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Hamas radicalized in response to Israel mass killing peaceful protestors during the second intifada, and Hezbollah formed in response to Israel supporting mass killing of civilians in Sabra and Shatilla and later occupying Lebanon.

What brought it to do so in the first place was the already brutal violence on civilians in the West Bank occupation and mass violence in bombardments and collective punishment of the Gaza blockade. It did not start on Oct 7. Even if we assume so about 800 civilians died on Oct 7, (it is unclear how many were killed by IDF implementing the Hannibal directive). Which is much less severe than how Israel has killed nearly 700 civilians in the West Bank, at least 25,000 in Gaza (based on their own numbers, the reality is likely double or triple), and nearly 2,000 civilians in Lebanon.

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Multiple IDF generals and Israeli historians have themselves admitted this

So blockading the population to the point where they can’t even receive necessary medical and food supplies is necessary for security but directly funneling money to Hamas, which was the whole excuse for the blocker, and is a group which has attacked and never said they would stop using armed resistance is also necessary for security? How does that make sense? Meanwhile Israel’s entire history is filled with instances of provoking an attack followed by using it as an excuse to expand or punish civilians.

Them funding Hamas is confirmed. I don’t think they wanted Oct 7 to happen, but they clearly wanted Hamas to do something so they have an excuse to respond. They admitted to punishing Gazas population, then they funded Hamas, and they’ve talked about how they call it “mowing the lawn” to just take a small loss then mass kill Palestinians every few years all the while they expand and expand.

I’m referring to the more recent support of Hamas through transferring funds. That was the PLO at their founding, they later acknowledged Israel’s existence and ceased armed resistance.

Again they themselves said they were funding Hamas specifically to sabotage a peaceful settlement

No, I’m saying that the security excuse is just an excuse for them to continue expanding which actually hurts their security, as seen in how historically they keep expanding and their security gets worse. The former prime minister of Israel Ehud Barak himself said if he was Palestinian he’d be a terrorist.

They didn’t strike first. Israel has forced 2 million (half of whom are children) inside a ghetto with a blockade so strict that half adults are unemployed and most didn’t have access to clean water, they specifically limited calories to put the population on a diet so many were malnourished. Israel periodically bombed Gaza so viciously that the majority of children had PTSD and they had the highest rate of self harm and diarrhea. Gaza had the highest proportion of child amputees. This was prior to Oct 7. Saying they struck first is like saying when Jews in the Warsaw ghetto rose up against the Nazis the Jews struck first. It has nothing to do with survival, in fact the Israeli government specifically funded Hamas with the express purpose of making them stronger to justify further expansion in the West Bank. In the West Bank the PA rules there and hasn’t attacked Israel in over a decade. So the excuse of “Hamas” isn’t active. Yet more children were killed there in 2022 than any year in the second intifada. And in 2023 prior to Oct 7 it was already the deadliest year for children living there. Since Oct 7 Israel has announced the largest land seizure there in decades and settlers and IDF have killed over 700. Oct 7 is just an excuse for them to make Gaza unlivable and complete the ethnic cleansing. Gaza is the size of Las Vegas and home to 1 million children and Israel has dropped more bombs on it than were dropped on Dresden, Britian, and Hamburg in world war 2 combined. The majority of all buildings were destroyed. Dozens of Doctors who visited Gaza who have seen many war zones said they had never seen so many children with gunshot wounds. Now Israeli media is openly talking about implementing a generals plan which calls for cutting off food, fuel, and medicine to the entire north and they’ve begun bombing residential buildings. This serves no military purpose, Hamas does not have the resources to destroy Israel and they only pose a threat as long as the Gaza border isn’t properly guarded. Bringing up “but if hamas was in charge they’d to the same to Israel” is irrelevant, they aren’t in charge and won’t be of Israel. Prior to Zionism Palestinians lived peacefully with Jews for centuries and didn’t even have an army by the way. Radical groups like Hamas only formed because Zionist’s killed thousands of Palestinians, and expelled hundreds of thousands from their homes and locked them in ghettos where they continued to brutally occupy them. You are just making absurd rationalizations for what Israel is doing.