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Watch this scene. Stop and contemplate what you saw and then continue reading my post. Now, in your interpretation, why do you think an alien species would send something that could perceived as so inflammatory to highly fearful beings? It's completely open to interpretation. Now I haven't looked up what the writers intended, or what Sagan himself intended, but I have my own interpretation. I believe it to be quite profound if you sit and ponder it. The further you move away from earth, the older the signals that originate from earth get. So effectively what you know is that these aliens have received the signals which preceded one of the darkest moments on human history. What's clear is these aliens are communicating that they have seen, or are about to see everything after that moment in time. The greatest human atrocities, the things that we as humans have the most shame for. What I think they are trying to do is, say that "we communicate to you with the full knowledge of your greatest atrocities, and we still want humanity to participate in the greater macrocosm of the universe." The subtext of that being that even though human beings have suffered great evil at their own hands you should not have shame in it because it is a natural part of evolution and growth for human kind. The beings of this higher civilization do not demonize humanity for their past, but they know that human beings themselves have to come to terms with the darkest shadow's of their past. You guys should really watch this movie. It's a gem.

I got a good chuckle re-watching this scene. I feel it encapsulates humanity perfectly. A highly advanced alien species lovingly communicates new technology that could forever advance and change the way humanity interfaces with reality and humans smear their fear poo poo all over it by blowing it up and killing themselves.

You can teach someone that is willing to listen by creating analogies, but you cannot make them understand. Understanding is not contained within language. It is a movement that has to be performed for oneself, in response to what is being said. I don't think we're in a disagreement here. This is a very Petersonian idea. He predominantly thinks in words and this statement smuggles in the assumption that this way of thinking is special or superior. There are domains that are alien to language and cannot be expressed coherently. One of such domains are archetypal experiences, which, by their very nature are nebulous, paradoxical and illogical (by the conventional use of this term). He, of all people, should be aware of this. I did not understand this paragraph. My understanding of Jung's archetypes does not correspond with this. Jung is clear in that archetypal experiences cannot be fully articulated, or made clearly meaningful because they express themselves in symbols that point towards things that we cannot consciously experience. Yet, trying to describe them is beneficial to mental health. Again, understanding is not necessarily descriptive, but it is rather operative. One understands a hammer, when he is able to hammer a nail in. One understands communication if he is able to articulate ideas. These two domains are disjoint and both express intelligence. I appreciate him for his psychological knowledge, not for his philosophy or political thought.

I too find N,N-DMT to be a bit weird. Very alien, but not nearly as alien as miprocin! Miprocin (4-HO-MiPT) is synthetic, but it surely must be naturally found in a fungus on some other planet -- I literally believe that conclusion will basically be inevitable to nearly anyone who tries it! Lol! It's like the most organic experience... just not organic from planet Earth... LSD and 5-MeO-DMT are the best hands down ime/imo for insight and ego-dissolution. N,N-DMT is just a straight up mindfuck. As far as sinister? At this point I've realized that sinister feelings are quite correlated to the number and strength of hidden unfalsifiable beliefs currently held. With enough total awakening, sinister is nowhere to be found. But when it still happened, ime ketamine was the most sinister -- as if if takes you to the same place as 5meo...but from the opposite direction.

People are a bit biased as well with a mindset of, oh its just the chinese or the russians or the goverment. I think that to dismiss the possibility of alien craft is a bias of the human mind which lack imagination and a deep understanding of the possibility that reality holds. It is a possibility that these space crafts is being controlled by conciousness/mind. Conciousness does affect machines, even on earth. Just because your imagination is limited does not mean that the universe is limited at all to what kind of different worlds there is or species etc. To dismiss people who think there might really be alien is a worse bias then to conclude that yes it is probably alien. How brain washed some people are from society and reductionistic views as well.

Always liked Joe Scott's channel, he does a good job of explaining why the UFO footage that the Pentagon has released are very likely optical illusions resulting from the technology that was used in capturing this footage. That said I'm still open to the possibility that the alien hypothesis could turn out to be correct, but a dozen more grainy clips of grey blobs isn't likely to to be any more convincing than the last dozen.

