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				Consilience replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Razard86 Maybe I misinterpreted what you were describing but if the bliss is gone now, or if the bliss was a qualitative experience in any way shape or form, it’s not your true nature. And your true nature was what you were talking about. - 
	
	
				Razard86 replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Its interesting how you just said some stuff that didn't pertain to what I said. I see alot of this on the forums. Again when my attachment was loosed from my body, my natural state was bliss, esctasy, overwhelming. It was non-stop, in fact it started to become painful and too much. As my attachment started to tighten back to my body, because my body had healed I lost access to this state. I was in this state for 2 weeks. So it wasn't transitory and what it showed was the body blocks you from your natural state of blissful awareness. This bliss is orgasmic as well and it never stops. It just keeps going. But you didn't notice that...because you didn't read to comprehend and just read to respond. So you responded...to what wasn't there. - 
	
	
				TheAlchemist replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Do you see it as equally true that fundamentally our "true nature" is also all blissful feelings, mind states and everything related to perception/experience/qualia? I see how the feeling of bliss is not the same as recognizing ones true nature, but fundamentally it seems to me that all those feelings are appearances in and as true nature. - 
	
	
				Consilience replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
If the bliss you discovered is transitory, it is not the bliss Rupert is talking about when he describes our true nature as bliss. Any blissful feelings, mind states, or anything related to perception/experience/qualia is not our true nature. Yet what you’re describing is certainly possible as a default *state* through rigorous practice, but don’t confuse this with your true nature. - 
	
	
				Dino D replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
To clear your traumas-yes... and to retain 4 your sins... confess them, apologize, repair the damage if possible... no need to be religious (but yes we could), I think sins like traumas are blocked energies, and the way to release them from your conscience is as described... many sins are basically also just lies, so not the truth, to be in peace and bliss you need brutal honesty and truth... - 
	Overall this was a beautiful trip PRE-TRIP I was actually pretty nervous the day before I tripped. I wasn't sure if it was the right decision but ultimately I made the decision and it was definitely the correct one THOUGHTS DURING THE TRIP < > = post trip elaboration 10:30am: ate 2g dried mushrooms 10:39: I have a lot to offer. I love who I am. I am a gift to the world 10:53: head feels... lighter? Like I can tell something is different. Slight urge to throw up, but not really 11:05: it's a gradual onset. Right now everything feels like... slow a bit. I sort of saw the patterns on my bed moving a bit. And I just saw the letters on this piece of paper flowing back and forth like grass in the wind. My body feels a bit weak. I think because I need to eat. 11:14: It's boredom but I have to create the interest. What am I passionate about? Also I am a bit sleepy. Low energy right now. there's nothing I feel like doing. What do I do? Sleep lmao. love In spite of how I feel, I have to keep going I'm much more asleep <metaphysical sense> than I thought **Life is literally whatever you make it <I then began to dance to some music I put on> 11:27: who is in control? continue to read but don't forget to stay in touch with whatever this is haha <idk what I was saying here> What is reality? I feel like this psychedelic is exposing me because I say I'm into personal development but I have nothing to show for it. What do I need to do? **I feel like I've been trying to put off an image to people, instead of being me 11:37: I get tempted to look at spiritual video <I wanted to watch one of Leo's videos I think> I see why not everybody has a deep trip every time they take mushrooms. It's because its literally whatever you make it. If you don't have that intent then the mushrooms won't show you 12:40pm: Life feels like a story that I'm creating but I have no idea how deep the story goes 12:50: sat at piano <I just played one note, and it was so magical, it felt like being a child again but even better> 12:59: I have the urge to talk to other people 1:00: Toilets are funny 1:04: Most I see why mushrooms are twisty <I can't explain it in words, but it almost felt like I was going into an infinite loop> **There's a contour to the mushrooms that's so beautiful. Like they could have been created any other way but they weren't I feel like I've been slackin <with personal development> Who am I? almost don't even <incomplete sentence> What is existence? **Failure is beautiful 1:22: time slows. I don't know shit <began entering profound state of not-knowing, but didn't quite get there> What is art? How deep does art go? 1:28: My arms and legs feel so funny. I could sit here and question everything 1:30: What's the point of life?* Life feels very magical rn. These candles also smell really good. **I need to trip more often. Not cause it feels good but I want to understand wtf is going on. I created other people?? Sounds crazy af What is time? <I then stared at the time, and it changed from 1:47 --> 1:48, but time didn't... move? I kind of felt the illusion of time but didn't go too deep into it> What is confidence? I'm looking at it. INSIGHTS & THOUGHTS COMING DOWN 1. I am creating reality 2. I contemplated about what confidence is too. And almost immediately I got my answer. I’m looking at it. Confidence is whatever you see in front of you. If it has the will to exist, it is confident. So what this means is that in order to be more confident, you just have to be it. You can't have any shame either from 3. During the come down of the trip, I felt like a little stressed actually because... life is constantly unfolding. It’s like we are in an infinitely unraveling story, and I want the story to be perfect. But it’s not perfect. And that’s ok! In fact, it’s precisely the imperfection that makes it perfect. Very counterintuitive. 