Leo Gura

Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

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9 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Point to anything they do and it's going to be relative. Nothing can produce direct consciousness because it's not a process.

No!

Stop parroting Ralston. Ralston is wrong and you are wrong for parroting him.

I only talk Absolute Consciousness.

I'm not talking about anything relative or even human here.

All your ideas of enlightenment are kids games.

You do not understand what God/Consciousness/Infinity is. I do.

There is no fucking brain. There is just God.

I am so conscious that I could shoot myself in the head and not die.

You do not understand what I am saying. You do not understand that your entire life is a hallucination, including your damn dog. You are parroting nondual tripe, but you are not conscious of God.

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You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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12 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

Meditation is a technique for awakening that we know works.   It has worked for thousands of years, worked for Buddha, etc.  Ramana Maharshi meditated in a cave for 17 years.  From a modern perspective, the problem is that it takes too long.   Shinzen’s idea is to give meditation (which we know already works) a technical boost using technology to cut down the time it takes to awaken.  It doesn’t replace meditation, it amplifies it.  He has already experimented with this describing a TMS session as “like compressing a week-long retreat into 20 minutes”.   Meditation is an empirical technique and not a dogma. 

Works for what? Seriously. (I'm not saying it doesn't work, it's a real question.) Whatever it works for isn't going to be it nor "lead" to it. It's out of the picture so to speak, as it doesn't play by the rules.

I invite you to consider it isn't like that, because we don't currently know what direct consciousness is about. You still think it is an experience or perception. Actually, Ramana just went through or imagined what his death would be like. He didn't know about or was pursuing awakening, he simply grasped the truth. It's not a fucking process, hence "direct." It just looks like that for us outsiders. :D

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15 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Neither is it one's opinion, belief, or preference. It's not even subject to perception, but this is difficult to hear, as this is the only place we have to look. And it's not a state. As for your second sentence, who said that?

I say it because I am speaking from direct consciousness and you are, in this case, quoting external authority figures. Something, I am not completely clean of either.


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52 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

At the same time, it is possible to grasp it now - for everyone.

And my dog, and the fly stuck in the window too?


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58 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Nothing can produce direct consciousness because it's not a process.

This is false. Consciousness is a Process that is happening right Here & right Now.

So you could say: Nothing can, indeed, produce Direct Consciousness ;)

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It’s clear that psychedelics have the capacity to orient one’s mind towards insane levels of metaphysical insight in ways that sober contemplation and self inquiry can’t.

Does it guarantee Awakening? Of course not, but that doesn’t change the fact of the matter. Non dual people are in denial about this because it conflicts with aspects of their identity, though they claim to have transcended the self.

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I think there are insights, states, and various degrees of understanding consciousness. I think a human, vs an ant is one example. So is a human in a higher vs lower state. There are things you can't grasp in a sober state, that are true about consciousness.

I think there is this tendency for some people to posture up, and say well "It's all consciousness", or that "Direct consciousness is just what is"... Which is true. This moment, and everything in it is direct consciousness. Perhaps, people then say "well meditation is the only way to grasp this". This I think is a mistake because you are actually chained to your "human" nervous system and brain chemistry. In their, any thought or technique you would do is simply adjusting the nervous system, brain chemistry, etc. This is the double standard of this view.

I for one, don't believe in "enlightenment" as a singular thing. I've experienced, and witnessed infinity, and many divine understandings of consciousness through 5meodmt and nndmt and my own contemplations.

I'm grateful to be able to contemplate this deeper. There is surely a paradox between me being consciousness, and even having access to direct consciousness now, and forever... and the value of a psychedelic for understanding and accessing higher states of consciousness. 


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11 hours ago, OBEler said:

Will the psychedelic be a full dose or in the lower dose area? 

What I once considered a low dose is now like a sledgehammer to the ribcage from Shohei Ohtani.

And, damn, would I not mind that :$

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On 3.10.2025 at 11:10 AM, Leo Gura said:

I am designing a new kind of psychedelic group retreat. It is fully legal and will be held in Las Vegas. The purpose is not for fun but to do serious God-Realization with guidance from me.

Sounds intriguing but the whole setup raises major red flags. You're proposing God realisation under your personal guidance while also taking people's money. Textbook power imbalance with huge potential for misuse.

Add psychedelics and now participants will have to rely entirely on your good intentions. Calling it "an experimental thing" and having knowledge you might or might not ever reveal doesn't make you look good either.

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17 hours ago, Nemra said:

Never heard about that chemical before. Interesting.

You have never heard about psilomethoxin, because it doesn't exist. I am into chemistry and there's no proof anyone who claims they have consumed psilomethoxin has ever done so. No single public synth report, and the mushroom substrate method is proven not to work. There is one company that claims they have synthed it and offers it as a sample, you know, analytical chemistry sample, so incredibly tiny amount for an absurd price, no-one will ever order it and then consume to report its effects.

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@Girzo, thanks for informing.

 

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4 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

he simply grasped the truth

You have an assymetric approach to this and it doesnt make sense.

You hold to the position that the chance of enlightenment cant be elevated but at the same time you are against doing certain things like conceptualization. How can you hold to the position that the chance can be lowered but cant be elevated -  Why be against anything if none of it matters and it is completely random anyway?

When the Zen master hits the student with a stick that as unhelpful under your view to get the student enlightened as infinite conceptualization about random shit.

If the idea is that "because conceptualization about enlightenment isnt enlightenement" - then my reply is - why is that bad? You hold to the position that nothing can have any causal effect on it ,so again,  why care about who is deceived? You hold to the position that a guy who meditated and did yoga 60 years constantly in a cave has exactly as much chance to get enlightened as any given random infant who was born 1 second ago.

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5 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Works for what? Seriously. (I'm not saying it doesn't work, it's a real question.) Whatever it works for isn't going to be it nor "lead" to it. It's out of the picture so to speak, as it doesn't play by the rules.

I invite you to consider it isn't like that, because we don't currently know what direct consciousness is about. You still think it is an experience or perception. Actually, Ramana just went through or imagined what his death would be like. He didn't know about or was pursuing awakening, he simply grasped the truth. It's not a fucking process, hence "direct." It just looks like that for us outsiders. :D

Meditation is a technique that quiets the mind and puts you in a non symbolic  space where you can see the truth.   Your non duality dogma is conceptual and will not liberate anyone.


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On 10/3/2025 at 6:52 AM, Leo Gura said:

No experience necessary.

So if you have no experience will we experience God or be releasing trauma

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In! 💯 So glad I saw this. 

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2 hours ago, Zen LaCroix said:

So if you have no experience will we experience God or be releasing trauma

Could be either. Either is good.

But I will guide people past all the human baggage to God. Whether you get that is another matter. Some people will need multiple retreats or follow-up work at home.


You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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6 hours ago, meta_male said:

Sounds intriguing but the whole setup raises major red flags. You're proposing God realisation under your personal guidance while also taking people's money. Textbook power imbalance with huge potential for misuse.

Add psychedelics and now participants will have to rely entirely on your good intentions. Calling it "an experimental thing" and having knowledge you might or might not ever reveal doesn't make you look good either.

Of course I'm taking people's money. I'm not working for free.

Yes, you have to trust my good intentions. If you don't trust me, don't come.

I have no need to hold this retreat. This retreat is for you guys to wake the fuck up.

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@Leo Gura do I need god Realization first for alien mind?

I am looking forward for your alien mind course one day, too.

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