@Chew211 Interesting post man, I especially liked what you said about surplus, abundance is attractive and scarcity is not. I agree with most of it but I would say red pill does have some useful ideas but the issue is that (like with most viewpoints), it becomes an ideology that is dogmatically followed. If you take the point that currently most guys drift in to that nice guy, beta perspective, where women are held high on a pedestal and almost bowed down to, this doesnt help the guys as they dont get anywhere with women and it also doesnt help the women because they are not attracted to this type of guy. So there is the need for guys to be able to see women at least on the same level as them, if not see themselves on a higher level simply because women are usually attracted to guys who are better than them in some way. Its also actually more objectifying to women to see them as these beautiful alien life forms rather than just people. So i guess the question is how do you teach men how to stop being the 'nice guy' and embrace their own value and masculinity. I agree with your criticisms of red pill ideology, I think a lot of it comes from male pain at being rejected or having a hard time with women and its almost like now 'we've got one over on them look at the stats'. Of course any ideas that come from pain are going to have a biased edge to them, these then filter down to the consumers of the content and it paints an overall world view that allows men to push all responsibility for their own lack of success on to women. Mosg that buy into red pill are at this stage and thats why it can be dangerous but the argument can also be most people at the stage, especially men, are very susceptible to toxic ideology. I think the truth within the red pill is still important as you will not be able to shift from 'nice guy' without it but by the same token you need to have a certain maturity to really take it on board without getting toxic. Youre also right in that guys can use it to ape alphas, which then creates this shell of an alpha rather than an authentic men who has embraced his masculinity. I think if you follow any ideology to the letter by definition you wouldnt be an alpha. So its important to take on this knowledge and then transcend it.

The alien zoologists who logged into this forum are probably having a lot of fun reading this . Consciousness ain't no mistake.

FUCK YEA ALIENS now where is my colossal titan body nah but in all seriousness folwks, lets make 1 thing clear: Aliens do exist its quite simple actually: you got 100 billion planets in the milky way alone (remember that's its not the biggest galaxy out there) + 2 trillion galaxies which also contain 100 billion planets and then you might also have different universes, which there could be billions or trillions of universes out there, lets assume there are only 100 other universes out there besides ours, 100 x 2 trillion = 200 trillion. and yet our mind can't even understand how much 1,000 planets is and yea i know its all just stupid math but you have to understand in the milky way alone there are 6 billion earth like planets out there (meaning they contain water,vegetation and are in the goldilocks zone which is the ideal temperature for life like us) i bet if we asked a quantum computer what's the probability of at least one planet of 100 billion that has alien life on it, the quantum computer would just shut down with a error message saying "y'all too stupid bruh"

@DocWatts Sorry I meant the branch in area 51, the secret branch. And it doesn't mean that they completely understand the alien technology now, assuming they have tight controls against leak of information, but it's more realistic to slowly understand the thing. It took humanity thousands of years to understand that the earth revolves around the sun, it might be like that with alien tech. We might need advanced A.I devices ti help reverse engineer alien tech.

I'm willing to bet the government has to some degree reversed engineered some of the alien tech.

Alien denial is an ideology that goes hand-in-hand with the intraparadigmatic attitudes of pop science (cynicism and rigidity). Maybe when Pope-o-science Neil daddy Tyson changes his mind, maybe then we'll see some changes in the collective consciousness of neopositivists ?

Or another possiblity is that aliens are here observing us, yet the vast majority of sightings are false positives. Both things can be true at the same time. Hell even if the alien hypothesis is eventually validated in some substantial way, that doesn't mean that every ambiguous sighting is credible, or that those weird lights in the sky that you saw in the sky weren't an optical illusion with a terrestrial explanation.

Only one possibility is alien And you really think thousands of people lied for 70 years (that includes the politics, police officers, and military) ? For what purpose ?

They can be earthly things, and hoaxes, and people can be lying, etc. You alien believers are acting like Jodistrict. A "sky quake" happens: "It must be aliens!" It's ridiculous. You think everything you don't know is a alien. Normal airplanes create sonic booms which can travel a long long way.

