Humanity Has Failed

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

Hamas had only 20-40K members

Well, that's the tragedy of it. Poor leadership dooms a whole people.

Good leadership is crucial in politics, or everyone pays the price.

[Rafael Thundercat]

53 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, it has.

The Israeli state is one of the few instances I know of where terrorism actually worked out in the group's favor. But it does not seem to work well for Arabs.

Imagine if you were just a peaceful civilian living in Gaza last year. You would hate Hamas. No matter how bad things were before Oct 7th, they are way worse now. It is a mistake to attack a more powerful and shameless opponent in a barbaric way because they will take it out on your people. That's what Israel did. Fair or unfair, it is how psychology and politics works. The bottom line is that when you are weak you are not in a position to dictate terms, and suicide missions will not make you strong.

In the History of Colonialism there are abundant instances where the Oppressor paid a Militia group or allie mercenaries to make an attack in order to justify a Retaliation. Is war strategy 101. Even a old woman know the ideia. Check a video where a old woman push the reporter and then when he refuse to push her she say smillig " I wish you had Push me!

One of this instances is in the Skyes-Picot agreement where a Arab Iman were conviced by the French that he would be granted some benefits in case he would help them to defeat Ottomans. End up that they didnt gave what they promised. 

Not saying that the attack on the Festival was the case, but also it could be.

[Raze]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, that's the tragedy of it. Poor leadership dooms a whole people.

Good leadership is crucial in politics, or everyone pays the price.

Since Oct 7 Israel’s international approval is collapsing, its economy is hurting and many are leaving. It could cause a  chain reaction to eventually free the Palestinians. 

Edited May 21 by Raze

[Nivsch]

11 minutes ago, Raze said:

Hamas had only 20-40K members

hamas anyway does not protect the Palestinians. It exploits their suffering for its own ideological and religious agenda knowing fully the consequences. Its strategy is not resistance but sacrificing its own people for their ideological fantasies. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

If a lion keep messing with a village of Rats, even if the rats are smaller and weaker, sooner or later some of the most ferocious rats will lash out and attack the lion for the sake of dignity.

https://www.palestinecampaign.org/wp-content/uploads/Nakba70-Resource-Pack.pdf?__cf_chl_tk=8ZMVliRVX1.zzkPPmuQkcYbZRvAJN1EwYHiUEuVVvLo-1747842641-1.0.1.1-2wtoftIc.nbbSCt9FsTtqGrSqfwuSvns71Ppl5g0iow

Nakba have a long History 

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[Raze]

Just now, Nivsch said:

hamas anyway does not protect the Palestinians. It exploits their suffering for its own ideological and religious agenda knowing fully the consequences. Its strategy is not resistance but sacrificing its own people for their ideological fantasies. 

At least Hamas has the excuse of being orphans born in a ghetto.

Israel is the same despite being populated by privileged immigrants, and they commit their violence on a far larger scale.

[Nivsch]

3 minutes ago, Raze said:

It could cause a  chain reaction to eventually free the Palestinians. 

And create a Palestinian state in which they will be oppressed by an another Arab leadership similarly they have right now. Freedom won't be here.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Raze said:

It could cause a  chain reaction to eventually free the Palestinians. 

Nope. It just increases their misery.

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 minute ago, Nivsch said:

hamas anyway does not protect the Palestinians. It exploits their suffering for its own ideological and religious agenda knowing fully the consequences. Its strategy is not resistance but sacrificing its own people for their ideological fantasies. 

In Brasil the Favelas have Drug Cartels living inside. The cops make Raids to hunt for this Fuckups, is different than Killing the whole population of the Favela that already suffer with the presence of The dealers. 

[Leo Gura]

25 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

If a lion keep messing with a village of Rats, even if the rats are smaller and weaker, sooner or later some of the most ferocious rats will lash out and attack the lion for the sake of dignity.

Sounds cool but in practice it is shit.

Edited May 21 by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

6 minutes ago, Raze said:

Israel is the same despite being populated by privileged immigrants, and they commit their violence on a far larger scale.

No. This is a radical sector who is now controlling Israel.

Edited May 21 by Nivsch

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, yetineti said:

@Someone here

If you understand so much more than us than you must realize this is the society section of the forum.

Take your spirituality elsewhere and have some respect.

What you understand is this isn’t your problem.

That isn’t indifference or Love. That’s you having a semantic battle of stoicism.

