Humanity Has Failed

[Nivsch]

4 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Haven't I clarified that I'm not talking about most Jews?

I probably missed it, but fair enough.

Edited May 21 by Nivsch

[SwiftQuill]

1 hour ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Israel vs Hamas is like an unstopped force meets an immovable object.

Israel - and especially the more fanatical elements in it - will refuse to relinquish Israel at any cost and are prepared to wipe Palestine off the map to achieve it. They’re convinced only Israel can keep Jews safe from another Holocaust (and in a world rapidly seeing the rise of neo-Nazism it’s hard not to see why) so they’d never surrender it.

Hamas (and Palestinians as a whole) on the other hand (rightfully) see Israel as the settler-colonial project that it is and will never forgive some random wealthy white European nation sprouting up on the land that has been theirs for over 1,400 years, not to mention the 75+ years of displacements, imprisonments, murders, checkpoints, wars, etc.

Not to mention the religious zealotry on both sides who see each other as the spawn of Satan destined to be destroyed during some final climatic battle or whatever. 
 

It has to be one of the complex and screwed up geopolitical hotzones of the modern age. There’s very, very few easy answers here. I basically try to ignore it completely it’s so hard to dissect.

I'm not following this thread too closely but I feel this comment is very accurate. Or at least it's the way I look at the conflict as well.

But people often dismiss me as "right wing" for not pretending Israelis are devils and Hamas are innocent angels.

[Leo Gura]

Are you kidding? Netanyahu will never change. He's all-in.

[Rafael Thundercat]

Connections of what is going on in Palestine and kashmir. 

https://overland.org.au/2025/05/the-imperative-to-condemn-and-the-politics-of-appeal-from-palestine-to-kashmir/?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAachEMrGndMVbV_n-G42ds-LiZalCp8dDu1pR0t6RiMN4hnmmFqHlmo3IbSrdg_aem_sGOuUBG1hE3llvxp8OH79w

[Davino]

@Someone here Your intellectual development surpasses your moral development; a dynamic that, in daily life conversations, can be just as problematic as the reverse. Can't wait for your message intellectually piercing through morality. In this way you trap yourself.

Please consider you wouldn't hold this position if this happened to your nation, your friends and family, your house bombed, your little sister starved to death etc. It's an intellectual vacuum where you contemplate. War would crash our souls, our generation doesn't even have a point of reference, we live in bubbles of comfort. So let's be as intellectually developed as we are morally and point out corruption and devilry from a place of high standards for humanity. 

[Basman]

This whole conflict was a mess from the very start.

[Rafael Thundercat]

5 minutes ago, Basman said:

This whole conflict was a mess from the very start.

Started very long time ago

[lina]

A conversation created by ChatGPT showing how would Green, Yellow and Turquoise react to this humanitarian catastrophe:

GREEN: "We need international sanctions now. Protests. Pressure. Name the oppressor. If we don’t take a stand, we’re complicit. Enough moral gymnastics!"

YELLOW: "Your urgency is justified, but we also need to ask: why are these atrocities allowed to continue? What incentives drive this? What fears fuel both sides? If we just shout, we miss the mechanics of the machine."

TURQUOISE: "And if we only analyze, we miss the soul. This land is soaked with ancestral grief. No peace will come without collective healing. The rage, the fear, the dehumanization—they are inherited wounds."

GREEN: "Healing comes after justice. You don’t bring flowers to a battlefield while bodies are still dropping."

TURQUOISE: "Sometimes you must. The battlefield is in the heart as much as the land. If we don’t break the chain of hate, we feed the fire with our righteousness."

YELLOW: "I think we need both timelines. Green's direct response. My structural work. Your consciousness shift. If we coordinate, we move faster and deeper."

GREEN: "So, I scream. You map. And Turquoise… prays?"

TURQUOISE: "No. I listen deeply. I create spaces where the grief can be witnessed and transmuted. I walk between worlds so others can remember who they are."

YELLOW: "And maybe together, we create a response that neither silences pain, nor drowns in it, nor intellectualizes it—but actually transforms it."

Three voices. Three medicines 

Green brings the voice of the victim and the fire of justice.

Yellow brings the meta-view and the engineering of peace.

Turquoise brings the soul salve and the memory of wholeness 

[Loveeee]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Are you kidding? Netanyahu will never change. He's all-in.

The meme is Naruto will try and talk his way through any villain

Deleting as I don't want to be misunderstood 

[Raze]

This happened just as the EU voted to reconsider ties. Hopefully it encourages more pushback. 

[Someone here]

10 hours ago, Davino said:

@Someone here Your intellectual development surpasses your moral development; a dynamic that, in daily life conversations, can be just as problematic as the reverse. Can't wait for your message intellectually piercing through morality. In this way you trap yourself.

Please consider you wouldn't hold this position if this happened to your nation, your friends and family, your house bombed, your little sister starved to death etc. It's an intellectual vacuum where you contemplate. War would crash our souls, our generation doesn't even have a point of reference, we live in bubbles of comfort. So let's be as intellectually developed as we are morally and point out corruption and devilry from a place of high standards for humanity. 

