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Razard86 replied to Bird Larry's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I'll explain to make it a little easier. If you were a blind man, there would be no images, so with sight you are just seeing images. So what makes the image feel real? The sensation of touch. If you grabbed at cup and didn't feel anything you would instantly know it was fake, or if your hand went through it. Science has shown that all things we touch are empty space. https://interestingengineering.com/science/due-to-the-space-inside-atoms-you-are-mostly-made-up-of-empty-space So Science shows you are made of nothingness, also we know atoms are just more image also but I digress. So its the resistance between the charge between two objects that makes something FEEL physical. So notice this...if you lost sight, physical touch, emotional feelings, smell, and hearing, even if I saw you in my room for you....you wouldn't be anywhere. Now let me take away your last sensation, the feeling of awareness itself from which all things stem forth. This happens when you are in deep sleep. So in deep sleep you have none of those things listed above....so do you exist when in deep sleep? No you do not. Understand that to exist you must first have awareness, then all the other senses give you a reality. Your reality is just sight, physical touch/feeling, emotional feeling, smells, and hearing. That's it. You see when you deconstruct how simple it is? -
AtheisticNonduality replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The Nothingness creates the mirages, is them. -
RMQualtrough replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Change is what the mirages do. The nothingness doesn't budge or change a bit. It's always identical... -
Ezo replied to KoryKat's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
So just defining yourself would put limitations upon yourself you exist and you don't exist at the same time you are everything and also you nothingness and you exist in all timelines all realities all dimensions simultaneously you can not be quantified you are unquantifiable. -
Salvijus replied to Topspin715's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
They are the same thing actually. But it's hard to explain how. Who makes the realization that existence is void of self? Pure awareness/The Real Self is making that insight that there is no self anywhere. One who realizes no self automatically becomes aware of undiscribable, immeasurable Nothingness, aka the Real Self. And one who becomes aware of the Real Self, nothingness, void. Automatically realizes that there is no tangable self in existence. Everything is just passing and going away in nothingness. They are the two sides of the same realization. -
Infinity is my playground. Infinity gets scared of God Infinity contemplated itself and went fuck I an m bored. God fragmented itself again and it was fun. The question of why do you want to know why? I was there I became it. I know why and what the origin of all it is. Why do you want to know?? GOD IS THAT FOR WHICH CREATES ITSELF GOD IS THAT IS ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGN ON TO ITSELF GOD IS THAT WHICH HAS FULLY ACCEPTED ITSELF AND TAKEN FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ITSELF And this is who u are. Yes, u are an infinite mind you are not just an aspect of infinity you are the whole totality of it. You are God playing all parts simultaneously on every plane of existence in every and all parallel realities and dimensions everything that you could ever imagine and even things that that you could never even begin to imagine. U are infinite awareness infinite will infinite intelligence infinite power infinite imagination, infinite magic infinite art infinite consciousness, and infinite Love are all one and of the same mind. And yet, you are none of these things in the literal sense of the words; nothingness and somethingness are indistinguishable from each other and are the same. There are no distinctions between you me this that and other. So is the idea of being separate from one and others there is only you. Anyway, I love you all forever. The infinite self-expression of your self God is infinite self-expression of itself through its other selves. And last night I became infinity and fragmented myself again because I can. And the song was it. Thomas Barrandon - Absolute Magnitude. This is for fun. Sometimes God needs to be reminded and brought back to not being so serious and this is why I had my 20g of cubes which will make me remember why I am God and well the rest is for you to find out.
