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Actually I think the idea fails. Where did the alien come from? At some point, the answer has to be pure Infinity. Fair enough. I don’t think at this point we are supposed to understand Alien Consciousness or understand why Leo thinks it matters. Obviously that would come with more experience. My point is simply that I’m open to it. If Leo thinks it matters, then I trust his opinion on this at least enough to investigate. I think he has earned that. If he is wrong, then that should also become clear.

It would be cool though, wouldn't it? Lol. I genuinely would enjoy that to be the case. I am also sure he is aware of the fundamental nature of reality, but see I just don't think anything other than that is relevant. Leo discussed infinity in the "other direction". That is why I stopped using DMT because it felt like I could go off down those rabbitholes, but as overwhelming as the states are, and as pathetic as I feel in comparison to the magnitude of the power of these twisted realms, it seems ultimately irrelevant. Smoking Salvia is very alien consciousness, you can't even coinceive that such a thing is possible. DMT can get even worse, especially if you take SSRIs, because you won't get a breakthrough at levels where you should, and instead be left in the most twisted nightmareish state of pure incomprehensible fuckedness. Realistically these drugs can rape you far beyond humanity. I'm not sure any of it ultimately matters though.

@aurum "If by alien supermind you are referring to Leo’s latest insights about Alien Consciousness, I would say we have no idea yet what Leo even means by this. " Whatever the meaning or Referent of this concept/word is , it would just be more form. Even if its a very subtle appearance or formless understanding. Just more arisings. What is it that is aware of all of that? And what happens with that in Deep Sleep? What is that Nothingness that can be unaware of itself if nothing appears, but has the innate potential for sentience? That which can never not be? If that understanding manifests in your mindstream and daily everday-life, I would be interested in how happy and blissful you are on a permanent basis. And how much you would still grasp about the Alien... But then you would probably anyway go looking about this interesting Alien Supermind, but with a big smile on your face. When such a show comes into town.... I would go looking.... ( : PS: I am really curious what kind of stuff will be dragged in from the Multiverse into our little comfy imagined reality in the next decades... Hopefully nothing that is too hungry for some poor souls... ( : But hey, if you look into history, they dragged quite some weird and hungry stuff from god knows which dimensions.... many of the first contactees could later be visited in insane asylums.

That’s true. But I’m pretty sure a marble being played with by a physical alien is not literally what Leo is referring to. Men In Black is obviously a movie. It’s not going to be equivalent to whatever Leo is talking about. You can argue that Alien Consciousness must be irrelevant because it must be preceded by Presence, but I don’t think Leo is overlooking this point. I’m going to give him more credit than that. That would be a very newbie mistake to make.

It is valid because the fact of being precedes appearance. There is nothing to any particular appearance apart from the fact of its presence. Really think about what you refer to when saying "I am conscious of _" (like I am conscious of the sound of this music). In any statement about being conscious of anything, you won't find reference to anything except the fact of presence. Isness. Being. Being conscious of _ (whatever thing, like music) = the presence of _, and that's all it is. Nothing more. It is literally a communication that something is present. That is the all it means. Any perception from thought to sight, is perception. If it's a space alien made of sight, there is nothing to that except the visual phenomena which is the way the alien looks. If you believe you are the alien there might be the alien's thought perceptions. All of this is perceptions. Fundamentally there is nothing to any of that apart from their presence. When the alien appears visually, the visual appearance of the alien is present. When the alien's thoughts appear, the appearance of alien thought is present. Presence is the fundamental reality. The lack of distinction often referenced by gurus is to do with categorical divides. The same categorical divide which makes people do somersaults about life and death, because there is a concept that there will be a categorical shift across a divide from existence, which is thought to be a category containing all sorts of phenomena, and non existence which is conceptualized as eternal nothingness. People envision going into a dreamless sleep and never waking up. Actually, reality can freely and readily bleed between apparently distinct categories because categories are not actual. They are only thought perceptions, which are appearances, and are themselves not default to the fact of presence. There is not nothing and something or existence and non existence, because these are divided categories existent only in the mind of the one who has the idea. And presence precedes all. Even a husk of an idea remaining of category will keep it lingering, much like the idea of entering non existence, there is no necessity for such a thing to ever be actual but as long as even a remnant of an idea that this reality has categories exists, we cannot envision eternal appearances without the opposite. It really has to be seen through that neither is actual otherwise at least some idea of how something ought to be will remain. Because of the fact presence can cause a conceptual idea of what isn't present, as per the other categories above, it might not be a suitable word still. A suitable word would probably be something nonsensical that you make up, because such a term would not have an implied opposite. I know people enjoy the term God, Brahman, and various others. I think they are too humanized. So I would actually recommend making up a nonsense gibberish word instead. Honestly a nonsense word is the best way to destroy categorical thinking and to destroy any idea of traits being must have. Call it googlegoo or something, googlegoo doesn't create in the mind ideas of an opposing type of thing. Anyway... Any conceivable idea is going to consist of perception. So I just do not understand why anyone finds it interesting what reality is aside from the sheer fact of being. It would be cool if our universe were inside a marble being played with by an alien, I would love that to be true. That would still be preceded by the sheer fact of presence, though. There isn't anything else.