4. I’ll admit it is nice to be back in the dream. I notice I adopted this negative connotation to “life as a dream,” like that’s a bad thing. Like coming back down from the trip is a bad thing or something, and I think that created a little anxiety and stress on my come down. But this is where half of the work is, at the human-level of consciousness. Whether it is a dream or not, why does that even matter? It’s all there is. Speaking of the come down, I noticed my vision was a little bit weird, as if I was looking at a computer all day and I could still see the lines. 5. One thing the psychedelics taught me is that I love story telling. Another facet to my life purpose. The only thing is how do I want to tell stories? Side note also I made it important not to look at my computer during the trip, but consequently I only wrote things down with pen and paper, which is much slower than typing. Painfully slow. So I did miss having that. I think text time I will allow myself to type so I can get my thoughts down faster. 6. Leo I applaud you for your work here. I had a conversation after the trip with one of my friends, and trying to communicate this stuff with others is so challenging, but you’ve come as close as anyone I’ve ever seen to articulating it so well. Like psychedelics makes me admire your work even more, and I’ve been following you for 6 years. It’s very inspiring. During my trip I thought about your blogpost, the only question is why, the only answer is love. Life should just end right there ahaha but of course it doesn’t. That’s the short answer, and everything in life is just the long answer to the question, but ultimately it always goes back to love. 7. Oddly enough, I just got a sex insight. I have a girlfriend, and in the bedroom I could be doing a lot more teasing and foreplay. We tend to just get right to it, and I think that’s why it’s been feeling a little boring or “vanilla”. 8. Also I realized in my interactions with people, I tend to approach it from the perspective that there is always something to learn from the other person. Good, right? Well, I see how it can backfire because that can make it seem like the other person holds all the value, and I completely ignore the value that I can provide the other person. I think this has led to me undermining or completely neglecting the value that I can provide to others. I hold value that I am keeping from other people by not sharing it with others. PS: God is the ultimate jokster, and I love God for it Leo’s video, Humanity is the bullshitting animal, is spot on 9. Also, reality is so amazing. I’m honestly just so happy to have “experienced” everything I have so far on psychedelics. Everything else from here is like icing on the cake for me. I feel a lot of bliss. 10. I was also aware of something else. Psychedelics usually only last 3-6 hours. But I was aware that it could literally last for infinity if I wanted it to. The 3-6 hours is just a safety net for us so that we don’t go mad. It’s literally just an excuse we created but a wise excuse. Then I thought about it. Is the point of taking more and more psychedelics to stretch our capacity to be in that higher state of consciousness for longer, while also maintaining survival? So in other words, psychedelics is the bridge between higher consciousness and baseline human survival consciousness, and the goal is to slowly strengthen the bridge so that we can come from a more loving place in mundane life? Not sure if that makes sense but I like the analogy of psychedelics being a bridge between God and humans, and the more psychedelics you take (with the right intentions of course), it slowly blurs the boundary between God and Human, until finally it comes together. I haven’t experienced that yet, but I am very open to the experience. I’m in no rush to see God but am very excited at the thought of it 11. Also language. I think it’s interesting how much language has to do with understanding reality. I think a big part of Leo’s work is mastering language, and being able to use the right words in order to convey all the advanced topics, but of course the words themselves are second order to the actual thing that is being talked about. So I wonder how the future of humanity will deal with that issue, what kind of new language could emerge in order to integrate higher consciousness? 12. I had the intention “to be creative & to learn how to love myself and others more.” But in retrospect, the secret intention I had was to learn “how am I creating reality?” and I definitely got a little taste of it. But I have yet to go fully down that rabbit hole. TAKEAWAYS FOR FUTURE TRIPS > I think if I take 2.5, I will be biting off more than I can chew. I think I want to just take 1.5 or 2 again and see the similarities/differences in experience before I move up to 2.5g. Also I think I will need a more grounded, genuine intention before I up the dose so I have a strong anchor to fall on if I need it. > Also I realized not to underestimate the power of a good affirmation. I am going to start saying affirmations every day because something I became aware of during the psychedelic is the link between your thoughts and reality, namely how thoughts literally manifest within reality. Given time (and other factors im not aware of currenlty). I don’t understand the full depths of this yet but the connection is definitely there. Simply changing your thoughts can change the whole trajectory of one’s life. And an easy way to do that with little investment is saying affirmations everyday, but