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Someone has asked me to speak about the dream state versus the waking state. So I'll mumble a few words about those things: First of all, to a Jnani, to a Sage, there's no dream state and there's no waking state. None of those exists for the Sage. But for the ajnani there appears to be a dream state and a waking state. And the remarks that are made is this: "The waking state appears to be long. It appears to go on forever. But the dream state ends." And as a matter of fact, you have about eight, nine dreams a night. You usually only remember the last one. So how can I say that the waking state is a dream state also? Well, let's look at it this way. In what you call the dream state, you were born, you go to school, you get older, time passes, you get married, you have a job, you grow older, you're eighty-five years old and you start declining. This is the dream that you're having. Now, if I came into your dream state and I told you, "You're dreaming. You're not really eighty-five years old and you were never born and none of this has ever happened." You would throw rocks at me. And you'd say, "What are you talking about? A century has nearly gone by. I remember when I was a little boy or a little girl and now I'm an old lady or an old man and I've got cancer. And you're telling me, this is a dream?" You wouldn't believe me. I tell you, do not concern yourself with your cancer or your state of eighty-five years old. Do not concern yourself with what's going on in your life. Rather, look within yourself for reality. Find reality and everything will take care of itself. Again you'll throw rocks at me. You don't want to hear anything like this. You say, "I've gone through all kinds of experiences in my life. And you're trying to tell me it's a dream? You can't fool me, this is not a dream, this is real!" Look I could even pinch you and you'll say, "Ow!" But then I say, "Remember, this is a dream pinch! It's all a dream." But you still won’t believe me. Then when I leave, you awaken. You awaken to this dream state. This state, what you call the waking state. And the dream is all gone, it's all finished, like it never existed. And you laugh. You were never born in the dream, you never went to school in the dream. You never got married in the dream. You never became eighty-five years old in the dream. You never had cancer in the dream. You've awakened to this state! Yet you say, "This state is longer." It's longer because you're having the dream, that's all! Remember when I was in your dream, when you were eighty-five years old? To you it was a long dream. You went through many experiences. You went through eighty-five years of experiences and they all seemed very valid to you. Yet it happened in a split second. It happened in a split second, all the years, the experi-ences, the cancer. It happened in a split second and you awake, you awaken to this state. This state is the same thing. This is also a dream state. Not any different than the dream state that you dream at night. Same thing! It's only another dream. And you will only understand this when you awaken! A person is no longer in the dream state, no longer in the waking state, they're in a state of sahaja samadhi between the waking and dream state. There is really no state for a person like that. But to the ajnani, he believes that a Sage is in the waking state like they are. How do you get out of this, the dream business? How do you transcend those both states? Simply by going beyond them, you go beyond the dream state by realizing that when you react to conditions, to person, place or thing, you are perpetuating the dream. You can tell where you are by the way you react to life. If you believe that your body's getting older, that you're a person, that you have problems, you react to life's conditionings, then you're caught up in the dream, just like any dream at night. All kinds of conditions befall you and you believe it's real and you react to them. As long as you react to them you will never get out of it. You feel angry, you feel fear, you believe something is wrong some place. Then you can never get out of the dream. In other words, you'll go from one dream to the next. This is called reincarnation. It's one dream after the other dream. It never ends. You take on body after body after body, always dreaming, always reacting, always believing something is wrong, something is right, something is good, something is bad. And again, as long as you believe this, you'll never get out of it. So the way to get out of it completely is to realize that there is an observer who observes both states. The observer observes both states, the dream state and the so called, waking state. Now remember this is for the ajnani. For the Sage nothing like this exists. For the ajnani, you have to think to yourself, "Who is the observer? Who created this?" in other words, "Who made all this up? Who created the so called dream state and the waking state?" And if you think real carefully, it's our old friend Ishvara, the god of karma. Ishvara has been playing with his leela again. You tell Ishvara to stop playing with his leela and he won't listen. He's feeling these states. Ishvara, for some of you who don't know who he is, he's a personal god that you have created out of your mind. When you believe that you are a body, then you created god in your own image, and we call this god, Ishvara, the god of karma. It is he who dictates all these things, what's going to happen, what karma you're going through, how many lives you're going to live. Now, here's the secret, if you get rid of Ishvara, it'll be finished. You'll be free!You've got to kill Ishvara. Ishvara has to be removed, totally and completely then you'll be totally and completely free! How do you kill Ishvara? By laughing in his face "Who are you? Where do you come from? You can't frighten me any longer. I no longer accept you. You're part of my mind, my imagination. You're part of my false imagination! You do not exist!"Now, I bet some of you here are afraid to do something like this because you think you are insulting god. What kind of god are you insulting? A god that you made up your-self! You created this god. Where else would he come from? Is there a god up in the sky looking down at you throwing lightening bolts, saying, "You're a good boy, you're a bad girl! I'm going to punish you. I'm going to reward you." Do you know some of you really believe this? Yes, while I'm talking to you, some of you really accept this. And you're afraid to get rid of this God. But can't you see this very god is keeping you in bondage! It's this very god that makes you take on new bodies, makes you believe that you're a person, with problems. It is this very god that makes you worry about your body or about your finances, concern yourself with the world situation. And this god laughs while you cry! You're concerned about this. You're concerned about that. You're concerned about everything. Only when the god is removed will you become free It's up to you to remove this god. You've got to do it, nobody can do it but you. This is not blasphemy. Blasphemy is when you're believ-ing that the Self that can hurt you. When you believe in problems, when you believe some-thing is wrong, that's blasphemy!But it is virtually impossible for anything to be wrong for this whole universe the whole world is consciousness. The whole universe is consciousness. It has absolutely noth-ing to do with gods or goddesses, or karma or reincarnation or dreams. These things are part of human thinking. When you realize you're no longer human, they disappear. You must become inhuman. It is up to you to do this.You have to ask yourself the right questions. Many of you are afraid to question yourself. You're afraid that god is watching you and you'll be punished. Yet, some of you actually believe this. But I say to you from direct experience, there's no god at all any-where in the universe that can punish you or wants to punish you or has tried to punish you. If there's a god that exists, he's too busy screwing up the world to think of you! (laughter) What big egos some of us have, we think god is looking at us, judging us. We're so important, we're being judged, by an anthropomorphic God some place up in the sky. We're so important, aren't we? That this mighty god is punishing us personally for being bad little boys and girls. Get rid of all this, once and for all! Remove it from your mind! Empty your mind totally of this kind of thinking.There is only pure awareness, absolute reality and that is you right now! Right this moment! Don't think about it, just be it! Do not attempt to analyze what I'm saying or try to figure it out in any way, just be it! What I'm talking about you can only be. You can't think about it. When you begin to think about it, the truth about the matter disappears. Then you get caught in the body, in a thinking body. Yet, there's no time or space for any thoughts to exist. For time and space themselves do not exist. So where can you think? There's no place for you to think. For the thoughts have to move. And there is no room for thoughts. But what I'm telling you is that you're absolutely free right now. Absolutely liberated right this minute. You are. You are the entire universe right now. You who was never born, can never die. You are the one, right now! This very moment! Feel it! There is nothing else. How wonderful it is to be totally free. Free of praying to gods for your salvation. Free of thinking of a body that needs care or you have lack or limitation some place in your life. Be free of this kind of thinking. I know some of you are saying, "Well, it's okay for him to say that. But the doctor told me I got cancer. I got AIDS. And I have no funds in the bank. My wife or husband left me." Who are you talking about? You're not talking about the real Self, that you are! You're talking about somebody who doesn't exist! You're speaking of a dream person! That's here today and gone tomorrow! You're not speaking of the Self. Wake up! Try to understand what I'm saying to you. You are the god! You are the Brahman. You are the Self. Stop thinking of yourself as a mortal being, once and for all. Stop it! Cut it out! Behave yourself! Wake Up! Know who you are. Change your mind. Lift it up from this nonsensical thinking, and allow the mind to think in the heart. The heart will open up as a rose does with its calyx to the sun. And you will begin to laugh in joy and ecstasy, that you are the one. The one that is beyond time and space The one that is beyond reality, beyond causation. You are that one. Awaken to it, now. Wake up! Don't just sit there like a lump of manure, wake up! Who do you think you are? You are the god, remember this always. The only god that exists! There is no other god but you. Robert Adams, T235: Get Out Of The Dream Business

