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leo when you talk about alien consciousness. are you talking about the consciousness of an actual alien, like becoming conscious of an alien's perspective ?

level of conscious (0 to 1000) reading of substances, just a joke 986 . >> 5 meo dmt impressions: God, absolute infinity, truth, shock and awe, terror 944 >> 2c-P Bliss, God, infinity, truth, sexuality 912 >> Mescaline Grandfather, safe, sancitiy, God , truth 907 >> 2c-B Introductory, gentle, love, sexuality 860 >> Ayahuasca, Pharmahuasca, and Changa Mother, alien, revelation, God 777 >> LSA and morning glory Agony, suffering, God, absolute infinity 768 >> LSD Cosmic consciousness, God, energy, awakening, confusion 814 >> penicilin Love, safety, protection, freedom from pain 696 >> DMT Extraterestrial, God, truth, beauty, twisted sense of humor, reptilian 686 >> Psilocybin mushrooms and 4 aco dmt Extraterestrial, confusion, infinity, healing, God, twisted sense of humor 677 >> Salvia Extraterestrial, confusion, break through, God , twisted sense of humor 570 >> Marijuana Trickster, God, love, dependence

God's love is strange, its unknown because its indiscriminate. What we call Alien= Strange/Unknown So God's Love is Alien. Humans are actually aliens who forgot they were aliens by constructing an identity called human which claims they are evil. When you awaken to yourself as God you discover that humans are actually aliens and that they naturally are born indiscriminate and are taught discrimination which is referenced as the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. So humans are born alien and taught to be human. This is the truth of Alien Love, Alien Awakening!!!

@Joel3102 I guess it's not always the case that superior technology + alien intelligence + interstellar travel = completely immune to mistakes and getting shot down or something. For example, the 'battle of Los Angeles, the military was shooting up at the sky at flashy UFO lights assuming they were Russian aircraft, managed to damage a craft and it crashed. Apparently they have recovered a dead alien and a living one, but good luck finding out what actually happened and making sense of prior events of the lead up.

Leo’s alien self has landed on earth and he is amongst us.

@LSD-Rumi Psychedelic drugs will be the next VR technology in the future. Look to Andrew R. Gallimore books. (Alien Information Theory, Reality Switch Technologies).

It is not stable for a human. The issue is that being humans IS an epic hallucination, and being an alien a different epic hallucination. And it's hard to combine or mix the two. It's like trying to play two VR games at once. One VR reality undermines the other. To pick a reality.

NyMag picks up the story: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/06/ex-intel-official-government-hiding-alien-tech.html

Planet is doing fine for millions of years and saw worse than humans, it always comeback with more bio diversity after catastrophic events. All these flowers, birds and mammals wasn't posible without great extinctions. We are the technology, human body is the ultimate technology of nature, and it can be catastrophic no suprise here.. I am not interested with alien stuff, it's not in my agenda. I mean good for them. Environmentalism might be a dangerous path, especially if it's backed by pseudo science. It can be used to justify new social and economical structures, anyways that is another story.

The most common theory is that the aliens are basically warning us not to destroy the planet. A similar event happened in Ukraine in 1982 where a glowing orb was seen over a nuclear launch site and nuclear missiles were subsequently disabled. Furthermore, there have been many cases where people recieve environmental messages telepathically from the aliens. This happened, for example, in Zimbabwe 1994, where 62 schoolchildren saw a UFO land on their school. The children then saw two alien beings which telepathically communicated to them, warning them about the potential dangers of technology. I recommend that you listen to the testimonies of the children and teachers and make up your own mind.

Why would aliens do this? We are operating ourselves in time dimensions. Because we have self identity, is it the same for alien(s)? I don't think so. They might chill forever and comeback anytime. If they skipped dinosaurs, they might skip us aswell.

As many of you know, extremely reputable people involved with US intelligence and military have come out testifying that they basically saw alleged alien spacecraft, as well as literally thousands of reports from ordinary people. The reports almost always have the following characteristics when describing the properties of what they saw in the sky: Glowing orb of light in the sky It can do erratic manoeuvres in the sky Makes no noise Ability to disappear / fade out Ability to zoom off in an instant One of the most fascinating cases is when an object with the aforementioned properties were witnessed at a nuclear missile launch facility and 10 nukes were "inexplicably" disabled. Listen to Robert Salas, who operated the launch site, testify: Salas explains what happened more in depth in this interview:

From their point of view, it's you that is the alien. ?

Here's a radical recontextualization....what if humans don't exist...what if what you call human....could be called alien? Maybe humans....are just aliens....who created the concept called human and brainwashed all the aliens with their concept called human. How would that change how you perceive reality?

