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	  Water by the River replied to vibv's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God And that is why you roll out your own paradigm/set of beliefs (above). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performative_contradiction Ever heard of non-conceptual Awakening? Non-nonceptual nondual awakened states? What you describe in your post is just a set of beliefs. Awakening and Enlightenment promises something beyond all these conceptual games. When one truly awakens one can throw away all ladders/conceptual frameworks. Until then one better has good and encompassing /integral conceptual worldviews. And paradigms/worldviews/ladders that deny the possibility of the destination of the ladder are... pretty comfy. Nothing to transcend just stay where one is....
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	  Water by the River replied to Inliytened1's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God Doing that after Full Enlightenment: Can work and does work. Separate self and its regularly occuring suffering gone/transcended. Can generate its own bliss with onboard-devices/awakened nondual states WITHOUT needing specific experiences for that. In other words, total freedom & love. Can do whatever its inclined to celebrate manifestation, including helping "others". Doing that before Full Enlightenment = easing the regular suffering /non bliss emotions caused in cycles by the separate self/ego illusion Gestalt with chasing experiences (this time, quite high up Maslows ladder, with transcendental insights/awakenings/whatever n+1). Doesnt work and can't work. Same project as any other unenlightened being is performing unsuccessfully in a myriad of ways ( maslow pyramid up and down). The mechanism described above works with mathematical precission.
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	  Water by the River replied to Inliytened1's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God You dont know that. What I describe in my last post works by a different set of rules than the conceptual assumptions in the quote above and in your post. Consider practicing towards actually fully nonconceptual and nondual awakened states in daily life. These will ripen then. Then you will see and realize, if Karma has it this way in your future.
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	How bright a light bulb is doesn't reveal to us the qualities of electricity that flows through it in creating the light, it shows us the qualities of the bulb. So pointing to the bulb in trying to explain electricity fails to recognize the nature of electricity available isn't shown to us through the amount or quality of light the bulb displays. Us as the metaphorical bulb with how much 'awakeness' someone has doesn't tell us how much consciousness is available to us, it just shows how much consciousness, or 'brightness', we show. A rock and us have the same exact amount and quality of consciousness available, but obviously there is a difference in how aware, awakened or 'conscious' of it we display. So, yes, everything is consciousness but not equally conscious yet the degree of conscious something or someone is, does not reveal the absolute fullness of consciousness that exists and permeates throughout reality which is not dependent on the 'bulbs' ability to display it. It really is surprising how simple obvious this is and still is so illusive to grasp.
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	  vibv replied to Inliytened1's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God Your hasty diagnosis is a defense mechanism of your ego, because now you don't have to take anything I say seriously. Notice that I don't claim to know what you experienced or are awakened too. I'm just claiming that no one has arrived at any final destination, and those who say they did are deluding themselves. Edit: Thank you.
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	  Razard86 replied to Jowblob's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God Can't awaken God against its will. God wants to experience delusion and being asleep. Can everyone be Jesus, Buddha, Jesus and Buddha can't be unique if everyone is as awake. Can everyone be good at basketball and be Michael Jordan? No you need some people to be bad at it so Michael Jordan can be special and unique. Once you realize that life is a story, then you realize you need rich, poor, strong, weak, smart, dumb, etc,,, so yeah....things gotta be the way they are or paradoxically it actually wouldn't make sense. If everyone you talked to just suddenly awakened so easily....you would call bullshit and be like....THIS is fake!!! You call this immersive? To make the dream immersive, gotta add some nice juicy conflict, ignorance, etc... Look at the clip above of the Matrix movie...did you see the crap Neo had to go through? Now...what if we just made the entire thing easy for him....nothing to discover and learn. No growth, no failure, no journey.
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	  Razard86 replied to BlessedLion's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God If he consumed an Consciousness altering substance with an open mind he would probably instantly awaken. His desire to go to Islam is just his ego pulling him away from truth. Deep down he knows this....but ehhhh....it shows you the nature of God. God wants to explore. You cannot awaken God against its will, God will awaken on its own terms. I don't blame him, he is in his 20's I have no clue how my life would have been impacted if I awakened that early. I truly think early to mid 30's is an appropriate age. Part of the Spiritual Path is nihilism, not sure if it is healthy to be exposing large amounts of 20 year olds to nihilism.
