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@Alex bliss No one but you could become enlightened.

@tsuki I don't think I really considered the differences between emotional mastery and enlightenment because until recently I had no idea what enlightenment was. It kinda felt like being a little kid happy with her ice cream cone until someone bigger walked by and slapped it out of my hand. At the same time I fully saw how unfounded my fear was, but that the bliss of that is a more of a memory now. I still don't understand the many "facets" of this and how they fit in, self realization, emotional mastery, love. Thanks for the recommendation, I've been wishing for a really good novel to read, and had no idea anything like that existed. Definitely an Easter egg. ?

@Alex bliss I had a similar question a while back. Maybe, you may find the answers to be interesting: I feel questions related to dream vs real are common on this forum.

This is a dream vs real duality that can cause a lot of distress. Imagine having a coin in which all you have ever seen in your life is the Tails side. You get a glimpse of the Heads side and now question whether the Tails side is actually Tails. Maybe Tails is actually Heads. This sounds like no big deal in terms of a coin, yet can be a very big deal at the human level. Because, Tails represents people we love and care about. What you aren't seeing is that Heads and Tails are both the same coin. @Alex bliss Our brains are wired to see in opposites. If it is true that wakefullness is the same as a dream, then the mind will want to believe the opposite is false. I.e. it is false that wakefullness is different than a dream. The mind wants to work in binary "either / or" orientations. That is, a dream is either the same as wakefullness or different than wakefullness. Expanding beyond this orientation can be quite challenging and many paradoxes will arise. You can realize a truth without rejecting the opposite as being false.It's not an either/or decision. Just set aside the opposite for a bit and see truth.

@Alex bliss Think twice before you get too deep into enlightenment as it would mean personal identity will never be the same again. Who is it that wants enlightenment? Does that indentity really exist? *trans·per·son·al- of, denoting, or dealing with states or areas of consciousness beyond the limits of personal identity.

@Alex bliss It's tricky. How comfortable are you with paradox? It's like a 'shift in perspective' more than 'finding out the answer'.. Take for example, the question of the chicken and the egg.. which came first?. Well, if you remain trapped in the perspective that one must have come before the other, you will dwell on this question forever without answer, but one day, if it occurs to you to consider it deeply, you may realize that they evolved together.. the answer is 'neither and both'.. and this shift in your perspective from 'one or the other' to 'both and neither' will simply remove your question about 'which one came first'.. the question ceases to make sense.

@Alex bliss the teachings here cover all the tools you need to awaken. You just have to go about it strategically and responsibly - and maturely. You're actually getting deeper teachings here than from a monk.

@Alex bliss can you decide to 'sincerely seek' any sooner than you will?

@Alex bliss like anything, it's a paradox.. a mind fuck. If I showed you a picture, with some hidden objects in the image.. consider how you would go about 'finding the hidden images'.. consider what that process is like.. The location of a hidden object would 'occur to you' precisely 'if and when' it does, and you can not 'find it' any sooner than you 'find it'. Of course, it helps if you are looking.. you may never notice them otherwise.

@Alex bliss Hmmm.. I think it would be similar to the difference to being asleep, and being awake.. when you are asleep, and dreaming, you do not realize you are dreaming.. when you are 'awake'.. you realize you are actually dreaming.

@Alex bliss many people often wonder what they will gain from enlightenment, but it's more about what you lose.. the neurotic questions, the fear, your anxieties..

@Alex bliss it does - it will transform your entire life - but you'll have to put the work in.

@Alex bliss you are consciousness, fundamentally. Consciousness is the substrate of reality. You are that. You are really itself. The you that you are currently identified with is being imagined by You as consciousness.

@Matt23 I’m curious... what is he like in person? I don’t mean from some place of like “does he radiate love and bliss?!” and what not but what is it like to talk to him, listen to him, and be around him? I talk to Brendan Lea a bit now on Facebook but try not to ask questioning that may come off as though they from a place of fantasy.

I agree with @bensenbiz @Mikael89 I like the quote from Ralph Waldo People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of character. Just because you are experiencing suffering doesn’t mean everyone else is, plus even if you do, suffering is part of life, you can’t experience bliss and happiness without darkness, this is duality. A baby coming out of the womb doesn’t think about the pain, there is a force behind it, like everything else in the universe, we can’t evolve without suffering, and I call this force love, it’s the thing that keeps us going, it’s evolution, it’s not always pretty, evolution and awakening happen in the level of oneness, the separation felt by the ego is what causes suffering, when you think you are all alone and is a poor little thing separated from the whole world, if you live your life with faith and surrender there will be no suffering, that’s what Leo’s last video is about, letting go and trusting the universe. For a seed to achieve its greatest expression, it must come completely undone. The shell cracks, its insides come out and everything changes. To someone who doesn't understand growth, it would look like complete destruction. Cynthia Occelli

