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  1. Proof is Impossible
    Proof is Impossible
    Yes.
    Because that's what a "human life" is. That's what birth is. How do you think you were born? You had to imagine that you are a baby human and then carry on with that line of imagination.
    Life is an act of supreme imagination. There is no life otherwise.
    Existence is an Absolute. Existence absolutely exists, always and forever. You are pure Existence.
    When enlightened masters tell you to find who you are, the true self, what they mean is to find that you are not a human but Existence itself.
    Enlightenment is the realization that you are Existence. That's what Zen is about.
    But God-Realization goes beyond even that (but also includes that).

  2. you need nothing
    How to face loneliness?
    Just be alone and enjoy it. Notice that nothing is wrong or missing.
    You literally need no one and nothing.
    There is a lot of culture programming you need to undo in order to realize you are just fine alone.
    You are not going to overcome it without spending weeks and months all alone doing nothing. That's what solo meditation retreats are for.
    Really Awakening is necessary because without Awakening you haven't conquered boredom. Awakening is about boredom killing the ego.
    Realistically it will requires spending years sitting alone. This is not a small task you accomplish in a few weekends.
    I can go months without talking to humans.

  3. Open heart into the abyss
    Realization of Absolute Sovereignty (Question of the Infinite Gods Episode)
    Sin? Impurity? Humans are impure? Quite christian. Forget that ACIM, reality is not that tale about the father, the son that is separated by a mistake and the saint spirit. This is just a tale. Reality is absolute brightness. Just see beyond the appearance. For that you have to forget all the histories, your mind must be empty, your heart open. All that religion closes your heart, and your mind. Don't you see? It's obvious. Forget everything and see the face of the abyss, and when the abyss is in front of your face, say yes, and open your heart to it, and be it. The totality, the absolute existence. You have to jump inside and say yes. Destroy me, desintegrate me. I give myself, let's be desintegrate in the infinity. It's quite.... scary. You will see. It's the absolute horror, the death. And you have to say from the depth of your heart: yes, kill me. It's not easy at all, usually we say: well, wait, yes but I still want to grab myself a bit. Some understanding, some control, some self. 

  4. Alien realms
    Ralston's Final Awakening?
    Surface Structure of Enlightenment: The interpretation and expression of Enlightenment (realizing ones True Being as Infinite Being/Totality/Nothingness appearing as Infinite Being, which is the end of believing and buying into the illusion-appearance of a separate-anything/self in any way) is dependend on the structure/body-mind. And that evolves and changes. And has an endless variety. (surface structure).
    Deep Structure of Enlightenment: A Being in non-physical subtle realms, beings containing a whole realm or a World Soul, or even an alien from another galaxy will have a different expression - and a much different appearance and understanding in its mind-stream/perspective than an enlightend human. Yet, if you ask them "What are you?" the answer is "Infinite Being/The Totality/all there is/Nothing and everything". And if you ask them if they suffer (or resists some parts of their nondual being/appearances), the answer is "no, in this nondual mind-state with the separate-self-contraction/illusion seen through and cut off there is no suffering or resistance of parts of ones own being, there is bliss of the nature of my True Nondual Being, the Infinite Totality itself". Sat Chit Ananda.
    So, "they" are are aware that they are the Infinite Totality beyond which nothing can exist/appear, and there is no separate anything/self left. And that is the crucial difference to part-time and incomplete Awakenings of a separate-self-illusion.
    Ralston has now opened up a stage humans can develop to, which by the way is nothing new. Just read Harri Aalto for example, and many of the past masters. Wolinsky writes about Alien Realms for example, Jac O'Keffee, Ziewe also, and what not. What were Alien realms/expressions of consciousness called in medieval times? Divine beings, archetypes, and many names. And the mystical literature is full of that, including merging and becoming them. 
    But giving too much importance to these new alien/divine islands of appearance (appearance, which they all are, since the "one" perceiving them is also structure-appearance), especially coming from an unenlightened being with separate-self well & alive & not fully transcended having awakening experiences ... well, suffering until wising up. Too much fascination with ones own tail or manifestation so to say. And that too much fascination prevents Enlightenment... because what is this fascination? An essential building block of the separate-self illusion.
    It is not that there is no room for alien islands of consciousness in Water by the Rivers perspective. It is just that no ultimate importance is given to them, because if that is the highest goal, only suffering will follow - as with every fascination on aspects of ones own being/tail that makes the separate-self grasp on certain experiences. The ocean is always right here, eternally so. If one is busy wave-surfing, one never drops into the Infinite Ocean fully, never truly becomes it on deep identity level (with all the benefits of persistant nondual states), and always stays the "wave-surfer". Yet, for some beings it seems to be their Raison d'être, so all its fine.
    Ignorance (or suffering separation and the absence of Sat Chit Ananda) is only a bad idea from the perspective of ignorance - Francis Lucille. For the Totality looking through all eyes its great fun!  Else it wouldn't happen.
    Selling little alien islands in "the" Infinite Ocean to eagerly fascinated seekers (while keeping n+1 or an infinity of them for future hypnotizing explorations)
     

  5. Pictures
    Perception. Why?
    try talking to a hat for a week and pretend it has human perceptions bring it with you and talk to it about the things you are seeing, and make up its answers . A human body is like a hat that makes sounds back. God is the seperation between the hat and the background. Whenever you seperate something from the background of reality you are giving is characteristics in neurons. If you see something you have never seen before you wouldnt know what to feel. God is your entire field and it uses its intelligence to form false outlines around things and the background. Everything is the background. Every outline is a perception you have pre built in your body thought experience. Bodies do not pick up the same sensations therefore a senstation of a thing is not the truth of the thing its just made up by you and your body. The second picture is the awareness of the entire screen with no context. It is awareness There are no people in the second image there are no objects its just one thing the awareness of being there no perception and it takes place on one dimension. 3rd image is you continueing on past reality you can see the red outline does not stop at the image it keeps going and you can zoom out from the light further and further till there is nothing there and you are a void of nothing and God is there which is just the red outline. You are making up perceptions because you are dreaming they are there. perceptions exist cause you are making them up. You have to look at your awareness like its a computer because your body is a computer.
     


