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@Adamq8 Nice reference to Donald Hoffman. I enjoy his speeches. I think though that with many teachers, what makes the idea inaccessible to "hardnosed scientific" type people, is that they say experience only has correlation in physical matter in a way that makes it seem like they're implying physical matter has no bearing at all on experience. I don't think you need to deny the science of the external world or neuroscience etc. for nonduality to be true. In fact, because this "dream" (the universe) IS God, science is perhaps one of the most divine practices of all alongside meditation, as exploration of the science of this universe is very literally an exploration of God, since God IS it. I do not see any issue if the brain does in fact control what this "localized form" experiences. I do not see that it is any issue whatsoever or that it is contrary to nonduality in any way. Matter is made of consciousness, the brain is simply millions of years of evolution constructing a sort of superorganism where millions of points of experience work as one unit. There isn't a combination problem because the little points of experience don't vanish... The combination problem is like hypothesizing that animals like horses are just one single giant cell. In reality, it is millions of cells, none of the smaller cells vanish when they come together as that horse. Not only do I think it's possible, I think it is FACTUAL. I think most robots are conscious. Think of this... If there is a little robot vacuum cleaner, it moves around on wheels and has a laser sensor that detects when there is an object ahead so that it can turn. When that laser detects a wall and sends a signal to the robot's chip, it turns. Why? Because it is AWARE that there is a wall ahead. It has KNOWLEDGE that a wall is ahead. If there was zero awareness that a wall is ahead, it wouldn't turn it would just run straight into it because it doesn't know the wall is there. Because it is so alien to us this is almost impossible to understand, but I do not see how it could be any other way. By dictionary definition, that little robot is displaying an act of awareness. How could it not be? So inside that robot there is a localized form of consciousness. When the robot is turned off, the localization is no more, like a whirpool in a river (whirpools being localized in the stream) going away leaving just river. When our brains are turned off, the localization is no more. Consciousness and qualia all exist inside God which is "nothingness" and the "place" where things go when there is nothing to experience them like the example of red.

I'm not saying aliens are certain. I just assign it a fairly high probability given everything I understand about spirituality. See.... you are merely looking for direct evidence whereas I use a trans-human intelligence to interconnect 100s of different data points across dozens of different fields of study, many of which have nothing to do with UFOs or aliens at all. If you are operating from a stage Orange mindset you will not understand that depth of epistemic, metaphysical, and spiritual issues at work here. This goes way beyond the narrow confines of materialists science if these aliens are real. These aliens will be ridiculously conscious motherfuckers, beyond anything the human mind can fathom. Part of my life's work is to actually lay down an epistemic framework for how to understand alien minds, whenever they are encountered. They may not be encountered for a long time, but also, they might not visit us simply because they know we are too stupid to understand them. I don't expect any hardcore evidence to appear in the next 5 years. All you might get are more photos and videos of orb-like craft from very far away. You're not gonna get pictures of alien corpses or up close spaceships. All of that will be top classified if it exists. And it may not exist. Don't forget, the odds of humans being alone in this material universe are basically zero. I'm not even talking about other dimensions and so on.

Seems like you guys haven't even watched the video series about UFOs I linked on my blog. https://www.actualized.org/insights/new-york-post-ufo-series Of course it's not some definitive proof. but it builds a powerful case if you watch it all with an open mind. But again, those of you with closed minds shouldn't even watch it, because nothing can help you open your mind except an alien raping your in your sleep. The game your mind is playing is: any evidence you receive, you will rationalize away. You can lead a mule to water, but you can't make him drink.

What If I told you I saw an Alien coming out of an UFO and speaking in an Alien language ? Am I lying or do I need to get a selfie with him next time ?

