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I was arguing with a stupid atheist on reddit ..this guy literally believes the universe just spontaneously arised out of nothing with the big bang and there was nothing before the big bang. And I was like you fucking idiot ..don't you understand cause and effect ..nothing happens hogwashy..there must be a creator for the universe because it cannot arise out of coincidence nor without a cause . I didn't try to convince him of nonduality and oneness with God and that he in fact is God because that would make him block me right away . So anyways..I just want to explain that atheists are some of the dumbest creatures in this world . Even people like Steven Hawking or Richard Dawkins..these people are supposedly highly intelligent but they literally believe the universe just 🎩 magically poped out of nowhere in no-when by no-how . But btw ..no one is REALLY an atheist . i garuntee that if an atheist is facing his own death or a dangerous situation or was in his death bed ..he will be praying to all the gods that have existed in human history to save him . No one can face death being an atheist. That's why after this unbelievable technological advancements in this era ..People still believe in God. You can't outgrow God. You can't face your own death without God. Now ..something i read earlier..was Stalin's death .(he was an atheist and one of the most evil people ever he killed millions of people)..According to the story Stalin was plagued by terrifying hallucinations as he lay dying on his bed. Then suddenly he sat halfway up in bed clenched his fist toward the heavens, fell back upon his pillow..and was dead. According to his daughter Svetlana..it was if his last gesture in life was literally a clenched fist toward God. And her daughter said that the fear I saw in his eye's while he is dying was incredible. Obvious enough.

Hey @Anon212, thanks for your detailed reply. True, spirituality has a lot of upsides and I am a glad to have done a lot of practices. In retrospect I would claim most of the benefits if not all came from resolving trauma and caring about my body. And there are lots of good methods to do that, some of them are not even considered spiritual at all. Rupert Spira admitted in a video that he still slips out of his nondual experience from time to time. In my eyes he's not a good example because he's still hung up on a story. The idea of snapping into enlightenment at all is grandiose. There's no real enlightenment happening anytime, it's a state and a story. No one wakes up, and if you meet buddha on the road, kill him, because he ain't real anyways. Of course apparently there is a switch in perspective so to say, but that's a thought within whatever you may call it - enlightenment. It's already the case. Anyone who thinks his 20years of seeking lead to THIS or were really happening is not awake. Yeah we could talk about for days and weeks. There's lots of theories from early childhood repressed trauma to spinal fluids to chakra blockages, stuck kundalini energy, to socialization or certain overactive brain regions creating a sense of self. There are many facets to describe the problem - but the problem isn't real to begin with. A sense of self, identification - it's just what is, in the story. Trying to get rid of it may even enforce it. But maybe one day we find an easy way to cut through the bullshit instantly. Or we aren't concerned with it anymore since it isn't real and just a fleeting appearance anyways. Yeah, it's all a kind of paradox. I don't want to take a position actually like “it's all wrong“ because it's also true but just point to the fact “it's all a story and it ain't real“. Yes and no. Yeah, everyone is an individual, so your way of life and experiencing the world is different to mine. But on the other side there are no others, no one is experiencing the world, there is just THIS and you cannot contrast it to any imaginary experience “out there“. Calling it a path creates time and a goal, which is a huge story again. Whatever is happening (“to you“) right now is more instant enlightenment than buddha, Leo, Spira and emerson nonduality together - it's THIS already.

Ok I will explain this simple method that I noticed it helped me a lot. 1) start watching the video 2) leo now is explaining this fact that you heard a lot from him, now the first trap is continuing watching the video tricking your self that you understand what leo says. Notice how you don't really understand that. 3) pause the video 4) write what you liked in a short note, just a single statment 5) start thinking and contemplating deeply and appreciating what really leo says 6) keep contemplating untill you reach the bottom of you current ability to contemplate, you will know it when you reach it 7) start the video again and repeat all of the above. * Watching a single video of leo videos will take many hours doing this method but you feel the difference and how silly you were thinking you were getting what really says.

The OG nonduality troll ikkyu15 made a short video recently after a 3 year hiatus, refreshing to see he's still calling out their bs. Read his video description, the comments are decent too.

"outsideness" is a duality. See? Although... beyond conventional nonduality you will find higher degrees of infinite consciousness.

Maybe there is a strange psychological disorder at play, just guessing... Like this one for example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotard's_syndrome The other guess would be you're kind of stuck in a bardo-state. Obviously you're suffering and I am feeling sorry for you, I hope you get well soon! In case you intuit there is a stuckness as far as a not-fully-processed awakening so to speak, if it feels like there's something missing, this can't be it, I recommend to you Emerson nonduality, search him on YouTube or better book a one-on-one, he is the guy to resolve all your stuckness, he knows what he's talking about and he's familiar with your 2D stuff as far as I can tell. But he's the endboss, if you wanna maintain a realer sense of self he's definitely not the guy, he would just push you over the line so there are no more stories and no one left suffering. He's the stop sign on your so called spiritual Path. Wish u the best!