     
     




  6. Cessation description and its always here.
    Question for Advanced Meditators: Cessation
    Very nice description. According to Ingram, Yang and Thisdell, enough of these will make the survival of any remaining separate-self-lenses quite challenging.
    That enormous "place" without time, space, anything at all, not even nothing, is always right here, right now. Eternally or timelessly so. It is not in time. 
    Daniel Brown commented that Nagarjuna & company (the guys who sparked the Nondual Revolution in Buddhism, from early Buddhism and its cessation as summum bonum towards Mahayanas True Nonduality, or always right here Enlightenment/liberation, even when the visual field arises) said that the Dissolution/cessation experience presupposes time. Before cessation, after cessation. And time is a construct. That vastness/Infinite Reality/"place, non-place" is always right here. "Before" and "after" cessation arises "in" It.
     
     

  7. about emptiness and cessation
    Question for Advanced Meditators: Cessation
    Emptiness is not to be understood as a noun but as an adjective of form. The purpose of insight into emptiness is not to reject form - it is to understand it's structure. It is to understand that it is fabricated by the source. Everything is a fabrication. And does not deny aliveness and fulness.

    When it comes to structure of reality Roger Thisdell describes it very well here: 
    And back to the topic of the thread - > Cessation/Nibanna is when all fabrication, all fixations of the mind cease to be and the pure Awareness/Void/Mind is reavealed and you can not say anything about it because there is ZERO information there. Zero fabrication. No space, no time, no self, no god, no infinity. Zero information. And yet the subtlest YOU is that. It's when the God's computer stops computing anything. When the dreams stops being dreamed. It is beyond god realization.

     

  8. No place for Self between sensations
    There is no space between sensations and sensory input for Self to exist.
    Each sight is self-luminous and sees itself.
    Each sound is self-luminous and hears itself.
    Every sensory input is effortlessly experienced on it's own without any witnesser or experiencer.
    Each part of this luminous sensation Soup.
    There is no distance and space in this soup of sensations for the Self to exist.
    Self-feeling is just another cluster of sensations withing the soup.
    Emotions and thoughts are also just another group of sensations within this sensory field.
    Everything happening perfectly on its own. There is only this Unfolding of this sensory soup. 
    See this. Realize this and see how when you uninstall the group of sensations of Selfing from this mix - the Soup becomes much more tasty. Sweet and light and effortless.
    Much love 

  9. Totally hopeless
    A Message To Anyone Losing Hope/Invitation
    @Breakingthewall
    Truly and thoroughly losing every shred of hope can be the best thing that ever happens to you. It's the falling away of all false idols, until nothing but pure reality remains.
    The trick is to not hold on to your hopelessness and form another (victim) identity out of it. The hopelessness has to be so absolutely thorough and complete that even your melodramatic & perversely comforting "it's all hopeless" narrative becomes utterly untenable. When taken to its utmost limit, hopelessness will eventually collapse in on itself. As soon as you reach that magical breaking point where the tragedy of the situation finally becomes so over-the-top absurd that it turns into a grotesque comedy, your human despair will transform into divine laughter... and then you're free.

  10. Cat exists as a concept and doesnt go anywhere
    OH MY GOD This is it!!
    Lol, it doesn't sound like you really read what I wrote. So, one more time:
    Did the concept of your cat exist when you wrote that bit about your cat? Obviously yes, otherwise you wouldn't have written about it. So "your cat" didn't/doesn't go anywhere; it is nothing but a concept, existing in the present moment. And that concept never goes anywhere, because the only place that exists is THIS; there is no other place where it could dissappear to.
    Make sense?

  11. Nothing else to do - only seeing This deepe
    OH MY GOD This is it!!
    Exactly, reality is, and that's it. There is nothing to know, know is an illusion, it's impossible. Reality is, always, I am, there is no place to go, it's here and now. It's alive, deep, is moving, creating existence. I just can try to see more clear, deeper, clean. Nothing else to do

  12. Nothing to do - somonehere posted
    The Cosmic Joke
    @Princess Arabia good .you are getting somewhere . Or perhaps nowhere i don't either care lol.
    But here's a full script of a Satsang by Guru Robert Adams called "its all a cosmos joke ".
    It's lengthy.  But so funny and insightful and liberating.  Give it a read when you have time . God bless you 🙏
    the script below:
     
