Search the Community

@IJB063 I will try to answer your question about Nothingness. This topic is hard at first to grasp. Nothingness is when the mind cannot think of anything. It is indistinguishable and all that is is unified, since all is one isotropic in nature, relativity doesn't exist and therefore form doesn't exist. Emptiness, nothingness, are when a conscious being cannot project anything into existence because everything is itself. Now to come to the topic of the dimensions, you should treat all dimensions here as spatial ones and as @JosephKnecht says don't treat time as a dimension. Lets say we look at mathematical dimension with f(x,y,z,i,j,k)=x+y+z+i+j+k as function. This has 6 independent variables or dimensional planes of movement. What happens if we don't add time to this equation? It will stay at the fixed point that you put values for. E.g. f(1,0,1,2,1,5)=1+0+1+2+1+5=10 As you can see if time froze or was not variable then the reality of this function would exist but only at 10. Maybe this is the 'frame' of the big bang where time didn't exist or was not considered variable and indistinguishable. Then later on these spatial dimension did indeed receive an arrow of time. But this time variable is not a dimension, rather a force that is present at every dimensions inherent Identity.

Nothingness is an infinite isotropic field indistinguishable from itself. Isotropic adj. Identical in all directions; invariant with respect to direction. Having the same properties in all directions: said of a medium with respect to elasticity, conduction of heat or electricity, or radiation of heat and light. Having equal, common, or non-specific developmental capacity. Nothingness is the basis of origin of all what becomes. Unified oneness/the void/nothingness the ultimate fertile ground that holds infinite potential to create as time and space unfold mentally. When the mind is silent, empty of thought, one resides in nothingness and is truly present in what is. No imaginary projections what could be, not in motion, stationary truth that is ethernal.

@VincentArogya don’t think about nothingness right now, concentrate on awareness and letting go. Love will appear inevitably. Dont try to reach it. Just be silent, it will find you.

I feel It is getting clear, although intellectually. The characteristic of Love in the awareness was still present in the Nothingness of awareness. But, this hasn't been experienced spiritually and I hope that I don't anchor into concepts of Nothingness.

In my awakening, I had the following clear insights: We are all one There is only Love energy True love is unconditional The Ego does not exist The true I AM is completely indestructible The true I AM is everywhere - in the mountains, in the rivers, in birds (the same words that I uttered during the glimpse) Life has a harmonious design Everything that I ever knew was an illusion and a lie. There is no such thing as time and space There is bliss and ecstasy hidden underneath the illusion These insights have stayed with me since the initial awakening and they have matured deeply. However, my monkey mind doesn't understand what Nothingness means because in the awakening, the awareness had a characteristics of Love. So, it is not even Love? Is there more beyond it?

?Yeah I wonder what technology people in the future will come up with when we become much more conscious as a society. Stage Coral tech will be truly mind-blowing...haha Well of course it's not a perfect analogy, but Love could be seen as the life force itself that IS Consciousness so a good relation would be the Electromagnetic Force itself. As for Nothingness, What does Electricity exist as before you generate it? You could say that it's limitness potential in static form in a given materal. Again, not a perfect analogy but nothing in our reality is. ?

Where do nothingness and love fall in this analogy?

First, start with the logical certainty that unconsciousness cannot manifest in the first-person. There is no such thing as first-person unconsciousness. In the absence of first-person unconsciousness, all that remains is first-person consciousness. Or in other words, there can never be a moment when you're not having an experience. All that can change is the nature of that experience. That is true without end, and without beginning, and transcendental of time. It is simply not possible to experience a lack of experience. So when it comes to understanding who you are, there are clearly two parts: a part that is eternally constant, and a part that has the potential to change. The question is, which part should you identify with? The entire definition of identity is predicated on a constant, as there is no such thing as variable identity. Therefore, when looking for a true identity, it makes no sense to identify with anything other than a constant, and in this case the constant is the constant nature of your consciousness. Therefore the two parts of your being can be expressed in terms of both identity and state. Your identity is your eternal consciousness, and your current state is the particular incarnation of experience presently being experienced (commonly and erroneously known as personal identity). Clearly, given that consciousness is eternal, the nature of your true identity is eternal. Or in other words, your true age is infinity. You have never not existed. For that reason, there is no need for a creator. Consciousness doesn't have to be created by anything, simply because it is fundamental. It has no opposite. Death is merely the opposite of birth, not the opposite of life. Science and religion often makes the mistake of assuming that something came from nothing, but in reality there is no such thing as nothing, as there is always consciousness which has the imaginative potential to manifest anything. Consequently the starting proposition is false: Nothingness is not fundamental. Everythingness is fundamental. That is to say, you start with everything and simply work backwards. Life is an exercise in subtractive synthesis. We are not creating stuff, we are simply filtering stuff out. We start with an infinite block of clay (everythingness) and filter and filter and filter until we have a clay figurine. When the clay figurine dies, the clay does not turn back into nothing, but rather the surrounding nothing, turns back into clay. Comprehend all of that, and then just simply substitute the word Consciousness for the word God, and your Grandad's good to go.