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Infinity is my playground. Infinity gets scared of God Infinity contemplated itself and went fuck I an m bored. God fragmented itself again and it was fun. The question of why do you want to know why? I was there I became it. I know why and what the origin of all it is. Why do you want to know?? GOD IS THAT FOR WHICH CREATES ITSELF GOD IS THAT IS ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGN ON TO ITSELF GOD IS THAT WHICH HAS FULLY ACCEPTED ITSELF AND TAKEN FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ITSELF And this is who u are. Yes, u are an infinite mind you are not just an aspect of infinity you are the whole totality of it. You are God playing all parts simultaneously on every plane of existence in every and all parallel realities and dimensions everything that you could ever imagine and even things that that you could never even begin to imagine. U are infinite awareness infinite will infinite intelligence infinite power infinite imagination, infinite magic infinite art infinite consciousness, and infinite Love are all one and of the same mind. And yet, you are none of these things in the literal sense of the words; nothingness and somethingness are indistinguishable from each other and are the same. There are no distinctions between you me this that and other. So is the idea of being separate from one and others there is only you. Anyway, I love you all forever. The infinite self-expression of your self God is infinite self-expression of itself through its other selves. And last night I became infinity and fragmented myself again because I can. And the song was it. Thomas Barrandon - Absolute Magnitude. This is for fun. Sometimes God needs to be reminded and brought back to not being so serious and this is why I had my 20g of cubes which will make me remember why I am God and well the rest is for you to find out.
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Oppositionless replied to KoryKat's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
because nothingness does not, by its nature, exist. therefore everything exists. -
Someone here replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The same ineffable substance out of which everything is made out of. Thoughts are no exception. The cold harsh truth Is that nobody fucking knows what it is . It's pure being .nothingness. pure magic. But these are just words . -
Someone here replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Razard86 the Buddha has taught since the Dawn of time that "form is formlessness. And formlessness is form ".. What do you make of that ? The problem is you imagine a difference between "nothingness " and this very experience that you are having now . Notice that you are imagining " dreamless state " in favor of what's actual (which is the present). You are literally doing it .you are just fantasising. form is what we live out as an incarnation. Somewhere along the line in that story, we awaken. We begin to realize we are not only the incarnation, that there is more to us than meets the eyes, and we begin to realize that the more that we think we are, we are. That leads us to re-look at our experiences and to open to new experiences that allow us to enter into other planes of consciousness, other perspectives, other ways of looking at it. But you seem so stuck in your perspective. @Cykaaaa fair enough .Im full of it . -
Someone here replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The false identity will die(the human body ) The real you (consciousness/being/nothingness) will never die . I love this quote by Sri Nisargadatta maharaj :"the real will never die .the unreal never lived ". -
kray replied to CuriousityIsKey's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I think what you are missing is that historically, Buddha came from a family of royalty. He has been exposed to all karmic temptations (at least for those times) by the time he became the Buddha. After growing tired with that, he had decided to go on the course of detachment of all worldly things. I wouldn't use renounce, but detachment is a noble thing only if you burn through your karma. Otherwise, your temptations will take a hold of you. In other words, he wanted to detach and realize nothing because he had everything (for those times). So if you don't have everything your full potential of life has to offer, stop thinking of detaching and renouncing human life, but fall in love with it. If you are at a stage where you are still working for a means to an end i.e. being a wage slave, it is more important to have a stage orange outlook than it is to have yellow/turquoise one. Fall in love with your life how it exactly is, and work towards your full potential, to get "everything". Doing consciously will make you realize that truth is found not in everything, but in ultimate nothingness. But you need to have something to have nothing -
Tyler Durden replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
But what happens at the moment of your physical death? Do you just remain conscious of the nothingness as reality disappears? -
Yeah for sure.. yet we can sometimes awaken to one facet of it and miss the other one. I've experienced both as one and it is one but reality is so tricky so whatever you believe is, is. The absolute truth is that everything is relative. The ego is also absolute truth on the absolute level.. and absolute love. The ego doesn't exsist, yet we frame it as that it exsist and interpets something but it's nothing there but truth, love and conciousness which is that nothingness.
