Steroids without side effects are coming

[Jannes]

And it seems a whole lot of other drugs which have positive health benefits.

 

[integral]

This guy is hilarious. But I have to criticize something he said because that's my job:

23:00 "…will some folks just take these drugs and not go to the gym? Absolutely, god bless them, whatever, we don't need them in the gym crowding up this shit. But at least now they're in way better health, way more muscle, way less fat. Our medical system saves billions of dollars and people are healthier and happier and look better. This is a big deal…"

Why would gaining muscle and losing fat without exercise make you healthier?

Edited June 4 by integral

[Jannes]

7 hours ago, integral said:

This guy is hilarious. But I have to criticize something he said because that's my job:

23:00 "…will some folks just take these drugs and not go to the gym? Absolutely, god bless them, whatever, we don't need them in the gym crowding up this shit. But at least now they're in way better health, way more muscle, way less fat. Our medical system saves billions of dollars and people are healthier and happier and look better. This is a big deal…"

Why would gaining muscle and losing fat without exercise make you healthier?

The loosing fat part is obvious. Being overfat causes a ton of sicknesses like high blood pressure, diabetes, ... Obese people dont live long but even chubby people can benefit a lot from loosing some fat health wise. If you have too much fat, loosing that is one of the best investments you can make for your health.

In terms of muscle. Well bodybuilder muscle probably isnt healthy for you, but you want some muscle to protect you from injuries especially at old age. I dont think the health benefits of gaining just muscle are huge though especially because the wasnt gained traditionally through weight training so no extra bone density for example.

[Jannes]

I am personally over that bodybuilding look, I like the skinny hippie look more. But it would be great to see overweight people get treatment with minimal side effects.

[Norbert Somogyi]

I have yet to watch the video, but I would like to share some initial thoughts in regards to the statement of exercise being the primary way to lose weight and be healthy.

It's a noble, but partial truth. Exercise is undoubtedly a great way to do this, to achieve optimal mental and physical health, it's ingrained into our bodies since prehistoric times. Everyone should do it one way or another. However it's not the only healthy piece in the puzzle, at least what we have access to. Not all of us have the same drives and level of motivations to do this. Furthermore we all know people directly or indirectly that lose fat and gain muscle at different rates, even if they follow largely the same protocols. Turns out, vitamin D helps with this too! It helped people since time immemorial, thanks to the quintessential contribution of the Sun.

Based on the research, vitamin D not only benefits but even determines the weight loss. Influencing fat storage mechanisms, serotonin levels (controlling appetite) and boosting testosterone (increasing drive to move as well as helping with burning fat). Once you include necessary vitamin D cofactors such as Magnesium and Omega-3 (which can help with weight loss by themselves - let alone synergistically), the effect becomes even greater. It's not a sacrificial cheat code like steroids, but I believe it lays the groundwork for optimal efficiency and thriving. It can even help obese people that are struggling to go and exercise, and to lose weight.

Here are summary articles of vitamin D's relationship with weight loss and muscle. If you are lazy, here are Perplexity's summaries about these sites (weight loss and muscle). It also is the key component in terms of bone health since it greatly improves calcium absorption and metabolism.

My personal experience (I take other stuff on top of the aforementioned cofactors) is that beyond the improved mental health, I experience increased grip and muscle strength without exercise. Lifting stuff that was painful in the past now feels like a breeze, being joint-pain-free helps a lot too. I have a feeling my bone density increased as well, but I need a DEXA scan to validate it. Increased stamina is great too!

Hell, whichever sports team discovers the wonders of vitamin D (unless elite athletes use it already), could almost be considered cheating without context. The biggest punchline of the story is that vitamin D is chemically considered to be a secosteroid hormone, barely different from testosterone and the likes.

[Leo Gura]

You really want to pay thousands of dollars a month for an experimental drug with who knows what side-effects that you must take for the rest of your life in order to look a bit more muscular?

This is gym rat mentality.

This dude is so out of touch with what matters in life.

Men are such insecure fools.

Edited June 4 by Leo Gura

[CosmicExplorer]

This guy is like the peak stage orange capitalism. Just listening to him every second word is "growth" "value" "progress" "solve" "produce" "results" "maximize"

I like him and generally agree with his views but his metaphysics is as you can predict, really bad. Just listen to his "Semi-Truck thought experiment" 

 

[Carl-Richard]

23 hours ago, integral said:

Why would gaining muscle and losing fat without exercise make you healthier?

He has mentioned it before somewhere: more muscle means better glucose control, lesser risk of injury and fatigue. Being fat creates high blood pressure, diabetes type 2, elevated bad cholesterol, wear and tear on joints.

Edited June 5 by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

I won't speak on his metaphsyics as I don't want my heart broken, but he's very intelligent from that AI doomer debate.

I like him.

But he has a strong gym-rat bias.