I recently made a video about this...please check it out: https://youtu.be/y8lOCItMQB0 Nonduality does not exclude past lives and reincarnation, but often spiritual seekers build and reinforce the illusion of "me" through past lives. Ultimately, there is no "me"...the Self is all there is.

Every thought is an added layer. Layers implying twoness in a variety of ways. If you’re aim is nonduality, then weed out any and all twoness thought patterns, by scrutinizing them at more intense, and yet more subtle and loving, levels. If one has a soul, there are two. The one, and the would which it has. There was said to be electricity & magnetism, then electromagnetism. There was said to be space & time, then spacetime. Human thought makes twoness. Awareness of thought, scrutiny, and all is reducible. “I realize nonduality means all is one”...write different perspectives of this on your board, work it out, reduce it. What is that if there’s no I...if there’s no meaning...if there’s no nonduality...if there’s no all...if there’s no saying of this...if there’s no recipient...? Direct experience...you have it. Question it. Derive your answers from it. ?? You know thoughts about reincarnation. What else about it is in your direct experience, right now, here and now in this moment, not in a thought?

How about we stop with all that gibberish/pseudo-profundity and just give understandable/non-BS answers. Reincarnation is not a 100% proven thing, yet there is some really good evidence that indicates some kind of "thread" that goes through lifetimes. If you are interested in that, search for Dr. Ian Stevenson's lectures on youtube. Now lets come to your question: How is reincarnation compatible with non-duality. Again, there is no definite proof out there, in fact different traditions/teachers will tell you different stories about that. Yet there seems to be a middle ground where most traditions come together and it basically goes like this: When your body dies, your brain dies. When your brain dies, your personality/ego dies. So thats gone. Yet there is some kind of "karmic structure"(yogi-term) or "soul"(christian term) that "looks for a new body" after your current one bites the dust. In this structure, all your previous life experiences are perserved and this actually influences which "new body" "you" are choosing. Godhead is overflowing with creative energy, so it constantly spits out new "karmic structures" that go on their adventures through serveral lifetimes, until one day, they return by realizing their true nature. Its still all one thing, it just creates a cosmic dance out of itself. Again, I dont know if this is true - but it seems to be possible.

Hi @Nahm, thanks for your reply, yet I'm not sure what you're trying to say... I do realize nonduality means all is one, but reincarnation is still something we/I/God experience, or not? Could you please elaborate more on this? I'd really like to understand. Thanks!

Of course. . . Notice how you said "whether the concept of karma is true or not". This sets up a duality in which karma must be "true or false". The mind is conditioned to see in opposites and believes a "thing" like karma must be either "true" or "false". Yet it gets much more nuanced. Karma can have aspects of truth and falsity. Karma/reincarnation can be both true and false. . . As well, there are many ways that we can define karma and reincarnation. By holding a view that karma/reincarnation must be either true or false forces the mind into fully accepting or fully rejecting karma / reincarnation. This will prevent a mind from expanding and exploring nuances. I agree with you that there are stories of karma / reincarnation that egos use to rationalize their own devilish behavior. Yet this is true for everything - the ego will use stories of science, psychology, god, the weather, history etc. to further it's own selfish agenda. This gets into the relativity of meaning. All meaning is relative. Assigning meaning can provide grounding for a person and it can be helpful for the person to survive and live a healthy life. Yet at a deeper existential level, meaning is relative. The duality between meaning vs. meaningless breaks down. Meaning = Meaningless. . . This can seem very groundless to a person and cause distress - yet it is also liberating and beautiful.

