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I've had a few awakenings here and then, mostly on psychedelics, but this Nothingness subject is the hardest for me to tackle, I just can't wrap my head around the intellectual idea, let alone the meta physical aspect of it, I read "God is Nothingness" but i think there is a lot of work for me to do yet, any help would be appreciated.

You see ..any form of life will inevitably die..agree ?including your physical body which we know will eventually pass on But the ever existent conscious state that the physical body came from will always exist and the conscious essence that the body came from is ever present. And what that is ..is nothingness. So we Humans..(or any life form for that matter)can not die completely ..It simply returns to the primal and forever existing nothing. The universe exists and doesn't exist simultaneously. You are not awake so you are deluded by maya.

If two cars are driving next to each other at excactly the same speed, both cars would appear to stand completely still from both of their perspectives. If one of the cars were to stop however, change would be observed from both ends. Since reality is ever changing, it likewise follows that there has to be something that is unchanging, for reality to be ever changing. and that unchanging reality is the infinite nothingness behind your back, behind every experience. Consciousness, awareness, nothingness, call it what you want. If this nothingness/consciousness were NOT unchanging, existence would stand completely still, since there would be no contrast between changing and unchanging. Just like the two cars driving at the same speed, appearing to stand still

Brother, I think you were tired, read my comment again you replied to. I want to help you, but if you fail to grasp anything im saying, I think im just wasting energy I can spend elsewhere. I expect from you the courtesy to not twist my words and reply with things that are not based on what I said. I never said aanything about people being irrelevant. Also, stop talking about "Lack of something", no one has that definition of nothingness, perhaps you did, hence why I told you thats not what nothingness is. You are trying to weasel your way by not replying to my exact messages. It feels violating towards my effort to correct obvious errors.

The misconception and mistreatment of the idea “nothing” Here is nothing👉( WRONG) The term here implies a place, a location, some kind of coordinate etc. The term “be”, “to be”, implies an act or condition for something. NOTHING IS NOT SOMETHING. Nothing will not be here later because nothing is not a thing that can do things, like “to be” somewhere. One classic theory about existence is that there is some kind of origin, some kind of beginning. And before there was an existence there was a nothingness, a state or condition of no existence. Then you are going to hear that out of this non existence, springing forth from the nothingness, an existence emerged. Let us accurately clarify this theory. To have a beginning there must be some point that distinguishes or acts like a border or dividing line between that which has begun and whatever there is before it has begun. Something can’t come from nothing. Nothing or nothingness is not an actual thing to call “nothing” something cannot share a border with nothing. Nothing is not an actual thing that is distinguishable, we can not say that something begins from nothing or begins after or separate from nothing. Nothing and nothingness are not states or conditions or anything. The literal definition of nothing is that it does not exist, it is not a thing, it is not something that was or is or will be etc. Nothing is not something that things can emerge from.

I meant enlightenment in a joking way here btw. But if you believe people think that nothing means lack of something, why do you think that? Were you not one of those people? Or other people have told you? I have a mathematical mind. I take things literally, there is big difference between lack of Something and lack of Anything. Its not a trivial difference. Lack of a lamp still is within space and time. To have nothing you need to remove the space and time as well. Now we talking! There are no games I play. Nothing means non existence? But you say it in a way to say that it is irrelevant because it doesnt exist. And that people who talk about nothingness are clearly talking about something irrelevant, right? That which is outside of space and time is the most relevant, when it comes to spirituality

No, you said "people think nothing is lack of something", thats what I reply to. When you are defeating stick figures, its easy! Sure I couldve worded my post better, but the meat of the post remains. I mean if you think that people think nothing is lack of something, that thats what you yourself "believed" before your enlightenment that nothingness does not exist..

Nothing is not lack of something. Nothing is lack of ANYTHING. No qualities, no size, no shape, no location, no ANYTHING. You can't see Nothing. Obviously. And by Not seeing it, you Are seeing it. Its equivallent! Nothingness does not exist and nothingness exists are two equivallent statements. Did you disagree with me that 5= 5+0? Also, if we come back to what I just wrote... but change to: Awareness/Consciousness has No qualities, no size, no shape, no location, no ANYTHING. Thats super Sus! It appears you are nothingness and deny your own existence, because you take yourself to be the something that exists within you! Thats super fascinating! Thats why I said, it doesnt exist, but its verifiably real. You thought they were joking that mind cannot get it?

yea you could say nothing is the back of your head. thats the same as deep sleep imo. but yes i think ultimately we agree. True nothingness does not exist. but nothingness can be experienced and thus it does exist,but in virtue of it being experiencable (word?) and existing, its not true nothingness.