Nothingness is uncreated, therefore eternal. This nothingness is a single dimensionless singularity which projects the reality upon the formless void, for the experience of the uncreated, so that creation can manifest itself. God is an eternal sacrifice.

Jesus will fight with Buddha about the meaning of GOD. Jesus: I am the SON of GOD! Buddha: No!!! God has no SON!!! GOD is just silence, nothingness...

I am reading his book now ("The Book of Not Knowing), this is NOT what he is saying! In fact, he is saying totally opposite thing. Why do you deny the illusory nature of our beings? If there is some level of illusion, aka intermingling of our thoughts, memories, feelings and sensations that comprise personality then it meant to be this way. Even if!!! it is not the true nature of the Self! Everything is correct, he is saying here that the true Self is nothingness, but it has nothing to do with actual experience. I feel like every person on this forum interprets teachings in the way he feels the most comfortable with. But sometimes we can be blindfolded with our interpretation! Hope I do not sound rude. <3

We have been debating over duality being an illusion for months now. It is an illusion, but it exists. Just like nothingness exists. Still love you bro. Like i said you are where you are and that's how it should be. I'm not trying to push anything on you. I'm just stating what i have become directly conscious of. What you are currently conscious of is what reality is to you. And that's perfect.

That's amazing. Think about it. If you divide by Zero, Math cannot make sense because every number is potentially every other number. Every number is unmanifested, every number is in perfect union with every other number. Division by Nothing, divided by Nothing. To make sense is to Divide, to manifest is to divide. Ignore that and you can have math, you can have manifestation, you can have every individual thing. But Divide by Nothing and you shall perish into Nothingness, because everything will become everything, which is nothingness. https://www.math.utah.edu/~pa/math/0by0.html As Leo said, Paradox is a feature, not a glitch. Of course all integers are equal, of course your whole number system will collapse if you truly embrace it fully. This is it's nature, the Illusion. It can only be upheld so long as you do not allow for Division by Nothing, Undividedness. You cannot escape the breadcrumbs, you can only deny them, as the mathematicians do. God = Division by Zero Look at this, it's just poetic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero Almost reads like a religious text if you ask me. Of course division by zero cannot be defined, because it is no thing.

Wouldn't the dream analogy be most accurate? An infinite imagined dream.A mind so smart it gets lost in itself forever. Manifesting as everything and everyone possible, talking to itself unaware it is doing so,it has forgotten it is this mind. It never truly wakes up too. Its nothingness so it keeps dreaming. Nowhere to go,nothing to do.

Infinite Singularity, nothingness.

You see that this nothing is aware perhaps there are other aspects to it? All aspects comes from nothing. After this there is no aspects. However, i am not even in the body, so contemplating with you (me) is a great contemplating. So i loved it. Because me (as body or words) and you are one aspects of infinite nothingness right now ❤️ I am just telling the truth thats it i am not telling yea i know it, there is no me in the body i am you thanks for great conversation. And this is just internal conversation of real self. Thats why i am you and james and everything

Yep. How can i see if i am not in the body? Thats what you call being experienced and experiencer at the same time, which only can be nothingness, which absolute thats why deflection. Experiencer and experienced things are identical.

