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Hey guys! I'm losing my mind right now. I had my 3rd 5-MEO-DMT trip yesterday. My facilitator isn't too concerned about dosing and I tried not to manage it. I had an incredible experience that I couldn't remember immediately after. I remember understanding everything and the bliss but didn't know how to talk about it and left as though nothing happened. I drove home 1.5 hours and tended to my family like nothing happened. I was a little disappointed that I didn't insist on a certain dosage because I wanted a breakthrough dose. It reverberated throughout the night. It has slowly unfolded for me today and my mind is blown!! It's like my little brain couldn't process that much information at that time and it contained it. I was getting glimpses of it all morning but when the glimpse faded I couldn't summon the feeling back. I've been in a fog (or a strange state) all day. But now (26 hours later) it's back and my whole body is experiencing a fraction of it. I am remembering the absolute bliss and absolute knowing and I'm in utter shock. It's as though the ultimate source said: "See, NOW DO YOU SEE." There was no "me" but somehow my soul was bathed and saturated into infinity. The absolute beauty and ineffability. I somehow feel like my code is rewritten but I don't know what that means. I don't have more words than this and these aren't sufficient. My concept of time is different. I have a small sense of everything being simultaneous. What now? It's SOOOO crazy that I've had this experience and I'm making dinner and tending to kids again like everything hasn't exploded into everything. Anyone else experience this type of delay? I"m curious why. Thanks!

The TV screen is akin to the Existence or Reality as it is, which is Perfect, but we as Humans have Free Will to determine and explore Potential and Experience, and the playing field (TV) is set up perfectly for us to play this game, so its a Game. Suffering it or Realizing its Truth and Potential of Perfection (Bliss) makes all the difference.. You can look at the TV turned off, or watch your favorite Movie or TV show, that makes all the difference, so its in that difference that makes Life as it is here for us to play the game of it, all Potentials are being exposed and explored so Life/Absolute can Experience itself, that makes all the difference...

Anything You ingest does not really produce the effect You feel, it rather just brings forth the Potential that is always within Us, nothing ingested can make you feel something that is not already possible to feel, you can't feel something impossible to feel... Its like when I was training and teaching in Martial Arts for 30yrs, I came to the Realization that the training at whatever art that is practiced is not really teaching You anything, it is just making You realize a certain Potential within You. There are 1000 ways to throw a punch, that are somewhat unique to one another, you learn a particular way of doing it (via certain body structures and body mechanics) then that potential is exposed within You, and express by You, that is the same with smoking weed, snorting a line of coke, or taking a hit of 5meodmt, when it comes within the boundary of Your Body, where all Experience happens, then it bring about a Certain Potential Experience that was already there but waiting to be exposed.. Now the key is if that Potential is always there, can I expose it naturally via my own Free Will? Yes of course, You can manifest any Experience You want under Your own free Will, just work at it, and then decided do I want a 5meo experience right now or a normal waking state experience right now, or Bliss/Depression Experience right now...

Anything You ingest does not really produce the effect You feel, it rather just brings forth the Potential that is always within Us, nothing ingested can make you feel something that is not already possible to feel, you can't feel something impossible to feel... Its like when I was training and teaching in Martial Arts for 30yrs, I came to the Realization that the training at whatever art that is practiced is not really teaching You anything, it is just making You realize a certain Potential within You. There are 1000 ways to throw a punch, that are somewhat unique to one another, you learn a particular way of doing it (via certain body structures and body mechanics) then that potential is exposed within You, and express by You, that is the same with smoking weed, snorting a line of coke, or taking a hit of 5meodmt, when it comes within the boundary of Your Body, where all Experience happens, then it bring about a Certain Potential Experience that was already there but waiting to be exposed.. Now the key is if that Potential is always there, can I expose it naturally via my own Free Will? Yes of course, You can manifest any Experience You want under Your own free Will, just work at it, and then decided do I want a 5meo experience right now or a normal waking state experience right now, or Bliss/Depression Experience right now...