Here's a great quote from and old zen-master called Huangbo that asserts the oneself..oneness..nonduality .etc...without falling into the trap of solipsism of thinking the ego is all that exists . "All the Buddhas and all sentient beings are nothing but the One Mind, beside which nothing exists. This Mind, which is without beginning, is unborn and indestructible. It is not green nor yellow, and has neither form nor appearance. It does not belong to the categories of things which exist or do not exist, nor can it be thought of in terms of new or old. It is neither long nor short, big nor small, for it transcends all limits, measure, names, traces and comparisons. It is that which you see before you - begin to reason about it and you at once fall into error. It is like the boundless void which cannot be fathomed or measured. The One Mind alone is the Buddha, and there is no distinction between the Buddha and sentient things, but that sentient beings are attached to forms and so seek externally for Buddhahood. By their very seeking they lose it, for that is using the Buddha to seek for the Buddha and using mind to grasp Mind. Even though they do their utmost for a full aeon, they will not be able to attain it. They do not know that, if they put a stop to conceptual thought and forget their anxiety, the Buddha will appear before them, for this Mind is the Buddha and the Buddha is all living beings. It is not the less for being manifested in ordinary beings, nor is it greater for being manifest in the Buddhas." You can find it by googling Huangbo.🙏

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How exactly does this work? Everything just happens? If you look at neo advaita teachers like Tony Parsons or Jim Newman, they are always radical about it, saying there is no one home, and thus there is no free will. So what about murderers, serial killers, pedophiles, serious drug addicts etc? They have no free will? They don't have a choice in killing someone or staying addicted to heroin? I don't understand how this works. Also addictions in general. Do you actually have no choice wether you are addicted and stay addicted to a subtance?

Yeah, the thing is i feel pretty pissed off about where i am, and feeling like source has forsaken me, in some sense. And i know that i am one with source, so it cannot really forsake me, but it feels like even source is not able to help me, for it might be even beyond source. And i understand that it is important for me to genuinely be aware of where i am without getting lost in it, and meditation and such practices seem to help me in that, like being involved with some sort of a process that is a combination of shadow work and meditation, in a sense. And i've studied the works of teachers like abraham and bashar, and such ideas basically, but, still, i feel like i am getting something wrong, or that their teaching does not help me. Then i lean more towards more nonduality teachers, and many modes of teachers, philosophers and so forth, but i still feel like something is missing. Then i feel like maybe i'm truly hopeless and in despair, and lost in feelings of guilt, anger, regret, confusion, and so forth, and that i might be just truly frickin stuck where i am. Sometimes trying to appear to be wiser than i actually am, perhaps, in an attempt to create more wellbeing for myself, or something like that, and i feel fake, in a sense, while i'm doing that. Modes of guilt, powerlessness, resistance and stress have become like my usual, in a sense, and i don't actually wanna get lost in modes of anger also, because i feel like, i don't know. I mean, i don't wanna feel like i need to be aware of every moment of mine, so to speak, because it just makes me feel frickin exhausted. I just want to allow myself to relax and let the stream of life, or whatever it is, to carry me. But then doubt and confusion, and worry, and so forth dawns on me, making me feel like, and so forth and so forth. Like, i've been taking some ssris for a while, and thoughts of doubt come about that, and also thoughts of doubt and worry about the environment where i live come, and so forth, and it's like a never ending cycle, in a sense. I mean, thoughts like "a spiritual being like you shouldn't take those pills", or thoughts like "you might be just stuck in where you are", and shit like that. And it makes me pissed off, really, because at one level of mine, i seem to understand that it all really is about my vibration and resonance, and shit like that, even when i'm in a state of complanining and throwing a tantrum, so to speak. I mean, yeah, i am all that is, and i can even say that reality is absolutely solipsistic at its deepest level, in the sense that there is only one infinite awareness, and we are all modes of that one infinite awareness. And, yes, we are all vibration and resonance, and shit like that. And i understand that even me feeling hopeless and stuck, and shit like that, might be just my current state of vibration, and i may not be really hopeless and stuck. But i think there is real value in accepting where i am vibrationally, without getting too lost in my mind, because otherwise my mind tends to make things even worse, and starts making me starts to think about darker and darker shit, and that's the tripping point of shadow work, i guess. And so, i believe that shadow work, or awareness of where you are, is very frickin important, but you need to do it in some sort of a meditative state.