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UnbornTao replied to Dodo's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
"Among the great things which are to be found among us, the Being of Nothingness is the greatest." -- Leonardo Da Vinci. -
playdoh replied to playdoh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Thank you! Explained so well. Anger is a tough one. My anger is often a mix w/aggression and if it don’t release it quickly it builds and can turn to rage! Let me ask you. What about when one is feeling just vast emptiness, nothingness, kind of almost feels like apathy. If i stay feeling that especially in a social situation I feel my emotions start to portray it. No fun to be around that or feel that. -
Guest replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
It's not that you identify as nothingness. All identification will naturally stop when you are in absolute Being. -
Someone here replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
It's a matter of identity. What do you identify as ? If you identify as this human body ..then obviously thus will die .and anyone who says otherwise needs a serious reality check . BUT if you identity as nothingness. Obviously nothingness cannot die . -
RMQualtrough replied to RMQualtrough's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Timelessness is easy to understand and explain by saying that time appears within the backdrop. Like a piece of blank paper. You can draw and animate figures. The drawn figures move through time, but the paper itself doesn't itself move through time. And then the same for the infinite. The drawings on the paper are limited, that's how they take shape to begin with, by having boundaries sketched onto the paper. The paper itself if you can imagine one without any edge, doesn't have any finiteness to it... Considering the paper is a metaphor for literal nothingness, it's even easier to understand why it doesn't have an edge. It's funny, if you stepped outside reality and tried to look at it, there'd be literally nothing there... You couldn't step outside, of course, because there's nothing outside nothing, we're nowhere. Nothing. Not in time. We shouldn't even exist. For all intents and purposes, maybe it could even be said nothing exists at all... Depending on which perspective you take. -
Razard86 replied to KoryKat's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
He's already explained it. Just rewatch his videos. Then Contemplate it, Rewatch Contemplate it. Do a psychedelic if you believe that will help. Keep doing it and eventually you will figure it out. I have realized the most important analogy is a dream. Here is an example to help you understand the nothingness example. If I showed you a comic panel of Peter Parker (Spider-Man) eating ice cream and him handing a dog some dog food. I could ask you, what is the difference between what Peter is eating and the dog? Normally you might say well Peter is eating ice cream and that is different than dog food. I will then say Matthew....its just lines and colors. Is there really a difference between between a drawing of ice cream and a drawing of dog food. You would reply no, but in their world....EXACTLY!!! When you read a Spider Man Comic or you watch a Spider Movie or Animation you have to IMAGINE a difference between ice cream and dog food. But you know on a cognitive level that is just drawing. Well if you compare yourself as a human to a comic book you are essential God. You can draw and erase anything out of existence. THIS IS HOW GOD LOOKS AT REALITY. TO GOD ALL OF REALITY IS ONE, THERE IS NO DISTINCTION. So God can love everything. Right now if you dream and create the entire multiverse in your mind, and instead of being a finite mind you were an infinite mind. You could then live the lives of all of your creations in your dreams. But to do that, and be the most efficient you will live everyone of those lives from the first person perspective. You have one frame where all of life happens. The rest is imaginary. For example right now, you could imagine yourself sitting in a room. When the door is closed, windows and blinds are closed. The only thing that exists for that version of you is that room. You might say "But I can hear things outside." Of course you can that is part of the imagination. To give the illusion of something out there existing. But it doesn't for you. Only your bubble of awareness exists, anything outside does not exist. You have never travelled anywhere. You can confirm this in a psychedelic trip or a dream. You can travel in both without moving your physical body, which is proof you can travel while being still. How are you traveling? In your mind. If you can understand right now you are in an INFINITE MIND, then you have never travelled, you are in a dream of infinite mind traveling in the dream but you are actually stationary outside the dream. -
Salvijus replied to Topspin715's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Zero is eternal nature of existence actually. Nothingness is the source of all things. Nothingness is one thing that can't be eliminated from existence. It never comes and never goes. -
Vibroverse replied to KoryKat's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Then we can say that the sentences "a cat is an animal" and "it will probably rain tomorrow, say the experts" are actually the same sentence, on the level of absolute nonduality, or nothingness. This is holy frickin ................................... -
