kavaris

We should have like... a "challenge everything" formula, or just a line of questioning ready to go when you need it, starting with things that are true in this universe like, "Are days of the week real" -like, is sunday a distinct day on earth? Then go to... something like, "Is [month: day: hrs: min: seconds] real. Is that (to you) saying something about the state of things in reality? Or is it a conceptual idea/space, a belief we hold onto in order to not be... like... lost in some other space. This would bring me into a new domain of questioning, but thats like, the *intro* that we can communicate about.

i get lost in "positive v. negative", in terms of like... asking those big questions, "how can anything be if i cant even properly descern whats a "this" thing or a "that" thing... like, the cascade that it goes by is constantly being requestioned and thrown back into some staggered state like uhhhmm.... "what is going on", -is my question still... like, in terms of birth, how we were like "max" calm, what is that?... ... ... is what im tryina say.

Do we have a spokes person for someone who inspires people to, aside from integrating with, learn the more general thing that makes ai interesting (as well as that information we need to gleam from it to build all the *rudiments* its generating into separate applications) therein reaching a stage where it is then irrelevant? does that person exist yet?... ill be that person, i dont care, im crazy.

What we need to do is make a story, or a compilation that we can then make into a story, of all our lives now, and then in some distant, magical land where we havent screwed up yet, we talk to those versions of us, therein trying to convince ourselves of whats to come, therein making something thats substantially related to those places (thoughts and feeling etc) that existed prior.... And possibly multiple intrusions because its like, it takes several round trips to convince yourself. Its like, the first one could have been an hallucination... Where as the 2nd or 3rd you that shows up its like, "okay why did myself keep visiting myself". Or for our next dream journal, i think its worth trying to get that idea to sink in, and that adds alot of intent/direction... even if you havent screwed up yet its a good way to penitrate dreams if they're all over the place and hard to pin down so to speak.

If i could actually remember what would be considered my very first experiences, i could extrapolate that and build/present a very nice map of everything. alls i remember is flashes of scenes of grass outside, or layouts of houses inside and nothing prior, or after, that really connects, just like, its own void of memory... that which also makes no sense, I can say, at some point there was a more obvious reason to explicitly remember things as opposed to living in a void without rememberances, but thats like, not analogous to anything helpful i dont think.

@abrakamowse Let me try to extrapolate that into my new form, and tell me how it sounds... The "i" is the creator of all things, albeit subliminal, or unaware (a kindve staggered between the realization of) whether or not what we are, who we are or what we could be is. And so we are here, not as an idea of what it means to be here but more like what it is to be in a dream where you are just there. When the "i" is just there, the "i" is within the kind of experience or mindset where you are performing or experiencing, and those are the underlying principles that keep that force churning. @Ishanga Tell me how this sounds... We have the kind of freewill that is only limited by those ideas themselves, that is, to conjure some possibility or 'way something should be', creates the type of boundary that is then - like an island or peninsula, where the surrounding waters are those ideas that 'could have been', but didnt - so we're partly in - and partly outside, bounded in some way, free in others. As we spin on this round (sometimes oblong in motion) land mass, pushed by magical void-stuff of unimaginable perpetuity, we take for granted what REALLY is important. But then again, its an almost necessary thing to have existed in the first place, that is, to be involved in some sortve happenings that may or may not be important stuff, and how would we even know until we've found out it was right or wrong much later. If that sounds right or partly, then i conclude one lasting thought. When i was little, i didnt learn things individually. Instead i took 'strings' or phrases of words and imitated the sound of those strings without meaning. That in itself is like a principle of experience, or one aspect that we could say follows the "Is-ness" of being here: First we're here, Second we're storing that impression into the fabric and then keeping it alive. Deriving from that we then might say, "that is what we are.. some sortve fabric?... Or texture-like"

Do yous ever think about like, whats really going on here. On one half, you have this very consistent, very stable life where its predictable. You wake, and do whatever it is you do each day. Then you're tired, tired of that non sense, and you go to imagination land, subsequent images of things that shouldnt make sense are (for all intensive purposes) a reality. And the same way you were 'tired', whatever that means you start to question aspects of this 37-layer-deep dream, or something happens that signifies the next moment of you 'coming to'... And in that now awakened, and responsive last save-state, you do it over again. Like, what is that. Thats not an arbitrary thing, that has to be like a machine of some kind that doesnt exist without one half strolling along w/ consistency, and the other half where things get all strewn about without the recognition of self identity/or anything self-related. But at the same time it exists... just like... perpetually... why... like, can we find out.... like when you were born as a clean slate, what was that?...