That raises the question: who, really, is one’s audience? The psyche is structured around what Lacan calls the Big Other, an imaginary audience that functions as a projective surface for our desire to be recognized. Writing to an “audience,” then, is never about addressing a concrete entity - it’s about orienting oneself toward a horizon of recognition, a gaze that shapes the psyche and directs one’s intentions. This is precisely what Nietzsche invokes when he declares, “some men are born posthumously.” In doing so, he conjures an à-venir audience - a future, yet-to-come Other who will recognize him as a prophet. This act is not passive; it is an act of will, a kind of Landian hyperstition, where the mere assertion of this deferred audience creates the conditions for its eventual existence. Nietzsche’s psyche, therefore, is structured around becoming, as eternal striving toward a future beyond the limits of the present. Contrast this with Donald Trump, for whom the deferred audience has been entirely supplanted by the hyper-present gaze of the media spectacle. For Trump, recognition is no longer an unfolding or a process; it is a constant demand for immediate feedback, an endless loop of instant gratification. This collapses any sense of duration or becoming into the nihilistic flatland of postmodernity - a world without depth, where the present moment reigns supreme, and the Big Other is reduced to the flicker of a screen. In Trump, the future dies of diabetic shock, succumbing to the infantile bliss of perpetual nourishment. In Nietzsche, we find the ecstasy of becoming and the insatiable thirst for annihilation. Which world would you rather inhabit? (and please don’t tell me it’s „the golden mean,“ or some such bullshit).

That suffering is also love. That hate we feel for anything is also love, that sorrow, sadness, envy, hostility, dislikes, malicious intents etcetc, also love. Love, on an existential level, is everything. Joy, bliss and happiness are finite versions of love. Conditional. Everything is unconditional love. Even if you said you hated the world, that's still love. You've described the human's version of love. I can feel the love in someone's heart when they're hating, being malicious, envious and all those negative emotions. That's coming from a mental disorder. The heart always loves and it's the conditional programming, veils, separation and ignorance that causes these negative emotions to arise. The heart stays intact and is always exuding the love that we are. What I've described is true freedom - and more. It's freedom to do and be whatever it wants. That's freedom. Humans don't really want freedom. We just think we do. Freedom is already the case. We can't see it because we're conditional with our love. Airy fairy love like you've described.

Nobody can tell you that You are in love. Only, You can know you are in love. Joy, bliss, freedom and love. These 4 compounds never leave each other, always together. I am in love, you can be too. Forget about being right or wrong, your worries, thoughts, just stay in this very moment, breath, calm down and look at around. Don't you see and feel that all is love in this very moment? It is impossible and inevitable not to feel... Life, what a chance, what a beauty, you are so lucky to read these sentences, share the love, feel the love and be the love. Thank you very much my friend, I love you, I love you. If I die, thank you for thinking about me, for these conversations, arguments. Thank you. Your very close friend James. I love you. Hit me up if you need freely any help. All is free, we are here for to help each other, we are here for each other. I love you.

@LfcCharlie4 hi . Thanks for resurrecting this thread 😁. Now that I've given it second thought you could say the point is creating whatever you want to create . No restrictions whatsoever. With baring in mind that you will reap what you sow ..so you are absolutely free to be like Hitler or Stalin but that doesn't mean there won't be consequences to your actions. These days I'm just sitting in silence doing nothing .just existing .just being .rather than doing . What are you gonna do anyways? You are eternal..there is no death that can annihilate you..so then imagine if you awakened to the fact that you are god and that you are eternal...really and this is a sincere question: what the heck are you gonna waste your eternal existence with? Joy and bliss ? That is nice but without misery and suffering there won't be any meaning to happiness. Which is exactly why this world is NOT perfect and there is a shit ton of suffering and evil and wars going on ..because God metaphorically speaking has gotten sick and tired of infinite bliss and decided to spice things up with a lil bit of drama if you will . Now That I think about it .the only point to life is life itself. Being .pure existing .basking in awareness. "Being interested In the experience of being aware " as Rupert Spira puts it .because there is literally nothing to do and nowhere to go after you've done it all . Just my thoughts Much Love brother 🙏

