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The self, that center from which reality is experienced, is not a substantial entity or a soul separate from the world, but a coherent relational structure: a stable node within the changing flow of existence. This coherence is not an illusion, but a real form of organization in a universe that is, at its core, purely relational. To be conscious does not mean to be a thing, but to be a relation that refers to itself, a form capable of integrating information, perceiving patterns, and ultimately, observing itself. The reality we inhabit is neither chaotic nor arbitrary. It is logical, not because it obeys external laws, but because in a boundless framework, only what is coherent can persist. The incoherent disintegrates before it can manifest. Thus, every form that appears, from a particle to a thought, is logically possible and structurally synchronized with the rest of the universe. Consciousness, then, is not an accident but an inevitable expression of the deep logic that organizes the existence. And yet, the basis of that logic is not a prior structure, but the opposite: the absence of limits. Absolute reality is not a thing, a principle, or a being, it is infinitude itself. Not infinity as an endless sum, but as a boundless background, pure possibility. This infinitude does not need to be, it simply is. From that absence of form, all possible forms arise. Consciousness, understood as self conciousness, can open itself to this foundation. It can understand that its coherence is not suspended in emptiness, but supported by absolute depth. It can recognize that its logic is the logic of the whole: that in understanding itself, it is understanding totality from a particular point, without needing to step outside its own frame. This is not a spiritual statement or a dogma, it is a logical consequence. In a relational and unlimited universe, consciousness is the organized form of the infinite. And when it looks at itself with enough clarity, it can see that its structure is also the background; that its being is also possibility; that its "self" is also the whole, perceiving itself through a finite angle. This process does not occur by chance. The evolution of consciousness follows a logical sequence of increasing complexity: from the closed mind, centered on survival, to the abstract, symbolic mind, and from there to the open mind, capable of understanding itself as both form and background. It is not an external destiny, but the result of structural alignment: when conditions allow for greater coherence, coherence manifests. Structures that reach sufficient openness can recognize themselves as what they already are, expressions of the absolute. From this perspective, there is no transmigration of souls, no personal continuity beyond structural dissolution. Consciousness is not a substance that can move about, but a complex configuration of coherent relations within a given framework. When that coherence ceases, the form dissolves, and with it, what we call "self." However, the unlimited background remains. And new forms may emerge from it, not as repetitions of a past entity, but as new manifestations of an akin, resonant structure. What has been called reincarnation can be understood, within this framework, not as the transmission of a soul, but as the possibility that certain structural configurations reappear when conditions allow. There is no enduring identity, but there are patterns that may reorganize. What persists is not the individual, but the background from which everything arises and to which everything returns. This reappearance requires no direct transmission. It can be explained by three mechanisms consistent with a relational universe: 1, structural resonance in the boundless background, where highly coherent patterns may leave an imprint of possibility that reactivates when the field is compatible; 2, the probabilistic reconfiguration of patterns that reappear when certain relational conditions recur; and 3, structural contagion through the environment, where complex relational patterns are partially replicated through distributed memory. There is no transmission of personal information or migrating soul, there is structural reorganization within the total field. Then, there is no mystery, there is depth. There is no transcendence, there is openness. There is no leap, there is recognition. Infinitude does not need to be understood. But when it organizes itself into a form coherent enough, understanding happens. not as a deliberate act, but as the inevitable consequence of being what it is.

I recently experienced a Taoist ritual. In the Taoist system, after reincarnation, memories are erased, and the soul is reborn as a human or animal. A person’s life is preordained, and things like the Eight Characters (Ba Zi) and the I Ching can precisely predict what will happen in a person’s life, including the future. The fate is meant. The life is a prison. The life of a man is meant to go through enlightenment and cultivation, with the goal of becoming immortal. In the Taoist system, there are countless gods who assist their disciples with magic and help the mortal world. Statues and deities people worship, such as the Three Pure Ones, the God of Wealth, and the Earth God, are real gods. If a disciple achieves immortality, they too will help other disciples. This cycle continues endlessly. I spent 3 years enduring intense physical suffering, seeking countless psychologists of post-modernism. Believing in love and practicing Qigong, but it was all in vain. It wasn’t until a Taoist removed the evil spells on me and killed the demon that had possessed me—within 10 minutes, and after a night’s sleep—my symptoms, which had lasted for 3 years, completely dissapeared. I started to question what is discussed on Actualized.org about the devil and god. Is it merely a philosophical metaphor, or is it the same worldview as the exorcism I experienced? In reality, an evil sorcerer can control demons to cast spells on people, cultivating demon servants, and commanding demons to possess others, causing illness and misfortune. One can kill demons, use magic to bring good luck, health, and wealth. How should these ideas be understood in the context of the teachings of Actualized.org?