Alien consciousness

realizing that you are not a being that interacts with reality, but that you are reality. You are not a fish in water, you are water in water, the part and the whole are the same, there is nothing alien to you. you are the being, the total reality, the absolute. you exist in the eternal now and your depth is unfathomable, and the strangest of all: nothing exists outside of you, because you are existence itself. This is so, real, now. as soon as you see it, the control relaxes, and you see it more deeply each time. and the more deeply you see it, the more you realize how useless it is to think about it. Either you are aware of that now, or you are not. the rest is rudimentary software, sticks and stones

@Leo Gura I asked you about this before, but do you think that alien mouse you experience is a stable hallucination? or the kind of hallucination a psychedelic could generate but it is not really a stable state?

Knowing from lower state is prison. Higher state is all-knowing Alien Intelligence

Sure, fully agree. Thanks for highlighting that. ( : A functioning healthy working character floating around in oneself it not a bad thing. I generally like the model of Ken Wilber on these topics (below). Any kind of healthy realization/transcendence should make one more loving and productive. If it kills the functioning character, makes one disfunctional, insane or mean, it is not the healthy version of realization/transcendence, but the sick one. If at all. differentiate, transcend and integrate (the healthy model of growth and transcendence), but disassociate/split off, don't transcend, and of course don't integrate (the sick version of failed growth and transcendence), and, uuum, mucho problemas. Daniel Brown once said: How can one spot deep and mature Realization? With the conduct with which one lives ones life. Yours truly believes that this is the ultimate compass, beyond blabla-bravado, conceptual castles in the sky, the lastest new awakened state of the day, claims of superiority of whatever-kind. Anybody who claims otherwise: Why not? Too difficult? For whom? Selling Water by the River The Meaning of Egolessness – Ken Wilber Ken Wilber: Precisely because the ego, the soul and the Self can all be present simultaneously, we can better understand the real meaning of egolessness, Egolessness-awaken - a notion that has caused an inordinate amount of confusion. But egolessness does not mean the absence of a functional self (that’s a psychotic, not a sage); it means that one is no longer exclusively identified with that self. One of the many reasons we have trouble with the notion of egoless is that people want their egoless sages to fulfill all their fantasies of saintly or spiritual, which usually means dead from the neck down, without fleshy wants or desires, gently smiling all the time. All of the things that people typically have trouble with money, food, sex, relationships, desire they want their saints to be without. Egoless sages who are above all that is what people want. Talking heads is what they want. Religion, they believe, will simply get rid of all baser instincts, drives and relationships, and hence they look to religion, not for advice on how to live life with enthusiasm, but on how to avoid it, repress it, deny it, escape it. In other words, the typical person wants the spiritual sage to be less than a person, somehow devoid of all the messy, juicy, complex, pulsating, desiring, urging forces that drive most human beings. We expect our sages to be an absence of all that drives us! All the things that frighten us, confuse us, torment us, confound us: we want our sages to be untouched by them altogether. And that absence, that vacancy, that less than personal, is what we often mean by egoless. But egoless does not mean less than personal, it means more than personal. Not personal minus, but personal plus all the normal personal qualities, plus some transpersonal ones. Think of the great yogis, saints and sages from Moses to Christ to Padmasambhava. They were not feeble-mannered milquetoasts, but fierce movers and shakers from bullwhips in the Temple to subduing entire countries. They rattled the world on its own terms, not in some pie-in-the-sky piety; many of them instigated massive social revolutions that have continued for thousands of years. And they did so not because they avoided the physical, emotional and mental dimensions of humanness and the ego that is their vehicle, but because they engaged them with a drive and intensity that shook the world to its very foundations. No doubt, they were also plugged into the soul (deeper psychic) and spirit (formless Self) the ultimate source of their power but they expressed that power, and gave it concrete results, precisely because they dramatically engaged the lower dimensions through which that power could speak in terms that could be heard by all. These great movers and shakers were not small egos; they were, in the very best sense of the term, big egos, precisely because the ego (the functional vehicle of the gross realm) can and does exist alongside the soul (the vehicle of the subtle) and the Self (vehicle of the causal). To the extent these great teachers moved the gross realm, they did so with their egos, because the ego is the functional vehicle of that realm. They were