@Serotoninluv I understand this is of a dualistic paradigm, but to the point of your second paragraph. It's easy to see how that perspective can lead to complacency in regards to activism and for those that could help, but don't. It also reminds me of how similar that perspective is to the misguided christian justification of slavery. That black people had to pay for the sins of their ancestors, etc. I will say , however, Leo says to be radically open-minded. And if something makes someone feel uncomfortable to analyze and look deeper in a non-judgmental manner. Which brings me to the concept of karma and reincarnation. I admit I am ignorant to this concept. I need to look deeper into the evidence of this via direct experience and knowledge. But, I do believe whether the concept of karma works in the described way or not, that it can be co-opted by the ego to justify devilry, as the example I provided regarding the misguided christian justification of slavery.

@WisdomSeeker There are many different ways to look at this is a relative context. The tendency is to try and find the one relative story that is objectively true. Imo, this will lead to a lot of confusion. If we look from different perspectives, contradictory stories will arise and there will be paradoxes. This used to frustrate me and I'd throw up my hands and say "Well, they both can't be true. Which story is true?". Yet as dualities dissolve, there is an ok-ness with contradiction and paradox. The frustration of paradox becomes beautiful freedom. One perspective to your question is the perspective of reincarnation and karma. Perhaps the people that are living in servitude and religious dogma are living out karmic pasts. Perhaps their purpose in this lifetime is not to fully awaken, yet rather to work through some karma such that in the next lifetime the being has a better chance of fully awakening. It is sorrowful that a person is living in such a negative karmic state and it is also beautiful that this being is so loving that they are working through this karmic resistance to pass on purer karmic energy to the future life. . . This is just one perspective. Perhaps it has some truth to it. Some beings might resonate with this perspective and explore it further. Other beings will not resonate with this perspective and will dismiss it.

@Serotoninluv It is getting complicated, so I will try and make it as simple as possible and cut out the complexity. We are all One. There is but Love in this world, everything else is illusion. It is Love that binds us together and connects us. Hate and mistrust, on the other hand, separates us. When we Love, we unite and become One. In Unity, there is diversity, yet, there is no separation, because we exist in a continuum, all unique in our own way, but we also have points of connection, where we merge into each other and it is no longer possible to tell where one of us starts and the other ends. It is at these connection points that various forms of love manifest, depending on the kind of relationship we have with one another. This could be friendship, neighbourliness, kindness, familial love, romantic love, etc... But, the highest form of love is divine love, which is love for all. All other forms of love are pale reflections of the real thing and in our lives, what we ultimately seek is divine love, expressed through unity consciousness. All throughout our lives, we seek connection and meaning. Even our various addictions are a desperate search to find, meaning, connection and unity. What we ultimately all want is to love and be loved. The forces inherent in the illusory mirror world that we're lost in pull us away from each other. Our memory of our divine nature and what it means to be ONE is what draws us closer together. When we serve the forces of Unity and Love, we move the whole world closer together to its ultimate source. Fear of unity and the insecurities that come with it are what fuel hate and separation. Our ultimate destiny is to regain unity consciousness and to reintegrate our souls into a greater whole, from which we consciously separate ourselves every waking moment of our lives, even in our sleep and as reincarnation proves, even in our death. We are consciously resisting drifting back into unity by constantly building and maintaining barriers between us and others. Reversing that requires letting go and not doing, in other words, stopping the conscious and constant sabotage of our own happiness and bliss. When we let go of the ego, our fears, insecurities, hatred and all other separational emotions and consciousness vehicles, that is when the bliss of infinity and nothingness, of unbound love and unadulterated joy becomes our reality. Because at this moment, we are filled with light, some refer to this re-emergence of unity consciousness as enlightenment.

@Dumuzzi I follow what you are saying, but I'm not sure if anyone can ever explain to me who or what gets reincarnated, and what it means to break that, as opposed to living out several more lifetimes. I don't remember other lifetimes anyway , unless you count the thousands I have in my dreams at night. Who is bound to the material world? Can @seeking_brilliance escape that, while @mandyjw remains? What's the difference? Who is tied down here? surely not absolute self, so who? @seeking_brilliance will die one day anyway, so what's it to him if he is reborn or not? He won't remember anyway. Or is this story about reincarnation just a fun theory to give us something to do? haha I'm just being obstinate this morning. It'll pass.

If you play into the story, then yes, it is exclusive and impossible for every human to be enlightened, at least in one lifetime. (that's another thing you have to consider, if you like the story of reincarnation, is that you are trying to have everyone saved in one lifetime). But if you step outside of the apparent story which has been playing out for millenia, there is no one to be enlightened, there are no one suffering, all is perfect and at peace. Also, don't forget that many of the unconscious stories playing out are catalysts for your own awakening. Everyone has their part in this Play. Many identify with the roles and feel suffering.