Edited June 5 by Leo Gura

[RendHeaven]

Living in Japan has completely changed my relationship to muscle, aesthetics, and gym goals.

Growing up in America as a skinny kid, I always felt inadequate and lesser, and like most men, I got into the gym to pack on more muscle to hopefully one day be enough. My starting stats were 5'10 145lbs (178cm 66kg), and until recently, my idealized goal weight was 170lbs (77kg). (+25lbs pure muscle).

That's not an unreasonable natty goal. Very doable... if I were willing to sacrifice a large chunk of my life to the gym and have borderline neurotic discipline lol (extreme hard gainer)

Over the years I managed to put on +20lbs by hitting the gym daily and eating a massive caloric surplus (lots of beef and rice!) but eventually I hit a plateau around 165lbs (75kg).

Though I gained a lot of muscle and really started to fill out my frame, I also gained a bit of fat around my waist (this is expected on any bulk). Furthermore, that last 5lbs push to 170 is beyond the curve of diminishing returns. To get that last 5lbs I would have to hit the gym like a psychopath and eat like a drill sergeant is screaming down my back. So I was already beginning to doubt to what extent 170 would be worth it.

But the punchline to all of this is, I arrived in Japan still chasing this mental ideal benchmark of 170lbs, only to realize that the average man my age here is fucking 135lbs (61kg) lmao. At 160lbs+, I am a TITAN here. I'm taller and wider than 95%+ of native Japanese guys I encounter here, even on the streets of major cities. Visually, it's a total mog.

But let me tell you, nothing will sober you up to the folly of your gym goals (and the idiocy of chasing western 'chad' ideals) like doing a cold approach in japan, getting brutally blown out despite your above-average body, and then later watching a 60kg lanky twink pretty boy walking a japanese bombshell into a hotel while she giggle and blushes, and you're standing there side eyeing them from afar with your jaw on the floor but hey at least you have your big muscles and your right hand.

The real mindfuck was when I began noticing my urge to SLIM DOWN. Yes, for the first time in my life I began feeling TOO BIG, and I started thinking "If I cut down to 155lbs, THAT would be my final form!"

But I quickly realized that this is still the same trap, just in the other direction. In America I wanted 170lbs, in Japan I wanted 155lbs, but in both cases I'm just trying to win validation/affection/admiration/social goodie points, etc.

And that's when the whole thing came full circle and imploded. I realized this shit is dumb. I'm being dumb.

I now go to the gym truly for myself. I go because I ACTUALLY want to go TODAY (and not for some fantasy of a better future). I go because I like the innate reward of fucking doing something with your body (rather than lounging around + atrophy)

Same with food. I don't track calories anymore because I don't really have a goal in either direction (I genuinely don't want to get bigger or smaller anymore). I eat my beef and rice until I'm full, and then I stop.

At the moment I find myself naturally hovering around 163lbs (74kg) without trying to be any particular weight. Coincidentally, half way between 170lbs (american "ideal") and 155lbs (japanese "ideal"). I'm also slowly recomping. I notice myself losing fat around my waist without scale weight flux. This comes from a combination of intuitive eating + daily gym + long walks, all done for their own sake.

I urge you all to double check whether your body goals are actually your own authentic original desire or not

Edited June 5 by RendHeaven
typo

[Carl-Richard]

15 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

I urge you all to double check whether your body goals are actually your own authentic original desire or not

I go to the gym to channel inner gorilla energy and pack on deltoids and chest and the rest and to download natty opioids and dope-amine/serotoneen and be on top of my game cognitive-physiologically (that's a word right now).

Edited June 5 by Carl-Richard

[RendHeaven]

lfg bro

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

And that's when the whole thing came full circle and imploded. I realized this shit is dumb. I'm being dumb.

Good shit!

Congrats.

Edited June 5 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

I have become so Woke that I don't even go to gym.

[something_else]

He seems pretty certain these have no side effects, but I really doubt that.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I have become so Woke that I don't even go to gym.

But what about bRaIN mUSclE...

I present, BRAIN GYM.

I don't know what the fuck it is, but it's the first hit on search. Somatic movements for brain activation. Not sure if serious

I wanted to make a joke but apparently this is a thing

 

Edited June 5 by Natasha Tori Maru
sorry for low rez eye bleed

[Leo Gura]

Too Woke to have a brain.

Only Mind baby.

Edited June 5 by Leo Gura

[CosmicExplorer]

@something_else "no side effects" just like glp-1 agonists... 3x the risk for major depression

"The most striking result is the suicidal ideations or attempts of the Ozempic group, which showed an approximately 2.4-fold increase in risk"

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-75965-2

[Leo Gura]

Depression is a small price to pay for gym-rat bod.

[AION]

I can see use cases for this. Just using a little bit to have an edge in muscle development doesn't seem that harmful. It is not something I would do. I have already enough muscle but some guys can't develop muscles to save their lives.