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	  Leo Gura replied to Vynce's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God Consciousness is all there is. And Consciousness can fully comprehend itself. This self-comprehension is Absolute. In other words, you gain absolute clarity into what everything is. Do not muddle this matter by invoking the notion of Maya. Maya refers to the lack of self-comprehension of consciousness. God-Realization is the unraveling of Maya. This does not mean that experience stops. People here love to confuse awakened consciousness with a lack of experience or "Nothingness" or formlessness.
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	So the next day after my "Insanity trip" I had a strong gut feeling day that I need to do 3.5 gram shrooms again. I had some anxiety, but decided that I had no choice. Within 30 min after consumption i started to feel the effects. Not much visuals, but for some reason colors from flowers and sky started to seem even brighter. It was like someone turned up the brightness of colors inside my brain. Reality started to seem like a rainbow. I was in awe of how beautiful reality truly is. Here is my last trip if you want to read it: 30 min after onset my mind went silent. I just sat in the chair observing followers, buildings and the sky. Then my awareness and intelligence increased. I suddenly got this power to think more clearly than ever. It was like my eyes finally opened up for the first time. I started to develop curiosity for reality. I just sat there contemplating different questions about my personal life mainly and existence. So I asked these questions: “What is my purpose in life?”. “Why am I doing anything at all?” Then I realized that the reason everyone in life is doing anything at all is because of LOVE. I actually don't know why, but i just sat there and all of the sudden I was in love with myself and existence. My love for existence and everyone just expanded to a higher level. Looking at existence and listening to the silence, I realized that I am all alone. Everyone is imaginary. I even hesitated to post this report since, wtf is the point if i am all alone. I was just sitting with tears running down my face. Could never fathom that love is so bloody beautiful. I realized unconditional love for existence and everyone. Devils and the so-called evil people are doing it for love. Hell, torture, rape, murder and even suffering is love and beauty. (Disclaimer i don't justify rape or murder, i only report what i exprience in this trip) I started to fall in love with myself. I realized that i am complete and perfect as iam. Love is the only thing you need. You don't need friends, women, sex, money and fame. Love is all you need. The reason for people being unhappy is because of a lack of love. I started to legit feel invincible. I did not even care if I died. Nothing could hurt me since I was so deeply in love with existence and myself. Love is there for all eternity, so there would be nothing for me to lose or gain at that point. Everyone is just trying to express love in their own way. So I could see that my purpose in life is to express my love for reality in my own meaningful way. For example, a life- purpose can be a way to express love. Either by doing something selfless or selfish. It's all the same. I had empathy and love for everyone. Even the most evil acts I would love. Evil does not exist, it's just love. Anyway, love did not just affect me psychological, but also physical. I started to feel a comfortable cozy warm feeling all over my body. I started to feel warm in my body even though the temperature decreased during nighttime. I was uncomfortable in my body, but the pain turned into physical euphoria. I am not sure how to explain how pain becomes euphoria. It is like suffering and euphoria becomes the same, I could no longer tell the difference between the two. I started to get mental clarity, I started to feel sober or normal. I was able to think straight with much more awareness. So i was like to myself: fu*k it i am going to take my dog for a walk up the mountains in middle of the night on a Monday while on the peak. I started to cry while walking, realizing how goddamn beautiful love is. I was like just keep repeating to myself, “holy fuck, is this real”. So I would walk for 2 hours with my dog, just taking in the sights and falling in love with everything. Anyway this trip was so shockingly beautiful that I still have a hard time believing love and beauty could be so WOW. There are no words for it. Wow is the best word to describe my trip Lesson I have learned: I need to be able to first develop my love for myself before I can expand my love for others. Love is the one true thing I truly need in life to be happy. How much hate is robbing me of my own happiness. I have now a desire to develop my love for myself and the world. Also I started to realize that I need to put up boundaries and respect myself enough to not let unconscious people drag me down in life. Dont be a people pleaser. A people pleaser lacks respect and love themselves. Also this trip would have never happened had it not been for this gut feeling telling me i need to do shrooms today, after a bad trip. Don't get me wrong, i am just stracthing the surface of understanding love. I am not going to claim i am awakened. I am far from done.
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	Is the goal not to slowly increase the dose to reach higher altered states of consciousness. I am not sure how much a dose affects how awakened a person is. I always assumed I needed to increase my dose to like 5 grams or higher before I could reach awakening. Would it not be more reasonable to lower my dose to 2.5 then?