So, I just realized I haven't really spoken at all about my spiritual journey since my post more than 3 years ago, where I talked about my transition from Coral (Indigo) to Teal (Violet), my experiences and the shifts it had on me as a person. There is a good reason why I haven't talked at all about my spiritual journey since then, and that's because around this time is when I ended my spiritual journey. I considered myself done, and I was satisfied with where I was. Then about one year following that, another major shift happened in my subconscious, a silent, hyper-focused efficiency in all pursuits and a deeply rooted grounded-ness and peace with all that is. It's surprisingly a lot more difficult to talk about Ultraviolet from the point of Clear Light as it is about as different as any first tier stage would be from Ultraviolet. There are almost no commonalities between the two, and I'm having a hard time relating to this point in time despite not even having spent two weeks since I began transitioning to fourth tier consciousness. So, to get to the meat of it all. What and how did this come to be? Well, you see, I met this girl in school, and through her presence experienced selfless love for the first time in my life. This however was not the reason this change could take place, it was the intense emotional highs and lows that resulted from our relationship, resulting in both more pain and more happiness than I had ever experienced before in my life. This emotional rollercoaster eventually led me to face and unknowingly discard the last remaining parts of my ego. What followed was that I had unknowingly started to integrate the selfless love I felt for her, shaping my very being, allowing me to produce these feelings within and by myself. I didn't know it until it dawned on me a week later, but I had just started tapping into clear light. Looking back, that much is clear. Barriers related to feeling exhausted, physical and mental tiredness, limitations in focus all simply disappeared. While I can obviously still get physically tired like if I don't get enough sleep, since this point in time I've been immune to physical and mental tiredness in every other sense of the word. Even back in Ultraviolet, I would've never believed something like this to be possible for anyone, period. It feels like a transcendence of introversion and extroversion in many regards, as energy is no longer derived from socializing with groups of people or being by myself, but simply through being, resulting in limitless storages of energy throughout every moment of every day. This has been my reality for the past 12 days, and I've tried to test it by pushing myself to an extent that would have completely broken my past self. One such test was to study an extremely technical subject I'm working on, but for 15 hours straight, where 5 minutes of rest follows after 90 minutes of deep focus work until 15 hours have passed. I expected this to completely break me mentally, however it didn't. My focus didn't waver one bit throughout the day and I got more progress done than in the last week and a half put together. Ongoing list of immediate changes and insights from clear light when compared to any prior stages: Introversion and extroversion transcended. Energy flows freely, infinitely at every moment of every day with no effort needed to maintain it. Any and all past barriers and imagined limitations disappear completely. What's left is to witness the endless possibilities of it all, and to casually sail the waves of time. The capacity for deep uninterrupted work is supercharged to what would previously seem like an impossible degree. Sitting uninterrupted with something for x number of hours, be it 12 hours or 20 hours straight makes no difference. It's as effortless during the first hour as it is during the last. The beingness that happens at this stage makes past limitations, self-imposed or otherwise vanish as if they were never there to begin with. Physical capacity is greatly enhanced and too feels effortless when compared to what could be achieved before and what back then would have pushed the body to the breaking point now becomes an effortless dance between mind and matter. An outlook on what is with a profound sense of childlike wonder. Everything becomes magical and interesting, as if opening ones eyes for the first time. Extremely high levels of compassion, warmth and care for everything and everyone around me. Moodiness transcended. Permanent sense of bliss, wonder and unbound potential. Complete disconnect between past and present. No reference points to look back on, even from prior stages like Ultraviolet. There can't be any "after" as all limitations and dualities break apart at this point. It's very appropriately set as the final stage, as there can't be any after, when there is nothing more left for there to be an "after" of. I will probably keep adding to this post as I experience more, and I will date my updates accordingly. I've only "been" at what I perceive to be clear light for 5 days now (while the transition lasted 7 days), and which most definitely has to be a 4th tier stage due to how radically different it is from any prior stage or tier. It's been difficult for me to post about this sooner, as I've been having great difficulty grounding myself in reality following this realization. My body has very much been lagging behind so to say, but it's getting better by the day. 2024-11-21 16:58 GMT More about me. While I've been "on the path" very actively for the better part of 11 years, I've never taken psychedelics, so I've never gotten to experience glimpses of higher states of consciousness, only to drop down again right afterwards. Every time my consciousness has shifted, that new stage has quickly become the new baseline.

