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A paradigm is god’s way of reaching the end of reincarnation. How can you make a conceptual “me” who may have experienced previous lives to experience certain situation. Easy give them a body which is festered with certain dna archetypes. You reacting to your environment and every thought was pre determined in the sense “me” reacting to the nature of its own design. This is why we have ego development . It is because the “me” will always do things to reach enlightenment. But overall I agree, can’t say it’s anything but consciousness after you’ve died ?

Back in 2017 I was on a ceremony where we smoked DMT. I had never done a psychedelic before. My martial arts mentor had been to such a ceremony before and his advice to me was " Inhale with your balls and hold as much as you can". So I did. I had seen Leo's videos on psychedelics and enlightenment and I wanted to experience as much as I could directly. Inhaled. Held. Held...Everything went dark. As if reality got shut down completely. Then everything got 'turned back on'. I noticed the room I was sitting in and for a brief moment I had a memory of the way I had conceptually fragmented everything - that's a person, that's a wall, that's a... and then every single division I had created started shattering like glass. In just a couple of seconds everything started to fold into itself. I was in such a shock of this realization that I said " Everything is so simple! " At the very last moment the only division that was left was "Me" vs "the thing I'm observing". The moment I realized that was the moment "Me" got merged with everything else aswell. Then, there I was. An infinite spiral, just folding into myself endlessly. The first thought I had ( as I hadn't surrendered completely ) was " I want to escape from here! ". And then there realization hit me " There is no other place than here ". I had absolutely no memory of anything. There was absolutely no time, no space, no thing. I struggled for a while, trying to grasp onto something I could identify with but it was absolutely pointless. ( keep in mind that I had never had any sort of psychedelic or mystical experience prior to that. I didn't even meditate ). Then, after an eternity of trying to 'not be myself' there was another realization: " Since I'm only Me, there is nowhere to go, and I am here forever, why am I not enjoying it ? ". It hit me that I was choosing not to enjoy the experience. So I changed my choice. It instantly became absolutely blissful. After another eternity of blissfulness everything started vibrating in an unusual way. I slowly started coming out of the experience. Later I realized that the shaman was playing some instrument that felt as if it was 'tuning' me back to this reality. I started remembering the concept of "time", then "space". It was awesome. The funny thing is that the concept of 'I'm a human being' came back to me like 5-10 minutes after the trip was over and I was already listening to some of the other people at the ceremony. It was absolutely astonishing that I had completely forgoten about it and didn't even miss it. I had completely died and then there was a reincarnation.

I have a few questions for those inclined to answer, would be much appreciated. At the tangible real bodily death (heart stops) of someone who has lived a materialistic life, not awakened, what happens? Eternal void? Hell? Reincarnation? Or do we all no matter what reunite with source energy/nirvana/god. I know it is possible to transcend the flesh in this life, but for those who haven't when they die and are still trapped in the Ego, I'm curious as to what happens afterwards. Also, on the side, what do you think the concept of hell and damnation means and can this be experienced after death? Just came across Actualized lately, truly is life changing information from an unbiased stand point and I value that so thanks Leo. Cheers

Reincarnation is said to work like this: You die and you are reborn as something new. That's kinda true in one sense, but reincarnation is a bit different. The thing with reincarnation is that you are right now reincarnating in everyone simultaneously at this moment! Ta-daaa. But why are you - you and I'am - me? Its because one human-being has it's own memory which the consciousness is bound to being aware of and thus creating one experience at a time. Plain consciousness has no memory it just is only conscious/aware. Consciousness is the eyes of God looking and being aware of the experience which you ultimately are. A God who is thinking that he is a little human born to this world. That's the magic of it, once you experience a number of awakenings you understand that You forgot who you actually are. Ultimately - God forgot that he is God.

