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More Debunks! https://www.actualized.org/insights/why-masculinity-values-truth-more Okay... let's analyze! The idea that 'men value truth and women value feelings' is easily debunked by looking at women’s history (or frankly, any minority or repressed group). If men were truly high-value truth seekers, why did they feel the need to enslave, suppress, and exclude women from higher education, the workforce, and other knowledge-seeking and expanding opportunities? If valuing truth was so natural to them, why not just ask women what they wanted and fulfill their truth as well? You can’t claim to value truth if it’s only when it aligns with your perspective and serves your interests. There are many more arguments later that I’ll make that show men care about the truth only when it suits them emotionally. A true truth seeker would want others to seek truth too, to be enlightened as well. They would create systems that support this spiritual journey, not lock their students away next to washing machines or by the kitchen stove. And if you use the argument that 'those are just the corrupt men,' that's silly. You can't nitpick like that. I could throw a curveball and say, 'Oh, well, the only truly 'real' women are highly spiritual, intelligent, and rational women who are both in tune with their logic and emotions, every other woman is corrupt! She's not a valid representation of the feminine!' But that’s not how it works. You have to own the *truth* of all expressions of your gender and look at it rationally and *truthfully*. If your gender is disproportionately responsible for things like war, power struggles, greed, manipulation, oppression, and sexual exploitation when in power, then one should seriously question how truthful masculinity is by nature. Truth is not the same as effectiveness; in fact, they are often opposites. Survival is not inherently about truth. Sure, they can be correlated, but the fact that men are physically stronger and can bend, control, dominate, and threaten reality more than women might actually make them more prone to being untruthful. “Oh, I see… I'm the most powerful, alright! I’ll use the truth to my advantage and create my own version of reality.” It’s easy to manipulate the truth to build a spiritual cult, convince women to worship you, sleep with you, and brainwash them all. It’s effective for the ego, right? That’s how “truth” can be twisted into something that serves personal gain rather than genuine reality. I’m sure I don’t need to remind you how many men throughout history have created cults, ideologies, and religions to manipulate and misuse the truth. You can be aware of the truth, but if you twist it to deceive others, how truly aligned with the truth are you? If men were genuine, pure truth-seekers or enlightened gurus, they would seek to enlighten everyone, regardless of race, gender, or age. But history clearly shows us that this is the complete opposite of what’s actually happened. Also, you do realize this goes full circle, right? If you say women value men because they are truthful, that means women value truthfulness and pragmatism. But what do men value? Emotionally, they often seek softness, something smaller, younger, and less likely to threaten their ego. They want someone who won’t be too disagreeable, someone who won’t challenge them or tell them how it is, but will follow blindly, subserviently, and boost their ego, "Oh, my king!". Hmm? How strange... It’s curious how this all comes full circle, almost like men are the ones who need a partner to be deluded, feeding into their own delusions. If femininity really is this delusional, unintelligent, and irrational behavior, why are they so attracted to it? Effectiveness ≠ Truth If anything, I could flip this argument. The world often rewards men for how brutal, manipulative, and devilish they can be, essentially for their ability to dominate and bend reality. By nature, survival, and design, they are more likely to become liars, cheaters, and ego-driven, often falling down a corrupt path. I don’t want to repeat myself, but this issue goes both ways. If I saw statistically that men were more aligned with the truth of reality and fighting for it, while women were lost in delusions with their astrology and crystals, sure, that could be one thing. But that’s not the case. What we’re really seeing is human ego and greed playing out on both sides. Men often come to terms with the brutal truth of reality, yet instead of helping, they exploit the system for their gain, creating more manipulative industries, crypto scams, sex cults, harmful ideologies, and pyramid schemes, rather than contributing to something meaningful. Let’s flip the argument again: consider that women are often most vulnerable to their very mating partners, who are their natural predators in many ways. This is a hard, cold reality to face. The question is: Who faces the harshest truths in nature, the predator or the prey? Who’s more painfully aware of reality? The one who has the power to tear apart, or the one who’s constantly aware they can be torn apart at any second? On the topic of business: Research shows that, on average, men take more risks than women, both physically and financially, which may help explain why female-led companies often have steadier, long-term growth. MSCI reported that companies led by women saw 10‑point better returns on equity over time. Male-led companies may pursue faster growth, but often at the cost of higher risk and volatility. In contrast, female-led companies often achieve more sustained and stable growth. During crises like the pandemic, firms led by women were perceived as less risky, had better credit quality, and weathered downturns more reliably than male-led firms. A large-scale study of nearly 99,400 global firms