not, however, identified merely with their egos (that’s a narcissist), they simply found their egos plugged into a radiant Kosmic source. The great yogis, saints and sages accomplished so much precisely because they were not timid little toadies but great big egos, plugged into the dynamic Ground and Goal of the Kosmos itself, plugged into their own higher Self, alive to the pure atman (the pure I–I) that is one with Brahman; they opened their mouths and the world trembled, fell to its knees, and confronted its radiant God. Saint Teresa was a great contemplative? Yes, and Saint Teresa is the only woman ever to have reformed an entire Catholic monastic tradition (think about it). Gautama Buddha shook India to its foundations. Rumi, Plotinus, Bodhidharma, Lady Tsogyal, Lao Tzu, Plato, the Bal Shem Tov these men and women started revolutions in the gross realm that lasted hundreds, sometimes thousands, of years, something neither Marx nor Lenin nor Locke nor Jefferson can yet claim. And they did not do so because they were dead from the neck down. No, they were monumentally, gloriously, divinely big egos, plugged into a deeper psychic, which was plugged straight into God. There is certainly a type of truth to the notion of transcending ego : it doesn’t mean destroy the ego, it means plug it into something bigger. (As Nagarjuna put it, in the relative world, atman is real; in the absolute, neither atman nor anatman is real. Thus, in neither case is anatta a correct description of reality.) The small ego does not evaporate; it remains as the functional center of activity in the conventional realm. As I said, to lose that ego is to become a psychotic, not a sage. Transcending the ego thus actually means to transcend but include the ego in a deeper and higher embrace, first in the soul or deeper psychic, then with the Witness or primordial Self, then with each previous stage taken up, enfolded, included and embraced in the radiance of One Taste. And that means we do not get rid of the small ego, but rather, we inhabit it fully, live it with verve, use it as the necessary vehicle through which higher truths are communicated. Soul and Spirit include body, emotions and mind; they do not erase them. Put bluntly, the ego is not an obstruction to Spirit, but a radiant manifestation of Spirit. All Forms are not other than Emptiness, including the form of the ego. It is not necessary to get rid of the ego, but simply to live it with a certain exuberance. When identification spills out of the ego and into the Kosmos at large, the ego discovers that the individual atman is in fact all of a piece with Brahman. The big Self is indeed no small ego, and thus, to the extent you are stuck in your small ego, a death and transcendence is required. Narcissists are simply people whose egos are not yet big enough to embrace the entire Kosmos, and so they try to be central to the Kosmos instead. But we do not want our sages to have big egos; we do not even want them to display a manifest dimension at all. Anytime a sage displays humanness in regard to money, food, sex, relationships we are shocked, shocked, because we are planning to escape life altogether, not live it, and the sage who lives life offends us. We want out, we want to ascend, we want to escape, and the sage who engages life with gusto, lives it to the hilt, grabs each wave of life and surfs it to the end this deeply, profoundly disturbs us, frightens us, because it means that we, too, might have to engage life, with gusto, on all levels, and not merely escape it in a cloud of luminous ether. We do not want our sages to have bodies, egos, drives, vitality, sex, money, relationships, or life, because those are what habitually torture us, and we want out. We do not want to surf the waves of life, we want the waves to go away. We want vaporware spirituality. The integral sage, the nondual sage, is here to show us otherwise. Known generally as tantric, these sages insist on transcending life by living it. They insist on finding release by engagement, finding nirvana in the midst of samsara, finding total liberation by complete immersion. They enter with awareness the nine rings of hell, for nowhere else are the nine heavens found. Nothing is alien to them, for there is nothing that is not One Taste. Indeed, the whole point is to be fully at home in the body and its desires, the mind and its ideas, the spirit and its light. To embrace them fully, evenly, simultaneously, since all are equally gestures of the One and Only Taste. To inhabit lust and watch it play; to enter ideas and follow their brilliance; to be swallowed by Spirit and awaken to a glory that time forgot to name. Body and mind and spirit, all contained, equally contained, in the ever-present awareness that grounds the entire display. In the stillness of the night, the Goddess whispers. In the brightness of the day, dear God roars. Life pulses, mind imagines, emotions wave, thoughts wander. What are all these but the endless movements of One Taste, forever at play with its own gestures, whispering quietly to all who would listen: is this not you yourself? When the thunder roars, do you not hear your Self? When the lightning cracks, do you not see your Self? When clouds float quietly across the sky, is this not your very own limitless Being, waving back at you?