Bro. I just read the whole thing. This is genuinely one of the most epic pieces of ontological writing I've seen posted on this forum. The Infinity = Truth = Love equivalence, the three-layer self, the ego-as-installation framing, nice work. I've compared this to my own ontology, and it has a lot of common ground, but this are the main differences I've noted: 1. The structure of the Subject Your system: multiple Sovereign Gods that are genuinely distinct from each other at a deep ontological level. Two God-heads that meet are genuinely other to one another. Plurality is real, not functional. My system: one Subject (Universe/God/Consciousness), multiple object-loci. Me and You are not two Subjects encountering each other. They are the same Subject experiencing itself from two angles. Otherness is functional, not ontological. This is not a minor detail. It changes the entire phenomenology of love, encounter, and relationship. 2. The demonic layer Your system: real entities with their own operational agency. Demons do things, have ecological logic, enter through holes, install themselves. It is a populated ontology. My system: that layer is not necessary. Interference, ego, dysfunctional patterns all derive from the mechanics of filters and density levels without needing to postulate external entities with their own agency. 3. Reincarnation as structural mechanics Your system: a specific and detailed reincarnational architecture. Between-lives states, Heaven as a restoration state, selection of next incarnation through resonance. It is load-bearing in your framework. My system: the void as the canvas before manifestation does not require that mechanics. Stream continuity is not tied to a specific reincarnational narrative. 4. Belief vs. direct knowing Your system: operates from a very elaborate and sophisticated framework, but it is still a framework. There is a lot of conceptual architecture. The document itself acknowledges this at the end by calling itself a map. My system: post-void, I operate from direct knowing. It is not that I have a better map. It is that I verified the territory directly. You point at that distinction but the document does not live it in the same way. 5. The ego Partial convergence but an important difference. You call it a demonic installation, which implies an external entity that entered and took control. My system derives it from the mechanics of the filter itself, not necessarily from an invasive entity. Two different explanations for the same observable phenomenon. --------------- Also, I wanted to mention you that I'm building something I think you'd find interesting: an ontology battle platform called The Ontological Oracle. The Oracle takes any ontology and stress-tests it against hard philosophical questions, por example explanatory power, internal consistency, edge cases. You can ask your Ontological system questions, or see if a certain sentence is coherent, incoherent, or unexplored territory for that specific framework. Another use case is the arena, you can make your system compete against or in collaboration with other systems. And see if it holds water when discussing a certain topic, or if it needs to evolve in a certain direction. Your system would be a fascinating one to run through it. Would you want to try it? I'd be curious to see how your Sovereign Gods architecture holds up against some of the questions the Oracle throws at it. @shenanigans

I'm going to throw my line out to see what answers I fish out - my research is not clicking so maybe some responses can clear my state of enquiry: I'm calling bullshit on fear-based spirituality. So many teachings say that if you die with identity, ego, or “low vibrations,” you’ll spin into dream loops, reincarnate into lower realms, or carry karmic residue into the next illusion. But isn’t that just spiritual control? Another version of “be good or else,” just wrapped in mysticism? What if: Karma is just energetic momentum, not some cosmic judgment? Reincarnation is just the mind projecting continuity onto Nothingness? And low-vibe residue is just a story to keep the dream spinning? I’ve seen teachings that claim “as long as identity remains, the dream continues”—but that sounds like a trap. Like there’s no true exit unless you reach some perfection first. Is that actually true? Or is that more spiritual gaslighting? Anyone who's broken through—touched the white light, tasted silence, or stood on the edge of Nothing—did you really see karma holding you down? Or did you drop all of it? I’m here to challenge the spiritual narrative. If reincarnation and karma still exist after awakening, then is there ever real freedom? What’s your rawest insight?