@Girzo @shree Hey guys. Thanks so much for sharing the resources for your emesh rigs. I'll try reading the Minty Love's resource and I'll also peruse the links that Leo has shared to a vapes website. I'm interested in smoking freebase 5-meo-dmt in a emesh vape. I want to add something new to my repertoire as I've done a bit of plugging/spraying/snorting. Experiences get very punishing on higher doses but I can't say if I get super useful insights or practical experience of nonduality. But seeing how you've practical experience and invested your own time in researching, could you post the link to the exact device you'd buy (and maybe any mods that it needs)? That way I can save a little bit of time researching the whole shebang myself and I would probably make the wrong choice anyway as I don't have any experience vaping. Can I buy this one?: https://store.vaporesso.com/products/gen-x-mod Does it need these addons? Tanks: https://store.vaporesso.com/collections/vape-tanks Pods: https://store.vaporesso.com/collections/vape-pods Coils: https://store.vaporesso.com/collections/vape-coils @shree Did you manage to convert malt hcl to freebase? I can now receive private messages but I don't think I can send any. Not sure if you can.

Certainly. But the pros to me are just in introducing people to nonduality, and after that I feel like his work is done? Now that I'm writing all that I'm not even sure what my goal was of that I was trying to say haha...If I feel like his teachings aren't useful to me anymore, I shouldn't ask for anybody else's opinion. It just feels weird letting go of something you love, if that makes sense, so I was having contradictory feelings about that. But there is just nothing here for me, it seems, so I should rather use my time to learn things I don't know about (and, well, practice, cause I won't lie, I'm a compulsive information hoarder)

Tolle isn't a philosopher. He's doing very narrow nonduality. There's pros and cons to that.

What is the difference between nonduality and the formless? The formless includes nonduality, but apparently nonduality is also possible without experiencing the formless in the present moment. I have had psychotic states of the nothingness and was also able to meditate on infinity and keep up the nothingness throughout the day. It s clear to me that the formless comes with nonduality, but right now for example I believe I can just become an observer (nonduality?) without experiencing the formless. Is that correct?

@Breakingthewall There is the traditional Explanation of nonduality that differs from what Leo suggests in his worldview. It suggests that God branches infinitely like am infinite tree, and you are a branch of this tree. God maintains you in your state until you raise your consciousness to the level that eliminates the distinction between you and him and you become God again. In this explanation, God generates your reality rather than you as God generate it. @Leo Gura @Razard86What do you think about this?

@Lila9 Nah, he is just not familiar with spirituality and psychedelics. It is easy to misunderstand spiritual teachers and nonduality when such things are foreign to you.

@ivankiss I’m not denying consciousness. But the dream is what your experiences which is full of those dualities which I think paradoxically should be noted in discussion of nonduality.

@ivankiss Part of nonduality is duality. It’s like I see a cars driving by. you say “Nothing is there” and get hit by the cars and suffering imaginable pain. I just use the cross walk. Sure, reality is consciousness but in this dream there is dualities. There is a way of being. I can’t help but feel that when you’re sitting on your computer typing this stuff you feel a pious excitement. But, in reality you don’t live like there is no humans, no reality. Playing a video game “it’s just pixels man, it’s just pixels” “Yeah I know but if your playing the game there’s like, stuff you can do you know?” This conversation likely won’t go anywhere. No longer replying.

You guys are just trying to be cool and come up with a new fancy way to point towards the Absolute. And I'm just here saying that 'solipsism' is not a good pointer. Not a good word. Use the words everyone has been using for ages... Oneness, unity, singularity, nonduality... What's wrong with those? Why is Solipsism more enlightening than Oneness? You do realize that many people actually end up in psych wards because they believe in solipsism, right? Like, it's a legit disorder. People go seriously bonkers because of it.

@Vibroverse Definitely. I am knee - deep in 'shadow work' these days, sorting all kinds of shit out, while preaching about nonduality here on the forum lol. One would think those things are contradictory or mutually exclusive. But that's not true. It is possible to struggle and have a lot of shit on your plate... but then also have the ability to see through it all and know that there is no you, no shadows, no struggle, etc. Just pure, direct, undisturbed consciousness.

Yeah, sure, relative is a thought, but it you think in that way, then absolute also is a thought, we can even say that there is nothing but thought, that reality is thought. I mean, from an idealist and nonduality perspective, we can say that this is thought thinking itself in the form of a multiplicity of thoughts.

Amazing description and visualization of what a full 5-MEO experience is like.