found that companies led by women consistently outperformed male-led ones on exploitation metrics, such as productivity, innovation, and capacity utilization, but showed lower growth in sales and aggressive expansion behaviors like asset acquisition. Men are much more likely to punch, attack, or street fight, whereas women are more likely to express crying, issues, or vulnerability; both of these are impulsive, non-stoic expressions, not grounded, logical approaches. Being ruthless and warlike has very little to do with actual enlightenment or truth. It's much more of a Stage Red argument. If you look at the average yogi or monk, they often embody qualities that might be considered more feminine: calm, peaceful, non-ruthless, patient, detached from material reality, and distant from war. But of course, you could flip these definitions and argue that they’re also very masculine in their stoicism, emotional detachment, independence, and resilience. In reality, they embody both qualities. The core argument is this: yes, you might be forced to confront harsher truths, but that doesn’t mean you necessarily value or appreciate them more. And again, I’m not convinced that men are more compelled to value truth. Think about all the victimization, abuse, torture, and rape that women endure, and their overwhelming helplessness in the face of it. That can be just as awakening as any brutal reality check; it’s an intense, harsh truth of its own. Truth certainly demands the harshness of reality, but it also often requires safety and privilege to even access it. Buddha, for instance, could only retreat to a cave because he already had every material need taken care of. He had the privilege of detachment from survival. So, in that sense, I could argue that men, being more occupied with survival, might have less mental and emotional space to engage with spirituality. Women, on the other hand, might have more time to be spiritually aware or reflective because they’re less consumed by the demands of physical survival. Science, rationality, pragmatism, empiricism, logic, and systematization are what you get when you focus solely on those aspects of reality. That’s why ‘mystics’ and highly open-minded individuals, who weren’t afraid to explore the paranormal, undefined, and more 'chaotic', often ‘feminine’ parts of reality, were needed to make greater scientific breakthroughs. It’s also funny how liberalism is viewed here as a more progressive and correct view, yet if I ask some hardcore, masculine, grungy redneck, they'd say liberalism is for 'pussy beta cucks' and that you're not a real man if you hold that perspective! This means conservatism is seen as largely more masculine, not liberal; yet somehow, the feminine is considered the higher perspective? In fact, if an objective alien were to observe both from a non-partisan perspective, they’d probably conclude that conservatism feels more masculine, while liberalism feels more feminine. I could argue: "Oh! Men are often more likely to get stuck in the endless pursuit of self-preservation, resource gathering, and power hunger, remaining in stages like Red or Orange in terms of consciousness. On the other hand, women are more likely to be in Stage Green, which is more focused on community, empathy, and interconnectedness. This puts them in a much better position to access higher levels of consciousness, like Tier 2 (Yellow, Turquoise, etc.), where a more holistic and integrative worldview can emerge!" But what’s less obvious is that love also demands truth. Without truth, you cannot truly love or care for another person, especially children. Your emotions, intentions, and actions must align with the reality of the person you care about, their needs, their struggles, and their growth. If you delude yourself about your partner, you risk losing them. If you ignore the truth about your children's needs, their development, their struggles, you’ll fail them. The world of relationships, like the battlefield or business, demands an honest view of the reality you’re in. If you deceive yourself about your partner's feelings or your children's needs, you’ll lose your connection to them. Love that is built on fiction, on denial or self-deception, is ultimately fragile and unsustainable. True love is rooted in an honest understanding of each other, where both parties are seen clearly, without distortion. Why is it often the men who are absent from their children's lives? Why do so many men end up with second families, struggle with fidelity, rely heavily on porn, or constantly demean and compare their partners? Why is the domestic violence rate so much higher? Why is it that so many men show so little interest in their partners' lives and needs? It’s almost a sad, ironic meme at this point: dads forgetting holidays, birthdays, or missing parent-teacher conferences. It's like society has normalized this neglect, turning it into a joke. Why is this behavior so common? You can’t selectively value truth. If you only care about the truth on the battlefield but ignore it when it comes to loving your family, then you don’t actually care about the truth; you care about fueling your ego. You want to be the hero, the protector, the savior, the cool, edgy, tough soldier. If you can’t be truthful with the people you love, then you're just living in a delusion of your own making. I agree to some extent, but if men were truly these high-level truth-seekers, why are so many of them avoiding socializing, depressed, constantly playing video games, and spending their time debating their favorite ideologies on online forums? If masculinity is so deeply connected to truth, shouldn’t we see a clear discrepancy between how this "Gen Z modern" lifestyle is affecting men vs. women? Also, if women were so desperate for someone to take care of them, why do we see female ideologies