I want to remind people that fear is pretty much the main "barrier" when it comes to the expansion of consciousness. Any negative definition you have of Enlightenment isn't a definition of Enlightenment. Any negative definition you have of a more expanded state of consciousness, isn't a definition of a more expanded state of consciousness. Negative energy is constrictive, positive energy is expansive. Sometimes people can associate the high negative fear based states that happen in the process of expanding, as the expansion, it's part of the expansion but it isn't the end result. The expansion will usually bring out the negativity/fear within you because that is what prevents the expansion of your consciousness. Once you let go of the fear/negativity that the expansion revealed, you will experience the benefits and ecstasies of that expansion. Psychedelics can bring you into states of insanity by expanding your consciousness way too rapidly than you were in a sense prepared to face and thus can bring out immense fear. Once you let go of the negativity/fear you will experience that expansion of consciousness positively, with ecstasy, and the other aspects of your true nature such as joy, love, bliss, passion, etc. You don't necessarily need the psychedelics to bring out your fears/negativity but it's a good tool you can use, just be very careful. I don't recommend starting out with psychedelics, I recommend gaining a good understanding on how to let go of fear and making yourself very stable before you consider potent psychedelics.

@Breakingthewall The absolute level is eternal, even if you aren't conscious of it it's still ever present. It's a matter of how conscious you are of any particular aspect of consciousness. I'm suggesting you can become more conscious of any absolute level of consciousness as well as any relative level. Everything already exits now, but you can allow yourself to experience more of what exists with no limit. Enlightenment from my perspective is becoming conscious of and experiencing many of the absolute and relative aspects of consciousness, usually Enlightenment is focusing on the aspects of your true nature, joy, love, bliss, passion, excitement, ecstasy, omniscience, various aspects of non-duality etc. but there is no limit on how high you can go. So it is absolute, unchanging, and eternal, however, you can become more and more conscious of it. And thus, there are higher levels of consciousness forever. Any aspect of consciousness you can imagine, the absolute or relative, you can progress in that direction forever, including when it comes to Enlightenment, God, Infinity, etc.

@Leo Gura Ok , so here is the information. I questioned myself earlier -What are all the ways I am wrong ? I wrote all these in my diary. - That everyone is happy except me -Those who are in a relationship are in a state of bliss - That I cannot overcome adversity in the future -That being present has no practical application -That more effort produces better outcomes -That I am not fooling myself -That I am completely honest -That no improvement is possible in the present condition So these are the things that I came up with when I contemplated the above question . And finally I want to ask you about the power of Intention in improving anything in life ?

@Ishanga @creativepursuit I didn´t know about the casual body but apparently is the same as the Bliss body or 5 sheath

Yes true, its less likely to to bad actions when one is in Bliss, when Your happy then everything looks brighter, purer, and more real, the opposite is true when Your suffering, so to be highly Conscious means Your more intouch with Truth and Reality, and hence more Blissful..

In how I understand things, there is no such a thing as 'forever'. People usually assume this Reality is all there is, but only because we haven´t seen more Realities that does not mean they haven´t exist in the past or that they won't exist. But is true there are rules in this Reality, there is an end to 'this one', this particular dream is happening on Planet earth, and so on. If you ask me, I personally would love to stay in the anandamaya kosha for a long time before dissolving completely. In the Bliss body there is still a very subtle sense of existing, even if there is no body or mind anymore, there is still is very light sense of existing, so is not completely death. So I can imagine after a lot of time staying there the Consciousness would completely let go from that too and then what I call 'going back completely home' would happen. From that, I honestly have no idea. Since time does not exist there I guess it doesn't matter if 8 o 8000 thousands years or a million years pass. At one point probably something new would happen (or not?). I would never say forever. I only am focused on this one existence or dream. There is a finish line for this one. Of course the relative you does not reincarnate. That is gone but that Is the illusion I think we agree on that. Because is not another experience. Is the same. You just change clothing. The reality is behind all experiences but the Reality has volition or tendencies to maintain a certain experience, right? Why you still have a body? Clearly something is going on there, there is a preference in You (the Reality) to maintain a certain configuration if not you would suddenly would become 'everything'. Yet you are not being Barack Obama now, don´t you? There is a difference in mentally knowing that you are behind all experiences and LITERALLY being behind all experiences. To literally being behind all experiences you 100% need to lose the body and absolutely everything that you consider 'you' that is limited. There is no other way. Clearly you as Reality are now being in a certain way, regardless what intellectually you tell yourself.

the causal body has stored karma in it, that encapsulates the bliss body and so called Soul or Atman (you allotted Life aspect within You), this is all that goes with You, so its an evolutionary process. Why this is the way it is I do not Know nor have I heard or read of any explanation, I only guess that Absolute contains all Potential and Possibility, via an Aspect of Oneness/Completeness, so therefore we have to exist somewhere, duality has to exist somewhere, Consciousness has to exist and be experienced/expressed somewhere, I think that somewhere is here...so we play out this game of duality, karma, Consciousness, Free Will, Embodiment, etc so Absolute can experience itself, as well its an expression of a certain Potential in Existence..