(June 2018 video) Here's the click bait story, the headline according to the Today how , Australia choose to headline it on their youtube site Dalai Lama starts eating pizza during interview When we look at the the interview in the beginning there was no pizza around. They brought out the pizza and asked him to try it but if you look at the headline they make it seem like it was his idea Then there is a break in the interview and they show another clip where they brought him a pizza and told him it was "one with everything". This is variation an old joke usually > Q. What did the Buddhist monk say to the hot dog vendor? A. Make me one with everything. He takes the hotdog and gives his money. When the vendor accepts his money without saying anything, the Buddhist asks about his change."Change comes from within," says the vendor. Would this same reporter be trying to joke around with props the pope? I doubt it. Then aft the Dalai Lama plays along and takes a bite out of it you here the reporter say "I wouldn' t eat it" (apparently turned off by the knowledge that it was a vegetarian pizza) Anyway the Dalai Lama does have a sense of humor. However despite the reporter says "one with everything" a few times hoping that the Dali Lama would get the joke he does not seem to. At the end of the interview the Dali Lama hugs him and whispers something in his ear. Later this reporter, Karl Stefanovic is sitting with his fellow anchors and one asks him what the Dali Lama said. He has to be asked twice and then he says the Dalai Lama said "we might be one with everything" . Do you believe that's what he said? I suspect it was something else and he still didn't get the joke and it was what it looked like a second fail. This same idiot reporter tried the exact same joke on him way back in 2011 and the Dai Lama didn't get it then either because he probably does not recognize "one with everything" as a stereotypical expression This is an entertaining thread but also irritating to see the lack of respect. Excuse my for the triviality of this yet even dumb mini interviews with fools, guards can go down and something heavier might skip in The reporter in his introduction says "he kindly agreed to sit down and have another chat with us and I thought I'd had a few things about him I found out he's got a fear of flying we found out his thoughts on women replacing him and how much he's enjoying his retirement from political life" In the interview Stefanovic brings up out of the blue to the Dali Lama "so you were a nervous flyer" the Dalai Lama says: (excerpts) > no, in early period yes there's some turbulence, then come some water here (points to palms referring to sweat) .... nowadays not much.... the other day other night from Singapore to Sydney on one occasion (with hands gesturing turbulent flapping motion of plane) quite serious over city< some people shouting but then O.K.... so that's good well I think (it's a ) reminder, our life is not very sure how long will remain, as a Buddhist practitioner it is important to think about impermanence every day every moment Stefanovic: especially on a plane, the worry is that if the Dali Lama is worried about flying on the plane then all of us should be worried. _________________________________________________ Interestingly the reporter, Karl Stefanovic instead of waiting for a reaction by the Dalai Lama to " all of us should be worried." he changes the topic. We can learn from fools he actually did ask a profound question here amidst the jokes and irreverence. I think he may have been wondering if the apparent "head" of Buddhism was afraid of death and if he wasn't maybe he could overcome his own fear of death and perhaps he also gets nervous on planes sometimes. And then when he found out that the Dali Lama himself was nervous on planes (at least used to be) he may have thought "I thought maybe meditation would help me overcome my fear of death but if the Dalai Lama has only become used to recently it is probably due to desensitization and not meditation and renunciation, what relief now I don't have to waste my time with that stuff" And as soon as he found out that the Dali Lama had had sweaty palms about flying he didn't want to hear anything further about how he might try to address the issue of "worry" . So you see the title of this mini interview is Dalai Lama starts eating pizza during interview but the real title would be if the Dali Lama is worried about flying on the plane then all of us should be worried (and Buddhism discredited) But is the Dalai Lama really the pinnacle of Buddhist practice? He was groomed to be a leader not specifically to be the foremost embodiment of the practice Sometimes people ask him if he is enlightened and he says he isn't. He was asked if he knew any enlightened people. He replied that he was not aware of anyone sufficiently advanced that could be referred to as enlightened. Whatever the case may be he seems to be a very nice person with a good sense of humor and advocate of compassion ________________________________________________ How was the Dalai Lama selected? The current Dalai Lama was enthroned when he was 4 ½ years old and renamed Tenzin Gyatso. The search for him began soon after the 13th Dalai Lama died. Disciples closest to the Dalai Lama set to identify signs indicating the location of his rebirth. There are usually predictions about where and when a Dalai Lama will be reborn, but further tests and signs are required to ensure the proper child is found. In the case of the 13th Dalai Lama, after his death, his body lay facing south. However, after a few days his head had tilted to the east, and a fungus, which was viewed as unusual, appeared on the northeastern side of the shrine containing the body. This was interpreted to mean that the next Dalai Lama could have been born somewhere in the northeastern part of Tibet. Disciples also checked Lhamoi Latso, a lake that is traditionally used to see visions of the location of the Dalai Lama’s rebirth. The district of Dokham, which is in the northeast of Tibet, matched all of these signs. A 2-year-old boy, named Lhamo Dhondup, was just the right age for a reincarnation of the 13th Dalai Lama, based on the time of his death. When the search party, consisting of the 13th Dalai Lama’s closest monastic attendants, arrived at his house, there were immediate signs that this was the one they were looking for. Dalai Lama memoirs The 14th Dalai Lama recounts in his memoirs about his early life that he remembered recognizing one of the monks in the search party, even though he was dressed as a servant. The search party did not show who they were to the villagers, to prevent any manipulation of the process. As a little boy, he remembers asking for the rosary beads the monk wore around his neck. These beads were previously owned by the 13th Dalai Lama. After this meeting, the search party came back again to test the young boy with further objects of the previous Dalai Lama. He was able to correctly choose all items including a drum used for rituals and walking stick

@Mikael89 yes... but can you get out of this cycle of death and birth? can you be an audience to the play instead of being the one in the play? then death, to you, will just be credits rolling on the current show and reincarnation will be the intro of the new show. you are only ever watching the shows

I remember Leo talking in one of his videos that he likes to explore the deepest and most conscious teacherings and understanding's that are humanly possible... and it recently reminded me of this, especially because of how far Leo has come since making that statement and just in his journey in general. The ascended masters are suppose to have reached a level of consciousness where they was able to be immortal - i'm not sure if this was through reincarnation or they managed to keep their body somehow, but it'd be interesting to know what it takes to get there, even just in theory. They're briefly spoken about here at 21:16 Here's two other videos about them.