well. i would say in deep sleep you aren't aware of neither of those things. its completely without qualities. however i will agree with you, its not true non existence, since when you wake up, you are aware there was a period in which all phenomena ceased. true non existence could be said to be THIS right here. because its not here. an eternity of true non existence could elapse during every single moment of existence, and there would be absolutley no difference in how we experienced life. because it would not exist. true non existence cannot be. but Nothingness can be experienced. nothingness is the ceasing of all phenomena, which is deep sleep. yet it is still something

You are right that consciousness can become a paradox, but they can only become paradox for things that exist. You can then understand this next statement: It is impossible for there to be nothing, which means, there is no such thing as nothing and nothingness. In terms of existence, there is no such thing as an actual nothing. It is impossible for a non existence to exist. It’s really an amazing brilliant, beautiful absolute nature; The only way I can prove a non existence is if there is actually an existence. I need there to be an existence in order to suggest or consider or believe that there is no existence. The moment I prove there is no existence is the moment I actually prove that there is. Only things that exist can prove that there is no existence

Existence is all inclusive and nothingness it all exclusive. Nothing can be a center between polarities or the self-destruction key of a paradigm! Interesting. you're attempting a Probable-Actualized Duality-Axis! I myself call it the "Levels of Reality Actualization" materializing reality out of pure imagination! Makes sense to me, therefore everything always was like all moves of a chessgame in a superposition.

Firstly, BreakingTheWall is a good rhyno that likes to break walls, for the joy of breaking walls. I have no problem with it! I respect it! Now, for the juicy bit. I'll speak to you in matrix code. 1010101010. 1, is the masculine. 0, is the feminine. 1 is form, 0 is formless. 1 is the manifested, 0 is the unmanifested. Where does your thought arise from and subside to? Did it not appear out of the naughy *nothingness* you seem to fear so much? Guys open up for the feminine energy, the masculine and the feminine are one, intertwined. If you are going to bully the 0, what sort of 1 are you?

nothingness does not exist, because it would be limited to nothing. If there are no limits, at a given moment, there is something, and then something else, and in the end there is everything

"if non existence existed" not saying that, im saying Consciousness doesn't exist. Everything exist within it, the illusory world / dream. You mentioned emptiness exists within Consciousness, I'm saying emptiness is consciousness. Nothingness just another word for emptiness. Consciousness doesn't exist, as mentioned, exist stemming from existere meaning to Stand Out. Consciousness is not an object. You can say an object exists, that includes feeling / thought / anything, you can't say that that which is not an object exists. Thank you vm!

naah! You just trying to get it with the mind. Emptiness = nothingness. What are you imagining when you say emptiness? A big baloon full of air? remove the boundaries, its not a thing. Doesn't exist

The purpose of life is to get attached to reality then detach. Detachment means all thoughts about others and then all thoughts about yourself. Reality as one flickering ball of imagination. Or getting back to staring at nothingness.

At the end, we must realize that nothing lasts forever. Only forever itself. We must go back to nothingness once again - and begin anew. There is nothing else for forever to do. To be at peace with this- to say goodbye with heavy hearts to the constructions we have built - that is probably the hardest thing one can do. Castles in the sand.

ive been delving into the subject the past few days, and the term has very different meanings depending on the tradition. from what i gather, the theravada buddhists believe you just merge into vast Nothingness / for ever non existence / deep sleep. Then there are people like Osho, who take the term Nirvana / Mukti / liberation to be a complete merging with all of existence. Existing for ever as the universe itself. This is much aligned with leos teachings. I can't quite decipher what someone like Sadhguru means with the term liberation. I stumbled upon this article, and isolated it seems that to him Liberation is simply non existence https://isha.sadhguru.org/en/wisdom/article/samadhi-to-go-beyond-existence It can be interpreted in different ways. there are other articles where he clearly states that all that is lost after Liberation is the individual identity, and that life itself goes on just being Life. Quite generally this seem to be the Hindu understanding of Liberation, and also other variants of buddhism, such as mahayana to be fair im pretty mindfucked atm. seems like quite a bummer if the purpose of existence is to get rid of it lol. My take is that ultimately, whereever we end up, it has to be the same place that got us here in the first place. Say you dismantle your karma totally, and end up in non existence - whats to prevent that non existence from popping into existence again? it must be the same thing that spawned you in the first place whats your guys' take on this?