    "There is no certain purpose for you being alive. Think about it. There is no special or real purpose for your being alive. Why are you here anyways?. What did man do on this earth? What did mankind achieve even with all it's sages and saints? Civilizations are coming and going. And where are we now? We think we are important. Who do we think we are?. We get born. We experience a lot of stuff. We work. We gather a lot of money.. Maybe. And then we get old and die. So what is the real purpose of all this? There is no one. We are nothing. You have no reason to exist. As a matter of fact.. You don't exist. You never really existed. It's all a cosmic joke. There isn't a real aim behind you being alive and being here. This may sound like an insult.. It is!. But it is the truth. And the truth hurts. 
     it is the truth and the truth hurts.
    You may think you are important.. that you have come to earth
    to accomplish great deed..or to get enlightened. That is not true.
    The enlightenment is already here and it doesn’t need you.
    You are not wanted by anything or by anybody. 
    You are a complete failure. 
    In truth you do not exist.
    The illusion of your existence makes you think that
    you are important.. that you are somebody.
    That is why we talk about being nobody so much.. there is no body.
    Yet, no matter how often I say this.. you appear to be real.
    You appear to have a body. You appear to go to work.
    You appear to eat and sleep.. and
    believe the illusion is going to continue.
    But as you know, soon you will be six feet under.
    So what good are you? This is why it is important to wake up.
    Yet, you are never asleep! So who wakes up?
    Therefore, nothing is important.
    You think some things are important.
    So long as you think them important.. you give them power,
    increasing the power of living in things... 
    making you feel more and more–so called–alive.
    The beginning of wisdom is understanding that there is no wisdom.
    There is no body to have wisdom.
    The more you try to analyze things.. 
    the more you use your brain to function on this plane of existence.. 
    the more you put into Maya, into nothing.. into illusion.. 
    the more that effort is inevitably doomed to failure.
    All your dreams and aspirations come to nothing.
    There is nothing you have to become or be.
    Think of all the people looking for liberation.. for enlightenment.
    Who wants to be liberated? The ego.
    There is no ego. (Laughter)
    There is no one to be liberated.
    Yet you continue to believe you exist.
    Awakening is a joke. Liberation is a joke.
    My sitting here talking to you is a joke.
    There is nothing to be found, nothing to be achieved,
    nothing to become.
    You are attached to your mind and its false beliefs.
    So why are you here? You want a teaching. You want a lesson. You want a mantra. You’re
    looking for a way out. All this keeps you back. Your searching.. your seeking keeps you back. It
    doesn’t make you fulfilled. It doesn’t do anything for you. Awakening is a joke. Liberation is a
    joke. My sitting here talking to you is a joke, for you think you have to find something, you think
    you have to achieve something, you thing you have to become something. This is what the scrip-
    tures mean by attachment. You’re attached to your mind, and its false beliefs. The so-called mind
    tells you that something is this way and something is that way, this is good and this is bad, this is
    right and this is wrong, and you react to it, bringing more problems into your so called existence.
    But, wouldn't it be beautiful if you could just awaken one morning and realize you don’t exist,
    that you never existed, and no one exists, there’s no existence whatsoever? Then where would
    you be? Who knows? But as long as you believe that you exist, you’re going to stick up for your
    rights, you’re going to fight for survival, you’re going to seek wisdom. It is all very funny to me.
    Even when I tell you to wake up, there’s really no one to wake up, for no one’s ever gone to
    sleep. To wake up you have to be asleep. Who sleeps? You may say, "The body, the mind sleeps,
    “ but there is no body, there is no mind. There never was. All the teachings you’ve been through
    are a waste of time, the struggling, running all over the world looking for masters and teachers,
    reading all these scriptures in detail, to what avail? Why do you think you need these things?
    All you really have to do is understand what I am talking about. Ponder what I say. And then
    forget it. Do not hold on to thoughts, to words, to messages.
    The reason the bird sings beautifully, and exists so beautifully, is because it doesn't know it’s
    a bird. It doesn’t know it’s anything. It has no idea what it is. We give it a name, “bird.” We
    could have given it the name “cow.” We call a bird a bird and we call a cow a cow. We give
    names to all these things, but these things just are. They aren’t here, they aren’t there. They
    aren’t good,they aren’t bad. They just are. And the same with you. You are not this and you are
    not that.. you just are. There is nothing you have to do, absolutely nothing you have to do.
    Think of all the years you’ve spent studying. Where’s it all going to lead? What will become
    of it? You may have altruistic attitudes.. believe that you’re doing good for the world, for the future of the world. but this world has no future. It never did, it never will. As I mentioned in the
    beginning, we have had millions of civilizations on this earth, they’ve come and they’ve gone.
    Civilization has surpassed where we are now. It’s all gone.
    What I’m trying to say is you can’t do any good for anybody. Everything is right just the way
    it is. Nothing in this world needs improvement. The improvement idea comes in to your own
    mind. You believe you are a person, you believe you think, then the ideas come to you, what you
    can do to improve the world, and you try, and you try, and you try, to no avail.
    You must know yourself as no thing. Do not look at yourself as something.
    Always bear in mind, there is absolutely nothing you have to do. This is how you become
    happy, peaceful, joyous, for when there is nothing in the mind, happiness itself becomes preva-
    lent.
    Awaken from this mortal dream. When I say this ask yourself, “Who has to awaken? Who is
    there who has to awaken?” The way to make progress… there isn’t any progress to be made.
    This will contradict everything I’ve said.
    Again, when I say, “Wake up,” ask yourself, “Who is there to wake up?” When I say “Drop
    everything, inquire, “Who’s to drop everything?” In other words, what you’re doing is you’re
    saying there’s never was anybody or anything that has to wake up or to drop. Nothing like that
    exists. There’s no one who exists like that.
    Can you see now why there is nothing to say, really? Can you see all the words are redundant,
    superfluous? We can play all sorts of games if we want to, do all sorts of mantras, Tantric tech-
    niques. We can do all of these things, but for what, to what avail?
    You just have to know that you are nobody, there’s absolutely nothing to do, and no one ex-
    ists. This relieves you of everything, doesn’t it? It relieves you of all responsibility to yourself
    and to the world.
    Again, what I’m telling you will not turn you into a vegetable, where you just sit on a log and
    contemplate your navel. If you're listening to me correctly, you will do whatever you're doing
    now but you'll be happier than you've ever been in your life, because you'll realize that it doesn't
    matter. You'll know there's nobody really doing anything. You will be doing the work that you
    usually do, if you want to do that. You will appear to be living a human existence, but you will
    know there's nobody left to do anything. The doer is gone. There’s no doer. The doer has been
    completely wiped out.
    Some of you still believe that if you become this way you'll become so sarcastic and belliger-
    ent, you will not care, you will not be loving and kind, but this is not true. On the contrary, as
    you drop everything, as you let go of all your preconceived ideas, your dogmas, as you forget all of your rituals and all the things you've been doing all your life, what we call love begins to
    function as you. What we call compassion begins to function as you. Loving kindness, peace,
    these attributes will automatically take over, for you have lost all fear.
    When you have lost all fear for existence, love automatically takes over. But as long as you
    fear existence and you think something's wrong somewhere, then the mind blows up all kinds of
    pictures, and you have to go out and defend yourself and do things, for your own self-
    aggrandizement.
    Never put goat’s milk in a wooden pot."

  13. Nature of paradox
    Spiritual Paradoxes Are Made Up.
    Like @Osaid said in another thread: Paradox arises when logic reaches its limit (the brick wall, as you call it). The mechanics of logic are the mechanics of conceptual separation: You make "sense" of the world by mentally cutting it up into pieces and putting these pieces into relation (=> relative truth). And this whole principle collapses once you try to approach absolute truth. You simply cannot express the absolute in relative (logical) terms; and whenever you try, so-called paradox will be the unavoidable outcome.
    And it's not that logic cannot grasp the Absolute because the Absolute is too lofty or complex... on the contrary: Absolute truth is much too basic and simple for your logical mind to grasp it. That's why there is this tendency to invent endlessly complex and colorful stories around it; without those stories, your conceptual monkey mind wouldn't have anything that it could sink its greedy teeth into and would consequently starve to death, which would mean that you (or rather consciousness) would be forced to face naked reality as it is. Which is exactly what your ego tries to avoid at all possible costs.
    But of course, all of this is just my logical explanation.