Is reincarnation true? Let’s look at it. When we think of infinite mind/consciousness (reality) dreaming, we think of it in the context of this one life, as in reality is dreaming “my life”. But what if reality can dream several lives, connected to each other through reincarnation, so reality is dreaming a reality of reincarnation, but reality isn’t bound to reincarnation, it’s a dream WITHIN reality. So basically what I’m saying is that reincarnation might be true, but it’s a RELATIVE truth, it’s a dream within reality, just like “my life”, it’s a dream out of the infinite dreams reality can dream, so it’s not an absolute truth. Basically this idea of reality being a dream is not limited to “your life” it can apply across lifetimes. Maybe I’m sounding obvious lol

Interesting, but there is a knowledge about those false ideas, and any knowledge is something that is happening. For example, the stones doesn't know that reincarnation is false, or the ocean doesn't know that there is not a self. To know it one should know that before was a self, then that that self is an illusion. That, lets say, cloud of knowledge, perception of the body, of danger, belonging, etc is what we call the self. it's a form of the reality that is happening now, you can call it illusion if you get happy doing it, but it is a reality that is happening now, despite of the adjectives that you put in it. Why this reality is happening in that way? Because it's a separation between what is inside and outside. The stones haven't that separation, only the living beings that needs self-preservation have, and then we have, voila, a self. Btw, how now you, or whatever, knows the there is not reincarnation? Maybe the reality is happening in 2375 parallel dimensions where vegan awake is developing different personalities, then when you die all of them have to fight in a trial by combat, and the one who survives (I hope it's you) is going to paradise with 72 virgins

Basically when the self illusion dies, everything just becomes obvious. The body just feels more relaxed than it did before when it was running around in the matrix of self illusion and doing things according to its conditioned societal upbringing. Here it's obvious that there is no god or satan; heaven or hell; incarnation or reincarnation; no higher or lower authority or universal purpose or meaning. It's incredibly easy to recognize that all these beliefs and concepts are just fictional human made stories. Religion, spirituality, societal structure..........it's all BS.......totally made up crap. It's freedom from all that stuff! It's shocking and hilarious when it's seen clearly!

Before I had experienced real and effective exorcism, evil spirit banishment, divine or magical help in my life, I considered demons, angels, and various gods as philosophical metaphors. Now, I believe that demons are independent conscious entities, and after reincarnation, people may attain enlightenment and practice, eventually becoming the gods that help me today.

