Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

[Kensho]

23 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

I live by the principle that you can only have an accurate, truthful worldview and sense making of reality by being 101% sober. 

 

It s a pity that after all that is said in here, you haven't get an idea of what psychedelics are 

What you say, is like a blind man refusing an eye surgery because he thinks that touching objects is the best way of understaning what they look like. 

Psychedelics are something You can't grasp logically. Your reasoning is based on a narrow view of reality. Psychedelics are out of that. Don't try to understand how that is even possible. You have to try them to understand. 

You think that you are 101% sober right now? Heh... On psychedelics you will feel 200% sober. 

What is between you and reality, is yourself. You. 'You', your opinions, are getting in your way. Psychedelics take 'you' out, And then you see reality. It simple. All the spiritual practices have an impact on your brain after years, like psychedelics do in some minutes. Brain waves, DMN changes and much more. 

And well...i can understand your stubborness because there would be a problem if you didn't have it. Since you cannot travel, since you can't afford them, denying them relieves you of the suffering you would have if you new manna from the heavens is somewhere where you cannot go. 

And don't just take my opinion as true. Do this simple thought experiment :

If what everyone here says about psychedelics was true, what would that mean to you? 

What would happen if for some moments you subtracted your psychedelic opinion from your worldview? 

Anyway, this is not a thread to talk about psychedelics. Let's take this discussion to the proper forum section. 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Kensho

[MsNobody]

I will be there for sure!!! 

[Max1993]

@Leo Gura I am in the Bay Area, I have access to Vegas so this is something I would really look forward to if planned. This just makes sense. Very interested. 

[Recursoinominado]

1 hour ago, koops said:

Wow really surprised about this!

Interested in Europe event.

I am from Brazil and prefer to go to Europe with Trump in power.

[Daniel Balan]

1 hour ago, Kensho said:

And don't just take my opinion as true. Do this simple thought experiment :

If what everyone here says about psychedelics was true, what would that mean to you? 

What would happen if for some moments you subtracted your psychedelic opinion from your worldview? 

If everyone on the planet said psychedelics are true it wouldn't change my opinion on them. I'm not constructing my worldview based on what other humans say or believe. 

I construct my worldview based solely on my own cognitive abilities, my own mind, my own ability to reason and analyze things, contemplation and direct experience. 

I have come to the conclusion via direct experience that anything that one experiences while under the influence of any substance is a distorsion of reality. A corruption of the mind. Therefore falsehood. 

My views don't come from an stage blue absolutist worldview, I'm not against psychedelics. Use them as much as you like. My goal in life is to make perfect, pure sense of reality and the world. My goal in life is to have the most correct, the most pure and uncorrupted and unbiased worlview. To me psychedelics are like doping in sports, corrupting elements that corrupt my perception of reality. Reality can be experienced accurately only when your mind is in pristine, pure condition. The fuel tank of the vehicle that you explore reality and consciousness must be without any impurities, without any dirt. And to me psychedelics are impurities that make the engine that I experience reality through to malfunction. If it malfunctions, this means I can no longer experience reality in an pure and uncorrupted way.

That's my opinion. I'm not here to challenge anyone on psychedelics. Use them as much as you like.

[GabeN]

YESSSS woud love this!

[Kensho]

44 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

. The fuel tank of the vehicle that you explore reality and consciousness must be without any impurities, without any dirt. And to me psychedelics are impurities that make the engine that I experience reality through to malfunction. If it malfunctions, this means I can no longer experience reality in an pure and uncorrupted way.

Right now, You are like fish in water. You mind is very impure as it is NOW. What you think as the absolute, all your opinions, your reasoning, are the impurity. Your congitive abilities that you so highly praise, don't allow you to access the Truth. This is what you don't get. Psychedelics take out those impurities and allow you to see clearly. 

in addition, you didn't answer my question. I didn't ask you 'what if everybody said...', i asked you 'what if you had to accept as definitely true' i.e. you are false. Don't avoid it. Just do the thought experiment. 

I wish you manage to get some level of mystical experiences by other practices, and then you ll understand what psychedelics could give you 100x times that.  Good like in your endeavours.

[Bufo Alvarius]

On 3.10.2025 at 4:10 AM, Leo Gura said:

Who is interested?

I just flew in from Europe to attend Ralstons Fall Retreat this week, but would be down to join next year, if you host your retreat Q2 or Q3 in 2026.

[Majed]

@Leo Gura How did your health improve ?

[Kensho]

I have a failry good experience with psychedelics, and I would be interested to do a retreat with Leo, to go further. 

[ryoko]

59 minutes ago, Kensho said:

Your congitive abilities that you so highly praise, don't allow you to access the Truth.