@Shane Hanlon Your post implies you’re making a pretty big distinction between transcendence and integration. You can’t transcend without integrating, I see the two as being almost synonymous. You said there is more to integration than just letting go of fear. You were talking about including so I was explaining integration from the context of letting go of the vibration of separation. If there is no illusion of separation then you are all inclusive within yourself and reality as a whole. If you are talking about integration from the perspective of becoming more in alignment with the energies of your true nature; joy, love, bliss, passion, ecstasy, etc. then yes, of course there’s more to it than just letting go of fear. You made it seem like you were speaking about integration from the context of it being something separate from other aspects of the spiritual process because you contrasted it with transcendence, god, and enlightenment.

You are consciousness. If you need an anchor point to understand consciousness, just bring yourself back to the understanding that I am consciousness. Consciousness and experience is the same thing. If you weren’t conscious there would be no experience. Consciousness itself is fundamental, it’s just that there are more expanded states of consciousness and less expanded states of consciousness. Joy, love, bliss, passion, excitement, ecstasy, and other positive states are expansive states. In expanded states you are more receptive to gaining higher level and more holistic understandings of life, which can lead to profound benefits. Perception is pretty much just another way of saying consciousness. People use these kinds of words to describe different things. Using different words might allow someone to better explain certain aspects of consciousness.

This is relatively easy to answer, but before I do that, realize we are using language and logic to discuss topics that are not logical or conceptual or make much sense, as soon as I describe it then it become that which it is not, so its a paradox in a way when using language and logic as we are doing here to talking about anti logical aspects of reality.. Where am I? I am Absolute, Absolute is everything,but I am just a bubble of Absolute in Embodied Individualized form, like an Ocean Drop, it came from the Ocean but now it is just a drop of it, but its a Hologram of the Ocean, its the same thing, but only a drop of it, in India they call this (what I/You/all of Us) Atman, or Soul, but not the same meaning as what most ppl think of the word Soul, there are no "Individual Souls", there is just One Big Soul, we just have a drop of it, Embodied within Us, its non physical of course, You can't find it in Your Body.. There are 5 sheaths covering this "Soul" that makes up basically what We all are, Human Beings, Food Sheath, Mental Sheath, Energy Sheath, Astral Sheath, Bliss Sheath, Karma is the Glue that binds it all together. We are none of this, we are the Soul, which is Absolute but its Individualized.. I think this happens so Absolute can Experience itself in Trillions of ways, its an Expression of the Potential and Possibility that is the essence of what Absolute Is!

I did 30 minutes last night and 30 minutes this morning so I am behind 3 hours. Last night I felt bored out of my mind during meditation but this morning I was feeling good like I could keep going for a long time but it was time to get ready for work. This morning I didn't do much mantra meditation. I contemplated what truth was and why I thought my head existed separate from the sensations I have of it now. I felt into my physical sensations and emotions a lot. On Saturday I will see if I can catch up on the time I lost during the week. Hopefully it can be like the meditation I had this morning and I can just sit in bliss for 5-6 hours