The game is clear. You are not experiencing the type of indifference Leo speaks of. You are testing an idea in a thread on genocide. Arguably disgusting. 

relax man. I'm an absolute donkey when it comes to politics and stuff .i don't like it. It has no oder or smell or taste .sorry to disappoint but all i have is this pseudo spiritual fluff. 

On a serious note ..why do you have to be an ass? Why not let what's being said to sink in and see if there's resonance?  Or do you enjoy banging your head against the wall about war and people being ditched to the dust bin of the universe by dozens since Adam's two sons killing each others over who is gonna fuck his sister? Why play these games when you can transcend the entire situation? 

But what do I know .

 

 

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[BlueOak]

No liberal world order.
Far Right and religious authoritarian states being authoritarian states.

Brave new world we've all walked into. Wonder when the population will start to think huh, maybe this wasn't that bright.

 

[Nivsch]

51 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

is different than Killing the whole population of the Favela

Netanyahu is doing a horrible war right now which makes everything worse for everyone (not for neutrality sake but really), but the killing ratio, empirically speaking, is similar to America's wars and a bit smaller. Still very bad and had to stop many months ago, but honesty is also needed.

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[yetineti]

@Someone here

 

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On a serious note ..why do you have to be an ass?

You came into a serious topic on genocide with your ‘spiritual fluff’ while admitting you know nothing about politics— yet I am the ass? Grow up.

You are disrespecting tens of thousands, if not millions. If that means nothing to you or you aren’t interested in politics so be it.

Go to any number of other threads on this forum.

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I have respect and know when something is serious or if my words will have impact.

I don’t have a dog in this fight either. I don’t know what you were talking about with Adam’s sons and banging my head against the wall, etc.

I just don’t go to people in pain and say ‘it’s all the same really.’ That’s what asses do. You don’t want to be an ass do you?

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Or do you enjoy banging your head against the wall about war and people being ditched to the dust bin of the universe by dozens since Adam's two sons killing each others over who is gonna fuck his sister? Why play these games when you can transcend the entire situation? 

But what do I know.

Watch the name calling and projection.

If you walk into a conversation you admit you know nothing about, especially a serious topic, expect this to happen again. I have responded kindly. Others may not.

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[Someone here]

@yetineti

 You missed the point once again like her . I called it" spiritual fluff "to communicate with you using your own paradigm since people like  you only know how to get lost inside the situation instead of transcendening it .I am not saying if im in Gaza i wont cry like a dweeb..if these conditions are presented to me while I am embedded in this finite form I am very much likely to fall prey to it. I cannot exist within the society and not expect the society to royally fuck me up. 

Nonetheless..it is definitely possible to experience that indifference im talking about and its not a word game .the criteria being that you have to be completely detached from your humanness..and get into.. quite literally.. the God-mode. 

Do not respond back cuz I'm not going to .or have the last word idc.

Also I'm not convinced that you or MsNobody or OP actually give a shit about kids dying in Gaza . Otherwise why are you still eating and sleeping and  not just flipping the entire Internet upside down searching for donating sites to actually provide tangible help instead of moaning on a forum ?  It's cool to talk about humanness and empathy and bla bla bla but talking doesn't change anything. 

 

 

[yetineti]

@Someone here

Do you have a condition? Are you OK?

You know nothing about me. You’re just throwing a fit online.

Maybe if you talked to me like a person and didn’t make up words to try and communicate something you don’t understand to someone you don’t know, we’d have better communication.

Maybe you even trying to make a point as the problem in and of itself.

Edited May 21 by yetineti

[Schizophonia]

World is inside you

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, yetineti said:

Do you have a condition? 

I do have anxiety issues.  But the meds are helping .

4 minutes ago, yetineti said:

Are you OK?

Yes .thanks .

5 minutes ago, yetineti said:

it sounds like you’re grappling with meaning because it’s just about anything you’ve said to me I could say back to you and it would actually be a better argument against you than for you

This is false . 

 

[yetineti]

@Someone here

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I do have anxiety issues.

Sorry.

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But the meds are helping.

I hope so.

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Yes. Thanks.

If you need something PM me.  I wasn’t trying to be an ass. I was making a social observation.

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This is false.

I actually revoked it myself— the statement this was in reference to. I stand by what I replaced it with.

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Also, don’t tell me what I give a shit about.

You don’t know me, remember?

Edited May 21 by yetineti