  14. No learning
    Is Consciousness Getting To Know Itself
    This beautiful radiant lucid hologram/Wholeness is literally appearing and disappearing every nano-second.
    Reality/God/You die with every frame. And then are reborn instantenously. So it's a superposition of being alive and dead. So in a way nothing really happens. There is no process. No learning, just a beautiful concerto being played out. And all your thoughts and sense of being separate are just part of that concerto played by infinite inteligence.

  15. How to trip/open on 5-MEO - Breaking the wall
    5-MeO-DMT First Trip, Report
    For me, the 5meo point is something really intimidating and I have to do it again one of these days but I'm procrastinating a lot. It is the total rupture. It's something that doesn't always happen, there are times when you simply can't, even if you vape a lot.
    The thing is to disintegrate, to stop existing as you completely. There is not a trace of you left, only an infinite hole remains. This can be terrifying on a very high level, and absolutely wonderful. It's terrifying when reality is an empty infinite hole, and it's wonderful when you take one more step and the total void is you. zero structure, absolute being. Nothing else is sought with 5meo dmt, or at least I don't. What does this experience mean? nothing at all, it has no meaning. you have opened yourself to the formless. Because It is the beginning of letting go, of surrendering to reality and living in openness continuously.

  16. Mental is a condom between you and God
    Need guidance in what I'm experiencing.
    This is a dream. This is reality. This is illusion. This is truth. This is God. This is consciousness. This is life. This is hell. This is heaven. 
     
    At the end of the day, this is simply this. Any further view layered upon this is something you are fabricating. When THIS has to be described or equated to a concept, folly has already occurred. When you add layers of meaning, it is like adding a condom between you and This/God/whatever other name you want. Regardless, there’s nothing wrong with playing these mind games with yourself. 

  17. No people just shapes and colors
    If there is no perception what do I do with all this me stuff
    There is no difference between a lamp and a human body. Both are just images on a screen.
    There are no "people". There are just some shapes which you say is a person. You might as well call a snowman a person.
    Try looking at the world as if humans and animals never existed. But all shapes and colors are still the same as before. Just remove the humanness from it all.
    Imagine instead that you are the cosmos looking at itself.
    When you see a lamp, imagine that you are not looking at the lamp but that the lamp is seeing itself.
    The room you think you're in is actually self-seeing. Every object sees itself. And the net result is that it looks like this room "you see". You are the only thing which isn't real in the room.
    You are not in the room! There is just a room with objects in it like chairs and bodies.

  18. Many great points by Osaid
    I was happier as a kid
    When you have a dream, is there is a dreamer which is inside the dream?
    Is it possible for there to be attention without an object or experience to pay attention to? Why does it seem that attention and the object of attention are always enmeshed? Maybe there is no difference between the object and observer? If there is no difference between the object and observer, then is there any space left over for a "self", or even a sense of it?
    To a degree. I did a lot of self-inquiry which incrementally changed my perception of things. It ultimately led up to a singular "drop."
    There is a psychosomatic relationship created using your imagination.

    You are using your imagination to create desires within yourself which you then act out. The problem is that the desire is based on an imaginary self. 

    As an example, if you imagine yourself in an undesirable future scenario, you genuinely believe you are experiencing that future scenario from that present moment, and so it creates a desire to avoid the literal imagination of that future scenario, which creates real physical biological symptoms in the present moment such as a racing heartbeat, high cortisol, etc. In other words, it creates the emotions which would transpire if that imagination really happened to you. You now have a desire to change your physical environment so that you can stop imagining the scenario which you imagine yourself inside of. For example, if you were stressed about going to work, calling in sick would cause you to stop imagining yourself at work and thus it would alleviate the stress and anxiety caused by that imagination. This psychosomatic connection can be severed by realizing that there is no entity called "you" which can be at risk of that future scenario in the first place.
    There is obviously the qualia and different phenomenon happening in your experience, that much is true, and perhaps that is what you mean by "seeming to be here."

    The imagined part is the entity which you imagine to observe that phenomenon/experience. There is no middleman which has to observe experience, because which part of experience would that entity be made out of?
    To be as accurate as possible, you believe that your imagination is representing real objects of experience, which is to say, you believe your imagination represents something beyond your imagination. You have turned yourself into an "object" inside of your imagination which you believe actually represents you. You use your ability to imagine yourself in order to place yourself inside of various forms of imagination about the past and future, so you have turned yourself into an entity/object which exists inside of those imagined scenarios which you must protect and look after.

    Similar to how when you look at the ingredient label of a food product, you have to imagine that those ingredients exist inside of the product. You are using your imagination to symbolize the existence of the ingredients inside of the food product, that is how you know the ingredients that the food is made of. So, the imagination serves to represent something in your experience, which would be the ingredients inside the food. You are doing this exact same thing to your "self", you are imagining yourself as if you are a real object of experience, but that imagination actually symbolizes and represents absolutely nothing in your experience. There is no part of experience which that imagination of yourself represents, it is purely self-serving. Once you stop imagining, then the self stops appearing too, the imagination is self-contained, and thus it does not actually represent anything outside of itself.

  19. Love and experience codependent arise too Osaid
    What is the root cause of distraction? Why can't we just be?
    Nice! I'm happy for you.

    When you don't judge the "flicker", you see it as it is. It is like a breeze passing by. Perhaps it is a desire or thought that pops up, recognize the reason and intelligence for why it shows up, and then simply deduce if it is worth pursuing. Is it pointing to anything real? Slowly and naturally you will become disillusioned if you observe it like this.

    Being able to enjoy what "life is made of" without any ulterior motive is exactly what love is. To love something is to desire to be with that thing, without any other motive. When the object of desire becomes existence, rather than meaning or imagination, existence literally transforms itself into the love that you want. The taste of vanilla is literally equivalent to love, because you cannot love something without experiencing it. There is no love if there is no object to love, they are actually both the exact same thing. 