@Leo Gura I again have to strongly disagree. Of course it is relative to each individual but that is the own interpretation of the individual to a universal experience. That is how each human being cognizes and assimilates a phenomena which is common to all beings (at least beings...) and I would even say that is a cosmic reality. The same an alien would have it's own bios and interpretation of the same phenomena of love and peace. Therefore, each individual will have it's own ideas about how to generate and sustain this states, but the underlying truth and experience is one and the same among all human, animals, plants, aliens... Each at it's own level of understanding, each one just understands what it can understand but the melody is the same. As different beings watching the same movie. One will get the plot, another wouldn't even understand the language but enjoyed the visual aspect of it, another is just thinking about other things... Yet the film is one and the same. So saying that each one has a different idea of the film is true, but the next assumption done that the film therefore must be different: is a big trap. The melody is the same, each one hears/listens what their ear can hear/listen. Is that love or lack of love? It's just the same thing but a more condensed and solid form of love. For what is true is that an individual who is already exuberant in love would not rape. So the fact is the same, is the interpretation of that film. How it thinks that he can get the same underlying truth that each one experiences, by his own understanding and means. It may be his idea of the film, but it is not The Film. So a society which encouraged the understanding of The Film and it's experience; while understanding the meta perspective about the whole game of the ideas about the film, would be the most optimal way to live. Please, I am talking about a much broad understanding of Tibet. So u pointed out that the main blindspot was survival. Yet we have a country whoose survival is brutal where pain, suffering and death was very very common. However, even before Buddhist era, since the shamanic way of live they already had deep compassion and love toward all the people that they had contact with. Instead of happening what u were saying, that survival need would make them lose it all; the opposite happened. So Tibet, has been and is a very clear example that even in the worst survival situations we can still create a good society. Was so the case that when buddhism arrived to tibet had such a great acceptance, because we could say in a way that they were buddhist before buddhism. Moreover, even in this extreme survival conditions a third of the population (just take a few moments to understand how much that is) became monks and lived with the bare minimum to substain it's life.

Or... Maybe Big Foot is real? There is a big difference between backwood rednecks confusing bears for Big Foot vs trained navy pilots telling you about alien craft. Of course not all UFO reports are valid. But it only takes 1. There is always noise in the data. That doesn't debunk the bottomline.

Because I'm an alien I'm much smarter than you and so I use reverse reverse psychology instead

If I was an alien I would use reverse psychology.

Wouldn't they argue against there being aliens if they want to keep it a secret though? Maybe they actually brainwash regular humans using heavy metals to force their brain into believing there are no aliens, giving them brain fog to make them ignore all the incredible alien evidence out there...

The number of report itself doesn't prove or disprove anything. Take big foot for instance: There definitely are UFOs (objects not identified) but none of the UFO sighting confirms them to be of alien nature. It's like you are trying to convince us that big foot is homosexual based on the amount of big foot reports there are. No matter how many UFOs we find it doesn't confirm it's aliens. Each individual case has it's own individual explanation. Even if there are aliens out there among the UFOs it wouldn't explain 100% of the UFOs. Most of the UFOs are debunkable (like the one you linked at the beginning of this thread). If you don't want to provide any extra evidence there's not much more to chat about here.

The military having top classified intelligence is no conspiracy theory. You have to see the military's view of this: they themselves don't know what to do about it. What are they supposed to do? They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. These military people are not equipped to deal with or to understand alien consciousnesses. It's not that the military is trying to fool you. They are just managing the situation as best as they know how (which is not very good). And they are looking out for your national defense. There is nothing sinister about this. It's just business as usual. Ironically it is you who believe in conspiracy theories when you take the position that tens of thousands of reported UFO sightings are all just hoaxes and delusions. Average people have no reason to lie about such things.

Seriously Leo.. Not you. You're supposed to be all about Truth and all that stuff. You're supposed to be smart. You're supposed to be the one who doesn't believe in conspiracy theories etc. Reality never fails to deliver disappointments. They come from all angles. It never ends. I just wish that you can feel that you can leave the alien rabbit hole whenever you want. That you are free to change beliefs in an instant. Please don't ban me. I just wanted to say this one thing. Good article. Thanks. Unbelievable..