pushing for pro-choice, higher education, delayed marriage, the 4B movement, women in business, and advocating for more and more independence? If femininity is so reliant on being taken care of, desperately wanting to stay in "La La Land", wouldn’t these movements reflect that? It’s also curious that many men complain about women not being subservient enough, while women are clearly pushing for greater autonomy. Does this really follow the path of a "truth seeker"? And when we look at voting patterns, who do you think elected Trump? The gender disparity in voting is massive, and it tells a very different story about what genders currently value. Men often complain that women are too vulgar, not sweet, soft, as easily influenced, or feminine enough. They point out how women are out-earning them and have more ambition. Meanwhile, women tend to prefer when their guy is more direct and straightforward. So, who here really seems to value truth more? And who is trying to protect their ego from being hurt? It’s clear that the ones pushing for softness and maintaining their ego might be more concerned with image than truth. How is this a good point for men? Imagine if we flipped the scenario: women are far more suited for truth because which woman would go fight a war to protect her family? That action is far more suitable for a man than a woman. To prioritize truth over everything and everyone else is a hell of a thing, and it comes more naturally to women than men. That’s why nature allowed men to be stronger, to fight and protect, while women focus on spirituality, doing their yoga and witchcraft. Who’s really facing the true, harsh reality of survival here? The one who’s protecting something so vulnerable, just after giving birth, in a jungle, while struggling to keep a newborn alive? It's funny how convenient it is to abandon your wife and children in the name of "spiritual seeking," and then turn around and claim she’s the delusional one. You can’t flip-flop and nit-pick these arguments. You can’t say men are "more hardcore" because they go to war "Grrr... raw survival, pragmatism, guns, bombs, aghhh!" and value truth for that, but then say that they leave their families to go sit in a cave, abandoning the women to take on the brutal, life-or-death responsibility of caring for the child. How does that make sense? How does that follow? It should take zero brain cells to realize that nurturing a newborn, especially after experiencing the death-risking potential of pregnancy, is extremely hardcore. To assume that women don’t value truth in order to survive is simply naive. In fact, the history of countless men, many of whom were intellectual, spiritual, or simply able to sit in caves for years, contemplating mathematical problems, highlights the privileged and cushy survival conditions they had. Meanwhile, most women were immediately thrust into roles where they had to please their husbands and work to ensure their own survival. On top of that, they were often viewed as prizes or targets in war, subjected to rape, torture, and sexual exploitation. To claim that women lived in some sort of airy, protected survival fantasy is a narrow, myopic perspective.
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Natasha Tori Maru replied to Leo Gura's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Anyone thirsty for more stuff - Roswell UFO incident W. Glen Dennis interview - He claimed he visited the base hospital and saw unusual wreckage and was warned to leave. Later, a nurse (whom he never named definitively) supposedly told him about autopsies on small alien bodies. This guy reads more authentic to me. Who knows https://youtu.be/_DA-g94Ro1I?si=IziC9VAnSf1XYUvc -
Natasha Tori Maru replied to Leo Gura's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
This shit below is more my jam - I don't read others theories. I try to go for first-hand recounts. OFC it could be completely full of shit, a LARP etc. This is more going into the NHI that are associated with UAPs It's interesting. I will sit through these interviews and scope body language, tonal reads, facial micro-expressions. I slow them down and watch for a full analysis. I even cross reference other interviews with individuals to try to get a read on how genuine, authentic and candid they are (also to get their baseline). This one caught me, and I return to it often. Guy claims to have had contact with an alien. My conclusion is he is deluding himself. There is some mixture of truth and lies in this. The story of J-Rod: -
Not sure if I want to put them on the thoughts and insighs thread: Its easier to live in society as a humanized animal then a humanized alien.
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Joe Rogan : "do they talk at all about what it said " James Fox : "it said that they felt sorry for the human species not realising their, their potential of who they really are , like they are not , like we don't realize as a race who we really are, it's in his book " Joe Rogan : " do you know what they mean by that " James Fox : " that we don't recognize , I mean I am not quite sure , I guess that we don't realise the potential we have as human beings , I am not sure " #1976 - James Fox 1:37:00 On a nice summer's drive recently I was deciding to listen to a Joe Rogan podcast as you do . I decided on James fox , an alien investigator who had recently made a film about a well documented event in Brazil - 'Moment of contact' . In this podcast they talk about some extremely convincing cases and man I was loving it . And then an hour in he talks about one where an alien crashes with many many witnesses bla bla bla , and then they take the alien to the hospital and which is where the alien telepathically communicated the quoted above . Imagine my suprise Give the whole episode a listen for more context .