100 years is nothing compared to infinity/bliss that you will be with real death if there is no reincarnation which I believe there is not when you are fully awake and do not want to return here... Why do you want to die now and not wait it out to see how it plays out?

@Aaron p Reincarnation?

@arlin Different traditions have different "flavors" of enlightenment. Not all paths lead to the same experience of enlightenment. Ken Wilber co-wrote an interesting book in which they studied enlightened masters from various traditions. Dont totally dismiss nihilism though. It must be passed through on the way to subjugating the ego when you realize there is no objective purpose or meaning. Then you must realize the profundity of your subjective values and meaning, and choose them carefully so they can guide you through life. The opinion that no subjective experience persists after the body is dead is sectarian dogma. Other traditions state that the Atman/True Self incarnates into this life to learn and evolve through struggle and then continues after this incarnation for eternal evolution. You could put three enlightened people in a room and they could all disagree. Your belief on this matter is important and should be considered carefully. One is going to live their life differently if they think nothing in this life matters or if everything in this life will impact your eternal evolution and no time in this life should be wasted. Some traditions you can study on this topic to get various angles on it are Yoga, Tantra, Kabbalah, and the Occult. Even within each tradition, opinions vary widely. One thing I consider is Ian Stevenson's studies on reincarnation show that reincarnation is mostly likely to be true.

Good Afternoon All, Death is not final. There is overwhelming evidence that reincarnation exists. Study after study, book after book, case after case have shown that children, ages between 2 and 6 have shown they can recall a past life in such great detail with evidence that it is undeniable. Past life regression. Put in hundreds of hours of research and you will agree. Google how they find the New Dalai Lama once the current one passes to the beyond. Mind Blowing. Best Regards, Mo Grand - Less Is Being More

Indeed. If death is not final, it’s only an idea of a finality, which means reincarnation, is also an idea.

What is a thought? What is mine? What is yours? Who is the owner of thoughts and facts? What is a collective consciousness? What is empathy? What is expansion? We often have assumptions about what words mean without even realizing it. Contemplating these questions at an existential level can lead to insights. There is an underlying energy motivating you to keep returning to the forum. There is something here for you. I don't know what that is, yet I encourage you to be open to it. Sometimes during growth there is a "pull" toward something, yet we can't quite put our finger on it. During my path, there have been times when I could tell there was a "something", yet I didn't quite know what that "something" was. . . For example, when I first joined the forum I was very scientifically-minded. I've been trained as a scientist for entire adult life. When people spoke non-scientifically it seemed like irrational "woo woo" stuff. Paranormal, Spirits, Reincarnation, Past lives, Noah's Ark, Magic was all airy fairy nonsense. . . When I came across Leo, I knew there was something different about him, yet I didn't know what it was. He understood science and could communicate logically/rationally, yet there was also something else beyond science/logic/rationality that got me curious. . . I remember we got into a conversation about "What is intelligence"? I had a very scientific/logical view on intelligence and tried to tell Leo what intelligence is. Leo kept pressing down on my definition. I became aware that he was aware of something I was unaware of. Yet I didn't know what it was. That question of "What is intelligence" kept appearing in my mind over and over. During walks in nature, while cooking, in the shower. . . "What is intelligence?". Then I really wanted to know. That opened up the door. I started genuinely asking "What is intelligence?" to Leo and I got some breadcrumbs as I got stuck. Then new insights arose. This was one of the events that helped me transcend my scientific paradigm. Importantly, there was some deeper desire to keep returning to the forum. In hindsight, I now know it wasn't to convince Leo and others what Intelligence is - the deeper desire was that I wanted to find that "something" I knew deep down I was missing and could sense that others had. . . I don't know what your question is, yet my sense is that there is a deeper "something" happening here and that you may find - beneath the surface of thought stories of democrats vs republicans. If so, it is much more magnificent than the thought stories at the surface. The fish below the waves are extraordinary.

Pretty good presentations in the previous videos. Reincarnation was mentioned and I became curious about what ACIM says about reincarnation and found: "M-24.1. In the ultimate sense, reincarnation is impossible. 2 There is no past or future, and the idea of birth into a body has no meaning either once or many times. 3 Reincarnation cannot, then, be true in any real sense." - https://acourseinmiraclesnow.com/course-miracles-manual-teachers-24-reincarnation/ Now it gets tricky for me. My theory says that there is only the present moment and that the past is information in the now. So the past is actually real, not in the sense of an actual dimension, but real as in real information in the now. With my theory there can be reincarnation in the form of information. Personally I do NOT think I have had a previous life, but I do believe it's possible to tap into past lives of people who have lived throughout history, kind of like accessing a form of Akashic record. The tricky part is that my theory seems to disagree with ACIM which says that there is no past or future. I need to look deeper into what ACIM means by that. If it means that the past doesn't exist as something outside of the present moment, then ACIM and my theory are in agreement.

I'm going to be the Lone Wolf here and state the fact that Leo is wrong. Reincarnation is a concept that was made up by man then solidified through the minds of those who've meditated over the years and so now it is a phenomenon one can experience through meditation. But it is by no means accurate

It doesn't work like that. Your life right now is a consequence of an infinitely long and complex chain of events. Everything and everyone is your past reincarnation, for you're not an individual in the most fundamental level... you're the Universe itself living through many forms. I'll give you an example. Suppose that the father of a small boy commits suicide and the experience is so traumatic that the boy grows mentally disturbed. What if that disturbed adult has a child? It's very likely that the child will grow under the toxic influence of his/her disturbed father. And nobody in this tragic story is a reincarnation of someone in particular. Rather, they're all the same Entity living different perspectives, thinking that they are individuals.