actually believing it when you say it, not just saying it mechanically like a robot. And if you don’t believe it, you gotta just fake it til you make it, and eventually you will start to believe it, then it will become your reality. > Also I did this trip solo, and I think I like to keep it that way. Having other people really is distracting and counterproductive to the experience. Unless said person is very aligned with you in some way. Like the only person I would want to do psychedelics with is my girlfriend, I think that would be a beautiful experience, and on a lower dose like 1g or 1.5 at the most. There’s no need to go higher than that. I’m not gonna be questioning reality too deeply with her, more so just basking in it so I wouldn’t want the dose to be too high. > I need to read more books, and also I have been too conservative with psychedelics. I have been sort of protecting the experience a lot if that makes sense, but I am ready to do psychedelics a little more often, and I am still going to be wise when deciding when I do them. But I think it would be beneficial for me to take a psychedelic again (1.5g most likely) in maybe one month, instead of waiting 3 or more months. > I need to create more magic in my life. I have to insert the magic into life myself though, I can't expect life to hand me magical shit on a silver platter
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	One way to synthesize the two outlooks of stay discontent (or improvement) and be content (or acceptance) is to acknowledge and improve imperfection while letting go of suffering and appreciating enjoyment, basically to practice both To embody the improvement aspect, you acknowledge the discontent in your experience not because you force yourself to be discontent, but because there always exists imperfection. Whether its imperfection in the level of your state of consciousness (which can go infinitely high), an imperfection in the level of your fulfillment (which can go infinitely high) or imperfection in the level of your pleasure (which can go infinitely high). Unless you have absolutely everything you want, meaning you're, at minimum, living in beyond infinite perfect bliss, then you aren't even at level 0 in the infinite race, and there exists imperfection for you. Even if you reach relative, total, complete perfection, you aren't at absolutely infinite perfection. That would be like getting a 100% on an exam, while you still have infinite more exams, courses, and degrees to go. The grade is always incomplete in this university of perfection. So continuously advance in your never-ending journey toward perfection. To embody the acceptance aspect, you let go of suffering in your experience, and appreciate enjoyment in your experience. You don't force yourself to be unhappy due to the present suffering existing and absent enjoyment, but you make best with what you got, the value already in your experience. Without letting go of suffering, you are needlessly perpetuating your own pain. Without appreciating enjoyment, you are needlessly letting your pleasure go to waste. You let go and appreciate, suffering and enjoyment, respectively.
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				Devin replied to Devin's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I don't know if you want it from me but I'll offer you my experience on some of the things you're working on since you're helping me. This is my experience not my advice, I don't believe in following advice, I try to listen to my intuition. Unhealthy stuff, discipline, shame(seems tied to the former) What works for me is just going with it, it gets worse but it seems to teach you what you need to learn. The willpower thing for me prolongs the underlying issue, letting go of the belief(healthy, production, shame) happens when I let it hit me hard, sometimes going to rock bottom, then I'm no longer afraid of health, production, shame. When you're in it deep and then you get a glimmer of joy or bliss popping up spontaneously, it's like the beliefs just fall off like chains. You were the one chaining yourself to health and as counterintuitive as it seems, that causes you to be unhealthy. It seems like a self correcting mechanism in us for positive beliefs, yes they're positive and helpful in society, but they are still beliefs, and all beliefs are limiting. - 
	Depression is the superlative case of repression. Repression = pushing away (emotional) pain. With each bit of pain that is repressed, a bit of your wholeness and sense of meaning and authentic desire goes with it. Therefore when there is too much to repress, you lose most of the sense of meaning and desire that is inherent to being an alive human. The way out of depression is to choose to feel more of what is repressed, thereby lifting the depression. Some depressed people are actually really angry, but unable to cope with that and process that fully, so hence they are depressed. Other common feelings are sadness, grief and hopelessness. The less you push these away, the more you will feel. The more you feel, the more emotional pain you feel, but also the less depressed you are. And after feeling the pain, bliss and insight follows. That's not to say that you can just make that decision from any situation. Repression is there for a reason. Are you currently in a condition to handle emotional pain? Is your life stable? Do you have the time, space and guidance needed? If not, then the first thing to do is to go get that. Set your life up in a way that makes it possible to process some repressed feelings in a safe way. If that means working a day less at your job, do that. If it means temporarily removing yourself from a toxic family system that doesn't accept and hold space for your feelings, cutting off contact and going to live on a friend's couch, do that. If it means getting a therapist, coach or mentor, do that. If it means reaching out to a friend even though it's hard, do that.