It's the anymore part that may give people pause. When I first joined the forum, I was lectured about referring to the theory (rather than the reality) of nonduality. Now it is alien consciousness. Stay tuned for the next episode in Leo's amazing adventure! If people want to live by spiritual proxy and see the journey as entertainment that's fine, but nothing will improve the quality of their lives like direct experience. I am not disparaging Leo. Setting aside that he has to support his family, and that a cascade of self-trumping claims serves this purpose, I feel that in his core Leo is sincere. I am only asking people to be sincere themselves, and use that sincerity to dive deeply into the unchartered territory within.

Who is defining what is and isn’t a hallucination? And how do you know your definition is valid? What if there is no meaningful distinction? If by alien supermind you are referring to Leo’s latest insights about Alien Consciousness, I would say we have no idea yet what Leo even means by this. He has said very little about it, and the little he has said, it seems clear he thinks it’s very important. This is probably true. Possibly there is another path, but it’s hard to say.

@StarStruck I was powerfully awake before Alien Consciousness ;/ Drinking Starbucks while basking on non-dual states. But shit happens. Here we go…

Can we go back to this? Alien consciousness ruined everything.

@Breakingthewall I know who I AM. I know what THIS IS. I don't know any details in between. I don't know how. I don't know WHY. I just know what IT is and I know I will never know for sure anything in between. I don't care whether a dmt entity or Leo or Jesus himself tells me, I won't know for sure and frankly I don't even care. There's no higher awakening because the answers to who I AM and what IT IS will never change. The highest awakening already took place. You will know it's the ultimate - by its nature. I don't care whether I am in a simulation, or I am controlled by aliens, or I am in an alien simulation, or a simulation in a simulation etc, it doesn't change the highest awakening concept of who I am and what it is

The thing is extremely difficult to understand, few months ago he said that he had discovered the alien awakening, and he said the following statements: the God Realizations I had were wrong, because we humans are only shown that since we couldn't bear it anymore (!) 2/ From now on only I'm going to teach the alien awakening. 3/ I see colored sentient aliens doing somersaults and riding in a helicopter, I've never been so happy. 4/ I think I've taken too much psychedelics and every time I close my eyes a portal to another dimension opens... so how do you explain this? I really want Leo to have discovered something new, a revolution! but other times I think... crazy and that's it. but the guy seems grounded and wise.... sometimes. hard to understand!

@Inliytened1 First of all, I'm not Lester ! I dont know who that is or why you guys think I am him Second of all, It's impressive you have become enlightened without drugs. I used a lot of psychedelics and dissociatives and let me tell you the states and feelings you get while tripping are MERELY POINTERS to very complex concepts like infinity, oneness, nothingness, God, everything-ness, etc. These concepts are so abstract and out of this world YOU CANNOT EXPERIENCE THEM. They were not designed to be experienced. They dont exist essentially. Everything you feel on drugs is fake, but can work well as pointers, to open your mind to possibilities. So to all the people who claim they've experienced nothingness, infinity, God on drugs, IT"S ALL FAKE, IT"S ALL A HALLUCINATION. I promise you. Yes, the feeling was metaphorically close to the actual 'concept', but it was mostly what your limited human mind thought infinity or nothingness should feel like. Even if you were close, YOU"RE NOT EVEN CLOSE! Do you get it? Nothingness is not a feeling! Infinity is not a feeling! God damn, it should be obvious, I feel so stupid even saying this to you. They're all hallucinations! Trust me, it requires you to really abuse these substances until you truly realize the meaning of what a hallucination is. They work wonders to open you up, but then if you continue using them you'll slowly enter the schizo realm by thinking you're actually speaking to "aliens" and entities and God or whatever. The drug hits you so hard that the thoughts that pop inside your head seem like they come from an alien entity. Schizo stuff. That's called psychosis, not enlightenment. It's very easy to fall into drugs' trap of "there are more awakening, there are higher and higher awakenings" that Leo seems to have fallen into. It took me a while to realize this. I kept using and using thinking there are higher and higher awakenings when in reality I was going deeper and deeper into complete delusions, total schizo realm. Complete enlightenment is definitely possible without the use of any drug. If it's 'your' destiny to awaken, 'you''ll awaken. I seriously doubt the "AWAKE" state of Leo (awake with capital A , because you see apparently there's a difference between awake and Awake, or AWAKE, who tf knows?), mainly because this post definitely came from a place of arrogance, narcissism and complete disrespect for everybody. If you think you know more than someone just because you DEDICATED YOURSELF MORE AND MADE MORE SACRIFICES AND DID MORE DRUGS:))), you're out of your mind, you're operating under a limiting belief. Whoever says he's the OnLy oNe AwAkE is probably ego tripping. It's understandable

@Leo Gura In your 'What does Awakening feel like?' video you describe your highest awakening as becoming a point in geometry, a perfect singularity. How many times have you become this point? And did you have higher awakenings then this one? Is alien consciousness beyond that?