RMQualtrough replied to KoryKat's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
It's super simple actually... Nothingness doesn't need to be created, and nothingness is literally what "consciousness" is. -
Galyna replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Someone here Here: Nothingness is NOT a Void, my biggest realization - Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God - Actualized.org Forum Why do you think that nothingness is just a void, or a pure black space with nothing in there? This is how a human being imagines “nothing”. This is not the case. Notice, it’s still something. You are not a human being; this is your “understanding” starts. I will use the language here just to explain the concept. However, you cannot fathom it by the means of language. When the "observer takes a back seat in consciousness", and just observes the reality, the self of sense drowns in void, disappears. Try not to put labels and describe what you see. Language is not needed. What you will discover soon is that the stencil, or what you call individualized personality, will cease to exist. When there is no self, there is no one to register the reality. That’s a key moment. There is no cognition and description of what you see, smell, or hear. You do not need to close your eyes to think yourself out of reality, you actually do not even need to meditate for this. All you need to do is to stop naming the objects and phenomena you see, stop creating the meaning of the experience. When this happens, experience is still there without the description, but at the same time it is not there either. So, we cannot call it “experience”. However, when there is no observer, you cannot register the reality. Drop the observer that your mind creates to lurk you into so-called Enlightenment! This is a trick it plays with itself to never let "you" go. This is how the illusion (maya) of the solid world has been creating “you” for a long time. It’s been creating “you” through the stencil of the perceiver and the perception. By returning back into the seat of consciousness, when you drop all the notions, language, descriptions, you are disappearing. You do not need to close your eyes for this to happen, because even with the eyes closed, you mind still separates and divides between inner and outer, thoughts and void, cognition, feelings, and emotions. “You” are still there! Don’t stop your thought process, no need even for that, let it be there. You do not know yet the true meaning behind the objects that you see. You really do not know who you are, everything that you know comes from language (reasoning, prior knowledge, and beliefs). What if you do not have language, are you still your body or the holistic experience? Are you still separating and dividing between “mine” and “not mine”? No, when you drop the language and knowledge, all you’ll be left with is a holistic experience, One, picture that contains everything, and your body is just another object on that canvas. You are not in your body. By slowly putting your attention back on awareness, by dropping even that!!! you begin to experience nothingness. Who said that nothing is empty? Actually, nothingness can contain all the elements of perceptions: sound and color, tactile senses. This is how illusion has been created, illusion that there is something there, when in fact there is not. You are walking on the bridge between dualities without realizing that wholeness is couched within nothingness, and nothingness contains and gives birth to everything. How? By giving the experience some description. It is very simple, by reasoning… It does not mean that everything appears into Being from void, it’s already there: nothing and everything, non-dual infinite potential. What it means that by changing the perception, you can realize, but only post factum, that everything is nothing. It only appears as colors, sounds, senses, but everything is nothing in its core, and vice versa. When you drop the stencil of the perceiver and start having the experience of Being/Totality, without any cognition and linguistic recognitions. Who is there to acknowledge the factuality? Nobody right, nobody could say there is a tree, because “you” as the perceiver is NOT there. What is there then? It cannot be communicated, that is the trick… Does it mean that the light was off, and everything zoomed in into the black dot? No. We do not need to switch the light off for existence to become nothing. All you need to do is to “think your way out” of existence as a human being - mind. When there is no you, there is no world. Because “world” is just the linguistic description of your mind. There is no such thing as world, it is all mental construct for you to see the plausible reality. Once you break the meaning of everything, and drop all the notions, reality as you know, will cease to exist because you will take your illusory self out of the equation. Death is not real; this is literally how you die. Time only exists as a descriptive mechanism to make sense of the continuum from moment to moment, or a motion. Again, when you do not describe the motion, you do not have time. Contraction and dilation of time only happen in your mind. Hope the reader will understand my point. Thanks for your time and attention. -