@Mu_ when you take all illusions out and are left with actuality. Or in other words, what is god’s perspective in actuality. I posted a picture of a nuclear bomb going off and said it’s beautiful. This is god’s perspective. When there is nothing outside of it, then there is nothing outside of it. That which is outside of it, is actually inside of it and that means that what is not actually true is only inside of it. How is it held inside of it ? As an idea or a concept held by the person. Nothing more than an imaginary phenomena. But Is actuality imaginary ? The idea is that form is imaginary from the point of our view of it looking at god’s perspective of god itself. However, this is not god’s perspective. This is your perspective of god’s perspective either in concept form or actual form if reAlised. In god’s perspective there is only god. Does god suffer ? No does god love ? Yes does god hate ? No does god hate ? Yes through you does god imagine ? No does god imagine ? Yes (through you) does god actualise ? Yes does god imagine actuality? No does god imagine actuality (reality) ? Yes (through you) Does god see a difference in actuality ? No does god see a difference in actuality ? Yes (through you) every duality is created through you. The end of reincarnation is the giving up of self and devilry. The ineffable as I call it. Is the part of you that does not know itself to be god. Give up the ineffable and that is enlightenment. In other words, is it a paradox or actuality that duality exists and we have all found that if materialism is a concept imaginable. Then anything is. God is imagining the whole of duality. But this imagination is for you as a seperate “me” it is not actually the truth of actuality, “what is actually here or isness” If you complete enlightenment, you will die. Vanish into the night sky ... It’s not that your body is yours to command. It never was because reality itself and everything we talk about is not actuality. This last part is in theory. Your physical body could never talk about it, if it experienced it. Because that’s duality itself. It’s an impossibility. You would have to die, to know and then by that time. Your dead, so there’s nobody to know. And so knowing means unknowing. Etc etc etc .. because knowing and unknowing are duality with opposite. It’ll just be being without an opposite. The question you have to ask yourself is. If you die, what happens to actuality and the answer is nothing changes. You return to the market place having forgot enlightenment because “me” was never my thoughts or real in the first place. “Me” was just a concept. But emotions, materialism, hobbies, jobs, work, life, death we’re all real to “me” so they are distinctions by you. That is needed for partially living. It’s just not needed for actuality. So they are important. So the “I” needs to survive to be functional. So life still goes on. But has the i, fully died to truth. Because me is me and me is not the true me. But all is fulfilled when the true me is me. That true me, is still you but it’s now the true me as me and not me as me. LOL the mind fuck. Gives meaning to the answers to everything is inside of you

I hope you make a video on reincarnation & Karma someday. Let's say that i kill 10 people and die in jail. Will my next life be hellish? Or let's say that i do very good in the world and help millions of people. Will my next life be an evolution of that? BUT All this talk that you are reborn to learn lesson from previous lifetimes doesn't make sense to me since the subject is One.

Reincarnation is just a belief really .

Great anime, about spirit, reincarnation and Buddha. A movie to remember. Full movie free on YouTube.

When the Buddha was asked about how reincarnation could be real if there was nothing to reincarnate, he basically said, "dont worry about it". He never addressed this because it was a contradiction. I concede that my early belief, that mirrored your current belief, brought about the resolution of the dark night faster. If one believes that the subjective experience continues after physical death, the ego attempts to redefine itself as eternal, further extending the control of the ego. it wasnt until I was able to transcend the ego that I realized there was more to the story. I spent several years studying and practicing Buddhism. Then I spent several years on Yoga/Vedanta. Then I turned my studies to the energetic traditions, including the Occult. This was the perfect order for me, in my awakening. I have found unique strengths and shortcomings in every tradition I have studied. I cant give you evidence because evidence is based in subjective direct experience. If you want it, you need to go get it yourself....as I did. If you dont want to look, than we will just have to agree to disagree. It doesnt really matter to me what others believe...just like it matters little to you what I believe. You claim you "know" that your subjective conscious experience will end when the body dies but that is just a belief until you die, despite your claims to the contrary. You seem to not realize that many of the questions and objections you pose to me could just as easily be posed to you so did nothing to further your position. I dont know how much experience you have had with psychedelics but I would be completely shocked if you have had more experience working with psychedelics than myself lol. Either way, it doesnt matter to this conversation. The easiest spirits to get to show up simply to prove a point are the wrathful ones. This intention may cause someone to get more than they bargained for. If you still want to try, here are some resources - https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+saftely+summon+a+demon&oq=how+to+saftely+summon+a+demon&aqs=chrome..69i57.6701j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 If you do summon a spirit, its efficacy depends on your emotion, intention and belief. At minimum, temporarily change your belief to "if so many people say its true, maybe it is" until after the ritual.

What makes u belive in a next life? Are there any prof of past lives or reincarnation?