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	Assuming Buddha and Christ actually existed, I agree totally. My issue is that it is really easy to misunderstand the Buddha. If you interpret him as the goal being to eliminating all suffering, then you also eliminate all that is good about life as a natural consequence. That is what I was saying he was wrong about if in fact he meant it in the way I interpreted it. All I am saying is that I realized for myself is that it is okay to feel other emotions besides happiness. It is okay to let yourself feel frustrated when you don’t perform your best. In fact, I suggest that being happy with a poor performance in life is a reinforcer to repeat bad performances. If you are happy doing drugs, you will continue to do them, but if you are mad at yourself for doing them, that could be what you need to bring about a change in you. People can easily turn Buddhism into a trap where they want to let go of all their attachments, desires, and dreams, and strive to have no emotion other than happiness, contentment, and bliss. But the issue is that the Buddha’s teachings on attachment for instance and suffering, don’t seem to me like they apply to the majority of people today. I hear a lot of people say to me that if they followed the Buddha, they wouldn’t care, and that hit me because I realized that the reason why I studied philosophy, and why I excelled at all the things I excelled at were because I cared. I still loved myself and was loved what I did, but my perfectionism showed how much I cared about being good at the skills I cared about. Maybe this is my misunderstanding of Buddha’s teachings and if so, I guarantee I am not alone. For instance, I do agree with Buddha about striving to live in the Now, but the thing is that if you go all the way with any teaching, it will stunt you and become a trap. Living in the Now is always a reality for you whether you are thinking about future or not. All teachings need nuance. Meditation is good, but like I said, at some point you gotta get off the mat and learn how to meditate when you are in the moment of suffering. Suffering is eliminated not by avoiding it and emotional fakery and toxic positivity, but it is rather “eliminated” when you no longer perceive suffering as suffering. That is my take on it at this point anyways. I appreciate your all’s thoughts and feedback so far.
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	His insight is valuable. In my younger years between 15-25 years old this mindset helped me out a lot. It helped me prove my value to myself and deal with certain dark moments in my life. So its an admirable mindset to seek to achieve and if someone wants to take this path I won't fault them. I just know in the end that is not where happiness comes from, joy, bliss, etc. The key to joy, bliss, etc, comes from within. I'm satisfied right now in the present moment. If you aren't satisfied you are looking in the wrong direction. I’ve often said that I wish people could realize all their dreams and wealth and fame, so that they could see that it’s not where they’re gonna find their sense of completion. Like many of you, I was concerned about going out into the world and doing something bigger than myself, until someone smarter than myself made me realize that there is nothing bigger than myself. My soul is not contained within the limits of my body, my body is contained within the limitlessness of my soul. - Jim Carey
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	Here’s an insight I just had on a run and it’s this. If you aren’t frustrated with yourself for being mediocre then you’re doing it wrong. If you are happy with being mediocre then you are reinforcing mediocrity in your life. The Buddha is wrong the goal is not to eliminate suffering, it is to learn how to bear it with it and use it to grow yourself to success. Think about it if you were completely happy and didn’t suffer and weren’t frustrated with being mediocre then you would be mediocre. You will become whatever you are content with. If you are satisfied with playing video games all day and don’t feel anything wrong with that, then you will never level up. Without suffering there could be no growth and no success. Think of any person you think is highly developed. David Goggins, Sadhguru, Alan Watts, Leo Gura, Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, or whoever. The common theme is they are all not content with being mediocre. If they followed the teachings of Buddha or Christ to be satisfied with themselves, then they would have never leveled up in life. This comes from my personal experience. I excel at anything I really care about whether that’s tennis, trumpet, or whatever. With caring comes suffering. But suffering is good. Attachment is good. It is good to be attached to things that deeply matter such as your vision for your life. If I followed the Buddha, I would have never excelled at anything. Yes, I got mad at myself for failure, yes I suffered, but what is a good life without suffering? It’s counterintuitive. The good life isn’t infinite bliss, it is falling in love with life, which means to set challenges for yourself, fail, and to suffer. The good life is falling in love with suffering, not trying to get rid of it. That’s the key point. I could not be attached, not care about my results, but the fact is, you aren’t going to enjoy your life if you don’t care about it or the results. Your life is always happening now. Fall in love with the Now always because that is where you live, but that is no excuse to not care, not plan, and not have a vision. It is paradox to be in the Now while also being a Visionary. You have