Every major military has UFO sightings. It's just that the Chinese are not gonna tell you about it. They don't even tell you that Tianamen Square happened. And you expect them to tell you about alien weaponry? More Lolz.

The excuse that UFOs are something other than alien technology is just a coping mechanism. The only thing we are talking about when we talk about UFOs is alien technology. But Leo! It's "unidentified"! Lolz. Keep telling yourself that.

I just finished watching this, was a good interview. It's clear that David Fravor believes it's aliens, he mentions in the interview that if you wanted to be taken seriously you have to avoid talking about "little green men", but after being questioned about what he thinks the tic tacs are he basically alludes to them being aliens without explicitly stating so. After explaining what the UFO's he saw couldn't be, Lex, reading between the lines, says at 2:15:26 "So you're saying if you had to bet all your money, it would be alien technology". This is what should be on everyone's mind at this point after listening to Fravor, you would already know he thinks it's aliens at this point. Fravor replies "I don't like to get into little green men, but it's not something that we created"

Nice "debate" between a alien skeptic and a alien nut:

I think your attitude is a perfectly sensible response to the alien culture into which we were born. For the vast majority of our ancestors prior to the modern period, people were born into communities which they'd remain in until the day they died. Think about that for a moment. Imagine you knew practically every detail about the 150ish people you knew, imagine you shared a common set of values with them, imagine if the prospect of getting to know anyone from outside of that group never even crossed your mind. If every person you ever knew was part of your own extended family. Those were the circumstances by which our brains evolved. Nowadays we have to conjure up trust manually and dance around trying to build rapport all while knowing the other person is doing exactly the same thing. The sickening fakeness, the theatrical gestures and expressions learned from dramatic media... We have superficial relationships with friends which don't come close to significance of the relationships our ancestors had... hell in many cases we don't even know our friends' parents. We live in a degenerated, disconnected culture. A culture like this shames anybody who doesn't succumb to it, and that's why you feel a pull toward becoming more open and accepting of others.

I would never argue that eyewitness testimony is worthless, but it does have serious limitations as a methodology for validating empirical claims that lie far outside of most people's lived experience. Is eyewitness testimony useful for more mundane things such as a recalled conversation, or the make and model of a car that pulled away from a building? Sure. But for bizarre things that completely outside of normal everyday experience, do I trust most people to be able to correctly interpret whatever the hell it is that they think they're seeing? Not so much. Now I am willing to give more of a benefit of the doubt to people like David Fravor who at least have several years of expertise that's directly relevant to their claim, and is part of the reason I'm not completely dismissive of the alien hypothesis. If nothing else, it at least demonstrates that there's something worth looking in to. Of course Scientific investigation has limitations as well, but it's a much better methodology for making sense of these types of claims than just taking people at their word. If the conclusions that were being made from eyewitness testimony were much more modest in their ontological claims, most reasonable people wouldn't have a problem with it, ie: "There have been sightings of many strange areal phenomena over the last 50 years that could be interpreted as aliens." Even if eyewitness testimony could tell us beyond a shadow of a doubt that we were dealing with is alien technology, we would still want to know what these objects actually are, what they're doing here, how, etc. Which would warrant further investigation using other methodologies.

Even if it does turn out to be the case that aliens spacecraft are visiting us, we're still a long way from having conclusive evidence available to the public which demonstrates that in an unambiguous way. Claiming off handedly that the 'US military has known about UFOs for years' isn't very conclusive without an official statement backed up by some hard evidence, or a whistleblower akin to an Edward Snowden who achieves something to that same effect. Low quality video footage that's highly ambiguous and interpretable as to its phenomenological cause is not hard evidence. Someone like David Fravor relating an experience that's corroborated by the accounts of a handful of other highly trained professionals saw is a lot better, and is enough to give the hypothesis some legs, but it still doesn't tell us what the phenomenological cause is of whatever these things are. And even if you believe that beyond a shadow of doubt that alien craft are visiting us, categorizing them as alien in origin still doesn't explain what these things are, what they're doing here, etc. About as useful saying something is human in origin; helpful in some ways, but there's still so much that it doesn't tell you. Are these types of phenomena worth studying further? Absolutely; the fact that there's a non negligible chance that some of these may be aliens warrants that. But it's just too early to say anything definitive about them for the time being.