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	I agree with you, ultimately this is not a criminal case 'yet'. So if Brand is as loving and awakened as he claims he would at least accept the possibility that he could've acted in a way that hurt others during his drug and sex addicted days, especially something like the 16 year old who, just her very age is extremely suspect. If he was truly awakened he would come out with something like 'although my actions weren't technically illegal I know I hurt these women etc'. The fact that he is just blaming people out to get him is actually more in line with narcissism and actions of a cult leader because he's only speaking to his die hard followers. It's a shame because he has shown growth since the days these actions happened but he obviously still has some deeper need for fame and adulation that is still active.
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	@Hardkill The 80s had the AIDS epidemic and people like Fauci was the one that spreaded the fake news that gay men get AIDS easier. Socially things were worst back in the 80s and 90s for people but economically better because 5-10 years of hard work would allow someone to pay off their home while now its 30 years. I don't think there has been ever a year where wars don't exist, people were just less exposed so they weren't aware of the injustice in the world. Spiritually there are more awakened people today than the last 30+ years. Now novice meditators can do a week long retreat and actualize. In the 90s and early 00s, only a handful of people awakened. Today a poor kid from a village in India, Vietnam etc can learn to program and get a 6 figure income within 10 years. The opportunities around the world have risen while taking away opportunities for people in a place like America. Big Pharma and companies that sell food around the world have centralized now and what people eat so our food is far dirtier and less pure than before. Cancer rates and chronic disease is on the rise because the stuff people are putting in their bodies isn't helping that. So then it becomes really hard to say if things are better or not.
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	  Breakingthewall replied to BlessedLion's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God I would say that Leo probably has realized the absolute infinity with psychedelics, but that doesn't matter, for him this is a competition and he will never admit that a rival is right. never. Whatever you do and whatever you say, he is going to look for the weak point, and he is really going to believe that you are deceived and that you are an ugly, stupid and miserable clown, because never, impossible, never, could he say: well yes, osaid, or anyone is awakened, and look, I would say that he has reached deeper levels than me in the spiritual dimension. nor osaid, nor buddha, nor christ nor all the mystics of india together. forbidden. They are all fagots clowns full of shit, seems that he needs that. It's weird, if you really realize the absolute you want that another people realize too, because it's wonderful, you want to share it, and you want that other people go deeper, to get inspired in them . If you really broke your ego, you can't be obsessed about being the best anymore
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	  Inliytened1 replied to BlessedLion's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God Now all jokes aside this dialogue was about something much deeper. It was about whether or not you need Love to be awakened. What is your thought? According to the idiot it's all lower states of consciousness...even enlightenment itself.... Do you have any thoughts on the matter or do you just wanna chime in to poke fun?
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	  Inliytened1 replied to BlessedLion's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God You are completely deluded. I am not sure if I should even dignify a response here, but I will. I don't have to continue any work because I've awakened to God. There is no more work. Please quote me where i said its not possible to become God realized sober. I simply said its not in your genes- nor is it in Leo's. Nor is it in 99.9 percent of the population. I am special, in that regard, although relative to human Interaction I tend to be a freak.
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	  Inliytened1 replied to BlessedLion's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God The meaning of life? If you have awakened - you will know that it is to align yourself as close to God as you can. This means being as selfless and as loving as you can, eliminating all bias. Can you do that? It's quite the challenge - but it's one that you have been given. The Truth is, you will never fully alleviate all bias while in human form. God placed you in an impossible position by design. But it doesn't mean you shouldn't try your best.
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	  Razard86 replied to BlessedLion's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God Exactly we aren't quibbling over details here. Reality is Love Absolutely. That's it. It's not a concept, it IS LOVE. Hell even NonDual speakers like Tony Parsons doesn't deny this and he loves focusing on the nothing/appearance terms in his communications. If you haven't awakened to love, then you do not know what you are. You have yet to meet yourself and you are looking at yourself all the time lol.
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	  Razard86 replied to BlessedLion's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God Lol by whose metric? I consider him to be awakened to something. But based on his videos I do not consider him Enlightened.