@Carl-Richard Well I have to admit I did not really think about it much on a everyday level. Thx for making me reflect on it. There is definitely sth re the transfer of states. Contact high - yes, I experienced it to some degree on festivals or even in clubs with friends that consumed psychedelics. I just never experiences it that strong as with Shakipat. In short - I agree. Breakingthewall often talks about "openness" and I simply like that term. I did and still do integrate this more and more in my life. Indeed I was much more skeptical about - let's call it non-material phenomena - than I am now. But at the same time, I was open enough for Shaktipat to experience a profound effect on me even back then. I don't sense this state as you do. Body language, eyes, tone, breath does not give me this impression. I do see value in his points, though. Yeah..I just don't know. He just does not seem genuinely happy to me. He said in the other video that he does not want to be a teacher and in his seminar he gave that that exact impression of "I DO NOT WANT TO BE HERE, I DO NOT CARE, I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU AND IN GENERAL, THIS HERE SUCKS". Of course, that is my impression but similar impressions were also shared by other participants. On the one hand - yes. I understand and agree. On the other hand - then what is this big fuss about enlightenment about? As a result of my participating in this forum, I personally really start to dislike this cult about enlightenment as a state. So I am enlightened, but I am not warm re other people, I live in an unhealthy way, I still get sick, I am insecure, I still have to deal with everyday problems like everybody else - so what is this all about? So I can feel "bliss"? Honestly, I haven't met anyone that I would consider someone being in constant bliss. The most developed people I met were meditation teachers. But they did not seem to be "in constant bliss" - simply calm, empathic, healthy lifestyle and in peace with themselves, their role and their actions. Is this bliss? For me, it's not. Bliss for me is a little bit more. It's not only accepting but embracing ("loving") everything that is. A inner state that is there almost completely independent of matter what happens in the external world (I say almost, because death of loved ones or severe physical injury to me definitely would impact me even in this moments). I remember momentary states and periods in which I consider myself in "bliss". For example: No 1 - during and after long meditation retreats (10 days). No. 2: Psychedelics, e.g. Peyote and Ayahuasca, sometimes even weed. No 3. Falling in love with my partner. I remember these states, and I believe I can sense them quite well in other people, too. And I believe can sense when other people are not in this state as well. Haven't met anyone (yet) that has been in this "enlightened, blissfull state" over an extended period of time no matter what they say... And about enlightenment... Yes, 100 people in this forum probably use 101 different concepts of enlightenment, and yes there a phases and stages, and so on and so on. For me, 90% of these discussions amount to nothing but more mental masturbation. I heard, seen and read it enlightenment bla bla so many times from so many people while at the same time sensing their arrogance, their insecurities and their inauthenticity. Lot's of cheap talk about some mystic state, some strange ideas and propaganda from self-proclaimed gurus and their sheep-like followers who regurgitate the same meaningless phrases and concepts. Meaningless, because talk alone is cheap. What I propose instead? Let's not talk about "enlightenment", let's talk about action. Let's not talk about some abstract conceptualized states, but concrete, subjective experiences and in particular actions. I like the quote "Strictly speaking, there are no enlightenment people, there is only enlightened action" (from Inner Worlds, outer Worlds I believe). Let's assume you are "enlightened" - so then what? Life will put you - if you want it or not - into situations where you have to make decisions and take actions. Let's say "enlightened action" is actions aligned with the Dao / Dharma whatever that may be in this situation. You take "enlightened" actions, you get into this state while executing this action. You don't take "enlightened" actions - you loose that state. But the "state" IS the action, the action is the state. I don't think there is a state independent from your actions. You don't reach enlightenment and then "puff" you stay in this. No - instead your actions determine your state and not vice versa BS like "I am enlightened, I understand, I am in bliss, etc etc." and then you simply remain in this. So what matters in the end is what you do and nothing else. Sorry, but fuck your alleged enlightenment, your alleged state or your alleged bliss. I can't see that, I can't relate to that, only things that matters to me is what you do and how you do it. Don't talk, show it to me with your behavior, show me with your whole being. For me, the whole thing about "enlightenment" is similar to the idea of "Chitta" in the Yoga Sutra. We cannot directly observe it, but we can observe the actions of it. Let's focus on actions with "enlightenment", too.

Yes agreed, pain levels and such are relative and what makes ppl gain pleasure is different, but real Happiness is different from this, natural Happiness is just natural, its more intense and lasting... We all feel these things, that is not different, all ppl experience happiness, sadness, anger, joy, excitement and tons of other sorts of emotions and feelings, Bliss is not this either, its more deep and centered and just a Realization.. Someone torturing another is and getting off on it is not happiness, plus its deranged, we are not talking about the deranged but normal, avg everyday ppl that populate and make up the majority, not the extremes of everything. Ppl going thru ups and downs emotionally are not living life, Joy and bliss are the foundation for more of life to come into their experience, its not the goal but the path that allows more Potential to open up within them... I've had ups and downs, and I've seen tons of ppl that live this way, it sucks imo...