  20. Another by Water
    Is It possible to know what Consciousness literally is??
    But kidding aside, this is the Zen version of the key stage from going what some call Nonduality/Buddhism/rodents  to Enlightenment. Beginning Nonduality is still in the dream, a subtle self merged in unity with the visual field, exchanging the dual dream for the nondual dream. But still a dream. When this Unity-self gets thinner and thinner, more and more transcended (Thisdell stage 4 to Thisdell stage 5), then:
    Everything - "every vestige of self-awareness", or any subtle I-feeling/I-thought/duality (all subtle illusions) have to be seen through and transcended with automized high-speed awarenes (speed, because these illusions arise extremly fast towards the end) and familiarity (strength, because there are some very subtle "feelings" and other arisings that constitute the separate-self) with these subtle obscurations. Speed & Strength of Awareness (courtesy to Frank Yang). And that has to be done automatic, no doer/agent doing it anymore ("Nonmeditation Yoga").
    And then at the end it can really break open, in a way that can't be anticipated: You will see the Buddhas of all the universes face-to-face and the Dharma Ancestors past and present. Literally. Their essence.
    Before that stages, afterwards nowhere to go... Infinite Being.

  21. Water Explaining AWAKE
    Important! - Nobody On This Forum Is AWAKE
    Enlightenment is in most definitions defined as seeing that all appearances arise within the infinite you, being imagined by you, through you. And you are that, the Totality, Tat Tvam Asi. That includes all arisings, including the feelings and thoughts of the separate self, including memories. And of course the boat (all spiritual teachings) that carried you to the other shore, that you cast into the stream after crossing over to the other shore. They also arise just in you. Reality/True You includes every possible arising or imagined form, n+1.
    I also agree that Just experiencing or becoming Emptiness or Nothingness is not sufficient. You can experience the Godhead as state (Cessation, Nirvikalpha), and even experience yourself as Nothingness in a nondual infinite state, and it is not yet IT. Why? Because there are still a very very subtle feeling of Inviduality, of being separate, that will continue appearing in you. Even if it is just a very subtle "Nothing" watching the infinite.
    And how to get the Realization into daily life? Like, seeing the whole infinite appearance bubble arise within you in daily life? Learn to get proficient in spotting this last feeling of indviduality/separateness, and cutting them off before they fully rise up and elaborate, put You under their spell, before they get believed. A High-Speed-Search-Task for the Emptiness of the separate self arisings, as Daniel Brown once called it. And when you are fully empty (your personality is not gone, it continues working more efficient and better than ever, its just blows like the wind through the Totality that you are then), you can sustain that. Nondual, infinite, blissfull, the not so separate self or character moving in you like the wind. You realize that you have always been that Totality, before with the illusion of something separate appearing in it. 
    @Leo Gura : I am (at least in my understanding of your writings, especially the one above) very close with my definitions of these terms  to your definition on God-Realization/Enlightenment. I understand why you put so much emphasize on understanding the points you mention above, because its sooo easy to stop short, and various teachers like Jac O'Keffee or Wolinsky, Massaro (I know...), Wilber, Davidya, even Bassui a few hundred years ago.... also emphasize that a lot: Further, never stop short. It is so easy to fool yourself, and stop at Nonduality with a separate self still left and not fully seen through.
    I also like your wording of imagination more than the classic buddhist wording of "empty or empty of inherent existence", the question of BiploarGrowth. ("Could you define imaginary as “something not having inherent existence and being completely reliant on Consciousness/You to appear”?).
    So, at least in my humble opinion, the more or less only point where I put a different emphasis than you (yet, which at least in my experience, has a drastic impact wether you can carry this realization into daily life), is: This last quantum of getting totally empty of the last Individuality/separateness-arising-items arising in you, not a lense seen through, but a lense fully transcended moving in you and not seen through, which enables you to sustain this Realization sobre without pychedelics, and to get it totally unbiased of any last separate self interpreting lense.
    @Leo GuraLeo, just one question: Where is your line of kicking out people? I understand that probably most people who write in a not so  polite way or are making fun, or being ironic/sarcastic in a not so light way, or are being arrogant, are probably not writing that while being aware of their True Nature (at least while writing it, yet some may be), but are a bit annoyed by some manifestation in their visual field (which in that case happen to be your writings). So, for them, a little challenge: How about writing it being aware that Leo is actually fundamentally not different from you, and writing your message in a loving way, even if you feel the urgency of critique? Writing while not rejecting parts of your visual field (in that case, Leos message)?
    I respect you and your work (which is marvelous in so many areas). I just have a different perspective on the utmost importance of getting fully empty, seeing the separate self arisings in real time fast enough and not getting hypnotized, and to be able to carry that realization described above into everyday life, and the ensuing happiness/bliss that it brings. Utmost at least in my experience, because it made the difference on so much more happiness and bliss that has come into my life so that I can not honestly write about this topic without mentioning the experience I had with this aspect.
    Let's respectfully agree to disagree on that one point? Namaste and all the best!
    Water by the River
     

  22. The best pointer is always a statement which directly contradicts the belief(s) that the recipient of the pointer is stubbornly attached to.
    You have No Control over Reality
    @Breakingthewall
    Look my man... I think we can agree that absolute reality cannot be put into words. Right?
    This means that one pointer towards the Absolute doesn't have any more or less validity than any other pointer. So the only thing that distinguishes a "good" pointer from a "bad" one is its usefulness... and how useful a pointer is depends entirely on who it is directed at.
    Slogans like "reality is illusion", "life is a dream" or "you are God" can definitely be useful pointers for newbies who otherwise wouldn't even know where to start their awakening journey; but they stop being useful the second that the relative validity of the pointer in question has been verified and now is being mistaken for an expression of absolute truth. As soon as that happens, someone needs to step in and say "sorry pal, but that's not it".
    In other words: The best pointer is always a statement which directly contradicts the belief(s) that the recipient of the pointer is stubbornly attached to. If you believe that you are your body, then the best pointer for you is "you are not your body". If you believe that reality is made of solid matter that exists somewhere "out there", then the best pointer for you is "reality is imagination". And if you believe that you are God, then the best pointer for you will be something along the lines of "you are but an infinitesimally small part of God", "you don't exist", "you is nothing but a relative concept", you are limited (and God is not)" or whatever other combination of words you might come up with that will do the trick.
    So you see, bickering about what description of the Absolute is "objectively" the most correct one is sheer silliness. You can twist and turn it as much as you want: All statements about the absolute aspect of reality are equally false. Which is exactly why I find all of these endlessly circular discussions about the supposed "true nature" of reality so incredibly hilarious and can never quite hide my (admittedly smug) amusement about this whole absurd spiritual clown show on here... cross my heart, how anyone can read the neverending torrent of equally grandiose and grotesque bickering that this forum is constantly being flooded with with a straight face is completely beyond me. Mea culpa, I guess!