To be fair you can't expect to "verify" heavy drug trips without heavy drug trips. Staring at your palms for hours like you're on the special ed bus like some people do is never going to be a hallucinogenic trip. Obviously if someone thinks those practices are ever going to be a Salvia trip, they have more than earned their spot on that bus. Hallucinogenic trip occurrences often have no relevance to what reality fundamentally is, though. Who cares if an alien supermind is imagining this galaxy to save its planet from an overfarming of fossil fuels? It has no relevance, since existence precedes the alien. In my mind it is of zero importance. There is only one worthwhile insight, in total ego death like breakthrough with the toad, and who cares about the rest?

They disagree due to having different conceptual frameworks with which to convey a message. I don't see how or why anything matters except what reality fundamentally is. Why does it matter if it's all an alien playing with a marble like Men in Black, when the alien itself is a manifestation of reality. Surely it only matters what the fundamental reality of which the alien is part of actually is, who would care about anything other than that?

@Leo Gura Nobody is going to enter the Highest Awakening you talk about without years of this work, inhuman deconstruction and openmindeness, lot of manual spiritual practises and than awakenings from psychedelics. Can you see your own work holisticly? And lets not forget its almost impossible without having a psychedelic like 5-Meo to enter these insane states of Alien Intelligence you talk about. But nonetheless I believe you know that already and I see the eagerness in you to push trough all of the bullshit coming from the human mind. I see through all of it. And I like it ?

Although I messaged Leo with his name during the conversation, he just ignores me so here are my questions: How is Non-Duality not Awakening when you said that Awakening is realizing that you are God and there that there is no one else but you? I don't see any dualities here. Does separation occur because there is no difference between duality and non-duality since it's a duality that collapses? What makes God Alien Intelligence if God is everywhere? Is the intelligence "Alien" because it transcends human intelligence as the godhead?

You are an alien pretending to be a human in a human body but really you are in a space ship pretending to be on earth. Earth is not a physical thing its inside the simulation. The aliens are our gods but they also have their own God. Which is what you actually are is god pretending to be an alien pretending to be a human . The earth is like a spot where all aliens come together and grow.

Then You Are Human. You Are Also An Alien Kangaroo Rat. You Are Also God. You Are Maximally Everything. You Don't Have To Limit Yourself, Ever. You Simply Don't Have To.

As someone who has tried and actively trying different techniques, I can say that a psychedelic can show you things that meditation can not. A lot of you guys here like to posture as if you know. But you really don't. I personally, do not know what I don't know. But, I do know that different techniques result in different results. I've read many books on meditation, and practice regulary. It's not for awakening. Meditation is not for awakening. It's for increasing your consciousness, mindfulness, inner peace, learning to feel your Qi, and can be used in part with reading self help, self inquiry, contemplation, and life experience to improve life. Or, you can just learn to love sitting, and meditating. Meditation, self inquiry, yoga, Qigong, breathwork, self reflection, etc are all great practices. But, they are not the awakening Leo is speaking about. Categorically different efforts. But, it's not a psychedelic which literally changes the "Brain chemistry" instantly and dramatically. That, psychedelic awakening has shown me things, that I can't put into words but are true. That, frankly make some of your claims that Awakening is this simply buddhist idea of meditation, or even self inquiry is just dumb. God is something so amazing it transcends any human forms of spiritual practice. You are not human. Human spirituality is a dream. Which is fine, it's just not awake. You can't possibly know what another person has awoken to unless you yourself awake to it. That is the nature of studying and practicing awakening. In order to understand it you must do it. If Leo has indeed awoken to some Alien God Consciousness which is what we are, then that is the case. If he hasn't, well how would you know unless you did it? See, you sort of just need to be humble, question all your spiritual, epistemological, metaphysical framings. As new forms of spirituality are developed, practiced and introduced to you, me and the world I think it is healthy to be humble, open minded and also skeptically healthy. Many of you think you know what infinity is, awakening is, what spirituality is, what God is, what meditation is, what self inquiry is, what consciousness is... But you don't. You don't and the more I study, practice, awaken and grow the more this is obvious to me.