Nothingness and Absolute/Being the whole Universe probably have the same taste, but I guess it is difficult to our mind to understand.

Nothing does not exist. Get This; NOTHING, AS YOU IMAGINE IT, IS ALWAYS SOMETHING! The Universe did not come from nothing; it has always existed; You have always existed! There was never truly nothing, because nothing cannot exist and still be "nothing". Neither do they return to nothing. When the waves on the surface of a pond dissappear, they disperse back into the water, not nothing! In fact, everytime anyone has spoke or thought of nothing, we were grappling with a concept or sound called "nothing". This is decieving, because as we know, concepts are quite malleable and made of a substance called thought which is something! Why is this important? Well, if nothing doesn't exist, then what's left is only something; and there is no real limit or opposite to somethingness, because the only thing that could contrast somethingness is nothingness, but nothing is not a thing! Therefore somethingness is undefined in the same way that nothingness would be, which means that somethingness is Infinite and Unlimited! You Are This Infinite "Something"! You Are Infinity! ♾️ What else could you be, but the very fabric and structure of Existence itself? The rule to Reality is that there must always be something, and that something is You! You are Reality! So if You are the rule, then who are You, what are You, where are You, when are You, and why are You? This is the madlib of your life. You can imagine yourself as anything, anywhere, you desire to be, and you have already moved into a form you desire. Just look at your hands! Now imagine this indeterminate something, this infinite anything! It can be anything, anywhere, and do anything at anytime! What would this omni-thing look like? It's glowing, and it's coming from the very heart of your being; it's everywhere, and everything!

DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT PLAN TO KILL MYSELF IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE I know this is a controversial, but there is no other place where I could possibly discuss it, so I hope it's okay. *** My question is: what's so wrong about suicide metaphysically? I understand advising people against it because it's a politically correct thing to do, and you don't want to get in trouble, but in reality, is there any reason why you shouldn't kill yourself? If you die, you will become one with the universe / god. You will either become hyper aware of everything and omnipotent, or you will fade away into nothingness and will not feel anything ever again. Both options sound fine to me. There is also a chance that you might get re-incarnated, suggesting that there is a layer with ghosts and souls in between our realm and God consciousness. That also doesn't sound that bad. You could basically use suicide as a reset button, until you reincarnate with the cards you want to play with. If a person doesn't really feel like living or if they suffer a lot, why should they bother and stick around. Additionally, what if I am impatient and don't want to do all this spiritual work? I could just kill myself and get all the answers right away. I hope this perspective doesn't sound too childish, I am really curious about those questions.