Yes, probably the Alien faction without a sense of style & proportion. They gotta have some of these characters too! And who did that over Nuremberg back in the day 1561? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1561_celestial_phenomenon_over_Nuremberg What posing! No style & decency. For more funny playing with humans: Visionary: The Mysterious Origins of Human Consciousness: the Definitive Edition of Supernatural, Hancock Selling Water by the River

@Water by the River ? Omg... can't leave the family, huh? Yeah, I should have known. That's what happens if you join a cult, lol. Regarding the topic, it's true that kicking down the entrance door of Alien castle like that without even knocking first and waiting for a "Come in!" does seem a bit rude. Our alien neighbors evidently have much more refined manners than we do... I mean, they've really been babystepping their first contact so far, haven't they? A brief UFO sighting here, a little crop circle there... maybe the pyramids were a bit on the nose, but nobody's perfect, right? Anyway, I have it on good authority that it's not going to take much longer now until they show up on our doorstep with a gift basket in their green hands. The question is, are we going to be ready for them? I guess we'll find out!

Ready not, here we come! ... whaddayathink? Are the Aliens ready for some visits from primitive humans knocking at their door? Is that good for the welfare & health of the Alien dominion, or will they die laughing when "primitive us" pop up in their realms on intravenous DMT? The "other" Alien Consciousness course, by Hancock/Strassman/Gallimore. Sure more focused on the "other" Alien itself and not on understanding Reality/God itself. But hey: Doesn't the Alien on the picture look kinda cute? Interesting times for sure! Water by the River PS: @Bazooka Jesus In case you feel really "pushed out of your original professional calling, did you read that with the "intravenous DMT"? Aliens? Volunteers? Although yours truly will always consider himself not at all able to follow in the impressive jester-footsteps you luckily continue to leave us till this day, and so can't understand how the one-and-only unreplaceable Bazooka Jesus can even have such thoughts arising in his mindstream...

ok, here comes the take of yours truly. Warning: Bumpy conceptual ride ahead! All of them: concepts, used with differing meaning in different concepts. Not any kind of Absolute Truth, but concepts appearing in IT. Below is the take of yours truly on the most common usage. Void: Anything from a state (causal, void state) to Ultimate Reality. But is better used as a state description Truth: Normally pointer to Absolute Reality. Absolute Reality: Same. Absolute Solipsism: Trying to think ones way via conceptual thinking to the Absolute Reality which is infinite, and which can mostly only be described in negative terms, since any positive description would limit it. Doing the Universal Mind/Infinite Consciousness thing of Huang-Po (see last post) is ok. But confusing this Impersonal Infinite Consciousness with a mind-stream that is not fully awakened, aka where a separate self confuses itself with Ultimate Reality, is, uh, not so smart. Biggest Problem: Proponents of that normally don't have awakened/enlightened states in daily life. Biggest Risk: Narcicissm, not Ego-death but Cosmic-Ego. Identifying separate self or any kind of identity/self with Totality. Usefulness for the Path to the Mountain Summit/Nothingness/Absolute: Shooting ones knee with a gun and then trying to start walking and proclaiming how fast one got already on the mountain summit while limping in the valley Alien Consciousness: Some understanding on the form/manifestation side of Infinite Consciousness, albeit much more than a human is capable off in non-tripping-states, on a very high level. Better yet, ask the creator of that concept. Yours truly has no intelectual ownership on it. Danger: Proclaiming that as more important than Full Enlightenment, or letting go of the separate-self illusions that cover ones Deep Identity as Impersonal Nothingness/Infinite Consciousness/Absolute Reality, in which every appearance/thougt/self-concept-arising can only arise as Illusion/Dream/Mirage. Leads apparently to chasing the next Awakening, n+1. And not being quite happy on a permanent basis. God Realization anything from Full Enlightenment to a tool to bash any form of Awakening/Enlightenment one doesn't like. Depens on the usage and author using that term. For the bashing-anything-else-version of it, clear definitions are usually not given. Could sound like Full Enlightenment if really spelled out explicitely. No-Self tricky term. In its highest meaning: the final death/transcedence of each and any separate self arising. True No-Self. can be also be used for anything from no-Ego, no-Person, like opaque witness or transparent witness. should only be used for Pure Impersonal Nothingness/Impersonal Infinite Consciousness to avoid confusions. The most interesting conept/pointer would be Full Enlightenment. For that, see my last posts. Selling Water by the River

Always deeper. I was contemplating about LEVELS of TRUTH because here in the forum we have different names but I assume that each name describes less/more profound degrees of TRUTH: Void. TRUTH. Absolute TRUTH. Absolute Solipsism. Alien Consciousness. God-Realization. Enlightenment. No-Self. If anyone can describe the differences or point to a teaching that talks about that, I’ll appreciate ?

Lol. dreams are all the same fundamentally, the very definition is to FORGET WHAT YOU ARE. If you still desire to be "asleep" it means you fundamentally have NOT accepted your FULL SELF because your full self is so glorious, conscious, and LOVING how can you not accept it if you found it. And it is alien to dream world. If you haven't figured that out yet you still got work to do or some more suffering probably to go through basically. maybe another life or another 100 one and you will PERMANENTLY wake up from ALL DREAMS coz you are tired of BULLSHIT and TININESS. (I do make an exception for "divine purpose" however as noted before, this means you return already as awake as you can be). I mean no harm, this is actually from a loving place coz nobody is saying it, so I have to. It's the least popular opinion here but I still gotta say it. This is seriously what I see. I have reached the "highest floor" and it's pretty nice up here. It's all good though, you'll all eventually make it back, matter of time. I will welcome you with open arms when you decide to return for real.