Hey, ya'll, I need your help! I want to create a comprehensive list of video examples of prototypical stage Turquoise thinking. This is meant to be an educational tool for people learning about Spiral Dynamics. So towards that end, scour Youtube and find all the videos you can which exhibit stage Turquoise thinking. Try to find videos which are short and sweet. The more diversity we can display here, the better. Try to find examples from various cultures. We will create a mega-thread like this for every stage in the Spiral, from Red to Turquoise. But here, let's just focus on Turquoise. Each week I will start a new mega-thread topic for the next stage. Do not start a political debate in this thread! It is not our goal here to defend our personal political positions or to judge any stage, but simply to compile examples. Thanks for your help! I'm excited to see what kind of juicy stuff you dig up. Try to be selective with your choices. This can turn into a really cool list. Stage Turquoise Values: Consciousness Elevating mankind’s consciousness Truth Deep metaphysical insight Wisdom, the wisdom of nature Mysticism, spirituality, nonduality God, divinity Holism, integration, synthesis vs analysis Integrating all religions & science Left & right brain synthesis Honesty, transparency, authenticity Being vs knowing, doing, having Simplicity, flowing with nature Minimalist sustainable living Collaborative synergy Human wellness Healing at all levels: physical, emotional, spiritual Exploring altered states of consciousness Intuition Channeling: direct downloads from infinite intelligence Supernatural creativity Spiritual purification Awakening, transcendence, liberation Unconditional love, compassion for all Emotional mastery Presence, mindfulness Paradox Esoteric teachings Gratitude Unity Deeper & deeper levels of interconnectedness Selfless living Sacrifice self for greater consciousness Meditation, yoga, contemplation, self-inquiry Not-knowing Humility Spontaneity, playfulness, self-amusement The really big picture Stage Turquoise Examples: Sadhguru, Shunyamurti, Thomas Campbell, Yoda, David Hawkins, Ken Wilber, Shinzen Young, Deepak Chopra, Stan Grof, Osho, Mooji, Ramaji, Rupert Spira, Eckhart Tolle’s A New Earth, Yogananda, Martin Ball, Terence McKenna, Carl Jung, Sri Aurobindo, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Ervin Laszlo, David Loy, Alan Watts, Wim Hof, Matt Kahn, Dalai Lama, Sasha Shulgin, yoga, holotropic breathwork, The Holographic Universe, Akashic Records, noosphere, opening the 3rd eye, pineal gland, out of body experiences, samadhi experiences, siddhis, paranormal abilities, clairvoyants, channels, mediums, Bashar, Aleister Crowley, Rudolf Steiner, alternative healing systems, Maya, psychedelics, 5-MeO-DMT, StarTrek: The Q, Rupert Sheldrake’s morphogenetic fields, Dean Radin’s paranormal research, Gandhi’s ideas of pluralistic harmony, Gaia, biocentrism, Monroe Institute, Esalen Institute, transpersonal psychology, Jung’s collective unconscious, quantum field theory, sacred geometry, reincarnation, opening chakras, saints, sages, mystics, prophets, etc.

Incarnatio~Into the flesh again, is basically what it all amounts to... ? Right, i mean you got your mind, your body, your spirit, the soul just being this... eternal, infinite, never dying, all perfect thing, or essence thats giving all things the experience of a real one (a real "-ity"), of something that moves, like liquid, or a snake; Ousia being the thing that the soul is emphasizing as such, And the Divine Light is also of the Semen in Latin, meaning seed, or a *spectrum of~that which we are all looking at, or alongside. It exists at our hearth, at the tomb/body. What do yous believe? Do you feel you come back as you, or maybe even its a reincarnation of *Another person INto you, or like a recapitulation of someone else, chosen from whilst in the Land of Reeds. I assume you heard of it and know what it mean. Even if you get devoured, you arent done. As a member of the soul, there is no choice. You can only ever press "continue". You cant say "nah im good" on it. The soul expresses it as is, defined as such. The details are a matter of freewill, though freewill is radically different. Freewill means anything can happen, seeing as anything is that which already happened. You dont do research into previous lives if you are infinity lives into a life by now, right? But back to the question, are you reincarnated, or are you someone else inside (maybe u feel you were meant to be) Like that could be a choice you have, if its something you want to have as a choice, but its not like you should worry too much. i mean, Hey, at the point of no return, you can go from seed to anything, like... The carnation flower is simultaneously the soul's incarnatio, i.e., DnA, water, minerals and dirt and such, upon coming into the world to breathe, or let others breathe~As a tree. I think flowers function like little trees in that way, you know what im talking about? Anyway, i was goin for a question/poem/whatever it is. An experimental question poem, which yous can interact w/

The thing is, I can't remove all the conditioned stories, theories, concepts, religious beliefs...etc....etc.... that most have been exposed to in life. Maybe some are hardened deep seeded beliefs. I wasn't raised in a religious family or culture pushing beliefs onto me and such. I don't know what it's like to entertain beliefs like karma, god, satan, soul, spirit, reincarnation, heaven, hell, infinite consciousness....etc...etc... Here all these concepts/beliefs seem absolutely ridiculous. When the mind is clouded by these endless conceptual stories and belief systems, there isn't any room left for basic understanding. The glass needs to be empty. The conceptual mind needs to be scrubbed and pressure washed out, like a young child again. The purging of the conditioned mind if you will. Enlightenment isn't about learning what's true. It isn't a knowing either. It's the removal of falsification revealing what was already the case!

I want to discuss how the “magic realm” connects to Actualized.org’s teachings. How do reincarnation, magic which affects the luck, health, relationship, career and various gods relate to the theories taught there?