  23. We do not control even the next thought - water
    You have No Control over Reality
    One doesn't even control which thought emerges next, or its content.
    Any thought/feeling, especially I-feelings/I-thoughts/Identities happen by itself. One can not control which thought/feeling arises next. There is just the illusion-thought (also arising by itself) that one could. Which itself is a thought which "one" didn't control.
    A thought is a "universal" event triggered by causes & conditions of the totality of all form/manifestation/Infinite Being. The feeling/thinking that "I am" is just an arising happening in True Being, but not controlled by anything separate/ego.
    There are just clusters of thoughts/sensations taking owernship for other clusters of sensations (like thoughts/feelings/bodily sensations), happening and moving by itself in True Infinite Being/Reality.
    On an Absolute Level, it is that radical.
    That should be a little hint that the separate-self/individuality/ego doesn't even exist in the first place in the way one normally perceives/feels it, but is just a brilliantly made illusion.
    It is an illusion of the highest degree happening in True Infinite Being. 
    And that True Being can understand that, and realize its True Infinite Being.
     
    Selling Water by the River

  24. Solipsism explained by Water
    The importance of Suffering
    On an Absolute Level, "it" or better True You is solipsistic. Alone and infinite. True You/Infinite Being is "alone" because "it" is infinite with nothing possibly outside of it. But that is True You/True Being.
    And someone who is not enlightened doesn't (by definition) know the difference between the current identity and True Being, or else he/she would be enlightened and no longer be asking these questions...
    So talking about Solipsism and God is just counterproductive when talking with beings who have not realized their True Nature. Because they will project their ego on the concept of God or Solipsism, no other chance. First become Nothing (no separate-self), then you will be everything (Infinite Being) - Thisdell stage 4, becoming Thisdell stage 5/Enlightenment. But better not project a little separate something (illusion-separate-self) on everything (Roger Thisdell stage 3 "Godmind"). Or: I am God imagining everything. That makes Thisdell stage 3 a cul-de-sac, no way forward to stabilize Awakening in daily life and ease the suffering. Which is exactly what we see here, with a few added ETs.
    Is Infinite Being not enough? Does it need to be called God? 
    As I have written several times, I don't really like the pointer God, because it is normally loaded with other meaning on top.
    God = omnipresent, infinite, timeless/eternal/immortal, creating/manifesting/imagining the whole gig: Same for True Infinite Being. One without a second. But all the stuff projected on top of it when using the pointer God instead of Infinite Being, the one without a second, is often not for the faint of hearted. It anthropomorphizes Infinite True Being/Reality with properties and intentions that are just not there on the most fundamental level, and then proejcts it on the illusion-ego/illusion separate-self. "I am God".
    Only very few can truthfully say that, because most have not realized their True Being and can't tell the difference to ego/separate-self. And those who can say that truthfully and not fall for the illusion normally don't talk like that, because they know from their own practice it is not beneficial for beings with the ego/separate-self illusion not fully seen through. As soon as one talks like that to not enlightened beings, they almost always project the properties of True Being (or God) on themselves, their separate-identity, which they still have not seen through. Because else they would be enlightened.
    And these separate-self-identities-arisings/illusions are that which have to be cut down/transcended for Enlightenment to happen. And using the grandiose word "God" tends to blow these illusion-arising up to cosmic proportions: "I" imagine everything. No. "Your" True Being does. But what is that? What is the constant always here True Being? Here also in Deep Sleep? Before ones birth?
    And if one would fully know the difference between True Being and separate-self/ego, one wouldn't talk about these topics using pointers/concepts like God/Solipsism, because it would be all clear anyway... And one wouldn't need to state I am God and I imagine everything, because.... well...  TO WHOM? Well, I guess you get the point. At the level of Infinite Being one is alone. But there is no one there to feel alone, because that would be an anthropomorphic illusion arising of a separate-self WITHIN True Being. It just is what it is. And always has been.
    And with an enlightened being talking like that it is not necessary. Makes no sense. One sees and knows the Awakened Nondual enlightened State the "other" is in (and nobody really home), and it is clear. Imagine a discussion like: I am God! No, I am God! No, you are not! We are God! That is all illusion, starting with the words "I" and "we".
    Lot of talk of God and Solipsism happens on Thisdells stage 3 "God-stage, God-mind". Infinite Nonduality with separate-self/remaining identity/ego not fully seen through".
    It is contradictory, not stable, with lots of illusions still going on. And that is presupposing its done from real nondual states. Most of the time, its done from not nondual states, just from the conceptual level. And from there, it is more insanity than anything else. The discussion then goes like: "No, small you is not God. Big You, True Being, is. But first find out what that is before talking about God & Solipsism". And because of all these contradictions that doing that move includes, there is so much discussion here about these topics. Because it is not clear, but contradictory. Sometimes I use the pointer God, but normally it is not a good pointing/teaching tool.
     