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You have to find a real source, not humans speculating, but an actual alien. Like Bashar. Yes craft. Bob Lazar also confirms this.
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Natasha Tori Maru replied to Leo Gura's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@Joshe I consider the UFO phenomenon to be originating from consciousness - outside the overlay that is space and time. This means for me it cannot be understood from the perspective of space and time. Again, my opinions on this matter are just ideas, and until one has direct experience they technically don't exist. I am not attached to any idea and quite open. I will add I am tainted somewhat but having direct experience with entities. But I always turn back to this and doubt what I experienced. Testimonials from alleged individuals who have worked with the technology, and alien bodies. And had contact experiences. I don't really like to read other people's wild theories - more go to alleged first hand sources -
Does the "infinite consciousness" model, that Leo talks about, namely that consciousness is all there is, answer the question "What happens after we die?"? The model implies that after we die an infinite number of possible scenarios could occur. You could be reborn as any sort of being (a snail, an alien). You could awaken as "God" and realize you were dreaming the whole thing. You could wake up in Christian heaven. You could remember past lives or you could wake up not remembering anything of past lives (similar to the current scenario). You could wake up as another human and die and do it all over again. Right?
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It just all seems to easily fall apart. “Space ship” is a ship traveling through space. Is it more likely the purpose of an alien spaceship is to travel small distances or large distances through space? What happened? There were just little worker aliens transporting cargo from their 3rd planet to their 5th and got caught up in an interdimensional portal that just happened to open up here? And once they were in our solar system, how far did they have to travel before they crashed on earth? Do most theories you look into involve an alien ship or just an alien body that showed up? Any theory that involves a ship and or travel/transport from one physical location to ours is highly improbable, and as far as I can see, those are the only means to get from A to B. I’m open to wormholes and maybe even advanced life forms being able to teleport or alter space/time, but to get from A to B requires a mechanism. To speculate what that mechanism is beyond anything we’ve ever scientifically confirmed or theorized is, as Leo likes to say “Fantasy”. If I were to consider it plausible that an advanced being can alter space/time of physical reality, I would be engaging in fantasy (which can be fun) because there’s not even a hint of evidence to support this. If new evidence comes out, I won’t reject it, but currently it is in the same ballpark as believing in ghosts, but actually even more outlandish. @Salvijus don’t worry, I won’t steal your sunshine. I hope alien rumination brings you much entertainment and joy.
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Breakingthewall replied to AION's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Natasha Tori Maru Imagine you're a woman who comes from a family of successful professionals, very focused on social status. During your childhood, your relationship with your parents was acceptable; they were demanding but not bad people. From childhood, you internalized that you should be accepted, fulfill your role, not be less than your siblings. Love? Well, I guess so, some. They do their best. You managed to live up to expectations, found a partner, a job as a lawyer, and had children. None of this really interested you much; the basis of your movement was not to be left behind. Do you love your children? Well, you think so. You try the best for them, although dealing with them was always tense. And your husband? Do you know him? You think so. He's a good person, he doesn't treat you badly. Everything is so strange, alienating. Sometimes you daydream about your family dying, and you immediately feel enormously guilty. Besides, what would you do? Alone, in middle age, sad. Sadness. Everything is strange, alien. You start having obsessive thoughts about your health and that of your children. You don't understand why, you don't understand anything. You go to the psychologist, you explain things, it helps you let go, but the sadness continues, and old age and death are right in front of you. Then, are your thoughts the cause of your suffering, or a consequence of an energetic structure built in a whole life in contact with an environment that creates those structures? It's real, built in decades, layers and layers of structure. You must be, let's say determinate and smart to penetrate to the bottom and destroy it. Maybe you should be someone determined to conquer the reality. Unfortunately, the most probably is that woman wont be that , but there are medicines, and some videos about self help to have some illusion that you are creating your suffering, and if you stop thinking everything would be wonderful -
What are the actual issues are you referring to? Not interested in the alien stuff, only got aware of it from this forum.