On 5/6/2019 at 3:22 PM,Preety_India said: Are we spiritual beings having a human experience or are we human beings having a spiritual experience Spirituality is like a potion that helps you to live to escape reality, to be in a mental rehab, to have clarity and have a better perspective on life and things and help the mind to be more peaceful. It's possible to further expand into that awareness. When you become aware that you are awareness itself then it's enlightenment. Now I have separated two concepts. Spirituality and Divinity. Spirituality is a freedom principle whereas divinity is a stoic principle. Spirituality is all about escape from reality and living in a different reality, field of awareness and feeling peace and bliss. Divinity is being strong, taking guidance and deriving strength from a higher source and using that to fight and survive through life. The constant battle between spirituality and reality is a spiritual war So there are 3 components here. Spirituality Spiritual struggle or war Divinity Two things happen on the spiritual journey You feel disappointment. You feel disappointed in humanity because you see all the chaos and all the illusions and you see all the mindlessness. A spiritual struggle or war between right and wrong and between material rewards and spiritual rewards. Spirituality is for the soul or the spirit or the consciousness element of ourselves. It's about a state of mind, it's about an ethereal experience. More like escape from life Divinity is for life, to live with great endurance, courage, stoicism, perseverance and to survive the assaults of life and to have the strength to carry on. None of these spiritual practices consist of miracles. The next thing is Alter Ego. I think it's important to have an alter ego. It makes perceiving things better or easier

Five years ago, I did some energy meditations and yoga which caused a significant amount of energy to move from the base of my spine into my skull, where it currently rests. Since then, there has been a constant pressure inside of my head 24/7 accompanied by a swirling energy vortex-like sensation. I’ve been examined by a neurologist and had multiple scans done on my brain, everything seems normal. Every now and then I get full body bliss that is deeply spiritual in nature. I feel like I may have developed one or two psychic siddhis throughout the course of the last few years. I was diagnosed Bipolar two years ago, but the more I look into the commonalities between Kundalini, psychosis, shamanism and spiritual awakening, I tend to get a bit confused as to what has happened to me. Could it be something other than Kundalini? Has anyone here had any similar experiences? Any information or knowledge is welcome.

@rNOW You've succeeded in disidentifying yourself from external factors. You've created a gap between 'you' and 'other'. Now that you've become aware of how suffering gets created, it's time to collapse that gap. It's time to take no-suffering to the next level, peace of mind. Take more. Reject less. Do more. Think less. Soon enough, that peace of mind will turn into happiness, and that happiness will turn into bliss.

So reality just is and that's it eh? He says the enlightenment feeling (bliss) isn't Love...its a connection with the universe...umm.... see where this is going? You see how he got defensive about being lovey dovey...he was conflating relative love with Absolute. Ego.

Just because you're in some state of no-mind or absorption doesn't mean you have insight into reality. Meditative states are not good enough here. You have to want insight. Which requiring questioning. You can bliss out in meditation all you want, but it doesn't mean you understand what's going on and why.

Yes self inquiry can do it. You become the Absolute - the formless - so experience is just a relative word that we give it as it cannot be captured with language. Or you can say it's not an experience of the ego it is experience as in raw Being. It will be pure bliss which is where the Love part comes in.

1. Are Love and Bliss the same thing? 2. Isn't Love (Total Non-Duality) only possible through the contrast of not feeling the love? Why not infinite love all the time? 3. Is it possible to love "another", or only to the degree which you can see yourself (or your Self) in them? 4. What is the relationship between love and sexuality/intimacy/affection? 5. Practices/contemplations to increase Love? 6. Can ego love, or can you only love to the degree ego is released? 7. Fear is the biggest block to love, we are afraid of losing love. In being afraid to lose love we contain, limit and resist it. In containing it, we don't feel it. Why are we afraid of losing love? And why is our solution to not love?

That no matter what we do or choose to do in life, there is a divine play, a divine flow, a divine path at hand in which all paths lead to ultimately. Which directs us to the conclusion that no matter what we do, enlightenment is inevitable, freedom is inevitable, unconditional love is inevitable. One simply must become more aware to notice its everpresent nature. How we choose to enjoy the ride, the journey and witness the process unfold is however entirely up to us, that is our free will, to choose an infinite form of paths within the greater divine path. We can choose to see it through fear and suffering or we can choose to see and enjoy it in love and peace and eternal bliss. Divinity is Inevitable, how you get there, how you experience the whole process unfold is entirely up to you. Just be! Less is more! Simplicity is Divinity! <3

@Matt8800 Have you thought about going to visit the Tantrics in India? What are your thoughts on reports from books like those of Carlos Castaneda and also of theories of siddhis from those of Ancient Egypt? @Leo Gura there are even stories of Sadhguru in his prior past life of using an occult practice where he had a kid walk on water. As said in his biography. Thought it was worth noting. Even Om Swami is said to have these siddhis and powers and much more. Such as healing, levitating, etc. I definitely noticing a correlation between many yogic saints and mystics in the past in present who always seem to levitate in high states of samadhi where they have deep feelings of love and bliss. Just an observation. I also know Shunyamurti is actually having an upcoming retreat all around White Magic and siddhis.