How would you possibly know what is going to happen in the future, it's impossible, we can only speculate, the greatest masters agree with me. I definitely have things to discover but in terms of theories of what is going to happen 'after', you will never find a solid answer what so ever, sure some things are likely: life review, oneness, subtle dreams and reincarnation, being connected with emotional effects of our actions, a macro version of sleep-dreaming-waking as Ramana pointed out. But these are thoughts, mental images, we impose on the mystery of reality, right? Unless you can realize, a sort of, nothing will happen, cinema screen will change, but I won't, because you know yourself completely, then yeah, think that could be legit, but not in terms of what will happen

I made somewhat a article of this. I'm no expert in these fields so i can be wrong. Hope this helps. The new age movement was created out of positive intent. Its practices however are of a mixed nature. As some practices are magical in their core. What is magic? It's the application of mental and spiritual forces. White magic: Definite use and application of spiritual force solely for the blessing and benefit of others. Example: mass meditation like a crowd visualizes peace, prosperity and oneness for earth and its inhabitants. Black magic: Definite use and application of spiritual force with a selfish or material aim. Example: sexual tantra. It is the use of sexual energy to abtain a pleasurable experience. Sexual magic is black magic. (voodoo, witch potion and mummy curse are just nonsense) Another example is the Law of attraction practices. Although this is a mix in my opinion. It depends as how someone uses it. I'm a learner of the law of attraction myself. I think Teal Swan and Bentinho massaro have good teachings about it. But of course one has to find out oneself of what black or white magic is and not read what others say. Some say it is using it to hurt others or help other. But the definition above is what some occultists and theosophy believe so it fits in this article. Visualizing and attracting a house or car to oneself is a good definition of "application of spiritual force with a selfish or material aim" LaVey's Satanism encouraging the practice of magic to aid one's selfish ends. In The Satanic Bible, LaVey described three types of ritual in his religion: sex rituals designed to attract the desired romantic or sexual partner, compassionate rituals with the intent of helping people (including oneself), and destructive magic which seeks to do harm to others. Both sexual tantra and law of attraction is practiced in the new age movement and in Lavey satanism. No wonder that Anton Lavey says that the new agers practice "satans" work. They practice the same. Although new agers deny that there is anything bad about it. But not all in the new age movement practising this. And there is no reason to call them satanists either. Original Theosophy and other spiritual communities are against these practices. "Whenever any spiritual aspirant was found to be attempting to use spiritual or mental power to attract wealth, possessions, or material and personal fulfillment, he was expelled in disgrace from the temple, the monastery, the ashram, or the spiritual community." quote from this article: https://blavatskytheosophy.com/the-whitewashing-of-black-magic/ Although the new age movement may have come from the theosophical society. Its founders did not practice or advocate many things that the new age movement does. As for Aleister crowley. He became unstable of the spiritual influence he received from his occult practice and could not synthesise his spiritual attainment and harmonize his desires and became somewhat unhealthy. He had drug addictions. He tried to fix himself with heroin which made him even more crazy and unstable. One can question his actions and practices as many of them are probably "dark" although he himself i think was positive. I have not studied him so i cannot really give a good statement. If you trust channelings, then here is maybe a good description: https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?c=People&su=Aleister+Crowley#Aleister+Crowley If there is a dark occultist one can pinpoint on, then it is Michael Aquino of the temple of set. Theosophical movement is of course a mixture. In the time when the founders where alive, that is Helena blavatsky and William. q. judge. That society was a huge positive influence as they where some of the first that brought Eastern esotericism and spirituality (like karma and reincarnation) to Western culture. Things did not go that well for the society after their death. Especially when Charles leadbeater and Alice Bailey entered the game. Leadbeater a Bishop that tried to Catholicise Theosophy and destroyed the movement, or at least was the cause of splitting it in 4 different societies: Point loma, Pasadena, Ult and Adyar. Bailey put blavatskies original books out of print for decades and rewrote them in a christian friendly like style. Hence why their teaching are different. The teachings that were at the time of blavatsky are called theosophy. Leadbeater/baileys teachings are called pseudo-theosophy. Bailey was influenced by a Eastern black magician that she called her guru. The intent was to destroy the society from within through her. And Leadbeater did not give a shit appearantly. As they say he was a "paedophile, sex criminal against young boys, a chronic liar, fraud, and even a black magician" . Poor Krishnamurti. Although I still believe that it is not all black or white for these two, they probably in the grey (closer to the black maybe). I think the new age movement came out of pseudo theosophy and people don't know the difference between the original and the other. That's why blavatsky gets all the blame. I think that this question comes from a edge of wonder video titled law of attraction. Much of the info in the video about blavatsky came from a video on YouTube of Hans wilhelms Lucifer doctrine that they show a bit at the end. And Hans willhelm took the info about blavatsky from some article on the Internet. And they took out of their ass. Some better research could be good as to not point at the wrong people. But i still like the edge of wonder videos. Even if they believe that these people are "satanists" one cannot deny them of their individual opinion as i have mine.