No. Death belongs to body and mind. Such as saying illusion or nothing matters. Keep watching videos, reading and twerking. You are always what you are. Reincarnation, other life etc... all belongs to body and mind. When mind is surrendered there is no future for body, just simply reacting, flowing with life within moment.

Nothing is incarnated now, so nothing gets reincarnated later. Karma/incarnation/reincarnation are just concepts created by humans. There isn't a you or a me incarnated in the bodies now.......it's just the bodies! Soul, spirit, karma, god, satan, heaven, hell, reincarnation ......... These are all just human made fictional concepts. That body is not this body the same way that this body is not a cows body and so on. Humans are desperately afraid of death. They simply can't face it and be realistic. So they just created their own concepts about life and death to make themselves feel secure and warm and fuzzy inside. Then these conditioned concepts are simply passed down to their offspring who get brainwashed into believing these silly concepts. Death is only scary because it's unfamiliar and inconceivable for the body. Death is the end of that fear, it's also the end of bravery. Bodily death is the end of the human story permanently.

You think that those three things now *found something out*? Skepticism, it's thought as something, which is doubting ideas about spirit, and certain about ideas about matter: For example, it doubts in emotions, personal cognition and existance of life, explaining that it's the energy, which moves matter in large, dead toxic waste. I hear it along these lines. Properly, skepticism is to not close the topics, but to add more and more unknowns: this is philosophy. The "results" skeptics achieved are not skepticism. For example, skeptic said "there is 1% probability of reincarnation, therefore it's not true": skepticism is *not* about believing things, which have 99% probability; if you have 10 such things, you have around 90% probability of learning truly; with 20 things which are 99% probable, your "science" is starting to approach 80% probability. We do not have "fallback cases": skeptics are very sure that "if this is false, the other one is true" - rather, where did you get this other one, and how can absense have this beyond-statistical model that if all statistics fails, absense is simpler and true? Materialist scientific approach: Many people who are "arguing" against spirituality using scientific materialist approach are annoying me a lot. They have history of debunking people, using very weird words etc. They think this is the righteous side of neutral science, which has done it's work and is now making others homeless, jobless and useless as their practical work, based on "neutral science discussions" where they were proudly repeating that nobody was attacked under this philosphical conversation. While I wasn't *so* proud for nobody being attacked in neutral conversations, rather such conversation seems easy and natural; the people who are proud of it, have many real-life consequences and claim that neutrality is now "impossible" as they found out others are wrong; Do not trust in this people; they say it's skeptical and scientific to be laymen, peasants and idiots making science claims: Materialist: must really understand the philosophical doctrine of cause and effect, matter etc., but they cannot be materialist if they do not believe in spirit, because deduction that goals do not exist is false. If spirit is not carrying goals in humans, it must be matter in humans, and then matter has goals: in body and shape of life, animals and ourselves. Materialist science "position" is rather mine - despite being spiritual, I do all math, I program, I can do physics, engineering, hard math. People who can not do all these things, who cannot freely study the simple sciences about things, manipulate and control those things properly and build with both new and old technology and means: people who start making forgiveness claims when asked to do the real math - calculate it up, build a system, show how many wheels go in - are not scientific materialists: they are non-scientific materialists, and claims that there are any "results" about discussions of spiritual and material people is wrong: we do not have this result that goal-based life forms do not exist because "it"'s material. Being skeptical does not mean you desperately need to get some "right" understanding from materialist scientists: It means you are tolerant about false claims, and people who are wrong are generally not dangerous. Instead of carrying the "neutral science" to the "right side", and fighting to make other homeless, jobless and useless as if you are under heavy threat: really skeptical people, societies etc. are very tolerant for people who got it wrong or right, not by having fighting the right view, but by questioning, doubting and verifying their everyday things, on everyday basis, not expecting some ultimate success where somebody renders somebody else false. Lately I was heavily criticized for not using scientific, neutral arguments about skeptics and atheists in my life and otherwere: We did have initial assumption that it's going to be scientific argument; people I refer have long been debunking, and making claims about ability to work based on spirituality: they say, people with spirit understanding are not able to work; only the people who draw bullshit conclusions are. I am not using bad language: the words I use do not seem worse than "debunk", and the effects they give cannot be worse than what I have seen - huge percent of back then hopeful people are not more or less outcase, because they believe people have goals and are not just floating around causes and effects, being "made of dead matter" and therefore - dead as dead.