to know the right balance for you to be at your 100%. If you aren’t at 100%, it is okay to not be satisfied. Always love yourself, but never be satisfied if you aren’t living up to your fullest. That is also a paradox as well. How do I love myself if you are telling me to not be satisfied with myself for being mediocre? Because the highest love you can give yourself is your fullest creative potential. Being dissatisfied and angry is good because that is a sign that you are acknowledging some area of your life is unacceptable to you. That is good. If you are satisfied doing drugs then you will never stop doing them. Real change comes with you being real to yourself. At some point you have to admit that your poison is unacceptable. Your highest love is to not be satisfied with everything in your life (particular that which doesn’t serve you; mediocrity), it is rather to strive to be satisfied with yourself now with a vision to be in alignment with your higher-self. Hope this is helpful. This was a big trap for me. It is easy to take teachings to limit your growth. The key takeaway is to allow yourself to be angry with things that don’t go your way. If you are a happy Buddha with everything, then you are signaling to the Universe that you are also okay with being mediocre. You will manifest what you accept. Contemplate what improvement really means and entails. If I am satisfied with how fast I run, then can you see how that would hinder me from improving? Improvement requires a big change in your mentality to always strive to get better. There is no finish line. Whatever you are satisfied with, that is what you’ll get.
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				Carl-Richard replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Bliss happens as a result of releasing resistance (e.g. dropping attachments and clearing trauma), and peace is when you stabilize in that state. So peace is inherently blissful, but only compared to a non-peaceful state (experiences are experienced through contrast). - 
	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIZfqWAPrHg Now I had a near death experience (not like how most other NDE's mine was basically a loose attachment to my body) which the result lasted for 2 weeks. That along with a kundalini awakening showed me that your true nature in the present is Blissful. But now that my attachment to my body has become strong again (what we would consider normal existence) when I focus on the now I feel peace, but the blissful feeling that is naturally generated is no longer felt. Now I can think or focus on loving thoughts and gratitude and feel momentary bliss, but my prior experience was that my natural feeling without those actions was blissful. So while I hear what Spira is saying, most people aren't looking for that peace, they want that bliss. The only way it seems to me to attain that as a natural state is to clear through your traumas, so the blockages in the body can open up and you can attain that state as a default state. Until then....you will only feel peace. Peace isn't bad but it doesn't compare to bliss.
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	@Federico del pueblo thanks for the insights. I do try to meditate it through sometimes but I always just feel so drained after. I’ve even had nights where my heart is fully open and I just go spread love throughout the whole club in my own way. And I can’t sustain it for more than a night. @Leo Gura I think you’re right. Day game is a better option. I actually don’t want to give up pick up because I love women and sex. It’s just the club and alcohol scene that I’m getting sick of. So many douche bags. @Aleister Crowleyy I kinda feel like the most conscious sages really don’t get any pussy…but I think they’re just so melted into bliss and God that it doesn’t matter. It’s like they’re getting blown 24/7
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	I am high on bliss. Blessed home. Live, Laugh, Love. Honor and togetherness. As One Being in One Heart.
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	@Son of leo Depression is the superlative case of repression. Repression = pushing away (emotional) pain. With each bit of pain that is repressed, a bit of your wholeness and sense of meaning and authentic desire goes with it. Therefore when there is too much to repress, you lose most of the sense of meaning and desire that is inherent to being an alive human. The way out of depression is to choose to feel more of what is repressed, thereby lifting the depression. Some depressed people are actually really angry, but unable to cope with that and process that fully, so hence they are depressed. Other common feelings are sadness, grief and hopelessness. The less you push these away, the more you will feel. The more you feel, the more emotional pain you feel, but also the less depressed you are. And after feeling the pain, bliss and insight follows. That's not to say that you can just make that decision from any situation. Repression is there for a reason. Are you currently in a condition to handle emotional pain? Is your life stable? Do you have the time, space and guidance needed? If not, then the first thing to do is to go get that. Set your life up in a way that makes it possible to process some repressed feelings in a safe way. If that means working a day less at your job, do that. If it means temporarily removing yourself from a toxic family system that doesn't accept and hold space for your feelings, cutting off contact and going to live on a friend's couch, do that. If it means getting a therapist, coach or mentor, do that. If it means reaching out to a friend even though it's hard, do that.