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	Hi , I'm getting to be 35 years soon and I'm well down into this stuff for my whole adult life Looking to network with people that are legitimately higher-order consciousness / awakened / tier 2 / MetaCognitive -- whatever you wanna call it. I'm also neurodivergent so I click with people of the same breed Lemme know if you wanna connect , finding advanced / sophisticated people is quite difficult from my experience as its like roughly 0.1%-2% of people it seems
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	  Soul Flight replied to De Sade's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God Beauty could be based on memories of your mom or previous interactions with women. Beauty can be based on animal instinct or pheromones. I don't think our goal is to date every girl or love every girl or marry every girl. It is ok to follow your instincts. Let passion blossom and bloom. But if we get awakened or expand our consciousness we should eventually see everyone as ourselves. We are they and they are us. We should have more compassion. But our monkey mind might still take over sometimes. Or we might be in a bad mood some days. It is ok.
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	Yo fam! Been wondering... for those who consider themselves 'awake', how's that playing out in your "love life"? Awake & Attached: If you're awakened and in a relationship, does it feel like an attachment? Or more like a deeper connection? Love for All: And with this whole 'unconditional love' vibe, does being awake make you more open to things like polyamory? ?♂️ Riding Solo: Any awakened peeps choosing the single life? Was that a choice post-awakening? Super curious about your takes! Shoot! ??
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	Hello all, Europe and the West seems almost sabotaged and retarded by Christianity due to its concretization of heaven and hell and a patriarchal god and waiting for physical death and heaven and eternity with god. The Christian dogma actually prevents Buddhahood or awakening. I would assume Eastern nations and cultures would have a head start on awakening and bliss and higher levels of consciousness. Is this true? Are Eastern cultures more advanced spiritually or maybe their humanity is deeper? Are there more awakened people in the East? Is Western dominance over the globe only material in nature while the East is dominating spiritually and passively? Why the disparity between East and West? Why does the West seem more "successful?" The East has had time on their side and a longer incubation period. Or did I simply imagine World History so I could revolt against the majority Christian establishment and embrace an esoteric path chosen by a small minority of people? A somewhat related question is why educated, intelligent, wealthy people do not pursue enlightenment in greater numbers? Why aren't they sadhus, mendicants, and aesthetics? And why weren't the Gnostics and hermetics more successful? Thanks
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	  Water by the River replied to BlessedLion's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God There is nothing than the Absolute, only the Absolute, containting its manifestation. The other beings/perspectives can also only be this One Reality. And that there is Awareness in them as their essence, and that this is the One Pure Impersonal Awareness, is a direct realization available in certain awakened nondual states. That is enough! The "other" human beings are not non-player-characters. The feel the same as you. There essence IS you. And the other way round. This non-euclidian space vision Leavitt had is the way Reality can communicate this insight. A teaching tool communicated by Reality itself. Way better than Solipsism + all others are non-player-characters. That is just not the case. They are all the ONE Player, appearing as many. Leavitts vision is not the defining factor necessary to verify that other beings/perspectives ARE the same Impersonal Pure Awareness. The defining factor is Enlightenment, as described above. That is no belief-system, but a direct realization. As I wrote, take the Leavitt Picture of the non-euclidian space of perspectives/Indras Net as useful working model. It as a useful pointer to calm the mind on the question of others (the Solipsism belief-system), and practice nonceptual empty impersonal awakened states to get to nondual states and then realize what you are. That will answer the questions. Sure you can turn anything into an belief system. But then one better uses useful pointers or belief system that actually point at the moon to realize the moon. Not pointers pointing to the street-light and realizing then the street-light and thinking its the moon. One doesn't need to understand the workings of a steam machine in order to know its essence: steel. And one will never figure out the workings of Reality in its manifested details. Its infinity. God is busy exploring all of that, forever. If the fascination for figuring out all details of the steam machine fascinates so much that one doesn't realize its essence of Pure Impersonal Awareness (but thinks one has done it, but didn't, and hasn't got nondual awakened states sobre this way) and the essence of each and every possible differently designed steam engine, and suffers in a grasping way for experiencing ever more steam machines because one is bored or suffers because one hasn't realized ones essence.... Very actualized, indeed.
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	  Breakingthewall replied to Fountainbleu's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God @Fountainbleu . Life is better in every way from an awakened state. Before that, you needed hundreds of evasion strategies to face life, since it was not really possible to face death. We really live in a psychotic state, that is why it is said that enlightenment is the end of suffering, because it is the end of resistence to the now. Furthermore, from an awake/open/enlightened state, there is inspiration, one knows which path to follow, where to rectify. You direct the path because you are one with reality, you flow, and wherever that takes you is where you were meant to go.

 
	 
	 
	 
	 
	 
	