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Water by the River replied to Resurrection's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Not that any of use will achieve this fullly: ... here in our lifetime. Yet, it is my experience that a view oriented towards that makes it much easier to stay open in Awakened Awareness in daily life considering all survival (which I prefer as concept) / corruption (which can easily close ones sobre Awakening down, which is why I prefer survival since its easier to have compassion then) on our lovely little backwater planet Earth. Planet Earth, a playground which in our present time seems largely to be a Kindergarten of developing souls. Which, in itself, is also a precious learning and development opportunity for all those souls engaged in the survival/corruption of the lower Spiral Dynamic stages. I don't consider you as such. Honestly, I quite like you and your development over the last years, having Truth as uncompromising North Star and guidance. By definition, that North Star leads to the Summum Bonum of the Good, Truth and Beautiful ("Wikipedia, The transcendentals (Latin: transcendentalia, from transcendere "to exceed") are "properties of being", nowadays commonly considered to be truth, unity (oneness), beauty, and goodness" ), to becoming the Alien this life or the next. And then maybe, "like shepherds of consciousness, tending its evolution across vast expanses of life and energy.... as they do to millions and billions of other lives and consciousnesses within the field of their awareness—as if it were the brightest, most valuable flame in creation." So, Godspeed and bon voyage on/in/as the River! -
If aliens could make it here, wouldn’t it be highly likely they would have absolutely mastered the physical domain? Such that they wouldn’t crash land on our planet? Such an alien civilization with the tech to travel through worm holes and harness energy from stars would likely have been in existence for hundreds of millions of years. Maybe for them, flying by our planet would be like us walking by an ant and earth would be just another habitable planet out of a billion others that they could easily warp drive to. Also, if a civilization survives as long as required to master the physical domain, it’s more likely than not that they have transcended war and are peaceful. This idea that haphazard aliens are incompetently crashing on our planet and aliens are gonna come after us seems absurd af.
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Have you guys heard about the whole “hostile alien space ship will come to earth by November” shenanigans
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Mayonnaise replied to Mayonnaise's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
lol idk i felt kind of dumb. I saved it so i'll post it again Original post: I already know that the natural unfolding of God is imagining "expansion" (including all the change,etc.) for eternity. Everything that has ever came into imagination by it of this world, the universe, other universes, other dimensions, other minds, alien minds, the mind of an ant, human, tree, planet, mailbox in another dimension etc. (you get the point, everything) Really anything thats imagined by the "essence" to "exist" or "be" and all the layers embedded within all of it. I know its all coming from the same thing and human interpretation is whats coloring it in to be understood by a human lens and separating and categorizing things. But if you take it all away, then what are you left with? Void? nothing? possibility? The substrate of a mind that imagines things and realities? But what is the substrate of God? I'm still trying to understand "Why?" Why does it exist? why is there what it is and not other? or is that just being imagined by human mind? Why when i stare at my hands, why is that being imagined there by me? by god? If God is infinity, what is infinity encapsulated by? nothing? the things that are being imagined from it? If you take away all the imagination of god, everything in all forms/dimensions,etc., and you are left with nothing being imagined. what is that thing doing the imagining of all the things? And is that thing being imagined? No matter the content of what it imagines or the structure of how it unfolds, I want to know what that "vessel" or "essence" is . What is doing the imagining? where is "all things ever" spawning from? If you imagine an ever unfolding expansion of all things, including the infinite sea of things i am not aware of, what is doing the imagining and why is it doing it? Like why is the function of god to imagine infinity? Try to imagine the start of all imagination. If there is truly no end and no beginning to the imagination, then wtf is this thing and why is it? Why is the function of God to imagine things to infinity? Try to put yourself in Gods shoes. Where does it originate from? Why is it like that? I cannot get myself past the questions of why and where it comes from. where (where it started, how it started, if it even started at all, etc.) and then the "why". Someones answer might be "love, or for consciousness to become more intelligent, etc." But why? how do you even know that? How do you know youre not just trying to put something into human language to try and define it in a way you understand? If you took away everything and were just left with the void of nothingness, just pure god, not imagining anything. how can that actually be nothing if that same thing is whats spawning and birthing the imagination of everything? Like what is "that thing" thats doing it all? where did it come from, why is it? I hope I don't sound silly, I am genuinely just trying to grasp something that appears to be ungraspable. I'm trying to define it or understand it without diluting it just so I "can" understand it. I don't want my human experience diluting the truth of what it really is just so i can understand it. -