If we all agreed on everything perfectly= DEATH. Can't have that. When I became aware that conflict actually avoids death it blew my mind. Yes conflict can lead to death, but it's also an avoidance of death. How would you feel if you walked outside and everything you said and did....everyone agreed with? Then when you thought of something....someone said it out loud? It would completely destroy everything. This thing is so well done that even when you wake up it can pull you back in. I mean my sensory experience is that of duality and nonduality at the same time...and still if I got kidnapped and subjected to torture that would be one hellish experience for me. I have yet to master my consciousness to an extent to remove my awareness of all that pain. I admit I could still love them afterwards if they let me survive, but ummm I would avoid them like the plague and would have to spend some time working through that shit. But with that said it would depend what state of consciousness I was in, because at a high enough state that torture would feel like ecstasy. The Love of God is so powerful it can drive a human to suicide, its too seductive.

If you don't like the word love, you can replace it with caring. God is indifferent because God equally cares about everything. When you watch a movie the screen equally cares about everything that appears. So you can use care if you want. Existence cares about itself absolutely. You are attempting to separate yourself from separation. Attempting to separate yourself from separation is also a lie. Stop trying to escape!! LOL. You are trying so hard to escape. I'll explain what my experience is since you guys don't seem to get it. I experience BOTH separation and the lack of separation. Get it? Your whole life before enlightenment is just separation. When the boundary falls you experience BOTH. Nonduality INCLUDES DUALITY!!! It is just pointing to the fact that you are only eating one side of the cake, you can also eat the other side. That's why they use the before enlightenment chop wood carry water, then you get enlightened and you go back to chopping wood carrying water. Enlightenment is freedom because you realize you can look at life however you want. The only reason we push towards silence, is because the only truth is what is, and it doesn't need our conceptualization. But guess what? Conceptualization is actually play. We don't do it because it needs it, existence doesn't need anything. We do it because its fun!! We do it because...what else is there to do? There is nothing else to do!!! There is no reason to do anything, and that is the reason to do anything. God creates itself as a child, and is free to do what it wants and is socialized into being an adult, and then awakens and realizes it is okay to be a child. Do whatever you want. Regain your child-like imagination.

Because reality is an infinite perspective and an infinite echo chamber, depending on the perspective....every ego is shoving their beliefs down their throat. Someone can read what you post and claim you are shoving your belief down another's throat. It takes two to be in a conflict. If you argue with me and I remain passive, then you are the only one doing the shoving. The moment I engage in the argument then the two of us are shoving our beliefs down each other's throat. So notice you pretend to be one who is not, but you are. The ONLY way to not engage in that activity is to allow other selves to have their way with you and to never speak up and disagree. So yeah...it's all just a game of self-denial you play, and this is how you construct your identity. Lastly just to poke a little fun at what you posted. Your title is "Nonduality is not to be spoken of. Nonduality is simply to be. (they will never know) Let's change it for fun. Nonalcoholism is not to be drunken of. Nonalcoholism is simple to be. *Drinks some wine* If you truly stand your ground... if you indeed walk your talk, to the best of your abilities... Sooner or later, this realization should hit you. And I'd dare to say later, rather than sooner. 'Way after' your self - realization, your karmic return, and all that jazz. Once you have awakened to a certain degree, and you brought that Light into you everyday experience... You will inevitably realize; you simply cannot make anyone truly, really, wholeheartedly understand. They will never know. Simple as that. Fucking hilarious, indeed. *Drinks some wine again.* Onlooker: But hey aren't you drinking too? Duality is contradiction. Of course what I post is contradictory. Such is reality. In one post I might rant about relationships, in the next I'll say there are no people and no relationships. *Drinks some more* Onlookers:....That guy is crazy. Why is he telling us to do....what he refuses to do? Why doesn't he walk his talk and stop drinking. He probably thinks that he needs to drink to relate to us, but we would understand him more and take him seriously if he stopped drinking. Onlooker: I think he is in his own world, I don't think he clearly sees that he is no different than us and is just fooling himself. Onlooker: You mean he is self-righteous? Yeah he doesn't realize we are all him and he is just ranting at his own reflection. Ohhh got you. He's like that guy that watches his favorite team plays sports and when they make mistakes he criticizes them. So he is doing this because he loves and cares deeply for us. Onlooker: Of course he does, why else would he be ranting and raving? Onlooker: Oh I got you!!! Wow!! Onlooker: I think he is just telling us that eventually he is going to leave us and stop drinking or at least that is currently what he wants to do and wants to share that with us. Onlooker: Look how lovey-dovey that guy is!!! He cares enough about us to share his thoughts!!! Onlooker: That's love man!!! That's love!!!