't turn this into a cosmology.

What you're talking about may better be called healing, but no healing, transformation, or process needs to take place for that. Again, it's useful to really revisit the reality that we actually do not know what this "direct" business is about.

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On 10/5/2025 at 5:35 PM, Nemra said:

You just now proved to me that the quality of the experience makes the difference, using Ramana's example.

Why do you assume that what he experienced is what you are experiencing or even capable of simulating?

Also, have you become enlightened or not? :)

:D:D:D

It's neither an experience nor a perception, so I guess we're fucked.

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3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Maybe I won't reveal it ever.

Oh come on!

I never asked you anything 🥺

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45 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Nothing needs to change, and whatever happens in the brain is a secondary side effect and shouldn't be the focus. It's absolute and prior to the brain. It was the case before you had a body - as if. Don't turn this into a cosmology.

What you're talking about may better be called healing, but no healing, transformation, or process needs to take place for that. Again, it's useful to really revisit the reality that we actually do not know what this "direct" business is about.

Meditation is a technique for awakening that we know works.   It has worked for thousands of years, worked for Buddha, etc.  Ramana Maharshi meditated in a cave for 17 years.  From a modern perspective, the problem is that it takes too long.   Shinzen’s idea is to give meditation (which we know already works) a technical boost using technology to cut down the time it takes to awaken.  It doesn’t replace meditation, it amplifies it.  He has already experimented with this describing a TMS session as “like compressing a week-long retreat into 20 minutes”.   Meditation is an empirical technique and not a dogma. 


Vincit omnia Veritas.

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