I agree that everything is already said and done. All stories and all maya are already over in the end. Everything ends in peace. However, why do you want to keep going in the strangeloop (reincarnation)? That's why we have choice. Do you want to do well in this story?

I’m sorry but I have to let this out. I would like to believe that reincarnation is real, it’s an interesting idea to imagine that. But I’m just a piece of meat. When I die, I’m done. Why do we think we are a human beings? We are persons right now, but when we die that’s it we are no more. I do think we were just a happening in this existence/universe, and that’s okay with me. We are humans right now but that’s going to end. What? An ant will keep reincarnating as an ant? We only have this chance and that’s it, and it doesn’t matter. That ant will only be that ant, and when he dies he’s done. We are nothing, we’re not important. I think we think we are very important, many lives... this and that, etc. An ant is an ant only once. A human is only a human once. Or, please someone explain to me, are we going to be humans forever, reincarnation after reincarnation? Or were we an ant before, and evolved, nah, don’t think so. We’re so not important. No one has comeback from death and returned to tell you that life goes on. If they did they imagined it. But then, this:

@Maya_0 I didn't know that. So in reality it's not even actually reincarnation/incarnation? A new word is needed now. Infinite being through everything!

You're thinking about reincarnation the wrong way. You can't really think about it either, by the way, because the mind will start to pick out "individual people" and imagine that there is something tucked away within each individual that will find itself in another body given time. That is all misconception. Your question is fundamentally unanswerable because you have too many assumptions about the way reincarnation works, none of which are True.

(On Reincarnation / Nonduality)

Reincarnation implies that you have had past lives.

What is the difference between past lives and reincarnation?

If you assume that you were born and that you will die, then yes, there is reincarnation. If you engage in self-inquiry, you might not find that you were ever born in the first place.

What’s your view on reincarnation? Is it possible that I will be born as a zebra or another animal after I leave my physical body?

How come our default is unconsciousness? How can you tell which teachers speak the dharma vs bullshit? How can you believe in something like reincarnation with absolutely zero proof? Why should I start the journey when I know it’s insanely difficult and only a fraction of a minority actually reach the levels you discuss?

Yep. “My life” equaled that. Only the absolute would do. Hearing you loud and clear. I did the accumulation like a Boss, and gave literally all of it away. It’s not missed a bit. Let’s talk about your plan. I died for this. Please dispel my typical bullshit and jokes, that isn’t one. (It is too though?) Only you can awaken, everyone else already is. Chance is a farce. I’ve mentioned this lightly as it’s arrogant af sounding in type, but “I” meet with people, we talk, God creates, we create, ‘they’ awaken. If I am useful in your pursuit, use me. For me, you were always awake, and I was the last one to get the joke. Reincarnation, lifetimes, etc - tricky as they are both and neither the setup & punchline. Infinite Humor. Perpetual mindfuck. Perfection. “It” can’t be “gotten”, it’s not a content of thoughts, nor the thinker of thoughts, “it” is appearing as thoughts, and believing them, or recognizing “it” in them, as them. It’s entirely perfect, convincing itself it is otherwise - that that is “reality”. Perfect. The kick in the balls, is, it is you. Not “Absolute God You” - just you. Imagine a God of infinite magnitude and power, with the innocence & self awareness, yet thoughtlessness of a 1 year old. Now be mindful and honest within - how “grown up are you, really? What meaning has that? yours Make a distinction as such, create it, without identification, there is only absolute which appears to include a “distinction” and an “identification”... unconditional is as is, eternally, and remains undisturbed, un-contracted, uncontrolled, un-contorted, “delusion free”, indeed well known. Why, who, how? Me. Make the distinctions, with identification, and the Truth remains inconceivable, ungraspable, heartbreakingly just slightly out of reach - “physical”. Why, who, how? Me. You draw out the absolute mindfuck of direct experience. Once, age 16, a coked up, drunk 25 year old guy mistook me for someone else. Apparently, someone who did him very wrong. Long story short, couple weeks in the hospital, face stitched back together, and these days the only remnant of it is some admittedly rough sinus / ear issues, a handful of scars, and a God-load of compassion, appreciation & love for him. The moral of that story, in my direct experience - I do not know what anyone is thinking, feeling, nor experiencing - when I believe I do, vicariously but also truly not - “I” suffers. You might call this a great paradox of direct experience vs suffering. Nothing is what it seems, right down to the very last atom. Such is, with all things, unveiled “typically”, as self, nature, animals, people, object. The depth of our (“my”) overlays upon it are simply “deeper” than you’ve yet “been” / unconverted / inspected. Put incredibly short - kid asks his dad how God could allow Hitler, while his rated M video game is paused. Even more simply - you don’t know what death is. What you’re ‘missing’ is Awakening is total. There is no relative. This is something unlike all other thoughts, concepts, ideas. It is not conceivable, only “experienceable”, as what is without experience, and there is not then again, because there never was, experience. It’s “paper thin”, so much so there’s no paper at all, and one is basically forced to point with a term like paper thin. If “it” seems huge, direct experience brings it down to eye level, if properly inspected. Nice...tricky though...the statement “ignorance is bliss” is likely not made from the one in ignorance. We tend to suffer, under the assumption it’s part of physical reality, individuality. Separate self = suffering. In ‘personal sense’, I did not find it blissful, there was no foundation of sense at all. Now ‘i’ am entirely ignorant, and it is indeed bliss. Then be effortless, without friction and confusion. Let all go. Can’t? Inspect that can’t. Inspect “the one” who can’t. Something to ponder, awakening that which is unlimited, is not done via limits. Create your awakening, drop any limitation on formulating such a plan. It is worth everything.