Spiral Dynamics Stage Turquoise gone from Youtube? Leo, why is your video gone? I am getting worried. I think this video is very deep and profound, why would the youtube remove it? I am glad I did take notes from it, your newest video "Launching On Patreon" talking about getting banned from youtube makes sense now. Here is my notes from your video: We are beginning to see the entire universe as a holographically interlinked network of energy and information, organically whole and self-referential at all scales of existence - Ervin Laszlo Out Beyond ideas of wrong-doing and right-doing there is a field. Ill meet you there -Rumi A samadhi beats an orgasm every time -Unknown Turquoise is T2 Magnificence of being and existence really starts to flower. T2 and Turquoise is beyond survival, beyond ego, beyond fear, beyond idealogy, beyond politcal parties, beyond racial affiliations or anything like that. Moving into self transcedence and selfless living. People on stages in spiral belives people on other stages in spiral are insane or deluded. Blue - Yellow growth = 1%. Turquoise is where 99% of the work starts. Physical reality will start to disolve - everything you thought were obvious about the world. At Turqoise you are ready to jailbreak the mind and discover what is beyond the mind. Science never really tells you how you should apply this in your life and what you can do with this which this to actually develop yourself Science boils down to quantification and measurements. (Measuring reality with a ruler, in verious form and writing down the data) Very big perspective of what life is about Not about me becoming rich, famous or successful. Or fighthing for some political cause for my little group. Not about saving the whales, a hierarchy, a civilization. Its about getting all of mankind to awaken to the magnificence of existence. To which most of mankind is utterly asleep. (Most people have not met a turquoise human being, they excist but are very rare) Essence of Turquoise Collectivist (different from green, Manifesting the self for the benefit of existential reality,life) • Holistic • Global collectivist • Self transcendent • To experience the wholeness of existence through mind and spirit The world is seen as a single dynamic organism with its own collective mind. Everything connects to everything else, alot of boundaries break down and there are alot of ecological alignments. The universe is alive and intelligent. Its not a dumb clockwork machine. • Interesting in building a human communtiy based on mystical wisdom. (the deepest wisdom that is possible to access for mankind) • Interested in cooparate action for elevating the consciousness of mankind • Turqoise is a synthesis of the left and right brain, east and west science and religion, mind, body, spirit and heart. All of it coming togheter to function very smoothly and effortlessly for the benefit of all of life and of consciousness. • People at turquoise usually become gurus, sages, teachers, leaders, visionaries, healers and clairvoyance When does Turquoise emerge? • With realization that yellow has that it alone no matter how much it models and understands stuff it cannot solve the worlds problems just through its systemic understanding • When yellow starts to see the consciouseness unifies everything and everyone. The idea that consciousness is central. All verious problems mankind have all boils down to consciousness • When Yellow starts to see very deeply the limits of thinking and modeling and the scientific method, reason and logic. Ready to go beyond the mind • When yellow starts to realize that all of the answers and understanding that it has developed so far has not been the ultimate answer. • Emerges with very serious spiritual practice • Turquoise is a flowering of mysticism. • With the transcendence of your ego • Awereness of Maya The dream that we are in, when you start to realize that whats happening in here is a game, its a virtual simulation, its a hallucination, there is nothing tangible about whats happening right here or about this body. All the ways that the mind deludes us and creates these very solid seeming tangible illusions. • When Yellow realize the mind and the undersanding of it self does not bring happiness • Shift from learning about stuff to being one with the many Turquoise Values • Consciousness • Truth - Existensial and metaphysical • Deep metaphysical insights • Metaphysics • Wisdom / Wisdom of nature Wisdom is not something just human beings have, its inherent to all of reality because the boundary between human beings and reality starts to break • Mysticism, spirituality and non-duality, god and divinity God and divinity are very different ideas from at blue. (blue=bearded anthropomorphic bearded man in the clouds, This right here is God. God is consciousness. • Holism, integration and synthesis vs analysis (interconnect) • Left and right brain synthesis • Honesty, transparancy and radical authenticity • Being. vs knowing, doing and having. • Simplicity, flowing with nature, effortless plesureable life • Minimalist sustainable living, collaborative syngergy, human wellness • Healing, the physical, emotional and spiritual dimension • Exploring altered states of consciousness • Intuiton, channeling or direct downloads from infinite intelligence • Supernatural degrees of creativity • Supernatural visionary (see connections that mankind will not see yet), • Spiritual purification • Awakening, transendence, libeartion, unconditional love, compassion for all, emotional mastery, presence, mindfullness, paradox, esoteric teachings, gratitude, unity, deeper and deeper levels of interconnectedness, selfless living, sacrificing the self for greater consciousness of the whole, meditation, yoga, contemplation, self-inquiry. • Not knowing and humility, spontaneity, playfulness and self-amusement • Tends to be light hearted Ego is the heavy hearted with fears and problems • The really big picture Distinct Turquoise with Green • Real mysticism vs new-agey faddish spiritual practices Casual meditation vs at turquoise you start to have industrial levels of meditation and contemplation • Turquoise is informed by direct non-dual experiences rather than beliefs and ideas. • Embraces global collectivism without attacking the individual like green did • Turquoise is consciuouss of the spiral and is a spiral wizard. • Not as triggered by injustices. • There is acceptance from deep understanding of intolerance, conflict, war, violence, greed and evil. (where as green just reacting against them, against orange greed and materialism, turqiouese understands thats life, how the ego evolves. Its not because they are bad, its because they are a treat to you(ego)) • Avoids mob mentality that comes with green. • Awareness of ego and there is more mindfullness and presence in turquoise • More emotional mastery than green • Non reactive and detached vs green was very reactive and attached • Effective solving