Jannes replied to Mmartinez's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Haha the mainstream understanding of philosopy. Yes primary insight aka direct experience is king because it is absolutely true. Secondary insights aka concepts about direct experience are always open for debate. I havent verified most of these claims in my direct experience yet but I just want to comment on these two: Well consciousness allows this to happen obviously. But it would be a limit on consciousness if it only allowed that to happen. You should also be careful with how you integrate these absolute truths, because we deal with relative truths in everyday life. Its good that we as a society dont allow rape, murder or other crimes to happen. Not sure what you mean by ego minds perception. All there exists are states of consciousness, if you think that all your experience is rendered by your ego, including mysical experiences, perhaps the experience of a cat, a tree an alien, 'free-love' , ... whatever then yes. -
Leo Gura replied to Resurrection's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Great. When I reach Alien level you can hold me to that standard. Until then I guess you're just stuck with asshole old me. -
Water by the River replied to Resurrection's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Ever thought about how your Alien considers you? "I have encountered subtle beings in the higher-order realms in comparison to whom my consciousness is not much more evolved than the sentiency I find in my sofa. Their response to me is always loving, caring, considerate, and appropriate. They are like shepherds of consciousness, tending its evolution across vast expanses of life and energy. The light of my sentiency is like a shadow compared to theirs, yet they tend to it—as they do to millions and billions of other lives and consciousnesses within the field of their awareness—as if it were the brightest, most valuable flame in creation. This is the true implication of saying that everything is alive. We are each caretakers for the consciousnesses evolving around us, particularly those of lesser complexity and capacity than our own." - David Spangler, Subtle Worlds. An Explorer’s Field Note -
LoneWonderer replied to Leo Gura's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
What's the latest with our aliens bro's people? I've been looking around but nothing good so far. Ross blabing about speculative theories, Area52 nothing noteworthy of late and Jesse Michael brings on neuroscients speaking out his ass about aliens on psychedelics...😮💨. I NEED MY ALIENS FIX! But nothing good lately. At least Leo has a few new Alien books on his booklist keeping me occupied. I still can't make up my mind if any of this stuff is real or just mass delusion. I've been looking at this topic on and off since 2020. Everybody in this space has so many different weird and wacky theories but at least it's a source of entertainment on an afternoon off. -
I'm sure that Leo believes what he's saying. I believed what I was saying too when I was valuing and identifying with solitude. But is it truly him loving solitude? Or is a way of rationalizing his own avoidant tendencies to himself by framing them more in the positive? I know from personal experience that it's possible to believe the former... but to have the reality be the latter. And if you didn't notice... he spends a lot of his time socializing on this forum. So, he says "I value solitude" to a group of people who values him and who see value in his pursuits... of whom he interacts with almost every single day. So, he clearly values social interaction. He just doesn't identify himself as someone who values it as valuing social connection is common. A pattern that I've experienced has been a strong identification and enjoyment of solitude... along with an attempt to make myself a rare person who is rare in quality and kind. But there is a pattern of using this to differentiate myself from other people as a way to feel "a cut above" others by "being the rare person" who enjoys solitude and who is aware enough to value things of a higher nature. It's like being a special and extraordinary alien living among the dull and dreary ordinary humans. And there's an ego boost that comes along with that tendency that helps one distinguish themselves from the "contemptibly common" qualities of the masses. But in my medicine journeys, I have recognized that there are deep patterns of disconnection that have come from years and years of differentiating myself from others... and conceptualizing of myself as alien-like in my divergences from the norm (including but not limited to a proclivity for solitude and the valuation of higher achievement and higher states of awareness... as well as an attempt to be a rare person). And this coping strategy has many boons to it. You really can reach to heights that most people aren't so interested in reaching. And so much potential can be realized in this hyper-individuation path. But it is usually borne out of first feeling different and alien in a bad way... such that one eventually embraces this difference and builds an identity of being alien in a good way. And while this coping strategy has many positives to it, it creates a sense of disconnection from other people, from nature, and from the universe at large. And one feels that one cannot belong without proving one's self special and divergent through rarity of identity. I see these same kinds of patterns playing out in Leo's M.O. from the way he speaks about valuing solitude. It reminds me of me. So, I can't simply take his statements around valuing at face value (especially since he spends a lot of his time socializing).