OK, I wonder if any of you guys have gone through the website, "Unveiled Secrets and Messengers of light". Most of what they state resonates with me but there is a particular paragraph which has been intellectually disturbing me for a long time and I have not yet reached the required state of enlightenment to verify this statement. The webpage is here: https://unveiledsecretsandmessagesoflight.blogspot.com/2009/10/johnakan-ur-el-17mar2000.html Please allow me to quote the relevant paragraph in this topic: "Interlocutor: Another of the questions I have scheduled, is if the human spirit evolves from the unicellular animals, going through the mineral Kingdom, then the vegetable Kingdom, later on the animal Kingdom and finally as a man. Johnakan Ur-El: The spirits embody in the whole matter of the universe, but - and this is important to clarify it-, “transmigration of the soul” doesn't exist. What exists is reincarnation of the soul, a completely different concept. There is a tendency of Buddhism . And I spoke personally to my brother Siddhartha. which was misinterpreted. Interlocutor: Even at the present time? Johnakan Ur-El: Correct, the Tibetan Buddhism even at the present time keeps using it mistakenly. The animal spirit evolves as animal. The vegetable spirit evolves as vegetable. The mineral spirit evolves as mineral. The human spirit evolves as human. That is, it doesn't change, for example, from a goat to a man. This sounds beautiful because there is a fable that tells the story of how a goat becomes man, but reality is different. The transmigration of the souls doesn’t exist, I repeat, but the reincarnation of the souls. Interlocutor: The human spirit never embodied in a unicellular being , for example. Johnakan Ur-El: No, the human spirit embodied directly in a man or a woman, and it will always evolve as a man or a woman, as well as the animal embodies in an animal and it will continue evolving as animal. This doesn't mean an evolutionary stagnation, because the current chimpanzee is much more evolved than the chimpanzee of two million years ago..........." OK, the question is, then why I have not been created as a cockroach or an elephant? And what about the soul of a cockroach? (I am purposely using this example because most humans as far as I am concerned detest cockroaches!) So is creation unfair? Does the soul or spirit of a virus or bacteria have no chance to embody into a human body in a distant future to attain enlightenment? I have read Hindu and Buddhist scriptures with regards to this and they generally state that all creatures will eventually attain enlightenment or be embodied into a human form. There is a popular saying in Hinduism that it takes about 8 million years for a simple bacteria to embody into a human body. Of course, I am aware that the time taken could be longer or shorter as well. I love to hear your thoughts on this. This paragraph which I have quoted at the beginning of this thread has been bothering me for a long time. Thank you.

The passage of the story you quoted doesn’t address that. I suppose we could imagine things and add it into the piece of the story above. Or perhaps one could contact the author of the story to see what he imagines. If we assume that there is a thing called enlightenment that is good and we assume that there are some beings that do not have access to this goodness and we assume that such beings are lesser, then I would say yes, it is unfair. According to the story you posted from Johnakan, no chance. According to the story you cite from Hindu and Buddhist scriptures, yes chance. Cool stuff. I like stories about reincarnation and souls. Sometimes I imagine each being is a pod exploring earth and all of our souls are connected to one Mothership. As pods break down and die, they get recycled into new pods. In one sense, it isn’t unfair since all pods are the Mothership. Yet if one assumes that pods are different, some pods are better, and one is restricted to a certain pod fate for eternity, then that would be unfair. It’s essentially saying there is a “me” that got stuck with a crappy fate for eternity.