But that belief doesn't take you anywhere. There's no real meaning purpose or value behind it. Whether it's intelligently guided or not doesn't seem to matter in the sense that you don't know how many fingers I'm holding up behind my back or what the neighbor had for breakfast or what's happening at the Quickie Mart in Japan. The mind just incessantly goes in circles trying to figure THIS out and you end right back at THIS. If there is a discovery of other planets with habitable life-forms that's what's happening. If you discover there's a cosmic controller dictating everything that's what's happening. If you believe this is a computer program designed by complex alien species that's what's happening. Simply nothing matters absolutely nothing. It always ends up being just what it is. ❤

Yeah but i've also been on jets, and are familiar enough with them to place that object moving in a strait line at 30,000 feet in to a context that I can make sense of. Now who can say that they have anything approaching a comparable level of familiarity about something from another world made with alien tech?

I know this sounds arrogant, but that's not what it is. When I am around people who haven't changed a bit for the last 20 years I get scared. I feel like an alien for being interested in self-improvement and for being the only one willing to do the work and I panic. Also when I see these people that are suffering for the same reasons as 20 years ago and still complaining about the same things, that just feels so depressing. It's like they've reduced themselves to a movie that's been stuck on replay for 20 years. To spend your WHOLE life as an unconscious automaton who never gained even 1 bit of consciousness. I can't stomach this tragedy and feel depressed for the whole day afterwards. How can I cope with stagnation?

I'd counter that the situation being analogous to the vast majority of people in the area where I live having zero experience with snakes, and being unable to differentiate a Black Mamba from a dozen other species of similar looking North American Snakes at a glance. Could a Black Mamba have somehow made its way from another continent to North America, or have escaped captivity? It's certainly possible. If a rumor of such was spreading about, I would expect quite a few false positives from people who have no particular expertise in the type of phenomena they're trying to identify. Likewise, do I trust that most ordinary people to correctly identify that the small blob in the sky is actually a UFO and not an optical illusion caused by something more conventional? Not so much. Just because I'm willing to give the guy who has flown jets for 18 years a lot more credibility when he speaks about a strange encounter he had, doesn't automatically extend credibility to every person who interprets a blob they saw in the sky as an alien. Or to put it another way: aliens might exist, but that doesn't mean that the vast majority of sightings aren't false positives.

I have a couple of guys that I'll be dating in the next few months. I don't want a relationship so I'll just be dating and going out with them. Dinners and everything. Of course I like to split the bill, it's a nice gesture if he pays, but I don't want my stuff to be paid for, so I'll pay for my own orders and things. He can pay his. If he takes me out, I'll let him know already that I'll be paying for my own things so I don't want his favors. I can be pretty egotistical when it comes to paying money for food or other things. I have never taken a single dime from my past boyfriends ever. I just don't want to. I don't want the whole "boyfriend paying for me" thing. I have never done it and will never do it. It goes against my pride. But I want to spend good time with guys and their company especially sweet guys. And in the past few months after my breakup, some guys approached me who were my old friends. One guy approached me at a coffee shop a month ago and he was a stranger and I gave him my number. He called me and texted me and I did not reply. I decided to reply yesterday and he instantly responded. Looks like he doesn't have a girlfriend. So I can be free to date him. I don't want a relationship yet. Because I am over it all for good. Yet I have still have attraction for men. And I would like to go out and spend time with different interested men. I don't even like to call them men, it sounds archaic, I will call them guys. I have an experience of 4 relationships under my belt. So i will use this experience to gauge men who are a proper fit with my mentality. I'm a sweet person so when it comes to chilling together, I'm no alien. I like guys a lot. I feel intense sexual attraction towards men that is guys.