Maybe I'm totally wrong and the "opposite pole" you describe are actually triggered by "UFO evidence" and this evidence shatters their worldview but IMO, the fact Leo and so many others are so eager to believe in aliens after seeing UFO footage is much more "triggering" for some. For many Leo is a role model and it's a bit like discovering your role model is a flat earther. The dude you've been listening to videos for ages, the dude who got you into meditation and changed your life. Yes the same dude looks at blurry pentagon footage and is already 100% convinced those are evidence of aliens, refuses to provide further proof and calls anyone who disagree with him "dense". I think this is a factor but also the frustration of people being naive and buying into theories so fast. It's easy to judge other people for doing that when you already dislike yourself for doing the same in other areas of life. "Ah if only I wasn't so naive and didn't buy into every bullshit story my mind creates!" this can make a lot of struggle that is then projected outward to other people who buy into cheap stories online. At the end of the day nobody would cry if those UFOs were actually confirmed to be aliens. Nobody would "suffer a shattered worldview". I don't think anyone actually cares about defending that no-alien worldview it's much more about the meta-POV of "Do I believe cheap stories? Am I able to admit I don't know?".

I don't know about alien, this was more about making fun of the opposite pole of what you describe.

I know who you are trying to make fun of but this is a dishonest strawman. Nobody denies the fact UFO exists or are confirmed (there are things in the sky that fly which are not identified). Some people see UFO and conclude it's aliens some people see UFO and refuse to conclude its aliens. Seeing a phenomenon you don't understand and saying "It's aliens!" is similar to seeing electricity in the 1200s and saying "it's magic!". There are a lot of things we don't understand about the universe and so far truth has always been more intricate than a catch-all explanation like aliens (or magic). If you start believing in aliens you can simply attribute every thing we don't understand to it. Expansion of the universe? Alien technology. How did ancient egyptian make the pyramids? Aliens! Why did Trump lose the election? It was rigged by aliens!!! The main problem with this world view is not that it's "too crazy" or "too radical" but simply that it stops the mind from staying curious. That's what conspiracy theories and catch-all explanations do. No need to look further, you already have a crazy explanation which is so vague it covers everything.

@dflores321 thank you I know I am not real. What happens is that things in "my mind" materialize everywhere. I don't like it and think it makes existence futile. I'm conscious of how I'm imagining almost everything in this reality. "Synchronicities" are cute. Is this just my ego (which I'm also imagining), interpreting this as negative? I just don't know how to get past it. How will I ever have a genuine conversation with "another self" if I'm just imagining them, and am conscious of how I'm doing it, and how they're just a reflection of me?@Ry4n It can't seem to be reconciled. It doesn't feel genuine. It feels really weird. @WelcometoReality I feel like an alien, completely cut off from myself and others. Like I'm just watching shit unfold. I want to feel connected. I want to have genuine interactions with people again. I've been depressed for years and it's not helping at all. How would I practice loving kindness, and how do I get out of my own way. I tend to overanalyze situations and the metaphysics of them.

@Blackhawk Case closed, no debating. While I loosely think the spacecraft, or the materials might be alien in origin, I do think that if this was designed by a human mind that figured out and imagined how the parts could work together in such a way that it could split apart mid flight maintaining control, then that is epic as hell.

It's not fear. Do you believe that the thing in that video is a alien/has alien origin?