There is a hypocrisy here, which in philosophical logic is a self-refutation. For each one, you'll get a hypocrisy point. But first of all, the distinction between Emptiness and form (or capitalized Form if you'd like) is not arbitrarily created. It's created because they are distinct in reality, outside of the conceptual mind, experientially, directly experientially. I have form, and that form is Emptiness. I also have non-form, Emptiness qua Emptiness, which is outside of form. If Emptiness covers the entire breadth of the formed world (of perceptions, the physical, the mental, in all senses and human faculties) in addition to being totally outside of that, we necessarily conclude Emptiness is ontologically more comprehensive or wider, since it is completely immanent (spanning the realm Everythingness) and transcendent (being retreated into itself with no form there). This is not conceptually invented; this is "seen" with the eyes of its own witnessing, its own self-defining and self-revealing. My visual field is Nothingness with form; outside my visual field's boundaries (we are claiming the existence of boundaries because they are consequential) is Nothingness with Nothingness alone. Though all of this is able to be seen as nondualistic. I of course said before that denying this transcendence of Emptiness outside of form (because it supposedly violates the principle of Oneness, even though we speak of one thing over there and another over here all the time and don't think that distinction is ultimately a denial of reality) becomes self-refuting when you emphasize the transcendence of Consciousness outside of form (form = the qualities that adhere to space and time). The only way for Consciousness to transcend form is to be Emptiness, since that which is Emptiness is the only existence that might assume any formed finite existence, is the only Infinite existence through its boundlessness that is compatible with all bounds. But perhaps the stated transcendence does not place Consciousness outside of what we call the space and the time; it only denies their multiplicity with an oppressive unity. And yet the forms exist in their unity, as images, as people, as the sky, as such as what you are. It depends on what direction you're traveling in. Emptiness transcends form. Yet you could also have a form that excites itself to such a degree it becomes (realized as) an infinite form, going up in intensity of form. But ultimately Consciousness must be Emptiness and Emptiness must be Consciousness, both the same Infinite unities and One set of infinities. He answers with "Consciousness" out of his own bias. I would not use the word "Consciousness" because it is potentially a conflation with the lowercase consciousness of just humankind. What psychological aspects belong to is consciousness; what the highest reaches of mysticism belong to is Consciousness. There is a terminological mess, part of the case for proper systematization. He also needs to more carefully explain the Love and Infinity and You, systematically, not just with ambiguities in this case and definitely not with intentional falsehoods . . . Go cannot get around Emptiness. This statement is a bit concerning. As if you don't have it in your direct awareness and don't actually know what it is. Reading about Platonic philosophy won't suffice, but as a logical pointer, Emptiness cannot not exist in forms, cannot not be in Consciousness either, because it is the very ground of nonexistence and existence themselves. If something doesn't exist, it has no form and is in Emptiness, and if everything doesn't exist, it has no form and is in Emptiness; and if something does exist, it must still be Emptiness because whatever is its boundary will not have a clear demarcation to separate it from Emptiness because Emptiness does not subscribe to boundaries (though it exists as only itself outside boundaries); and it must still be Emptiness because there is absolutely nothing that could remove it from form and there is nothing in form that could deny Emptiness' reign and ocean surrounding-ness. You are giving an otherwise Absolute quality a relative appearance (and getting your second hypocrisy point by the way). The first step is living and thinking in the relative world, distinguishing things for pragmatism and instinct. The second step is realizing the Absolute and differentiating it from the relative, seeing how it is different from the relative in basic existence and principles and consequence. But the third step is realizing that differentiation was a mental construction, because that is how humans make sense of phenomena as well as the highest phenomena, and that there is an Absoluteness that allows for no border at all between the Absolute and the relative. The only border that can exist here is between your conception of the Absolute and your conception of the relative, not an Absolute separate from one of its creations, for if an Absolute were separate from one of its creations, it would not really be Absolute; or the creation would not exist at all and be "illusory" or "Maya" or whatnot, which is incoherent since something which exists necessarily exists. There is is an absurdity of something that exists which does not exist. This is why I maintain the supposition of the "illusion" of reality is itself, in a way, the real illusion because it is an inaccurate statement about reality's structure. Or this can all be overcome by admitting the existence of space and time, however deceptive or illusory at first before we grasp it better. Technical precision will become more important the more falseness corrupts the higher level of reality we'll be accessing.