Not sure why Leo thinks he's the only person in human history to ever meet a DMT entity. Astral projection is a well known phenomenon, in which one moves between the inner planes of consciousness, meeting thought-forms residing within the collective consciousness. People have been talking to "alien" consciousness for centuries. Modern, more disciplined examples include channeled works like The Law of One, Q'uo, Abraham, Bashar. These experiences are still mind. You can be in a heightened state of Consciousness and still be completely at peace. Or you can dream of being an alien kangaroo ? ? In the end, there's nothing to figure out! There's nothing more to know other than You Are It. You Are Infinite Imagination. ♾️? It's fun to explore the mind. Have fun with It!

There are infinite degrees to "Awakening". All possible awakening that can or can't exist, exists. God's imagination is unlimited and can create any form of conceptual or actual Awakening possible. It can imagine a so call absolute awakening from some human perspective, but it can also imagine infinite ways to go beyond that awakening. Because it's all infinite, and because you can only recall your direct experience of infinity when you are in your human perspective (which is a finite recollection of the experience of the infinite) it is possible for you as a human to continuously experience/remember higher and higher degrees of infinity compared to the amount you had remembered/experienced prior. But as God, all possible awakening and existence are all happening beyond time in infinite ways. You as God can experience all the infinite possibilities of "Spiritual Awakening" that existence can possibly experience and come back as a human retaining only an infinitely small portion of the whole of that experience. You can even consciously know how many infinite lifetimes, existence, or dimensions you've experienced, but you will likely only be able to recall, with detail, an infinite fraction of the whole once you are back to the human perspective. Because otherwise the sheer amount of information will melt your human brain. However, since you are God, you can remove, or at least lessen that limitation if you wish, the amount of infinity you can retain can change through God's will, and if you have a deep desire to continue exploring/experiencing higher degrees of Awakening or infinity, then you shall create that in your direct experience. There is always more, or higher, or beyond a certain awakening to be had because God is infinite, it can just keep creating infinite possibilities to entertain itself. You might continue to experience higher and higher infinity for infinite times/lifetimes/existence until you reach the extreme of the infinite of infinite of infinite... You might then go back to the most limiting perspective of a little human, and in that contrast, you can experience the infinite beauty of yourself. The degree and love you have for yourself that you can create and experience all of yourself. (In human language this experience seems linear in time, but to God, it's all happening outside of time, or in infinite time) You can experience being the "organ" of a higher dimensional being but within yourself containing an infinite universe that contains endless lifeforms and beings, and then zoom into the hair of one of the infinite alien beings, and find that within the hair it contains another infinite existence in a completely different dimension, and so on. You might even remember the non-human sensation of being these higher dimensional beings, or the vibration/language that are non-human. Even though just a finite recollection of the actual. This is very hard to communicate through human language since it's infinitely paradoxical/strange-loopy. Degrees of infinity can only be measured in one's direct experience to their prior direct experiences. Because it's not possible to mathematically measure infinity, or reduce it to human concepts. And the infinite variety of infinite consciousness makes any comparison obsolete. Only you can, through your direct experience, "know" in human terms how awakened you are. And depends on how much of the infinite you can retain as a human, the human perspective can feel so infinitely small and limiting. Most human concepts of awakening refer to the understanding/being of the infinite/God, which is true, but beyond that awakening exists infinite more awakenings. Most humans are satisfied with the first because compared to their human experience, just an infinite fraction of God is enough for them to stop seeking. But some people are more curious than others, so they can continue to explore infinite consciousness and discover new forms of conscious experiences.

@Leo Gura what happens if I'm so conscious right now that you are me that you saying that you're the only one awake means literally nothing to me? Oneness is so potent for me these days that it makes zero sense to call anything enlightenment, god, consciousness, whatever - it's so solipsistic and self embracing and there's nothing outside of it for these terms to mean anything, it just is is is is is is is is is is is. I understand what you're saying by "enlightenment" being an imaginary dream. You are wayyy further ahead in this work, I'm not saying I've reached the end and I've certainly not yet turned into an alien mouse but what am I supposed to do I do with the information that you're giving here if I'm conscious that it's me saying it to myself? Like what's the point of saying it. You're pointing to something both so subtle and so obvious that you shouldn't even talk about it before you release your course. And even in that you will FAIL to capture the nuance required. Meanwhile your lack of nuance and makes people assume you're a narcissist.

I had a huge insight, I finally understood what this scene was indicating: awakening to Alien Consciousness!! ??

today I had a succesful attempt! once again I made it to sleep paralysis during a daytime nap. I knew once I heard that loud dmt ringing noise that it was my chance, I tried a few different exit techniques and boom, there I was high above the couch as if I was reaaally tall standing over myself the room looked alien, very clearly my own but also… different. it’s hard to explain. it only lasted a few seconds, I think it would have lasted longer but I was caught off guard by the alien vibes I was getting and the fact that the ringing was louder this time. In my dream I did dmt out of the vape pen again. Dreaming about it is weird. my unconscious mind is still trying to process that intensity? you can blur the line between asleep and awake through consciousness.