I was watching some NDE video's recently, most all the ppl say they did not want to come back from what/where ever they were or what was happening in their Experience.. One guy with 4 kids whom he was very devoted too, said while he was having his NDE he didn't care about his 4 kids and wanted to stay in that experience of great Bliss, Love and Oneness... I think what happens here is all about Choice and Free Will combined with one's Consciousness/Awareness level, we are all capable of what the Great Sages/Mystics have Experienced, but we have Karma to deal with and Desire too, so in the end its up to each of Us to choose what to do and how to BE within themselves, this sets up the foundation for no more birth/death/rebirth cycles to continue and to get out of this place that is at times not so healthy or great!

Very interesting coincidence you mention Jan and Shaktipat. In late 2019 - I just had finished my first meditation retreat and came back from living and working 1year+ in India and Nepal - a friend told me about it. Jan was giving a two day seminar in London including Shakitpat. He said "seeing where you are right now, this might be the right thing for you". I was very skeptic, but also very curios. I trusted my friend, so I thought "why not give it a look"? I went there. I did not like Jan at all. He was super boring, pessimistic, defensive, depressed, moody, the complete opposite of being inspiring. I thought about leaving early but stayed for the Shaktipat transmission. Other participants said sth like "yeah he is like that but we are here for the Shaktipat". Well, it seems you have to take the good with the bad... After a while the participants - including me - were getting the Shaktipat. Shortly after, there was a lunch break and I went into a small cafe with another participant to eat. We talked about the Shakipat, asking ourselves if we feel something. We kind of felt something, we talked about it....and the next thing that got us out of our conversation was the waitress telling us that it's early evening and that the cafe now closes! How is that possible, we just sat down moments ago for lunch? We talked for hours and we did not notice that time passed. It was crazy. Be both could not really describe what exactly was going on. We felt different and the Shaktipat definitely did sth to us. We both felt the same. If I had to describe it, then I would say it was like being high on very clean, very sharp MDMA but without the visuals. A very functional state of consciousness, being "high" without really noticing being high. I completely forgot about this experience until now. Looking back at it now, I can take some conclusions from it: Either Shakitpat is real - or they were serving us psychedelics in the cafe Assuming the first, you can - at least temporarily - transfer states of consciousness from one person to the next one. How fucking crazy is that? I could not really contextualize this experience 5 years ago. Today it seems even more strange to me. Your guru, or teacher can be a really shitty person and still have something real about him. Indian philosophy is coined by the idea that your teacher must live the teaching, that he should embody the principles in daily life (see e.g.: Heinrich Zimmer: Philosophies of India). I personally experienced that the complete opposite can be true as well. What an irony that the video above is in the context of "positive" life interview (LOL) as Jan is the most depressing teacher I ever met re any spiritual teaching. But who knows, maybe he just had a bad phase... Shakipat alone does not really seem to change much in the long run. Many participants were already there for the second, third, fourth time. Can be a piece in the puzzle, but not more than that. Beyond the experience at the cafe I did not notice any changes in my state of consciousness or my life in general. Who knows, effects might be subconscious but I never felt like doing another Shakipat again. "Bliss" and Enlightenment" seem very arbitrary. In the video above, Jan says he feels bliss right now. I don't get the feeling he does. Same way he did not seem to be in bliss when I saw him. Admittedly, only once for two days many years ago. But my impression re this is very constant.

It's a breath of fresh air to see this attitude. What greater good is there than to care more about the peace and enlightenment of the whole? There is none. It's the ultimate life purpose. I care more that the world find peace than I find it. I'd give my life in service to that cause. This "it's all an illusion" talk can be transcended. Why do you think we're here? What will you do when you reach that high peak? Come back and chop wood carry water? Ah yes... you will finally be at peace at last. You will have fulfilled your curiosity and you will know how to remain calm. YOU will be nice and cozy chopping your wood. Peaceful people sit in ignorant bliss while the world withers. For the strong, the state of reality serves as fuel. The problem is it takes much development to care more about reality than oneself. Weakness pervades. Most so-called spiritual people care more about their own comfort than anything else and they'll use any story they can to preserve their cushiony homeostasis. The work begins by solving the problems of recruitment/mobilization, securing capital, and coordination. It can be done but there would need to be a leader to hold it all together. Where's @Leo Gura?