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	Lysergic bliss - of montreal
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	Usually. People with lower IQs are given less opportunities to move up the spiral in a way, poverty etc. I guess suffering from having a low IQ can move you up. But are you suffering? Ignorance is bliss. Moving up the spiral equates to abundance and some suffering, something high IQ people have.
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	I once had such an intense DMT trip that my friend in the same room felt it. He fell into a kind of trance, and when I came back eh also snapped out of it and said "Dude what did you just do?" According to him there were waves of energy and bliss pouring off of me and he couldn't do anything except sit and pray and receive it. Also: https://youtu.be/HzcA-bcR4LI
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				AtheisticNonduality replied to Danioover9000's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
I don't know completely. The passage about involuntary bliss in that book is very interesting. And the individuality of the character makes perfect sense to me. He is very funny; I love the tightrope walk where the clown murders the acrobat. But there's something sad about it all because Nietzsche must have been a very miserable person, being so alone philosophically "profoundly" in the time and place he was at, likely nobody understanding his ideas as clearly as himself and him suffering from severe health issues. He said in that book Jesus was immature and would have needed more time alive to reach proper clarity, so it makes me wonder what Nietzsche would have ended up as if he survived. Leo's issues with health also would correlate with Nietzsche's, though Nietzsche's was worse, it seems. And Leo hasn't gone insane and institutionalized yet! Or rather, he's just a freely roaming insane person in Las Vegas! Aurobindo is my favorite philosopher. - 
	
	
				RMQualtrough replied to CuriousityIsKey's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Breakingthewall The thing that frightens me most is "infinite bliss" or eternal love etc. It struck me the other day, and it caused great distress... I don't want to be in infinite bliss, I want to be here. When people have notions of a heaven where they're walking around clouds with dead relatives, "eternity" sounds quite alright. But when considered in this context, truly frightening... "No infinite love! No! Stay away from me infinite love! I want to be a character! I don't want your love!" - 
	
	
				GreenWoods replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
You can look from that perspective and say that the internal is the key to happiness. When the internal is strong enough, the external doesn't matter. But in order to make the internal strong in the first place, and to maintain it strong, the external does matter. And as I've already said, you can also see it from the opposite perspective: That the external is key. When the external is strong enough, the internal doesn't matter. A strong enough external can cause bliss regardless of your bad internal state (judgements, perspectives, biases, neurosis). For example by taking heroin. Now you can say that the bliss from an enlightened mind is better than the bliss from heroin. But: that judgment is relative that difference in quality of bliss depends on the rules of the current reality/dream. In a different reality, it might be switched. In such a reality, people might get the enlightened bliss from taking heroin, and get the shallow bliss from being a Buddha. But even within our reality it can be considered relative. I guess most people would consider the bliss from relationships to be better and higher quality than the bliss from a still and accepting mind) (I use taking heroin as an example to better illustrate. But in the category of "external" also belong things most people consider valuable and fulfilling, like romantic relationships, sex, friends, traveling...) I'm not saying either internal or external is key. I'm saying both are key. And depending on one's specific situation one is more important to focus on. - 
	
	
				Razard86 replied to ShardMare's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Yep, but mine was different than most. Instead of getting complete detachment I got a sort of a limbo detachment. Like I was half way attached. I existed in this state for like 2 weeks. I felt like I was dragging around something dead. In that state it was constant bliss, sometimes it got too much and gave me a headache. It made sense to me now why Jesus and Moses both went into the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights. If you weaken the body (Not telling you to do this lol don't want yall to harm yourselves) you truly discover that your natural state is peace, joy, and bliss. Our body and discriminatory human brain creates the suffering we have. - 
	
	
				GreenWoods replied to GreenWoods's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I made a post about different ways to increase spiritual bliss: The void dimension is kind of always involved to some extend. These are the ways how the void dimension increases bliss. By: increasing shakti awakening kundalini making transmissions and invocations more powerful making it easier to surrender and accept unconditionally making the enlightened state more profound I think the void dimension really is the component of enlightenment that causes the most practical benefits. 