Medicine: 150 ug 1P-LSD Intention: Contemplate How am I God, Infinite, Love? And retain more insights after the trip. Background Before this trip I had a very difficult experience with 4-AcO-DMT, so I decided to take some time to understand what I was going through and integrate better integrate the previous trips. I dedicated myself as well to read some books from Stanislav Grof and James Fadiman to understand more about LSD and other well known psychedelics as well as some other books from Leo's book list about God and spirituality. I also worked on improving my Kriya Yoga techniques and have been observing my micro fears and contemplating how these fears are related to myself. Finally, I contacted a psychotherapist which helped me during some earlier hard phases of my life, because I started to get anxious with the psychedelic trips and some personal stuff started to come during the trips, which I was not being able to integrate alone. The Trip Made all the preparations and took the LSD around 8:00 am, after that I made Kriya Yoga, I managed to get to 30 minutes but I started to feel the effects of the medicine and started to feel a little dizzy. I find interesting that the peaceful and after glow of Kriya some how merged with the effect of the LSD. I also made some Hatha Yoga because the LSD gets me some muscle soreness, and I have realized that Hatha Yoga helps me relax the body and allows the energy to flow better. I then laid down as the effects of the medicine were getting stronger, and started to ask me how am I God? I also started to become aware of the rapid movements of my ego mind and I managed to calm it down. And the I had this very deep insight about Nothingness, it was a very profound insight but I will try my best to describe it. I realized all the limitations that make me believe that I am a person, and realized that I had to overcome them in order to become God. As I realized this I had this vision of my body being fully surrounded by white energy and how all the limitations simply disappeared. And then I became Nothingness, I don't really know how long I stayed in this state as time had no meaning there. It was like if I was in the Void, there was no difference, it was Absolute Nothingness. Later I went to see how many time had passed since I first laid down and I spent at least two hours there. And suddenly I see how I decide to go back to the form and create myself as a tough and as this happens I have this vision that the Nothingness merges again with the white energy of Love like a multidimensional living Yin Yang and it creates a strange loop and I become this strange loop. As I realize the insight I sit there completely shocked and I see how my mind tries to wrap around and make an idea of it which is impossible. I tried to write about the experience and it came to my mind that is impossible to describe Infinity with something finite as words. Nevertheless there are some moments of great inspiration I feel during the trips, here is something I wrote down and I wanted to share: "It is as if God could talk me through music, thoughts, light, in all the many dimensions of the Self and It manages to do it so overwhelmingly good that It leaves me breathless". I became a little agitated because of the magnitude of this insight, so I started to walk around in the apartment and later made some more Hatha Yoga. It felt as if I was a puppet being shown how to make the Yoga positions. I wanted to lay down again and I realized that my ego-self didn't wanted me to do it and became agitated. I realized that I was also contracting my body and opened-up and started to make bilateral symmetrical movements and I managed to calm down. I am really amazed how easy is this technique and yet how helpful it is in such cases. I managed to calm down and relax, I wore some earplugs and tried to be as still as I could. I had one of this Samadhi experiences I have been having with the psychedelic trips. As I relaxed the mind, the limits of my body cease to exist and I literally feel I have no limits, during that moment also experience a lot of Love and it feels as I would elevate and leave my body. I guess that this is the sort of experiences that yogis get after many years of practice. There was also a moment when I felt I could remember who I truly am, not as my ego-self but as the higher Self. I could feel I was Infinite, Infinite Love, Eternal. It was just Awesome! I also realized that there is no such thing as a reference point and that everything is relative, except for the Absolute. As I got this realization I started to feel disoriented and fearful, my body wanted to close again but I managed to remain open, make some bilateral movements, so I could accept the insight and continue tripping. There was also a moment when I was at the kitchen and started looking at a mango, I became fascinated with its different colors and textures and at some point I realized that by concentrating myself on the mango I became the mango haha, I just don't know how to put this in words but it felt like that. At the end of the trip I started listening some music, something I have learned to enjoy specially when I do LSD, and there were some moments that I feel I become the musician playing the instrument and the music. I then went for a walk in to the forest, I felt drawn into the nature, part of me wanted to see the and be part of nature, so I spent a couple of hours walking and flowing with the constant changes of the wind, captivated by the fractal forms of some plants and the beauty of nature, looking the awesome colors of the leaves now that the fall begins here in Europe. Conclusions I felt I had a much more organic trip, as in my previous trips I could not remain so conscious of all the insights I got. I see that working on my fears have helped me go deeper during the trips. There where some moments where I felt I was drawing towards madness, but I saw that the only way I could get over my fears is to face them and that it is a long and slow process. I was reluctant and skeptic to contact the psychotherapist but working on some more personal stuff that has came up during the some previous experiences also allowed me to go deeper during this trip. But then again, it is a therapist that I have known for years, which could accept the idea of me working with psychedelics (even though she may not recommend it or like them) and someone I can also trust. Bilateral symmetry and remaining open is a great technique to avoid getting into anxious during the trip, at least it works for me and I cannot recommend it enough. Something I don't like about 1P-LSD is the muscle soreness and body load it generates, but I could counteract some of it by doing Hatha Yoga, something that may be manageable at least in lower to moderate doses where it is still possible to move around. When I started working with psychedelics at the beginning of the year I was afraid I would not be able to this with my girlfriend around and that it may even cause is trouble, but to my surprise it has been the complete opposite. I have learned to understand her better and to get closer in our relationship. Thanks a lot for reading this and for your comments! Thanks to the great community of Actualized.org and to Leo for his great teachings!

My neighbours house had windows and there was a teddybear hanging out of the window when i woke up in a new reality/dimension when i fell asleep on LSD. I deconstructed reality in nothingness and woke up in a new dimension reality where my neighbourse house had windows when they actually didn't have windows before. And now in my present/stable reality they suddenly have windows that can be opened, when they never did. Basically it was always like this

Literally it creats It our of nothingness/oneness as polar opposite definitions that define each other. Like up and down are created at the same strike. To make a distinction means to make form, to create it, it will shapeshift with certain systematic barriers and it will dissolve, that's that's the metaphysics of differences. Yes they exist as imaginary. Reality is imagined. Imagination is what makes reality Real. Being imagined all properties, what distinguishes the real from the unreal, isn't that another distinction? The Realization of Imagination doesn't change an inch the nature of existence and its realness, it's as real as ever, you just realize that what you called real is actually being imagined by consciousness. A dream of Consciousness you might say, that's life and it's as real as it gets.