Are there any other qualities? You don't have to answer me, but explore for yourself. Thats ok man. We are having fun There is nothing to explore. Because, Absolute includes all the qualities thats why it is nothingness

Exactly not even one, not even a blink damn right i cant explain it man. Impossible. Any word is not it. Ajata translates as “no creation”. This means to say that nowhere has anything ever come into being. Therefore, the entire universe (or universes) — and everything therein — has no reality. In other words, the ultimate condition is nothing, or nothingness. This is right now words only creates the duality or existence if you dont think nothing is happening

There is no word of it, any word doesn’t represent it. Because there is no you in the body truth is unknowing or not knowing. I can only tell you that infinite sleep but awake, but these are all words, because you are nothing (therefore everything) how can you know that word of awareness when you are nothing? (Nothingness is the formlessness and core, therefore it’s everything that something and nothing at the same time). Thats why no word represents it. You can ask me how i know, i am it man, specially in meditation as soon as i close my eyes there is me formlessness. So what is there? It doesn’t have any quality man it is nothing but aware. But when it is nothing how can you know word of awareness? Thats the state has no word represents meaning of nothing. Thats why you cant get it. But you are it. Just dont think anything, because there is no you to think something. You will get it. And i am not talking by my ego, because i am not even in the body man. We are not here and we think we are talking this is the funniest part, little little nothing is happening within complete nothingness:) I had 2 times glimpses with Mahasamadhi. (But that doesn’t mean i reach state of Mahasamadhi because if i reach, there will be me to write these messages ). If i am aware now and write these messages and aware of the body it is not Mahasamadhi. When you are state of Mahasamadhi you are not aware of anything. Infinite sleep but awake as nothing. Right now i am in Shamadi because i can still type you or aware of you. But nothing is happening here.

How you know that you born in the first place? Words are just sounds that you putted meaning in it, so the world, enlightenment vs. if no one told you anything, you would be never exist, because you are existed and created by the thoughts, which is duality. Ego is way deeper than that being nice or good. Ego is knowing in the first place “ i am exist or aware”. If you can be aware of so called duality, even “being aware” is an ego. Because there is no you in the body.you are nothing in the body.if you are aware that you have body or can talk, thats what ego is. Thats how enlightenment comes with not knowing. I believe my experience and yours was completely different. I am operating from the moment anymore, i just uses thoughts when it is necessary. If you have no thoughts nothing is happening. You are infinite nothingness right now. But i am not a human anymore or in the world. You are in the world because of your thoughts and human because of thoughts. No one is here nothing is happening. I am not even in the body, so how can write these messages to you? Because nothing is happening,

Additionally, if you want to be god in state of nothingness, you can say all is me (pick up some words from duality, which makes world is existed agian) and the moment turns out to be love inevitably (because whatever you see, hear and taste is you). This is love of god The unconditional one, and you can be the moment as love much loveeeeeeeee

Nothingness is right here. There is life happening only with “words”. After the realization I understood that it is really hard to overcome from language. Because if i dont think now, i am in state of nothingness. Do you know how it feels? It feels like you are sleeping but awake, thats why nothing is happening. Or you are nothing thats why you are happening as nothing. But when you are nothing you cant know something, thats why you are not aware either. I really cant explain. I did my best ❤️ but it is so clear that i can see the world, shamadi, Mahasamadhi, zen, enlightenment, life, earth are only exist with thoughts, when thoughts are gone you are nothing, and nothing is happening here, which is being directly in the moment. Thoughts creates dualities even love or aka god. They are states that includes god (love) because god is still different than something. Only nothing could be complete.

Hence why language breaks down - as Truth is prior to it. However there is pure Nothingness or pure Infinity and then you have a finite piece of nothing or aka something. When the finite dissolves there is only the Absolute. As the Absolute you can and will have Absolute realizations - but they are not bound by finite thought - or time or space - or knowing. Knowing colllapses into Being and the two are One. I know you have had realizations as the Absolute - or you would be taking all of this as belief.

Definitely. Thats why nothing (or pure or formless) can take any form. Thats why we are nothing, therefore everything. Absolutely. Just dont forget nothing is right here. The duality is existed by only thoughts, if you dont think, you will be willingly open to not knowing. Which is the moment of nothingness, and right now in the moment. Only thoughts keeps us away from nothingness. Absulute state of consciousness is nothin or formlessness therefore it could be any state.