@Realms of Wonder Hey. Hi Realms of wonder. Elaborate on that, you might be on to something. I thought id add one more example, and thats in the fields of psychology or psychiatry (whatever) whichever one requires the kind of shared experience/understanding that you wouldnt want an ai to be involved in. Like, those situations where it depends on the type of communication that is required by shared human experiences and whatknot.

is there anything unique we can do to express ourselves that Ai cannot already accomplish/ thereby invalidating, or dismissing those forms of expression. Its difficult to imagine what those things could be. For example, there's things where you have very specific things that we might consider as an expression of some kind, like maybe the discovery/scientific-related things that are direct products of human accomplishment. Maybe in the future that is more accessible/ interactive thing, that only really applies to humans, since it takes humans to explain those chemical-related experiences for example. So i guess another way to phrase it is, is there anything we can do that makes ai irrelevant.

I watched a video today, and learned how nothing ever "enters" a blackhole. Perhaps i didnt understand it properly, but if you consider two points ~ wherein, one person is at a point of view that they are close-up to the blackhole, and another is observing from afar, wouldnt it then be the case that no matter where you are, alls you would ever see is things frozen in time/never moving and never "entering", even relative to the closest point where light is also being distorted and "not appearing", i.e. the darkness of the blackhole. Because, is there not a difference in terms of when you first start seeing things come to a halting stop, and you yourself being an item within that halting stop. And again i phrase it like that as it is interesting, and maybe yous can figure out whats wrong w/ the analogy/ wrong with my phrasing or just correct me if im wrong.

"dont seek so much to find the answer as much as to understand the question better" -fortune cookie from today

Ha, interesting. Yeah usually the first time is gonna be the best one, simply because you didnt know what to expect. Anything else and now your brain knows well, and it doesnt have that naivity factor. I find myself trying to meditate these days and see what is possible to emulate effects just by focusing all the energy into the temple lobes/center of the brain... if theres a way to effect the brain in a salvia-like way, that'd be interesting cause its like, of all things - thats an odd maneuver to even think of/propose.

They probably said this, but the trip sitter, theyll help you like, if you accidently stand up or lay down on your face (stuff like that) if your alone, im an expert on being alone... first off, a song with a bass drum is key, get that ready... you wont hear the song, but youll become both the song, + whatever the last image you seen out your eyes before the salvia kicked in.... you wont be able to gauge what your doing alone, so you mine as well just lay down on your back as your holding it in... pack a good amount so you dont burn it and taste something offensive, if it taste bad you did something wrong. thirdly, you should double check things.... such as, if you live w/ someone, dont leave the salvia bag out in the open... whatever deals w/ anxiety in the brain can overide that claustrum area and bring you out of the trip (theres like a bunch of subconscious receptors that can override each other, for better or worse) fourthly, you should do it at a time when you are ready. it feels very rough and awkward, so you kinda wanna be at a point where you dont mind exploring that side of things.

Iuno if any of yous have a reocurring theme/pattern that seems to be like, the bedrock of all subsequent experiences on lsd or mushrooms (if so, feel free to share) but ive seen the same thing every time... and when i watch videos of the golden ratio/fibonacci spiraling dots (you can look up the simulation/animation on desmos or something) i find myself trying to recollect/remember if what im seeing is either... (1) perfect cylindrical dots that move in orbit around each other, or (2) this illusion of dots moving around each other that makes it look as if they were, more like the fibonacci spiral. (i realize that is only one way to depict fibonacci numbers or the golden ratio, however im not terribly interested in that) unless of course im wrong, and it is what i was seeing... reason being, is it can seem quite similar, and i was hoping others have seen the same thing, so i can get an idea which one is more common... ... that is, if what you seen was either (dots in a perfect orbit, or some sortve fibonacci dots without a center dot breaking the illusion) As to me, those imply two different mathematical perspectives/roads to look into... obviously im looking at both regardless.

We have to presume this loop, this sortve.... formula that feels like (Pass 1+Right, Drop 2+Down, Pass 2+Left, Drop 3+Down, Pass 3+Right, Drop 1+Down... etc) that is this sortve underlying, paradox that you can feel that implies a "no matter what" kind of emotion, and its only enough information to say that much... beyond that, it seems uncertain, blank.... ..... this eternal flame of magic, and to me, i dont have any inclination that anything we are doing is relevant, or that anything we will experience from then on will require something of the previous stage so... in that sense, maybe its exactly the same, but you could also phrase it in a way that makes it sound like nothing ever happens twice, do you know what i mean?... what im tryina say is that, that in itself is an interesting. Just to reiterate, on the surface, nothing stays the same.... but thats not quite right either, cause we've all concluded that there is something that is constant, and it seems to have had a "no matter what" attitude, regardless of what we have to say.