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Well Sadghuru is this famous yogi who has done 60000+ or something hours of yoga and mediation and the other guy apparently is so good at astral projection that he was able to witness what happens to the dead. Every culture forbids suicide so there is something to it

I don't believe in such things especially when stated in a religious context. However suicide is very depressing and leaves unsurmountable pain. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Boring part out of the way first, If it's your dharma to build a suicide machine, then you build a suicide machine. If it's your dharma to stop people commiting suicide, then you stop people commiting suicide. That's the ultimate case of the matter, I don't have an opinion on the matter if you ask me personally. -- But what's interesting is this. The energy around this domain stinks and is nauseating, yet you've got these people building suicide machines, making it their occupation I know from experience, the energy here is truly sickening, you curse yourself by entering here. I've done lots of writing on the geometry of shame and energies lower than that, and have a good understanding of it now. I've probably dropped into lower astral realms, basically found a negative kundalini energy. I know that sounds retarded but I think it's true. Anyway, it's not a good place to be, I'm crawling out Perhaps fortunately or unfortunately, information on this isn't easy to find with a google search* But if I'm cursing myself like a Blood Hunter in D&D's (people who turn curse themselves into monsters to fight monsters), I'm not doing it to kill suicidal people. I'm doing it for something grander or more important, like "slaughtering my enemies" (the third eye might get hijacked in that way at "negative energies"). The LOC 0-1000 scale is wrong if you understand it as bottoming out at a 0. Empirically; take the energies and the phenomena it describes; twist it into something off the scale, go ""negative"", and a new ruleset is discovered And there could just be many arbitrary dimensions and millions of unexplored lands in consciousness The lower energy lands I found were dominated by math and had a very geometrically solid feel to them, running on """logic""" even if feeling is absent. There was pattern, energy of a different texture, but its scary and not worth it imo *People need to be warned about this shit. What I described as "negative kundalini" was probably something that happens after regular chakra shuts down below the spine, and then you descend "lower" down in consciousness, and weird reversal occurs. It's terrible, I recommend it to no one

What can lead to suicidal ideation is catastrophic thinking. Ruminating over thoughts that lead to more and more catastrophic thoughts that things are so bad that the only way to make it stop is suicide. That's a permanent solution to a temporary problem. If you can't stop this thinking on your own, then get help. When you do make sure the person your speaking to knows 1) that your serious and 2) you need help now!

Sadghuru and some other astral projection youtuber (Ryan cooper) say that suicide will simply trap you in the astral realm for a very long time, where you will work trough your karma by reliving your nightmares constantly OR upon death you will become disembodied and basically the first thought/tendency that pops up will be projected and magnified infinitely. So being fearful will get you to unimaginable paranoia and suffering. This game is rigged and not even death promises relief from the loneliness and sheer insanity of it all

@blankisomeone Yeah maybe from their mind's POV, but God is very aware of its doing. But even then, the person who commits suicide is actually looking for "relief" and that is the definition of "infinite love". Next time you orgasm, you'll notice it's basically intense relief. That's what a suicidal person wants, love.

The one who commits suicide isn’t thinking about reuniting with infinite love. He’s thinking of NONEXISTENCE (which can’t happen) we’re here forever man, it sucks? Don’t you understand the seriousness of the situation? Lol

@SgtPepper Change your definition of "suicide" to the "choice the reunite with infinite love and God when one chooses to do so". Or more simply put, death / suicide is just "going home".

I understand why as a society we would allow it. but personally, I don't think suicide is ever a good idea. as for the rationale? (the quote you posted) it's a bunch of bullshit lol.

What do u guys think of this machine and what do you think of the guy's statement: '"It's not just some privilege for the very sick. It's a fundamental human right. If you've got the precious gift of life, you should be able to give that gift away at the time of your choosing."

Moral frameworks exist within the human conceptual matrix. Everything that exists does so out of and being the embodiment of infinite love. So suicide is infinite love, fearing death is infinite love, the people trying to convince you not to kill yourself is infinite love etc etc. As to what moral frameworks Leo does or doesn't use. Leo would seem to be utilizing some combination of all of the those. But he most certainly is not a hedonist, at least not to the same extent that he's a non dualistic cosmologist for example. We know this because he thinks for example not very highly of recreational drug use(a position he and I share). Were he a hedonist he would love recreational drug use.

@Apple Juice When the momentum of discord has reached the point it has, the ideal help is the help specifically trained for where you’re at so to speak. Call, allow & receive that help. http://www.suicide.org/hotlines/international-suicide-hotlines.html https://www.opencounseling.com/suicide-hotlines I am not per se specifically trained in suicide prevention, but can rightfully say that you haven’t tried everything yet, and if you’d like to try chatting with me just let me know. I’m available today. Links below, or just pm me. Much love.