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This is a response to the following blog post: https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-043 Obviously, we have very little idea of what exactly Leo means by this just from one paragraph. However, it does seem to be a plausible result of pushing substances such as DMT, ayahuasca, or mushrooms to their ultimate extent. I’ve taken ayahuasca at moderately high doses 8 times over the past year, and there definitely is an alien strangeness to it that’s difficult to describe or contextualize within any sort of conventional understanding of reality. In one of my recent trips, I delved into the territory of what would be called “regular insanity”. It didn’t get to the point of full blown psychosis, but I did experience extreme confusion, an inability to understand basic concepts of reality, and a sense of radical expansiveness that made thoughts seem irrelevant. Insanity to almost anyone is a quite unpleasant experience, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it lacks value. A key component of generating new insights is first breaking down old frameworks. Ideally, one would strike a balance between chaos and order, such as what occurs in the flow state. This has also been called the zone of proximal development. However, the more radical psychedelic states require pushing further than this. It’s sometimes necessary to go too far to gain a broader understanding of what’s possible. During my trips, I think of this as dancing with the line between sanity and insanity. Even so, it’s difficult for me to think of complete insanity as being anything other than undesirable. If the goal is Truth, then Insanity would certainly be a large component. However, if Truth is Infinity, then your goal would be everything. Having Everything as a goal, though, isn’t a goal at all, it’s the same as not having a goal. Because having a goal implies there’s a difference between what is and isn’t desired. If the main purpose of actualized.org is still personal development, then spirituality can be thought of as self actualization taken to its ultimate extent. However, that would imply that there’s a difference between what can be considered developed versus undeveloped. Therefore, it would be possible for me to claim that Insanity (even of the “Alien” variety) is spirituality gone wrong if it leads to mental dysfunction. It may be foolish for me to ask if Insanity can be achieved “safely”, as it seems to be the precise opposite of safety. This comes across to me as an extreme form of nihilism, as I imagine that one could fully awaken to the fact that they were never a human, but still be content living out the rest of this human dream relatively normally. If Infinity is the Truth, then shouldn’t we try to cultivate the highest of what’s possible? Doesn’t that seem better than succumbing to cosmic madness? Because no matter how high of an awakening you reach, don’t you then have to come back to your life and do something with it?
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After a long time, finally I've tried a new psychedelic. So I'm happy to share the experience. I took a ginger tea before the experience and got an intuitive feeling of when I did enough digestion so that the come up and plug would be gentle. The initial come up is similar to mushrooms, yet it was more "pure", less background noise so to speak or messiness, it had this natural initial vibes and so it keep going up. What I discovered then is the spirit of the psychedelic. I don't know how other people encounter this but for me there are two types of psychedelics, one's which have a personality or spirit and others which dont. Without entering into too much depth and comparison, I totally felt that in the first 2h I was guided and in communion with what felt like the pure version of mushrooms and jungle/nature like energy. I'm aware that this is a fabrication of consciousness, as all of reality, but it's a nice experience, it felt loving and guiding. As the trip kept getting deeper, it was interesting to see that the mushroom vibe slowly drifted and the DMT vibe came more and more prominent, visuals went sharp, crisp, colourful and bright. At this point I was meditating and got into very interesting energetic spaces. I hadn't visually tripped for long, so I had to rearrange the visual dimension inside my consciousness and tapped into my hyperbolic alien mind. It felt like rearringing a room after quite some time without doing it or like solving a dancing 5D puzzle, that included: body, mind, energy, space, sound, light and consciousness. I felt my Mind interconnecting deeper and having synesthesia and other interconnecting phenomena. At this point I brokethrough into Universal Consciousness, which means that I become fully aware of all of Reality as Pure Consciousness and then it gets locked in this state-space. It felt nice and while I have access to this state both in other psychedelics and sober, 4-AcO-DMT gave it's unique flavour to this facet and I feel grateful for it. Having finished the work, I went to my computer and checked my personal word file of genius from all fields. It's so fascinating and nourishing to do this practice while tripping, my consciousness connected with each mind and walked through their whole psyche, like tasting an ice cream and then integrated and awakened parts of my brain. It's like mirroring neurons on steroids. I watched spiritual transmissions as well, which were very powerful to stretch my consciousness into new states and facets that I'm not tapping commonly. There really is no end into the variety and expressions consciousness can take, it's truly fascinating. My aim is to explore them as much as possible, what I call the domain of Conscious Experiences, with the final aim of making my consciousness mature in requisite variety and ever more Infinite. In this line, I truly find mirrors fascinating. I have come to the conclusion that the most mystical physical object that exists are mirrors. Literally, a mirror is pure reflecting consciousness, it's so profound that it brings me to tears just writing about it. We take mirrors so much for granted, and every time I trip... I'm just blown away by the power of mirrors. So yes, lots of inner work, balancing and self exporation happened. I liked the visual component (which in the past I thought as distracting) to be so useful in expressing the visual dimension of some face of reality or your psyche. For example, you can work with a trauma, but with a visual inducing psychedelic, you SEE the trauma, or you see parts of your brain, their inner wiring so to speak. The same with awakenings, you may have the insight, the energy, the state, the space, the consciousness; now adding the visualization of it makes it even more holistic. At this point, I was getting so conscious that my body started overheating and my nervous system was being taxed. I kinda cooled down, but it was quite intense, the gates in my mind and consciousness were open and everything was flowing, so I just brokethrough the limit of body resistance. It was very profound actually. Although after doing it, I still decided to bring grounding energy to make my conscious experience more whole and sublime. It's like being a chef in consciousness, you get to mold it and add more salt, or sugar, play with the tastes, shapes, spaces, feelings, etc. As much as your ability allows to. The comedown was sweet and very gradual, almost unnoticeable till it was evident. The interesting part was to see the progression of the substance, I really enjoyed the pure mushroom like come up, its loving spirit took me by the hand from baseline human consciousness into higher consciousness, eventually so we merged into selfless crystalline DMT space, unificating my whole consciousness and making it absolute. So absolutely recommend it, the duration for me is perfect, long enough to work but not jarring and exhausting. It's pure clear and stable, I like its workings and personality. 4-AcO-DMT is certainly profound and suited for Spiritual Work.