large problems vs getting togheter and talk/protest. Characteristics of Turquoise • Turquoise sees the human race as a single organism Everything is connected. Sees the dissolution of the physical boundaries between self and other. Such that you can no longer differntiate between your physical body, the universe and your enemies. (there is no difference between you and coffee table) • Use the world as interlinked causes and effects in interacting fields of energy. • For turquiose there is joint activity accross groups, factions and communities spiritual bonds pull people togheter, communities are not just physical but also conecptual because "physical" is actually a concept. Physical itself is not physical. • Feelings and emotions come back into play • Work must be meaningful to the overall health of life • Deep trust of intuition and instinct • The self is a part of a large conscious spiritual whole you are not just a little individual human being or human body as you've always thought • Non -manipulative -ideological and -judgemental. • Not driven by fear or selfless selifshness • Does not play victim or blame games • Deeper mental and spiritual capacites are awakened • New sences and abilites you would think were superhuman become ordinary and human. There is new control over bodily processes, there is a heightened sensory awareness. • Paranormal abilities can develop or as the Yogi's call the cities. • Healing abilities, telepathy, astral projection, ESP, clairvoyance and remote viewing which seems odderly fantastical, religious and superstitious to stages below which are stuck in material paradgim. • The mystical becomes the mundane, the paranormal becomes normal. • Having inspiring levels of emotional mastery • Likes minimalist living. Less is more. • Ecologicaly conscious like green was. • Being visionary and being an inspiring leader • There is a unification of science, technology, medicine and mysticism • Deep understanding and unification of all religions, picks the best parts of them and throw away all the junk, corruption and ego stuff that has corrupted those traditions. All of them are really pointing to the same stuff. • There is a synthesis with western technology and eastern mysticism. • Theres an understanding of the fullness of the spiral and turquoise uses all the layers proactively and holistically • Sees everything at once before doing anything spesific • There is a colletive imperative and there is mutual interdependencies that reign supreme over your individual egoic needs. • If turquoise is engaged in business its gonna be a business with soul that probably tries to awaken you in some fashion. • There is a sense of a greater community bulit around spiritual emobidment. Turquoise is the 6. and 7. chakra • Turquoise action comes from selfless love and open heart • Has a great mental and behavioral flexibility • Sexual desire is transmuted into metaphysical love. (not always the case but for really exceptional turquoise people, outgrown from the lower chakras) • Excellent in dealing with paradoxes • Tend to be very wise and teach in unorthodox styles. • Is post rional and post material • Connects to being rather than quantifying or categorizing the world. That enterprise is over. Its way too limited. • Is non-linear • Is human-centered • Has a supernatural intuition • Has an ability to connect to source • Tends to have high integrity and is able to actually follow through that integrity • For Turquoise the universe is both impersonal and deeply personal. And thats a paradox they resolve. (need to be experienced to understand) • Turquoise is conscious of the miracle of life. Everything becomes mystical, amazing and magical. • Has a constant attention to ever-expanding implications of everything. • Turquoise is even a deeper systems thinker than yellow was. Systems now are not just mechanical things, they are alive, imbued with intelligence. Intelligence is not something that human beings possess the way that orange arrogantly belives. Intelligence is permeated through the entire universe. Every aspect of being is intelligent. The entire arrangement of the univcerse is infinte intelligence at work. • For Turquoise life consists of fractals. You can see all the interconnections in the fractal nature of everything. Can see the micro right throgh to the macro. • Stands in awe at the cosmic order from quarks to cells to humans, trees, cars, to galaxasies and big bang. All of it is awesome,miracle,magical,amazing, all of it interconnects with everything else. • For Turquoise reality can be experienced but never truly known. Reality is fundamentally irreducibly, mysterious and mystical. • There is a dissolution of the ego. • For turquoise there is a paradox that on the one hand life is the most important thing there is and yet on the other hand my own life is completly unimportant. My death does not matter. • Turquoise can detect the harmonic forces which govern organizations, which makes turquoise good at leading and running organizations • Turquoise is good by setting a good example/being a good role model • Turquoise is a movement away from the gross materialism. From gross stuff to subtle stuff turquoise develops the capacity to sense the subtle aspects of reality. • Going from the external to the internal • There is a transcendence of morality, meaning, judgement, life and death, duality, mind, reason, science and good and evil. • Is finally able to have really deep honest meaningful relationships and communication. Beyond the shallow petty clinginess, neediness and materialism that came with orange,green and yellow. The reason we have shitty relationships is because we have relationships to statisfy our own needs. Gross materialistic needs. They are all about manipulation. Not sustainable and thats why it ends. Turquoise is relating from a non needy place, from a much more honest place. These types of relationships are like next-level/super human relationships. As orange or green you dont know what a true communication face-to-face with a human being is because you are so wrapped up in your own ego and unconscious of the dynamics that the ego is playing and how it is distorting your ability to relate to other people and to communicate honestly with other people. Examples of Turquoise • Sadguru, the Isha foundation, • Shunya Murti, a western Yogi from costa rica (example of Intergration of all religions, science and holism) • Thomas Campbell • Yoda (globalist community minded and mystical) • David Hawkins, Ken Wilber, Shinzen young, Deepak Chopra • Stan Grof, (high yellow, early turquise) • Osho (netflix, still not perfect society) • Mooji, Rama G, Rupert Spira, A cartoles, New earth • Yogananda, Maarten ball, • Terence McKenna, Carl Jung (yellow/Turquoise) • Sri Aurobindo (solid turquoise) • Pierre tel yard, Erven Laszlo, David loy, Allan watts • Wim hof, Mat khan, the dalai lama, sacha shulgin • Yoga, holotrophic breathwork, the book: the holographic