@Apple Juice Calm down, you can find a solution to this. Do not give up hope. I think what happened to you is this: you had a panic attack and depersonalization. You went into the subliminal audio with 1. a very specific image of yourself 2. desire to change that image 3. very specific expectations as to what your new self would / should look like. You therefore turned your awareness at yourself, constantly observing how you believed yourself to be. Then you listened to the audio, (still constantly observing yourself with a specific image and expectation in mind) and then looked for the desired change in yourself (a manlier voice). Your expectations came true as a self-fulfilling prophecy. You Persona changed by virtue of you believing that it has changed. The reason this hasn't gone away is not because you're crazy, you're not. You are not possessed by anything either, it's still all you, relax. The reason this hasn't gone away is because you are still (yes, for the last 3 months) observing yourself / your image of yourself / the PERSONA you believe yourself to be. This whole thing is just about persona. You can't stop believing that you have become this new persona because any attempt to stop believing it simply reinforces the belief that you are this new persona. You understand? That's why you haven't gotten out of it, because you are not conscious of that dynamic. Stop turning your focus inwardly. Start turning your focus outwardly, stop observing yourself. Stop observing yourself when you speak, just speak. Don't think about how you're going to speak or what other people will think about you. You must learn to redirect your attention at something other than yourself. No persona stays forever and yours won't last either. Trust in that, don't give up hope and don't focus on it. Find something to do and then do that and focus on that. And stop listening to reverse subliminal audio, they will simply reinforce the belief that you are this Mr. Testosterone, you're not. If you still can't do it and are seriously considering suicide, please get help ASAP. There are ways to fix this.

@Leo Gura Leo in this video at 1:00 you say that suicide is not morally wrong.doesnt this depend on what moral framework you use though? For example if you are an utalitarian( goal-maximize pleasure of everyone) wouldnt suicide be wrong according to the utalitarian framework as suicide will decrease the pleasure of others(due to selfblame/guilt etc)? i think what you meant to say is “since morality doesn’t exist and nothing is right or wrong,whether you commit suicide or not doesn’t matter”.am I right? you don’t adhere to any moral framwork do you leo? (Utalitarianism,consequentialism,or deontology)? If anything I would say you are closest to a hedonist right?

Will God Punish you if you end up killing yourself? By 'Punish' I mean maybe you'll just be reborn into similar shi**y situations just so you will overcome em in this reincarnation. It seems to me that this life will affect the quality of my next life..

The person who commits suicide thinks death is better than life.. So it's still boil down to what feels better for the oneself.

Its a difference between fate and calling. In fate life kinda happend to you, including your choices and since thats the case nothing to do, no responsibility. In other, you are the the one who has to make choices, take responsibility and agree to be human in complex world of relationships and multiple importances. With paths that differ and one is better than another. I know this kind of talk isnt politically correct spiritual jargon in this forum but I think its important reminder. Its my understanding that the way practiced and preached here has brought multiple people to suicide. Dont wish to free people from responsibility that your actions might part take on someones decision to commit one in future.

Suicide is the survival attempt of the ego. "Rather die than be known as this". Get it?

Explain suicide.

Hanna needed 13 reasons to commit suicide, and even then I thought she was a drama queen.