Some poems I have written: When do we realize what's good for us? When does the resolution come? What state are you in? Crying. Primal, primitive energies bloating themselves, ammasing. What's the matter? Addictions, over and over again. Focus. Unfocus. Bam. This time when the old person their heart out, desperate about life. After all, what in this world is of use? Poisons equalized into medicines, medicines blunted into poisons... Is there an ultimate authority, and if so, does that figure likewise have one of it's own? Questions over questions. Not even thinking. Is the content I'm providing even of my own? Dear secret watcher, take me up with your good intentions. Let the paranoia be waved in the right direction and make it of use to the world. Let the crooked divines find their way and the critics be satisfied or offput. Clinging to the bliss; not letting go, no. Nostalgia, too strong to come up against. Why would you even bother? The modern teachings of life and the rumors driven around one particular state maybe. One thing or many, I don't know. Deep blame. Saying to myself; I don't care what other people think of me. Bruh, that doesn't count. The final problem. Metta. Make it the way you want. Struggling? Yes, possible. Common indeed. One thing said from the realm of sleep and dreams; direction happens by itself and you will do something very weird. If you want to reach that goal then I don't know what to tell you because I have yet to go this path. For me to read. I will swear to myself that I make it so. Get along with my habits. Go out into beautiful surroundings. Find out why I am the way I am. Getting to know other people. Writing this to myself. No thing that is not too far away, yet so indefinable. Eyes closed. Slowly drifting into the main area of drowsiness. Nothing special that is here. Oh boy , oh girl. Psychedelic state . What is psychedelic even? Everything is. Big confusion with substances... Fascinated by the happenings. Accepting the shady parts. Not even calling it that because things have to be loved. We will get along. At least you will not die miserable. And if you do, you will still have many pers and tweaks to it. Brilliance of beginning and end. Am I allowed to? Power. Take it slowly. Amateur, seems professional. Miss the opportunity. Fear. Groundless fear driven into the deepsest fearce. I cannot even explain. Dumb trap we have fallen in. At least me. Maybe not you, who knows. Please take care. Saying that because of my feelings and things crashing down. The biggest accomplishment to society has to be rewarded with the least amount. To change things might make matters worse. But unless you do it you will never know. Here for you and am very unlikely to go elsewhere. It's not worth it and that's the price of life. Finding and being. Beautiful picture. Laser pointing towards the sky, ha, nothing will be left. There's a lion at the window and a wolfe out the dark. What do I want from life? What does money do? Come so far and then take the wrong way. Or only took one step but it exponentially goes the right way big time. Equanimous ecstasy. Really dark state kushed into the most blissful state imaginable. Sitting here getting nowhere. Too far out there, no hope. Everything is so relative. We are much older than we think we are. Actually time is like an onion peeling itself. Only 1% of the inner layer is still there. Ain't no place that I gotta be - still two steps back from where I wanna be. Drifting, nothing is normal anymore. Norms swept away. Skyrocketing out there. Getting to many places I used to want to get to. Yet there is still that lack. Or is there? Transmorphing. Loop. Do I really ...? I can see it clearly for fractures of seconds at a time. All that hard to get out of. At one point going to do the hard work in the wrong context. Gone. Think of the unthinkable, be safe while taking the risk. In other words; it will happen. Soul crying. Why do I fall for such states? It has to happen. After all it's not going to matter. No difference between me getting anywhere or not. Or is there? Regret in late life. Magic Chase it? Danger Opportunity Greed And all falls down Supposed to give me chills. Medicine, Drugs, Poison. Substance of eternal material. Physical and not potable. Respect and eternal confusion of spirit. Infinity, what a hazardous word. Verklärt. Food, parasite taking over. Energy becoming so shallow, almost non existent. Until it fades away. No one might even closely attempt to fathom this. Clarity. Stuck in the realm of endless circles and loops. Taking this to dimensions. Never know what it will end up as. Joke: Oh dear, please allow me to be in this state. I could take you to places you never witnessed Discover the unlimited space of stuckness. Vagabond. Paint your journey. Far too many implications to explain. Way too little of a format to put into picture. Balance through chaos And maybe it is all how it is supposed to be. What if we change a fundamental somewhere though? Radical. Take part xyz Leave part ... Stance in a dangerous place. Almost died in the unlikely case of this arrangement called life. Zillions of sperm cells and still it's me out of the whole field. Where is the gratitude? Blank // I wanted to write something useful. So now I do. Narcissistic. Ooohhh Disney music is so eloquently marketed. What a cult like point of thought. Going down this road, this is not something little. This is hard stuff. Like da hard drug but just that. Becoming part of a 'subquential' reality. Paranoia. This is the way it flows. On the goiiing, the showwwinnggg. Singing: And I juuust must do alone but a there a is a little issue. Deeply driven. Deeply fearced. Downward scarysism. Somewhat gratiousness. And so deeply, deeply in touch with the dark light. Harsh and getting in my own right. Low frequency and high volume of heat loss. Burning and aging, huge drawlessness. Forging into mind and mystery. Impure. Foolish youthness. The great problem. Makes an inward explosion of chaos , being a faceless creature of communing extraparts and voluntary particles. High pitch simulated dimension and going almost to the realm of catchy hyperspace in my means. Psychiatric mumification of the cubicle of a certain brain compartment. Do we see the light shining towards my ankle space , dough. Out for the two and infinite worlds. Post as it goes