Noted . Thank you .

[Apparition of Jack]

I think for Israel to wake up to what it’s doing and to stop the slaughter, they need to be convinced by the world that the horrors of antisemitism won’t be repeated again. In many ways I think the world has failed on this regard; the amount of explicit, violent antisemitism that still floats around the cultural mainstream is just too frightening for many Jews to accept. 
 

While it might have only been Nazi Germany that committed the Holocaust, the fact that the rest of the world is still seeped in even “causal” antisemitism tells me we’ve failed as a planet to assure them they won’t be hurt again. Jews are just people like anyone else; the fact that the word “Jew” itself is often shorthand for “greed”, “conniving” or even “subhuman” tells me we haven’t done enough to move on from the catastrophic biases that led to the desperate creation of Israel in the first place.

Edited May 22 by Apparition of Jack

[Twentyfirst]

Unless you have a plan that's better than Oct 7th (which you still have to consider wasn't as bad as the media portrayed, IDF may have even been involved) then how can you say it was Hamas who made a mistake by attacking. What else should they have done? When the entire international community or essentially the entire western world is supporting Israel without question and all of their citizens are in a consumerist slob slumber, how the hell are you gonna wake them up? Why did the world stop Hitler from killing the Jews but didn't stop Netanyahu from killing the Palestinians.

Terrorist is what Western governments use to call poor families who have the courage to defend themselves, it's just a word from a certain perspective. The word used to be savages with the Native Americans.

[Twentyfirst]

19 hours ago, Nivsch said:

hamas anyway does not protect the Palestinians. It exploits their suffering for its own ideological and religious agenda knowing fully the consequences. Its strategy is not resistance but sacrificing its own people for their ideological fantasies. 

Israel anyway does not protect the Jews. It exploits their suffering for its own ideological and religious agenda knowing fully the consequences. Its strategy is not resistance but sacrificing its own people for their ideological fantasies. 

[Nivsch]

21 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Israel anyway does not protect the Jews. It exploits their suffering for its own ideological and religious agenda knowing fully the consequences. Its strategy is not resistance but sacrificing its own people for their ideological fantasies. 

* This government

[Twentyfirst]

7 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

* This government

Don't pretend that the Netanyahu government is more barbaric than the 1948 or 1967 or early 2000s governments. It's all the same continuation of land thieves 

[Porphyry Fedotov]

On 5/21/2025 at 10:41 AM, Leo Gura said:

Yes. But they have also failed themselves. Terrorism backfires. This is the backfire.

It is not surprising that world governments do not want to fight Israel on behalf of terrorists.

Every Israeli citizen is a reservist. In this context, it is difficult to label the Palestinian resistance and the struggle against Israeli apartheid as terrorism.

[Nivsch]

9 minutes ago, Porphyry Fedotov said:

Every Israeli citizen is a reservist. In this context, it is difficult to label the Palestinian resistance and the struggle against Israeli apartheid as terrorism.

"Every Gazan is hamas" say many Israelis. You just made now the same mistake, just flipped. Its called projection. Now, its important to be more accurate and for you to know, the IDF, though have its own corraptions, is still a system which designed to defend the Israeli citizens, and not to terrorise other people.

Edited May 22 by Nivsch

[Twentyfirst]

14 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

"Every Gazan is hamas" say many Israelis. 

Thanks you for showing you are acting here just like them.

Now after we know you did here a psychological projection, its important to be more accurate and for you to know, the IDF, though have its own corraptions, is still a system which designed to defend the Israeli citizens, and not to terrorise other people.

Man, you are so difficult

Except every Israeli IS or WAS an IDF member. Which is law by the official GOVERNMENT

Half of Gaza population are actually kids and the half of the adults are women

Hamas members are orphans who have parents and grandparents that have lived under Israeli rule. There are no women Hamas members but there are women IDF members

Hamas, even ordinary Gazans, are allowed to attack IDF members by international law since Israel is a terrorist occupier 

Hamas is just a function. Once the occupation is over they have already stated they will go away. It's a tool

Edited May 22 by Twentyfirst

[eliasvelez]

@Someone here My man, you seem to falling into I trap that I fell into. You are not over the thing, and neither is your empathy sincere. Im very interested in politics and I had a “phase”when I would watch all the events that happened trought the lense of spiral dynamics and have the attitute of “you know, suffering is part o life, and it makes all sense in the end so it's okay and just part of life🤷‍♂️"...It makes it easy because you emotionally detach from the situation.... but that's a very immature perspective because you didn't integrate empathy and humanness into it. You pretend that you are some kind of Stoic entity (which you are not) Not because you are a bad person but because the feelings of the tension of the complexity of the issue, the powerlessness, the pain is way too much to handle, so we close our heart. 

So next time maybe see how it is to just be with that feeling of complexity, pain, powerlessness without trying to escape this feelings