This is not true. Depends heavily on your lifestyle. You'll understand what I mean if you have difficulty living away from nature. 

High experiences are checkpoints, it's not something you need to induce with a substance. Do it on your own. And to do this, you'll need to alter your whole life. Are you willing to pay that price? I'd say many can't afford it, because of society's structure and pace, they have to live a certain way which pulls you away from the source. Think about Elon Musk, can he afford to just forget all about his companies and just go live in nature? He can't. He paid the price to be part of something else, and now he's broke. 

@Daniel Balan I can see where you're coming from.

Nobody here should be surprised to see those who stay away from external substances. This is the OG way!

[Phil King]

2 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

I have come to the conclusion via direct experience that anything that one experiences while under the influence of any substance is a distorsion of reality. A corruption of the mind. Therefore falsehood.

what do you consider a substance? Is the water you drink, food you eat, oxygen you breathe, or blood running through your veins substances that could distort your mind?

Edited 5 hours ago by Phil King

[ExploringReality]

Are you going to guide us into a radical state of not knowing, complete openness? Like strip away anything that holds our sense of reality and certainties. I can only imagine the floor being completely removed from underneath while my head is infinitely distributed of all of creation 

Edited 4 hours ago by ExploringReality

[SamC]

@Leo Gura What psychedelics will you use?

[cistanche_enjoyer]

How can it be fully legal?

[Daniel Balan]

47 minutes ago, Phil King said:

what do you consider a substance? Is the water you drink, food you eat, oxygen you breathe, or blood running through your veins substances that could distort your mind?

A substance is something you plug in your ass with a syringe and then you lecture me about God and the nature of reality. 

And then you act surprised when I am skeptical of your god realization.

This is preposterous to expect me to take you seriously when you speak about God after injecting in your arse hole some lab made chemicals. 

May aswell believe Santa Claus is real.

 

[Daniel Balan]

2 hours ago, Kensho said:

Right now, You are like fish in water. You mind is very impure as it is NOW. What you think as the absolute, all your opinions, your reasoning, are the impurity. Your congitive abilities that you so highly praise, don't allow you to access the Truth. This is what you don't get. Psychedelics take out those impurities and allow you to see clearly. 

in addition, you didn't answer my question. I didn't ask you 'what if everybody said...', i asked you 'what if you had to accept as definitely true' i.e. you are false. Don't avoid it. Just do the thought experiment. 

I wish you manage to get some level of mystical experiences by other practices, and then you ll understand what psychedelics could give you 100x times that.  Good like in your endeavours.

Bro you plug poison in your arse hole with a syringe and you talk about how inpure my mind is ? GTFOH

I might have the cognition of an ape, but at least I don't poison my psyche with poison. 

If I had to accept that psychedelics are true I will do that. I will admit that I am wrong. But in this case I prefer to be wrong rather than eating poisonous mushrooms, or to plug a syringe up my asshole. Honestly! 

Edited 4 hours ago by Daniel Balan

[TheRigorMortisOffset]

Yes, live close enough to drive.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

On psychedelic use for spirituality - and not to derail, more to bring some awareness to misunderstanding.

I have extensive history of use. I consider myself retired - the following is my experience.

Psychedelics, used correctly, should be breaking your false beliefs - lifting the cataracts off your iris - to see with clarity. They are not to be used for a simple state change in a recreational manner. Used correctly, they will shatter the false self - the illusory self/deception & assumptions - in a similar way self-enquiry, insight and then integration can do. Just as with self-enquiry, integration of the insight must happen after the session. They can show you the nature of your experience without the self - ego construct - in the way. To me, if they aren't being used to disintegrate false beliefs, deception & assumptions - they aren't to be used.

Not everyone requires the force of psychedelics and can deal with how extreme they are. Some only need the self-enquiry scalpel to remove the cataract. Some need the psychedelic laser eye surgery to force clarity. Some people respond to a simple push into questioning for their illusions to shatter.

Problems arise in the interpretation of the experience & whether or not we are taking our ego into it. And, unfortunately, without proper guidance and intention, users can often form up a bunch of new beliefs based on the experience, instead of look to what was removed and revealed by substance use.

[Phil King]

@Daniel Balan I would still say you’re
making arbitrary distinctions between what you deem acceptable and unacceptable substances for someone to take. Like is coffee a psychoactive drug for you? How about vitamins and minerals? Also the pineal gland can naturally produce DMT so you can’t make the appeal to “only naturally occurring bodily substances are allowed”

Using your logic I could theoretically say that your mind is impure and you should never speak of god because you ate a poisonous McDonald’s hamburger

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Phil King