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Water by the River replied to Flowerfaeiry's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
"For example, there is a thought-form of Jesus held and maintained by the thoughts and devotion of millions of Christian believers. Jesus to them represents a sacred figure to whom they can turn in prayer for guidance and help. A being such as a discarnate human teacher from the higher-order worlds may respond to such prayers or seek to contact a believer but is either unnoticed or rejected because he doesn’t fit within that believer’s worldview. However, if he “slips into” the Jesus thought-form and uses it as a mode of communication and contact, then the believer may well respond and accept the help that is given. (It should be noted that the “Jesus thought-form” is a template that can be used simultaneously by many inner beings, much as many people might buy and wear a particular mask on Halloween.)" David Spangler- Subtle Worlds. An Explorer's Field Notes. Alien Wanchutakka on the third planet of the star system of Zeta Aurigae probably doesn't get to see Jesus, but another archetype of the Kosmic Christ Archetype. And he gets to see the same love/light/compassion archetype (maybe with 6 arms), a powerful defence against dark subtle forces/entities/tricksters. And for the its all imagined and hence nothing is really serious/evil/threatening aficionados: The battle between good and evil is as real as everything else. Or as imagined as everything else. In other words, for the non-24/7 awakened that battle is very real & very serious & very threatening and dangerous. And even the more 24/7 inclined ones tend to take these appearing manifestations very serious and as quite real. Makes one more efficient in daily life, since ones worldview better fits the appearing reality-manifestation. The invocation of the energy/being of Jesus Christ (or a similiar energy and/or beings of love light, often called the Kosmic Christ) dispells these dark subtle beings and energies, and is known in various forms since the beginning of time. The ones who dabble into subtle and/or psychic realms (including psychedelic journeys) without protection and not taking these possible dark aspects/beings serious, and at the same time claim "its all imagined, nothing serious, no "real" evil here for sure" have the high risk to come back with some forms of influences from darker energies/beings/tricksters in various forms attached to them as leeches, manipulating them and leeching off their resulting negative energy (Spangler, Subtle Worlds. Field Notes Seventeen – Here be Dragons) ranging from increased self-inflation/self-importance to less-than-loving and compassionate tendencies concerning all the fallen human flock/negativity towards other beings/humanity some worldviews that ignore all of these dynamics stated above, and influences towards subtly twisted world-views some tendencies that are not really beneficual towards achieving or stabilizing Awakening/Compassion/Boddhichitta because of the resulting negativity, to put it mildly. "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist". "That you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." Matthew 5:45 Rolling Stones & the Devil(s) & Kosmic Christs appearing in the eddies of the River while... Selling Water by the River -
Natasha Tori Maru replied to Flowerfaeiry's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I mean I like to think I am reasonably grounded - but I see fucken DMT entities, have had alien experiences. I even perceive thoughts that aren't my own picked up from outside sources - which I find verified in reality. I do not draw conclusions without a real knowing. But the strangeness and mystery is THERE. I think it is highly likely, prior to these historical figures, these light beings and profound experiences would have been viewed as ancestors. Which just points to perhaps consciousness enduring beyond death - conscious forms from the past that return from the absolute to provide a glimpse for us immersed in maya. 'Kinetic' consciousness returning to a 'potential' to be tapped into - the relative touching the absolute. With the technology of psychedelics - or just pure raw dogging meditation and contemplation. There is something to be learned from these figures of the past: the reality of being. They all sort of point to the same thing: that there is no greater mystery and wonder, awe and joy - than the NOW. And this is why we choose this experience. Wake up, remember... -
Eskilon replied to Flowerfaeiry's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
If one is to be really skeptical, one cannot think in terms of one being more likely than the other. From a completely blank state, both are equally probable. Jesus may be as uneral as an unicorn, from your perspective. So is Leo turning into a Grey alien.