That's a fair point, but the best that eyewitness testimony can do at this point (even when that comes from someone more qualified than most to speak about ariel phenomena) is demonstrate that there's something worth looking in to further using other empirical methods. Just saying that something is Alien in origin by a process of deduction still doesn't tell us what these things actually are, what they're doing here, if these are vehicles whether they're manned spacecraft or automated drones, etc. Also where they're coming from, what sort of technology these things possess, or whether or not whoever's controlling these things is actually interested in observing humans specifically. Are these craft intentionally trying to avoid detection? Or are legit sightings so incredibly rare that it just seems that way to us? Eyewitness testimony alone, even from the most credible source in the world, will never be able to tell us most of what we would want to know about these things (beyond thier mere existence). So yeah, saying that these objects warrant further study is Valid, even if their existence is already settled in your mind.

@Adamq8 Nice reference to Donald Hoffman. I enjoy his speeches. I think though that with many teachers, what makes the idea inaccessible to "hardnosed scientific" type people, is that they say experience only has correlation in physical matter in a way that makes it seem like they're implying physical matter has no bearing at all on experience. I don't think you need to deny the science of the external world or neuroscience etc. for nonduality to be true. In fact, because this "dream" (the universe) IS God, science is perhaps one of the most divine practices of all alongside meditation, as exploration of the science of this universe is very literally an exploration of God, since God IS it. I do not see any issue if the brain does in fact control what this "localized form" experiences. I do not see that it is any issue whatsoever or that it is contrary to nonduality in any way. Matter is made of consciousness, the brain is simply millions of years of evolution constructing a sort of superorganism where millions of points of experience work as one unit. There isn't a combination problem because the little points of experience don't vanish... The combination problem is like hypothesizing that animals like horses are just one single giant cell. In reality, it is millions of cells, none of the smaller cells vanish when they come together as that horse. Not only do I think it's possible, I think it is FACTUAL. I think most robots are conscious. Think of this... If there is a little robot vacuum cleaner, it moves around on wheels and has a laser sensor that detects when there is an object ahead so that it can turn. When that laser detects a wall and sends a signal to the robot's chip, it turns. Why? Because it is AWARE that there is a wall ahead. It has KNOWLEDGE that a wall is ahead. If there was zero awareness that a wall is ahead, it wouldn't turn it would just run straight into it because it doesn't know the wall is there. Because it is so alien to us this is almost impossible to understand, but I do not see how it could be any other way. By dictionary definition, that little robot is displaying an act of awareness. How could it not be? So inside that robot there is a localized form of consciousness. When the robot is turned off, the localization is no more, like a whirpool in a river (whirpools being localized in the stream) going away leaving just river. When our brains are turned off, the localization is no more. Consciousness and qualia all exist inside God which is "nothingness" and the "place" where things go when there is nothing to experience them like the example of red.

I'm not saying aliens are certain. I just assign it a fairly high probability given everything I understand about spirituality. See.... you are merely looking for direct evidence whereas I use a trans-human intelligence to interconnect 100s of different data points across dozens of different fields of study, many of which have nothing to do with UFOs or aliens at all. If you are operating from a stage Orange mindset you will not understand that depth of epistemic, metaphysical, and spiritual issues at work here. This goes way beyond the narrow confines of materialists science if these aliens are real. These aliens will be ridiculously conscious motherfuckers, beyond anything the human mind can fathom. Part of my life's work is to actually lay down an epistemic framework for how to understand alien minds, whenever they are encountered. They may not be encountered for a long time, but also, they might not visit us simply because they know we are too stupid to understand them. I don't expect any hardcore evidence to appear in the next 5 years. All you might get are more photos and videos of orb-like craft from very far away. You're not gonna get pictures of alien corpses or up close spaceships. All of that will be top classified if it exists. And it may not exist. Don't forget, the odds of humans being alone in this material universe are basically zero. I'm not even talking about other dimensions and so on.

Seems like you guys haven't even watched the video series about UFOs I linked on my blog. https://www.actualized.org/insights/new-york-post-ufo-series Of course it's not some definitive proof. but it builds a powerful case if you watch it all with an open mind. But again, those of you with closed minds shouldn't even watch it, because nothing can help you open your mind except an alien raping your in your sleep. The game your mind is playing is: any evidence you receive, you will rationalize away. You can lead a mule to water, but you can't make him drink.

What If I told you I saw an Alien coming out of an UFO and speaking in an Alien language ? Am I lying or do I need to get a selfie with him next time ?