Reading older posts - Ekhart Tolle was suicidal and then he reached enlightenment, which Leo says is rare? Side notes for ethical debate and reasoning ... I think suicide should be made legal, except you must be on a waiting list for six months and if you're still feeling like life is a trap you can opt out. And I do not believe in a terrible afterlife full of human regrets, because the body turns to dust which is exactly what we want, Now I get intense frustration, and people then say there is no 'I' or 'person' who is frustrated, but then they say oh you're such and such, stop being selfish ... but wait, there's not a 'person' or 'I' to stop being selfish? I genuinely do not think one can be any less selfish and become selfless, and anyone teaching so called selflessness, I can only continue to disagree; because surely the singularity will be selfish, as it cannot be selfless to an apparent 'other' if it were a singularity? Further on, a singularity I imagine goes inwards, not outward. Moreover, isn't the the apparent 'observer' of say intense spontaneous thoughts and emotions with all the rest of the complex processes occurring to the supposed frustrated experiencer ‘I’, also a dualistic teaching? To explain myself more clearly here, to say there is an invisible observer separate from the complex frustrating experiences which occur and make up the supposed 'I'? Isn't that a dualistic teaching? Third - Third, Leo said in a previous post that I was immature and perhaps I'm best to stay away from DMT, but I was joking around and the comment was more so a light hearted parody of lets say Ram Dass who rubbed his Ghuru's feet. Hence I got frustrated and I took it personally, because I hate people telling me things that aren't accurate and its likely a false judgement. So the question is, does one continue to take life personally, I mean lets say you're trying to be a certain way like working hard, but your partner in the household says you're lazy when you leave your socks on the floor each time you come in after work, and your partner doesn't understand how hard you have worked in the past, no one does, and yet there's not a whole lot to show up for the hard work you're commited to in the past, and your partner thinks you're lazy in the house hold? Side note - perhaps the comment Leo made was for my own safety to avoid drugs and not be immature about spiritual development, understandable, however I was still personal hence my question about things being personal in relationships that hurt, irritate and frustrate myself, Fourth - I do not think enlightnement exists, as does U.G. Krishnamurti, and two different people who preach about it probably have two very different ideas or experiences about "enlightenment". Fifth - Love DOES NOT exist, it does as a selfish human experience. For example, I like the way you make me feel, but I dislike and hate the way the other people make me feel. I'm selfish and I want you to continue to make me feel good, and so when I receive extra affectionate and non sexual intimacy do I feel really good and call that love. But those people who disregard me as deserving special attention, I hate those people. Okay, and Leo, I've been liking and appreciating your videos on YouTube recently, although I'm going to stand on the otherside of the fence and debate - Now, people will revert to saying I need medication or to be locked up in a looney asylum when I make points that I feel are valid, like these ones, and it would get on my nerves and I could escape these people either - I'm willing to perhaps alter my current ideas if yours resonates, although perhaps you won't alter your own to see these few points of views I've made to begin with, which I also question, so at the moment there's a fence and I'm happy to question selfishness and if enlightenment is an illusion, and if love is a fake transaction for survival, and suicidal should be legalized as well as drugs, Thank you in transaction for anyone's response or reading,

Read “I hate you don’t leave me” or “Walking on eggshells” tell her to take lithium or , lithium orotate, and get IFS therapy, which reduces bipolar symptoms. make sure you talk to a therapist if you have problems as it’s common for the ex’s of bpd people to commit suicide

I promote the idea of firearm ownership because I don't trust human nature. The more checks and balances we have to keep human nature in check the better. Plus, the number of actual firearm fatalities in the US is rather low compared to say overdoses, abortions, and any other of number causes of death. I usually like to bring up the fact there are 850,000 abortions per year in the US compared to 30,000 non suicide firearm fatalities. AND on top of it, many of the firearm deaths occur in heavily blue cities that do things like hand out signature bonds, go soft on crime, and in general have policy that increases crime and blames it all on systematic racism and makes the problem worse. I wouldn't mind having a registration system that can tie guns to owners to better track the flow of weapons though. The problems is serial numbers can be removed, guns can hit the elicit areas and end up being illegally modified.

@Marcel thank you so much. You almost saved me from a suicide. You make me happy. I can't be grateful enough.

I don't have a problem with using guns to hunt game and wild animals, but why does the public need dangerous weapons for protection against people. Don't forget other people can carry guns too, not to mention they are also dangerous in which people can be harmed from firearms accidents. Guns give people a lot of power and power can go to your head, if you think you would come off worse from an altercation you wouldn't get involved in an altercation and you could always be stopped by members of the public. That doesn't happen with guns you can kill someone in an instant and noone can stop you as it takes a split second to pull a trigger. Gun related homicides make up around 3/4 of all homicides in the US and the US has the highest homicide rate in the developed world not lagging far behind south and central American countries with cartel problems. There are a lot of people who feel they have nothing to loose and they want to express themselves before they kill themselves or throw their life away in jail and guns most certainly give people the means to carry this out which can be very alluring when you feel very low. It is also said by mental health experts in the media that giving people distance between them and the means of suicide drastically reduces suicides, a gun goes off in a second, theirs no pain, no time to calm down, no time to prepare, you can have a certain urge in a split second and then its all over. I feel its the same way with shooting homicides you can have one very bad day and you have the instant means at your disposal to kill a lot of people in a short amount of time, you know the statistics from the media so you know the chance of success to express yourself. The media sensationalising shootings bombarding the public with constant news footage about every single aspect of the persons life and the incident turns the perpetrator into a nihlistic anti- hero for people that have similar disgruntled feelings about society or certain groups of people, which can be a source of inspiration in that they are making a difference for whatever they believe, so the media certainly doesn't help as well. Whenever their is a shooting in the media authorities are on alert for copy cat killers or other people that have been inspired by constant news footage I acknowledge we have a knife problem in the UK and even more shockingly its the Gen Z's aged between 12 and 15 that seem to be carrying out most of these attacks that have happened in my country in the past 10 years, but you can't massacre a lot of people with a knife as you can be easily disarmed and killing yourself afterwards with a knife isnt very appealing, which at least provides somewhat of a deterrent; stronger laws to punish carry knifes are what is needed.