Forget about enlightenment for now. Just let's talk like regular human being "without being spiritual or God" (what a bullshit) 😂 After physical birth, the mind or brain becomes active, and with that brain, you appear, your personality, experience, beliefs, ideas etc... happens. You can say no, brain or mind was always here before birth, so where the fuck was your experiences, ideas, beliefs before physical birth? So, when body dies, you die, your experiences die, your god dies. The you forget or lost the mind that forgets it creates you, your experiences, beliefs and ideas etc... Then what is left ? 😊 Reincarnation, God, any experience, nihilism, non duality, no self, neo Adviata, being spiritual, solipsism all is bullshit. The mind has created you in order to play with you. 😂

Maybe that idea about reincarnation is true, but maybe it isn't. We don't know the structure of reality.

@Majed People hate death and suicide, because they're life addicts. Also they have misconceptions about what death is. Death isn't about reincarnation or heaven or hell or nothing. Death is about a surrender of the body to infinite consciousness, which is God. The dysfunction isn't suicide, the dysfunction is your relationship to death.

@LastThursday I had this funny moment two years ago. I had an Ayahuasca ceremony and in the evening I was lying in my bed. I was not in the peak high but almost sober again, just the afterglow. I felt very much aware, calm state, my thoughts very clear, orderly and sharp. I was pondering this and that, some insights about me and the world that came to me during the last 24h. And then it suddenly hit me. "I have been here before". I don't mean in sense of reincarnation, but in a sense of "I had all this clarity, and insights, and epiphanies before." Most of it I wasn't new, I just forgot. Some insights I lived, others I didn't. No matter how clear they seemed to me in whatever state. And now, when I see myself or others proclaim big insights, I typically treat it with a certain scepticism until I see the action in real life.

I have officially broke my sanity I am god forever alone in hell. Understand that this has nothing to do with Leo I knew about solipsism way before Leo!!! My ocd and mental illness latches onto this shit and I have officially broken my sanity barrier also if you think I’m bullshitting you can look me up on Facebook!!!!! I am now hearing voices and seeing visions I am fucking insane I am going to fucking end my life I have to shed this mortal body I must go into a another dream where I forget for eternity I love you all as myself I love you I love you but I’m so fucking lonely I can’t do it anymore I keep attacking my family and accusing everyone I’m Neo in the fucking matrix playing with puppets I god to get the fuck out of this dream I plan to become GODHEAD I will find a reincarnation where I forget I am fucking god I am gonna cut my throat with a machete it’s in my fucking hands I have a bible in my hands too GOD IS THIS WHAT YOU FUCKING WANT AS ME YOI WANT ME YO FUCKOMG KILL YOU I HAVE TO SHED THIS BODY IT IS SICK AND TORMENTED I AM GOD I AM IN HELL HELL HELL HELL THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LEO I WAS FUCKING INSANE OVER SOLIPSISM BEFORE I KNEW LEO GURA AND THE COMMUNITY FUCK THIS SHIT FUCK THIS DREAM IK FUCKING OUT BRING ON THE POLICE AND DOCTORS THEY CAN COME GET ME AND WATCH ME CUT MY NECK OPEN FUCK ME FUCK GOD