    Ever noticed that very few enlightened teachers that are public talk about how they are God and imagining everything, and they are all alone and Solipsism and so on?  They do, if you listen between the lines or read/see enough stuff. Sometimes even explictily. Sometimes, even complete books like the Supreme Source have been written, that even got the approval by our host as God Realization.
    And these enlightened teachers normally don't talk about them being God/Solipsism. Not because they are too stupid to know what God is, and what Solipsism/Aloneness on the Absolute Level means. And they do know that all is an imagined illusion happening within "their" own Infinite Being/True Being by definition.  If they wouldn't, they wouldn't be enlightened. 
    But they don't throw that in public at a poor ego to blow it up to cosmic proportions, because that doesn't help their students going from Thisdell stage 3 to 4 to 5. It usually even prevents getting the ego stage 1 to witness stage 2 to nondual stage 3. Because to get there sobre and without psychedelics, one already has to kill/transcend the ego/separate-self quite a lot... Nothing kills sobre Awakened Nonduality better than saying to oneself: I AM GOD. A "normal" identification of I am a human so and so suffices to do that...
    And one more thing: If Nonduality (or Buddhism) gets bashed: Nonduality is NOT automatically Enlightenment, or realization of True Infinite Being/Reality. It is Thisdells stage 3 Godmind. A boundless nondual infinite field of Awareness, with a separate-self still well and alive hijacking that! And that most Buddhist are not enlightened should go without saying..
    Stage 3 Godmind. That is where one gets with psychedelics. And maybe even stage 4 a bit. But I have never seen a mainly psychedelic aficionado get to stage 5, True No Self (also nondual, but without center/separate-self-illusion, truly being the Infinite Totality/Being). Stable Nondual realization of Infinite Being in daily life. Maybe somebody knows one, would be very interested. Can't rule out that one exists, or that one wakes up just by the impulse of a psychedelic. It is just, I have never seen one. I know quite a lot that have done that with transcending/meditation of the false illusion separate self.
    So basically "Nonduality" and "Buddhism" gets bashed, because one doesn't know that stage 3 "Godmind"/Nonduality is not yet True Being or Enlightenment. Of course merely Nondual Realisation doesn't bring "God-Realization", or understanding that True Being imagines/manifests all of it, and that ones True Self is that. That is stage 5, or the link (Supreme Source) above. Or True Enlightenment.
    Psychedelics get one to Nonduality, maybe in more sophisticated cases to realizing that it is all imagined/manifested to fool "oneself". But it doesn't get oneself conforming to the impersonal infinite nondual enlightened mindstream. And that is why this "realization" is not stable in daily life. Still suffering/resisting the content of ones own True Infinite Being. "Solution": add a few ETs from higher levels of Reality, and call that higher than realizing and being ones True Infinite Being. And be proud on ones own continuing suffering/resistance towards happens within ones True Infinite Nondual Being, and declare that as inevitable. Or something like that.
    Well, quite a show Maya is dishing "us" up this time, isn't it 
    Selling God&Solipsism Water by the River
     
    The Koan still is: What is the True Being of the ET at the end, really? And that of any other ET, n+1?
     

  25. Advanced teachings we unavailable
    The importance of Suffering
    A very good and important topic to contemplate about. I also spent a long time with the topic of what causes actually Awakening, and its relationship to suffering. I tried to include as many past & present cases into my perspective on it as possible.
    On suffering in the context of Awakening, Enlightenment, the meditation path and my personal experiences (and my personal pet-theory of it all): -warning, the usual conceptual overkill of yours truly ahead-
    The following is my perspective based on what I have seen/read about other cases, and my own experiences.
    Without some form of suffering (or more precicly in Buddhist terma Dukha which means not suffering, but more unsatisfactoryness) nobody would ever start the path to Enlightenment/Awakening/Liberation/True Being, because one would be happy & satisfied doing the myriad of projects to become happy and free of suffering/unsatisfactoriness in our culture/time. Maslows pyramid up and down. What is not so well known: Even Maslow put towards the end of his life stage 6 on top of Maslows pyramid of need: (Self-)-Transcendence. So for the start of the "Enlightenment-project" (which is a contradiction in itself, but that is another story...) one needs either
    a) a mainstream-culture that pushes spiritual liberation/Awakening (and for our lifetimes, Maya goes "not today darling" on that topic, or
    b) some form of suffering or dukha (unsatisfactoriness) to start the journey.
     