universe, the akashic records, the new oh sphere, opening the third eye, the pineal gland, out-of-body experiences, samadhi experiences, cities, paranormal abilities, clairvoyance, channels, mediums like Bashar, stuff that aleister crowley was doing, Rudolf steiner • Alternative healing systems, the notion of maya, pshychedelics, 5MEO-DMT, • From Star Trek the Q race • Rupert Sheldrake`s "more for genetic fields" (turquise concept) • Dene Radin`s paranormal research • Gandhi`s ideas of pluralistic harmony • The notion of Gaia, earth as a living system, Biocentrism, • The monrone institute, The Esalen institute, • Transpersonal pshycholigy as an entire field, Jung`s collective unconscious and various kinds of archetypes • Quantum field theory (starting to show the interconnectedness and the nonlinear infinate nothingness that everything is) • Sacred geometry, reincarnation, opening chakras • Saints, sages, mystics and prophets. Less then 0,1% of the global population is at Turquoise Turquiose has less than 1% of total world influence or power Style of Government: we do not really have any examples yet. We have some small communities. Based on these small communities it would look something like this: A holistic organism, micro management of all life-forms torwards common good in respone to macro problems. What life means supersedes any special, natural ethnic or ideological groupings. The purpose of this society is to elevate the consciousness of all of mankind. Spiral dynamics vs Non-duality • You can be in a non-dual state but not stage turquoise. • Spiral dynamics is more about how culture becoming more complicated and sophisticated and dealing with more complicating problems • Non-duality is another variable. Turquoise Slogans Everything is one, we are all god, You are already enlightned, everyting is perfect and at the same time everything is evolving, to see a world in a grain of sand and heaven in a wild flower, the kingdom of heaven is within, forgive them father for they know not what they do, I am that, life is a dream. What triggers Turquoise? Not that much, you worked alot on non-judgemental and detachment. Turquoise is quite understandning of how Maya works, how ignorrant works (where triggering basically comes from). Has a fairly robust degree of emotional maturity and mastery which helps to take the edge of alot of stuff. • The insanity of the world - sees how unsustainable all these actions are. • The status quo. - frustrating that our government,politics and economics are still at such a low level of development. • Myopia - the limitied vision that people can have. • Materialistic corruption • Profit over truth and spirit • Profit over heart • Dogmatic, scientism and rationalsim - quantifying • Ecological dysfunction • By the collective suffering of mankind. All of mankind suffering is largely self-inflicted. • By little petty mundane affairs. Turquoise limitations/unhealthy manifistations • Can become too mystical and too spiritual. To the point where they become unconcerned with earthly problems. Where they can just go off and live in a cave all by themseleves or like a hermit. • They sort of live in their own reality. They are so advanced that it is hard for other people to understand them. They can teach very advanced things that are difficult to relate to for avarge folk. Theirfor they can be misunderstood or their teachings can just fly over peoples heads. • Can develop a guru complex. Feeds your spiritual ego. Devlop cults. • Life can become sort of meaningless. Your are just in a dream. • Can deny the importance of political issues. • Can assume that other people are just as capable of awakening as they are. • There can be community division on a grand scale. Turquoise can develop into sort of mega tribes. Turquoise is a mirror or a parallel to purple. Turquioise is also trible but no more enlightned tribalism. There can be conflict and division between these turquoise mega tribes. • Can become stuck on shallow levels of enlightenment or non-duality. Theres many grees to awakening. Some gurus will have 10-100 more real depth of understandings than other ones. Does not realize there is deeper levels. • Non-duality wars. Certain gurus criticize other gurus from different traditions. Teaching debates, whos more enlightned and what does it really mean. • Maha Samadhi. So enlightned that you actually leave your body. Dont overidealize turquiose Dont think Turquoise is perfect. A person can not be turquoise if hes not perfect. That he can not do mistakes. Turqouise does not make you moral or good at all. Does not make you special. Egoic goal. Turquoise does not make you enlighetned. Enlightned is an own thing. Dont confuse it with spiral dynamics. Does not make you immune to false beliefs, cultural biases. Culture is something thats rooted very deeply in your mind. Even if you become enlightned you will still have cultural beliefs, preferences and values which are operating on you just from the culture you grew up in. You can be closed to other traditions or cultures just by not opening yourself up to them or not being familiar enough with them. Turquoise does not make you immune to dangerous social ideas. Its still possible that you will hurt people. Not immune to sexual cravings or addictions. How to transcend turquoise You should not worry about transcending turquoise, but embodying turquoise. You can do for 40 years. Your goal should be to pursue non-duality to its fullest and really to transcend spiral dynamics. How to emobody Turquoise • Make sure you have a hardcore industrial-grade spiritual practice going. (Meditation, yoga, self-inquiry, contemplation or whatever else) • Contemplate everything. • Embody unconditional love. • Long solo retreats - very helpfull for deepning your connection with being. • Spiritual purification work of various kind. (shadow work) • Do 5Meo-DMT • Join or start spiritual community • Read turquoise books • Meet turquoise sages face to face • Study many religions. • Study cutting-edge science. • Study non-dual theory deeply - read at least 30 books. • Open your chakras, specially the lower ones and heart chakra. • Transumte your sexual energy. • Learn alternative healing techniques • Make sure you go back and master all the stages. • Keep watching actualized.org.

I do believe that there’s a greater power but I don’t follow any religion, I follow morality as much as I can (not the easiest thing to do haha). I don’t know what is after death, nobody really knows for sure. There might be afterlife, reincarnation or nothing or some combination of things. One thing I want to believe that if there is God, this Good is great, fair, kind, loving etc and this God wouldn’t care about little things like whether we’re buried in a certain way or not. I gave my loved ones full permission to do whatever they need to do once I die, it doesn’t matter to me, it should be their choice as they are the ones that have to deal with it.