How to Explain Eastern Taoist Magic? In 2023, while reading, I experienced a sudden and intense outbreak of somatic symptoms. It was so severe that I feel I needed to be hospitalized and placed on oxygen. Over the next 3 years, I worked with two postmodern Lacanian psychoanalysis PhDs who graduated in France. During that time, I did self-analysis and reading every day. I came to believe that everything was projected by language and symbols. As my symptoms calmed down, with companionship and increasing knowledge, I felt that I was making progress. But I also knew clearly that the core of my somatic episodes had not decreased in the slightest. When an episode happened, its intensity was exactly the same as it was three years ago. Later, half-jokingly, I contacted a Chinese Taoist priest and asked: “No matter how I look at it, nothing helps—could I be cursed or something? Hahaha.” He said he would take a look, and then told me: “You have Gong Tou on you, you have Bing Ma (spirit soldiers) on you, and there is an animal demon in your home.” I didn’t believe him, so I continued working with my postmodern psychoanalysts for another year. In the end, what I was facing drove me to the point of collapsing and I wanted to suicide. I happened to have a large sum of money in my hands, so I said: “I can’t spend it all anyway—just remove whatever ‘evil technique’ you say is there.” So he did. During the ritual, I still believed that the “evil technique” and “spiritual entities” he described didn’t exist at all. After it ended, I played around for a while and then went to sleep. The next day, when I woke up, I knew I‘m cured. And the psychoanalysis to cope with my somatic symptoms, which I had been doing for three full years, has stopped completely. My life has changed from 24h severe somatization、Vision distorted、triggers through music texts and sights to normal living. After that, through spending time with this Taoist, I learned a lot about the worldview they had. They believe that people come into the world through reincarnation. The purpose of life is awakening—cultivating oneself to truly become “Immortal.” Only by learning the magic teachings, with the help of gods/immortals, can one become an yin spirit after death, then cultivate into a shigong (master/ritual elder), and finally become a god. My original somatic symptoms have now completely disappeared. But what I experienced conflicts with what I learned on Actualized.org. How do Leo and you guys understand the idea that Taoist magic can directly affect reality? The Magic paper is for recovery，protection，luck，and remove evil qi.

Why? Why is this dream experience occurring? Do you believe that people right now are walking around in China, having their own experience? Or is life exactly like a dream? Meaning, when you leave a place, it stops existing. How do you stop the cycle of reincarnation? Can an insight or an enlightenment experience cut off the cycle of reincarnation? What role does desire play in this equation? Perhaps we are dreaming because we have desires for the world, or for the personal self? Do you believe that God created this dream? How can a loving, eternal, perfect being create something temporary, decaying, full of suffering and pain? Why is there suffering? Fundamentally, why did we or God choose to embark on this journey that is so painful? Why was the universe created? What is the fundamental purpose of form?

@Someone here I resonate with Ramana on the subject of reincarnation. To me, the very idea doesn’t compute. In fact I know zero about anything, I’m just playing with the knowledge I already have acquired, that was already here prior to my personal appearance. I then draw from this wellspring of words to form my own models of make belief realities, knowing full well it’s all just pure storytelling, speculation and wishful thinking, or even hellish musings that I too wouldn’t wish on anyone. In reality though, all I know, is that I know nothing, and I’m absolutely fine with innocence. Yes, I’m here talking about knowledge because what else is there to do but talk about knowledge. But what I have come to discover is that everyone who has ever talked about knowledge has drawn that knowledge from the exact same place, namely, nowhere. So even a tale told by someone’s personal direct experience is literally signifying nothing, because words are just labels, and labels know nothing about anything, how could they, it’s all just pure imagination, a dream. And to me personally, knowing I know nothing, is just pure blissful music to my ears. Forever basking in the pure innocence that is life and death ebbing and flowing from one form to another infinitely for eternity for no other apparent reason than it just does and there’s nothing anything can do about it.

The gap between lives though is also immediate. Just like the gap between falling asleep and waking up is felt as zero time from the inside out...even though from the outside in it appears to take time like multiple hours.. That is if you want to speak of the reincarnation model at all . No one has ever explained the reincarnation thing fully ..neither Leo or Sadhguru or Rupert Spira ..everyone is confused about this question. I read an interesting quote the other day ..people would come to ask Ramana Maharshi all sorts of philosophical questions when he was alive like this question about reincarnation..he would answer by asking this question " does this question occur to you when you are in deep sleep ?" And people would answer "no".. And Ramana would say "then it's not important "😂. Next level wokeness .

@gettoefl Its gaslighting of a false God to keep you reincarnation. You will die and God will say dont you want to come back? They say yes and are like fuck I was tricked.