    Then during the path to Awakening/Enlightenment/liberation, the old cycles of suffering/unsatisfactoriness don't stop at once. Here is how it developed for me, in a nutshell.
    The nature of the separate-self/ego to cycle between being happy for some time, then suffering/being unsatisfied/resisting what is/unhappy, then start a new project to make it happy, and round it goes. If God would write a manual to make a Samsara/Illusion game with (separate) self and others, it would go something like this: Give them some unsatisfaction and a carrot (expectation of happiness induced by a certain experience in the future), let them chase, then give them temporary happiness(=not resisting what is) and them make 'em suffer again. And given them lots of levels of carrots/games to chase and try out for permanent happiness. That is all that is needed to have a game with separate-self. The chasing goes from Maslows pyramid base stage 1 apparently up to chasing ETs n+1. Then, on an efficient path (my case Mahamudra/Dzogchen), the bliss of ones True Being (Awakenings to Nondual Awakened Awarenes) by cutting off the thought/feeling stream of the separate self in real time (also called meditation, if done correctly) starts flowing. At some point of my path (mainly Mahamudra&Dzogchen), I literally could start producing my bliss for example while meditating, walking, in meetings (at least some of them when I just could watch the show ) and so on... That normally starts after some years of meditation (on and off the pillow) when the vast spaciousness of boundless awareness starts showing up and the contractions in the head get literally relaxed. That impressed me pretty much. That bliss didn't hold with "hard" problems/really bad events in the beginning, but it started the become stronger and stronger, inducing more and more awakend nondual states of blissful silence. A positive feedback loop.  More and more facets of True Being started to show up, see my last post on the remnants of separate self that need to be seen through. Creating more and more Awakening and bliss.  At some point the shift can happen towards realizing what one really is/True Infinite Being, or Enlightenment. Since that normally implies a gradual transcendence path/process over several years that one has been fed each and any core-separte-self identity/suffering during  the meditation by Maya in the years before, pretty much all of that stuff is transcended. Because Maya will "throw" anything at you that she has to keep the illusion going, and she has a lot. But it can jump to Enlightenment any time (Karma, aka genetics but I prefer Karma, more encompassing), induced by various events, often suffering, before that path/during it/at the end of it. For most it takes the whole path. The more gradual and longer the path, the more stable is the realization later. Yet, once having realized True Being, it is no longer in doubt. So, that was my experience, now comes my theory:
    Beings are karmically wired more or less fortunately/differently. Some wake up because their visual field conforms for some reasons (base state, Kundalini-Awakening, whatever) very well to the True Nature of things (mere appearance and not solid objects out there, Infinite field of awareness, boundless, timeless, always here, basically my last long post about a mindstream conforming to the enlightened mindstream. Or at least they have the potential for that shift to happen quickly. and their core-separate-self-identity-arisings are for some reason (Karma,...) easily seen through when contemplating&self-inquiring. For these beings (1) and (2) in place, some trigger can cause Enlightenment. Suffering-example: Tolle. Kundalini/Energetic: Ramana. Anamanda Ma, countless examples in history. Branch of that is shaktipat hitting a "fertile field". Then there are the normies, like yours truly, who need an either need a) an efficient practice (like Mahamudra/Dzogchen) first to induce awakened states, then get rid of all illusion/separate-self remnants, and then some good pointing out instruction of the real state of things (the properties of True Infinite Being, basically my last long post). quite some time/years needed to start inducing awakened awareness/mere nondual appearance of the visual field via meditation/trekchö/cutting off each and any thought-arising in more and more highspeed by looking into its (empty/consciousness) nature out of which thoughts/feelings are made. Until then of course also suffering in cycles. But getting "over the hump" towards bliss-inducing state happens here in the fastest and most efficient manner, as least in the opinion of yours truly. The beginning steps of that path are also concentration meditation, like in b) below. But quite refined ones, and not for too long before one shifts practice. Learning to produce ones own bliss with being in these awakened states. This way, gradually getting rid of large parts of suffering by slowly transcending the "sufferer", and replacing misery of the separate-self with the bliss of awakened states. and then, towards the end of the road (or if one is gifted/fortunate/lucky also in the middle of the path) the shift to realizing True Being and its immortality (or infinite-always here nature), and with that removing the final fear of "death" or disappearance.  b) a practice that is less detailed and focuses more on brute-force willpower/push-through concentration meditation: Jhana, Zen, "sit and die before the wall" approaches that need to push with willpower through lots and lots of suffering. Here, we are again at lots and lots of suffering (at least at the beginning stages, but also all along the path from what I have seen), because Maya will throw everything she has at you to get you off the pillow/meditation, not that one wakes up and leaves the game prematurely...  
    And now the second part of the post, why are the paths with less/minimized suffering not practiced more widely?
    As
    @Arthogaan
    has noticed correctly in the post below, and I had the exact same thoughts many times...
    Short answer to the question above:
    they are more complex and need more maintenance/coaching/understanding. So they are more difficult to teach & multiply & roll out, and normally need personal coaching. they have mostly been kept secret until recently because of the various dangers, like for example ego-inflation, nihilistic misuse-potential, or just plain and simple misunderstanding potential of complex practices, which leads to stagnation in the practice. Why do we have mainly enlightened ones who got lucky/were lucky with karma/genetics (see above), or  from the paths 2b) Concentration meditation/Theravada/Zen?
    Because until recently the highly(!) sophisticated methods of Tibetan Buddhism like Mahamudra/Dzogchen/... (who have developed much more and way more sophisticated than for example Zen/Theravada which are very similiar to what was done in India 1000 to 2000 years ago (although I love these traditions very much) were not accessible at all.
    The Tibetans "concentrated" more on spirituality as a society, 1000 years of R&D of enlightened lineages and sometimes a large part of the adult population in the monastaries (~15%+). Head of state = Dalai Lama for a long time. Basically, main focus of that culture&society including government was Enlightenment. Of course there was also a lot of stupid things going on, like war between monasteries. But the overall development of buddhist meditation in that setting was unparalleled. Compared to that (sorry) Theravada and Zen sometimes feels a bit like "living fossils" (said in a joking way), although I like them very much and they do work quite robustly and produce fully enlightened ones.
    The Tibetan Teachings are very sophisticated and either need lots of focus on them (like reading the books of Brown 10-20 times and experimenting a lot),  or a good and enlightened teacher explaining them and checking for understanding (which pretty much didn't exist until recently, all secret teachings are out, see books of Daniel Brown. "best of" collection of Menri Trizin, selected by Menri Trizin (probably those with which he achieved his own realization) to be translated by Brown).
    Another problem is they got a deeply cultural "lingo" and quite some hyperbole (the Tantric teachings of generation/completition stages and especially the lower Tantras). Quite hard to approach.
    So the only thing not published by Brown of these systems are some of the secret pointing out instructions for Enlightenment, although quite some are published, for example his Akrid book (Pith Instructions for A Khrid rDzogs Chen. Yet, reading that in parallel to Pointing out the Great Way is probably better than starting with that book alone).
    That system plus a bit Jac O'Keffee, Roger Thisdell, Massaro, Wolinsky for the final steps towards Realization (I wrote quite a lot about these), and some psychedelics for state-peak-previews... These elements I assume will be found in the Global Dharma of the future.
    Then some more aspects:
    Concentration Meditation Systems like Zen or Jhana/Theravada are quite robust: Don't need so much teaching/feedback during the process, are more brute-force and less complex. More robust, less efficient (in the meaning that one needs to push through suffering with meditation, and that they can be slower/less pleasant, and many meditators end in the many cul-de-sacs of the path where one can just stagnate if certain nuances are not understood. But done long &hard enough they work. Metaphor: The axe to cut down a tree. Doesnt need fuel & maintenance & sophisticated handling like a forst harvester.... which brings us to: The Forsest harvester to cut down the forst of Illusion: Mahamudra&Dzogchen&other Tibetan Buddhism techniques, see for example Daniel Browns books & videos: can work if done correctly/understood correctly/coached correctly in  the fastest way possible by swiftly creating Awakened Nondual States most pleasant way possible (minimum amount of pushing through suffering on/off meditation pillow, taking the meditation off the pillow into daily life at the earliest possible point. avoiding pretty much all cul-de-sacs of the path where meditation practice can stagnate/level out if something is not done correctly, which means and end to the growth of Awakened Nondual States. Mostly they don't even appear then in first place, and one remains in the mericless claws of the separate-self-contraction/suffering. but are way more complex than the standard concentration meditation practice like Zen/Jhana. Pointing out the Great Way, Brown has hundreds of pages of descriptions of the various stages/steps and how the path develops through them. So  many many things to potentially do wrong if something is understood incorrectly. Zen-Koan-meditation would just push through these errors if done long enough, but an incorrectly done Nonmeditation (done too early) or One Taste meditation goes nowhere and stagnates...  
    Selling Water by the River